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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tyrannis on January 18, 2011, 02:03:05 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110117/wl_asia_afp/japansciencemammoth_20110117104445
think they can pull it off? i hope so just because im a huge dinosaur fan. if they can pull off cloning a mammoth, it may just get down to dinosaurs, then imagine a real world jurrasic park :O
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They have mammoth DNA and that's all it takes to create a clone, so why not? Was wondering how long it was going to take for them to do this..
:aok
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They have mammoth DNA and that's all it takes to create a clone, so why not? Was wondering how long it was going to take for them to do this..
:aok
if it works tho, what next? release them into the wild? cant put them in africa, they'd die from the heat with all that fur. cant release them back into north america, they'd rampage farms etc. canada maybe? or maybe iceland/greenland/ireland can have a small population of them. thats kind of the closest we'll get to there natural climate habitat. maybe russia too.
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if it works tho, what next? release them into the wild? cant put them in africa, they'd die from the heat with all that fur. cant release them back into north america, they'd rampage farms etc. canada maybe? or maybe iceland/greenland/ireland can have a small population of them. thats kind of the closest we'll get to there natural climate habitat. maybe russia too.
:huh Canada Is part of north america, and we probably have more farms then you do in the states, keep your freak cloned hairy elefants to yourselfs
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if it works tho, what next? release them into the wild? cant put them in africa, they'd die from the heat with all that fur. cant release them back into north america, they'd rampage farms etc. canada maybe? or maybe iceland/greenland/ireland can have a small population of them. thats kind of the closest we'll get to there natural climate habitat. maybe russia too.
Oh yeah, can't put them in Africa cos of 'the heat'...screw the African farmers :lol
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:huh Canada Is part of north america, and we probably have more farms then you do in the states, keep your freak cloned hairy elefants to yourselfs
:rofl Too funny...
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next thing ya know. We're going to have pterodactyls flying around wild. Be my luck, one of them would pooh right as it passed over me.
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...if its furry and soft, i'm sure my 4 year old daughter wants to have one for Christmas!
she likes Dinos anyway ;)
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why??
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I'm thinking Mammoth Jerky. :x
Oh yeah, can't put them in Africa cos of 'the heat'...screw the African farmers :lol
:rofl
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next thing ya know. We're going to have pterodactyls flying around wild. Be my luck, one of them would pooh right as it passed over me.
I'd pay good money to see that ;)
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I'm thinking Mammoth Jerky. :x
:rofl
You've been reading my mind :rock
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Interesting find. Sooner or later, though, we'll be cloning ourselves. Just imagine the controversy with that. Humans playing "God".
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Jeff Goldblum is not going to like this. :uhoh
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if it works tho, what next? release them into the wild? cant put them in africa, they'd die from the heat with all that fur. cant release them back into north america, they'd rampage farms etc. canada maybe? or maybe iceland/greenland/ireland can have a small population of them. thats kind of the closest we'll get to there natural climate habitat. maybe russia too.
Or a zoo?
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Or a zoo?
does seem fair to the animal to bring it back from extinction just to force it to live in captivity.
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not existing is hardly better than any form of life, even captivity :)
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What this really means for the Southern red neck crowd is.....just another hunt'n season. Hooooyaaahhhh
haha :banana:
Boo
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What this really means for the Southern red neck crowd is.....just another hunt'n season. Hooooyaaahhhh
haha :banana:
Boo
this type of attitude is why they went extinct in the first place.
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Interesting find. Sooner or later, though, we'll be cloning ourselves. Just imagine the controversy with that. Humans playing "God".
didn't you see a film with ewan McGregor and scarlett johansson :O? where they kept all the human clones in a facility and when the real world you needed a new lung/kidney/ arm etc they would just hack it off the clone.
another thought I wonder how much a scarlett johansson clone would cost to keep in the basement :cheers: :banana:
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There are plenty of mammoth sites in NE Siberia where it almost seems the animals were "flash frozen" somehow. Back in the early 1970's scientists said that they had been frozen so quickly that the meats was indeed edible. :uhoh
It would be cool to replicate them via DNA and see how they interact, etc.
