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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: ink on January 19, 2011, 09:08:46