It would be wild to see if they did, if the animal would exibit the same instincts, fears, food preferences, etc. that it did millennia ago.
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There are plenty of mammoth sites in NE Siberia where it almost seems the animals were "flash frozen" somehow. Back in the early 1970's scientists said that they had been frozen so quickly that the meats was indeed edible. :uhoh
It would be cool to replicate them via DNA and see how they interact, etc.
It would be wild to see if they did, if the animal would exibit the same instincts, fears, food preferences, etc. that it did millennia ago.
did you read the link provided? it clearly says that they would be extracting dna from those mammoths frozon on russian labs,etc but i wonder how the mammoths got there in the first place, i allways concidered them north american animals.(unless they crossed over to russia from alaska, of course.
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Oh yeah, can't put them in Africa cos of 'the heat'...screw the African farmers :lol
Im offended no one picked up on this joke. This is funny.
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did you read the link provided? it clearly says that they would be extracting dna from those mammoths frozon on russian labs,etc but i wonder how the mammoths got there in the first place, i allways concidered them north american animals.(unless they crossed over to russia from alaska, of course.
Same way Eskimos live in Siberia and Northern Canada/Alaska...
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This could bring a negative impact to the ecosystem and the animal. Reintroducing a +5,000 year old extinct animal may not survived with today climate, let alone, fighting off the diseases that it's body is not immune too. Another issue that can be a problem is the vegetation to support it. Dose it forage on C3 or C4 plants? What is the vegetation composed as far as nutrient, minerals, and will today vegetation have any fungus/chemical that can do more harm the the mammoth?
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Same way Eskimos live in Siberia and Northern Canada/Alaska...
waset that because of the icebridge that extended from russia to alaska? as i stated.
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I'd say they would be released into Canada, Iceland, Greenland, Northern Siberia and maybe even experiment and put some in the Hilamalayas. That would be my guess. But to have a living, thriving population of an animal which went extinct tens of thousands of years ago with no natural predators, might pose a problem. Sure, in Canada, you may have bears and wolves and all sorts of other goodies, but the truth is that the only way to really regulate their numbers would be to have a hunting season, whether you like it or not (unless bears prove to be a formidable foe to the mammoths). I see they being released into the wild if it goes according to plan, not just stuck in a zoo. Is there even food for them anymore? Can we bring saber-toothed tigers back as well? Saber-toothed cats? Giant sloths? Early horses?
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I'd say they would be released into Canada, Iceland, Greenland, Northern Siberia and maybe even experiment and put some in the Hilamalayas. That would be my guess. But to have a living, thriving population of an animal which went extinct tens of thousands of years ago with no natural predators, might pose a problem. Sure, in Canada, you may have bears and wolves and all sorts of other goodies, but the truth is that the only way to really regulate their numbers would be to have a hunting season, whether you like it or not (unless bears prove to be a formidable foe to the mammoths). I see they being released into the wild if it goes according to plan, not just stuck in a zoo. Is there even food for them anymore? Can we bring saber-toothed tigers back as well? Saber-toothed cats? Giant sloths? Early horses?
clone some T.rexes then release them into the wild,that'll solve your "predator" problem :aok :lol
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...if its furry and soft, i'm sure my 4 year old daughter wants to have one for Christmas!
she likes Dinos anyway ;)
Are you sure you know what a mastodon is? It's about the size of an elephant, this isn't some teddy bear we're talking about here.
-Penguin
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Are you sure you know what a mastodon is? It's about the size of an elephant, this isn't some teddy bear we're talking about here.
-Penguin
BIGGER!! i find mastadon fossils on occasion. worth some money if u find a big chunk of it. what kinda dufusy scientists r in china anyway :huh
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Are you sure you know what a mastodon is? It's about the size of an elephant, this isn't some teddy bear we're talking about here.
-Penguin
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/Wooly_Mammoth-RBC.jpg)
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BIGGER!! i find mastadon fossils on occasion. worth some money if u find a big chunk of it. what kinda dufusy scientists r in china anyway :huh
japan.
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(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/Wooly_Mammoth-RBC.jpg)
That looks about right.
-Penguin
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That looks about right.
-Penguin
imagine the power in that trunk. scary powerful.
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He looks a little like Ray Romano
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imagine the power in that trunk. scary powerful.
My point exactly.
-Penguin
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Mamonths n Mastodons could get up 16 feet tall and weight 12 tons.
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My point exactly.
-Penguin
could probally crush a lion/tiger. constrict them like a python does.
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Clone 5000 of them and drop them off in Afghanistan and N. Korea Operation Dumbo Drop style....
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could probally crush a lion/tiger. constrict them like a python does.
I agree completely.
-Penguin
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My plan:
Open up a vast mammoth reserve up north. For a mere $10,000 each, you and your friends can be released onto the grounds with nothing but a few sharpened sticks. Kill it, and enjoy your bounty!
I'd do it...
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It's kinda scary..... lol...Would be pretty sweet to go see a jurrasic park....I want to go to the petting zoo :devil
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Yes! What could be more fun that 20x 3ft tall Velociraptors and a pack of larger Dienonychus roaming the countryside? Sounds like fun. And if you say "animals will not migrate, they simply can't." Imagine this... How did the mongoose appear on Hawai'i? How did the Japanese Bettle find the U.S.? Mammoths and Mastodons is as far as I'd take it. Dinos? No.
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Yes! What could be more fun that 20x 3ft tall Velociraptors and a pack of larger Dienonychus roaming the countryside? Sounds like fun. And if you say "animals will not migrate, they simply can't." Imagine this... How did the mongoose appear on Hawai'i? How did the Japanese Bettle find the U.S.? Mammoths and Mastodons is as far as I'd take it. Dinos? No.
shut up. do not discourage the chances of me one day having a pet t.rex. i shall fufill my childhood dream :cry
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didn't you see a film with ewan McGregor and scarlett johansson :O? where they kept all the human clones in a facility and when the real world you needed a new lung/kidney/ arm etc they would just hack it off the clone.
another thought I wonder how much a scarlett johansson clone would cost to keep in the basement :cheers: :banana:
No I didn't! What is that movie you speak of?
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You have READ Jurassic Park I presume? Watching the movie doesn't count. If you have read it, then I suppose you know where I'm going with this. Your childhood dream (current dream?) will never come to pass.
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You have READ Jurassic Park I presume? Watching the movie doesn't count. If you have read it, then I suppose you know where I'm going with this. Your childhood dream (current dream?) will never come to pass.
ive read some of jurrasic park and all of the lost world.
jurrasic park was written in the 80s, 30yrs ago.
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this type of attitude is why they went extinct in the first place.
:huh
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:huh
incase you dont know, mammoths were hunting to extinction by humans. thats why i said what i said. :rolleyes:
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incase you dont know, mammoths were hunting to extinction by humans. thats why i said what i said. :rolleyes:
Yes, but you obviously don't grasp the current-day standards for hunting. We aren't Neanderthals and we don't hunt purely for survival or with little wooden sticks and pointy rocks.
ive read some of jurrasic park and all of the lost world.
jurrasic park was written in the 80s, 30yrs ago.
It has a Universal Theme, you cannot play God and expect to win 100% of the time.
Let's bring back a microbe from the Late Cretaceous Period and experiment with it. Oops, what's that you say? The microbe got loose? It is spread by air and is highly infectious? It is killing 9/10 of the people it comes into contact with? Well darn! I sure hate that I played God.
You can't always expect to win. That's all I'm saying.
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:huh
Just let it go, Slash. I had the same reaction. :cheers:
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No I didn't! What is that movie you speak of?
The Island
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This could bring a negative impact to the ecosystem and the animal. Reintroducing a +5,000 year old extinct animal may not survived with today climate, let alone, fighting off the diseases that it's body is not immune too. Another issue that can be a problem is the vegetation to support it. Dose it forage on C3 or C4 plants? What is the vegetation composed as far as nutrient, minerals, and will today vegetation have any fungus/chemical that can do more harm the the mammoth?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene_Park
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8983461/ns/technology_and_science-science/
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5124/5369195806_9df2a55fbf_o.gif) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5125/5369195824_206af43856_o.gif)
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Yes, but you obviously don't grasp the current-day standards for hunting. We aren't Neanderthals and we don't hunt purely for survival or with little wooden sticks and pointy rocks.
It has a Universal Theme, you cannot play God and expect to win 100% of the time.
Let's bring back a microbe from the Late Cretaceous Period and experiment with it. Oops, what's that you say? The microbe got loose? It is spread by air and is highly infectious? It is killing 9/10 of the people it comes into contact with? Well darn! I sure hate that I played God.
You can't always expect to win. That's all I'm saying.
i know we arent neanderthals, i just ment that it seems morally cruel to bring back a creature we had allready hunted to extinction, just so we can add insult to injury by hunting it even more.
and yes, i grasp the concept of "playing god". but who knows? maybe we could pull it off, maybe we cant. but isent that pretty much how science has worked in the past?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene_Park
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8983461/ns/technology_and_science-science/
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5124/5369195806_9df2a55fbf_o.gif) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5125/5369195824_206af43856_o.gif)
:rofl ahhahahahaha!!! run for the hills!! err water/ocean i mean.?! :headscratch:
hahaha
<S> greens
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:huh
Don't, just don't. Back away and stop reading his posts. Your IQ drops per letter read.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene_Park
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8983461/ns/technology_and_science-science/
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5124/5369195806_9df2a55fbf_o.gif) (http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5125/5369195824_206af43856_o.gif)
OK, What about the diseases that are among today's wildlife. Will the mammoth be immune to them? mostly likely not.
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OK, What about the diseases that are among today's wildlife. Will the mammoth be immune to them? mostly likely not.
Like Dichotomy said... "Mammoth Jerky"
mmm mmm mmm
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OK, What about the diseases that are among today's wildlife. Will the mammoth be immune to them? mostly likely not.
100% immunity is not something we are born with, we rely on our mothers immune system as a basis and build on it as we encounter new threats during our life. I think the mammoth clone would have exactly the same immune system as the DNA it was created from, then very quickly it would build new immunities to whatever we have floating around these days.
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100% immunity is not something we are born with, we rely on our mothers immune system as a basis and build on it as we encounter new threats during our life. I think the mammoth clone would have exactly the same immune system as the DNA it was created from, then very quickly it would build new immunities to whatever we have floating around these days.
well, the way they plan on having it done is having a real elephant give birth to it, so would it also build off that elephants immune system aswell?
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100% immunity is not something we are born with, we rely on our mothers immune system as a basis and build on it as we encounter new threats during our life. I think the mammoth clone would have exactly the same immune system as the DNA it was created from, then very quickly it would build new immunities to whatever we have floating around these days.
Or we could vaccinate them.
With a solution of brine, Worcestershire Sauce, garlic, onions, ........
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100% immunity is not something we are born with, we rely on our mothers immune system as a basis and build on it as we encounter new threats during our life. I think the mammoth clone would have exactly the same immune system as the DNA it was created from, then very quickly it would build new immunities to whatever we have floating around these days.
That true, but today diseases, the mammoth DNA may not fight off. case examples, anthrax that can sicken wildlife and livestock. the elk/bison disease that ramped the area of Yellowstone in 1990s, and the wild horse/mule that passes disease to the desert bighorn sheep and antelope. despite these are small occurrence, most of the animals where able to fight them off easily because they have been exposed to them at a low level and DNA passing on to the next generation.
The mammonth case, they may not have that DNA to bare off the disease. Also, their DNA may not have the ability to fight off today disease that have a more complex defensive system to kill its host.
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well, the way they plan on having it done is having a real elephant give birth to it, so would it also build off that elephants immune system aswell?
I think so, because at least some immunities are passed to the feotus directly from the mother via the umbilical cord, if I am remembering that correctly.
Or we could vaccinate them.
With a solution of brine, Worcestershire Sauce, garlic, onions, ........
*drools*
I've heard grilling things helps build up immunity, its for the mammoth's own good. Once it is grilled and 'vaccinated' as you mention, the mammoth would never get sick again.
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That true, but today diseases, the mammoth DNA may not fight off. case examples, anthrax that can sicken wildlife and livestock. the elk/bison disease that ramped the area of Yellowstone in 1990s, and the wild horse/mule that passes disease to the desert bighorn sheep and antelope. despite these are small occurrence, most of the animals where able to fight them off easily because they have been exposed to them at a low level and DNA passing on to the next generation.
The mammonth case, they may not have that DNA to bare off the disease. Also, their DNA may not have the ability to fight off today disease that have a more complex defensive system to kill its host.
Then the mammoth only faces the same risks all naturaly living creatures do. I still think a mammoth would chose a sickly life in captivity than total non-existence. Unfortunately seeing as we can only find out how happy a mammoth would be alive is to do it. We can't very well ask something that does not exist how it feels.
If it turns out the mammoth is not happy with life, and would have prefered to never exist at all, Vonmessa and I are going to eat it. Everyone is happy.
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Then the mammoth only faces the same risks all naturaly living creatures do. I still think a mammoth would chose a sickly life in captivity than total non-existence. Unfortunately seeing as we can only find out how happy a mammoth would be alive is to do it. We can't very well ask something that does not exist how it feels.
If it turns out the mammoth is not happy with life, and would have prefered to never exist at all, Vonmessa and I are going to eat it. Everyone is happy.
I agreed too. Wounder how it taste?
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Like pork i expect! Mammoth bacon....
Does raise the question though....how smart are mammoths? Elephants are too smart to be considered live stock. Eating mammoth might just be a crime against intelligent life. (much like eating pigs is)
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Like pork i expect! Mammoth bacon....
Does raise the question though....how smart are mammoths? Elephants are too smart to be considered live stock. Eating mammoth might just be a crime against intelligent life. (much like eating pigs is)
it would be a crime wether they were smart or not. bringing an animal we had hunted to extinction back from the grave just we could hunt it some more. that to me seems like its "playing god"
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it would be a crime wether they were smart or not. bringing an animal we had hunted to extinction back from the grave just we could hunt it some more. that to me seems like its "playing god"
Na, it's like a mulligan. We hunted it out, our bad, we'll bring it back. I promise we'll keep this one alive. :pray
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Not even cloned yet and people are thinking about what it taste like. :rofl
I my self am one of them. If early humans hunted them to extinction they must have been good.
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Only remotely related... Me like mammoth! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb0ef6NhY74) :D
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Fast forward to the future when mammoths are reintroduced as wild animals in America to their former ranges....
(SFX: Telephone Rings X3)
(Female Voice) "Meade County Kansas Non-Emergency, how can I help you?"
(Muffled Voice on Phone) "mumblemumblemumble...on highway 4....mumbmemumble, it's pretty extensive..."
(Female Voice) "Well sir, thank you for the heads-up and we'll send someone out as quick as we can."
(SFX: Hangs Up Phone)
(SFX: Radio Squelch Tail, then silence)
(Female Voice) "Base to 114 and 121"
(Male Voice on Radio) "114"
(2nd Male Voice on Radio) "121"
(Female Voice) "Yeah, we need you both of you over to Highway 4 across from where the Kellermann Silos used to be for another "Code Brown"
(Male Voice on Radio) 114....copy that....121 do you still have the snowplow on your truck?"
(2nd Male Voice) "121...that's a 10-4...how big this time?"
(Female Voice) "Well it's blocking the entire Eastbound lane"
(2nd Male Voice on Radio) "121...10-4... ah well...I AM the county "Mammoth Meadow Muffin' Mover..."
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I agreed too. Wounder how it taste?
Just like.........
CHICKEN.........silly!
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it would be a crime wether they were smart or not. bringing an animal we had hunted to extinction back from the grave just we could hunt it some more. that to me seems like its "playing god"
Sounds more like...... Lunch :x
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Not even cloned yet and people are thinking about what it taste like. :rofl
I my self am one of them. If early humans hunted them to extinction they must have been good.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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personaly I think this is just humans playing with something they have no business messing with, once they start to clone humans(if they havnt done it allready, which I believe they have) they will say this is proof God doesnt exist, they will extend human life to hundreds of years, and make you take on a microchip so they "Know" who you are......dont believe them, once this age is over, the next age is permanent . And trust me, a place with no love is not gonna be a good or fun place.....forever....
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personaly I think this is just humans playing with something they have no business messing with, once they start to clone humans(if they havnt done it allready, which I believe they have) they will say this is proof God doesnt exist, they will extend human life to hundreds of years, and make you take on a microchip so they "Know" who you are......dont believe them, once this age is over, the next age is permanent . And trust me, a place with no love is not gonna be a good or fun place.....forever....
there is alot of other prove that points to god existing and not existing. but lets not turn this into a religious argument.
yes, i agree with you aswell, i believe humans have been cloned before in the past in secret.
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I'd pay a few bucks for a mammoth burger, no question about it. I tried buffalo burgers on a whim and it turned out to be very tasty. Mammoth might taste pretty good too, but we'll never know until we grow one and throw it on the grill.
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No religious topics allowed ;-) but ya I absolutly believe they have cloned people allready, I watched this scientist talking about extending life, and cloning our selves, so when a person gets a disease, they will remove the diseased cells and replace them with the cloned ones, his exact words were "we are going to make death obsolete" pretty messed up.
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personaly I think this is just humans playing with something they have no business messing with, once they start to clone humans(if they havnt done it allready, which I believe they have) they will say this is proof God doesnt exist, they will extend human life to hundreds of years, and make you take on a microchip so they "Know" who you are......dont believe them, once this age is over, the next age is permanent . And trust me, a place with no love is not gonna be a good or fun place.....forever....
No religious topics on here, firstly, but that seems like a very sweeping argument. Back it up, and maybe we'll believe you.
-Penguin
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No religious topics allowed ;-) but ya I absolutly believe they have cloned people allready, I watched this scientist talking about extending life, and cloning our selves, so when a person gets a disease, they will remove the diseased cells and replace them with the cloned ones, his exact words were "we are going to make death obsolete" pretty messed up.
making death obsolete would be the worst thing we could ever do.
i mean no disrespect to victims or anyone else by saying this, but life-threatening diseases etc are how nature keeps the human population in check.aids,cancer, etc. HORRIBLE diseases but nessasary for life. imagine if there was no way for us to die? how fast the world would become overpopulated. we would pretty much wreck the world trying to make room for us all, or become like china adopting the 1 girl 1 boy policy.
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I liked talking about what a mammoth might taste like. You guys are getting deep.
I already have thoughts of mammoth bacon and mammoth brisket.
Maybe we could get a grant or something do this thing right.
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this type of attitude is why they went extinct in the first place.
The mastodon became extinct after the ice age that allowed it to flourish reversed itself and ithe animals' native habitats became more temperate, and therefore unsurvivable for the highly developed animal. The radical change in climate killed off massive numbers, and whatever number claimed by early man is insignificant. Secondly, early man hunted for survival, not for sport, so it is not this view that caused the species' demise.
Careful, your ignorance is showing.
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making death obsolete would be the worst thing we could ever do.
i mean no disrespect to victims or anyone else by saying this, but life-threatening diseases etc are how nature keeps the human population in check.aids,cancer, etc. HORRIBLE diseases but nessasary for life. imagine if there was no way for us to die? how fast the world would become overpopulated. we would pretty much wreck the world trying to make room for us all, or become like china adopting the 1 girl 1 boy policy.
By analyzing several occurrences of overpopulation in earlier histories, we can see that overpopulation swiftly leads back to a much more sustainable number. Whether it be war, famine, disease, or disaster, the population always regresses back to an ideal level.
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Where would bacon come off of a mammoth?
I'm also wondering how many people you could feed with a rack of mammoth ribs, but somewhat concerned with how it would be served. Would you have to cut it crosswise and then serve on a platter? Or admit defeat and remove from the bone before serving? Or maybe just slow cook it for a day or two, then slap one down lengthwise on a big table and let everyone pick off of it with a fork and knife? The flintstones showed how it could be done at a drive-through, but that must have been baby back mammoth ribs to be able to fit a whole rack on one tray...
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its not gonna get to that point, we are gonna destroy ourselves before it ever becomes so overpopulated, not every one is gonna die but I see 2/3 of the world are gonna be toast, if not by our own hands then by a "natural" occurence, but I think its prolly gonna be by our own hands. Penguin~there is nothing I can say here that will not break the "religious rule" pm me if you would like to talk further.
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The mastodon became extinct after the ice age that allowed it to flourish reversed itself and ithe animals' native habitats became more temperate, and therefore unsurvivable for the highly developed animal. The radical change in climate killed off massive numbers, and whatever number claimed by early man is insignificant. Secondly, early man hunted for survival, not for sport, so it is not this view that caused the species' demise.
Careful, your ignorance is showing.
baron, im not going to take your word for it just because its YOUR word.
link or your just as ignorant as you say i am.
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The mastodon became extinct after the ice age that allowed it to flourish reversed itself and ithe animals' native habitats became more temperate, and therefore unsurvivable for the highly developed animal. The radical change in climate killed off massive numbers, and whatever number claimed by early man is insignificant. Secondly, early man hunted for survival, not for sport, so it is not this view that caused the species' demise.
Careful, your ignorance is showing.
This is a theory my friend they do not know for sure why they became extinct.
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personaly I think this is just humans playing with something they have no business messing with, once they start to clone humans(if they havnt done it allready, which I believe they have) they will say this is proof God doesnt exist, they will extend human life to hundreds of years, and make you take on a microchip so they "Know" who you are......dont believe them, once this age is over, the next age is permanent . And trust me, a place with no love is not gonna be a good or fun place.....forever....
Immortality (http://www.sens.org/)
On "Messing with nature"
Nature has set no term to the perfection of human faculties; that the perfectibility of man is truly indefinite; and that the progress of this perfectibility, from now onwards independent of any power that might wish to halt it, has no other limit than the duration of the globe upon which nature has cast us. This progress will doubtless vary in speed, but it will never be reversed as long as the earth occupies its present place in the system of the universe, and as long as the general laws of this system produce neither a general cataclysm nor such changes as will deprive the human race of its present faculties and its present resources.
- Marquis de Condorcet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_de_Condorcet)
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I so want to continue this discussion moot.....but dont want the ban stick to come down on me:-(
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Where would bacon come off of a mammoth?
I'm also wondering how many people you could feed with a rack of mammoth ribs, but somewhat concerned with how it would be served. Would you have to cut it crosswise and then serve on a platter? Or admit defeat and remove from the bone before serving? Or maybe just slow cook it for a day or two, then slap one down lengthwise on a big table and let everyone pick off of it with a fork and knife? The flintstones showed how it could be done at a drive-through, but that must have been baby back mammoth ribs to be able to fit a whole rack on one tray...
Pigs are vaguely related to elephants, and mammoths! It wishfull thinking, lets wish for mammoth bacon.
The Flintstones had technology we could never dream of, there are alot fo thing we will never understand about them, such as how their feet could produce enough horse power to drive a car made mostly of rock. Their genius is sadly lost in time.
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Bat~oh man thats to funny....as0soon as I started reading I got the picture in my head of the rib platter from flitstones lol
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I'd lay money that Rox has a great mammoth recipe :D
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Like Dichotomy said... "Mammoth Jerky"
mmm mmm mmm
He didn't say that.
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He didn't say that.
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Oops, sorry. :D
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iceland/greenland/ireland can have a small population of them. thats kind of the closest we'll get to there natural climate habitat. maybe russia too.
Ireland ? ... :huh ... I take it you have never been to Ireland.
I can just see herds of Mammoths lazily roaming the Irish countryside villages amongst all the sheep :rofl. Hey ... maybe they could domesticate them and harvest the wool. I can truly visualize herds of Mammoths with colored die spots on their sides all fenced in those stone walled fields with sheep dogs herding them to the next field or down an Irish country road.
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Pigs are vaguely related to elephants, and mammoths! It wishfull thinking, lets wish for mammoth bacon.
The Flintstones had technology we could never dream of, there are alot fo thing we will never understand about them, such as how their feet could produce enough horse power to drive a car made mostly of rock. Their genius is sadly lost in time.
Never mind the strength of one's legs and feet to stop that rock car ... :rofl
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Immortality (http://www.sens.org/)
On "Messing with nature"- Marquis de Condorcet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_de_Condorcet)
Hey moot ... long time ... love the new avatar !!! :D
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seems not everything is as it appears :noid
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110120/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_russia_mammoth_confiscation
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Or we could vaccinate them.
With a solution of brine, Worcestershire Sauce, garlic, onions, ........
:rofl ... absolutely brilliant !!! I'm crying I'm laughing so hard.
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Man messes with nature everyday; this is just an example that the media has decided will get you excited.
This particular instance isn't likely to ever expand enough to matter. They're not going to be released, let a lone "reintroduced" anywhere. Best case, they end up making someone a load of money in a pay-per-view venue (zoo).
If there's a danger here, it's in what man will learn. Or maybe, in what he already knows.
Much of your food is already genetically engineered or altered, willfully or accidentally, by man. Look at a farm... How much land is devoted to agriculture? How much of what's grown is "naturally-occurring" in the form that we now see as "normal". Ever seen a wild cornstalk? Or tomato plant? Does it matter that so much of the globe is covered with non-native, human-altered organisms? Even our animals are altered. Dogs didn't start out the way they are now... They were created by man. Cows, pigs, goldfish...
Beyond that, our actions move naturally-occurring organisms into ecosystems where they don't belong. Carp (several kinds), Zebra Mussels, pheasants, starlings, horses, to name a few.
What about disease engineering?
There's real damage being done every second by man. If you want to worry about something, there's plenty out there. I wouldn't get too excited about a mammoth. I'd be excited about what he did to learn enough to make a mammoth, or what he learns as a result.
The sick thing about it is that we all benefit as a result of this type of thing... We're addicted to it, and couldn't stop it if we tried.
This type of "tinkering" is why my daughter didn't die from her liver problems at 2 months of age, or from her brain problems at age five. It's why I didn't die from something as simple as a burst appendix last fall. It's why our population has exploded. It's why we don't die in large numbers during severe winters, or in greater numbers from the flu, or from measles.
It's not fair that they might live in captivity if they're cloned??? Seriously? Life isn't fair. It was never intended to be (not a religious statement, it can be read both ways). Fairness is a human concept. To make life fair would be going against nature.
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Mtnman, you forgot Didymo. Zebra Mussels, Asian Carp and didymo are big here in KY. That isn't even considering things in other parts of the nation: Snakehead, Japanese Beetle, Honeysuckle, etc. I'll agree with you, we do already have problems.
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Mtnman, you forgot Didymo. Zebra Mussels, Asian Carp and didymo are big here in KY. That isn't even considering things in other parts of the nation: Snakehead, Japanese Beetle, Honeysuckle, etc. I'll agree with you, we do already have problems.
I remembered it, and the others. I deleted them because when I had them all listed I surpassed to 10,000 character posting limit :D
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Jumpin' jiminy!
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Definitely too many invasive species to count. Mongeese in Hawai'i?
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Definitely too many invasive species to count. Mongeese in Hawai'i?
I wonder if we could go so far as to list "humans outside of africa"?
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Make a whole herd of millions of 'em ...
and serve meh a MacMammoth .. :aok
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When they clone the Mammoth can we still use the word Mammoth as a word to describe size? Example "That car is Mammoth" or "Thats Mammoth" does it become too confusing because there are mammoths that are alive? This of course is all hypothetical since they have yet to clone it.
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Only remotely related... Me like mammoth! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb0ef6NhY74) :D
thats the first thing I though of when I read the topic, "oo li mammo?" :lol
btw weird human cloning experiments are already being done in the US:
American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains.
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Quote from: Christine O'Donnell
American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains.
Pinky?
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Pinky?
NORF!!!
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NORF!!!
I believe that is Narf, you nincompoop. :D
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I believe that is Narf, you nincompoop. :D
Your right! Lol! It's been awhile since I've seen it!
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What's up Slapshot :)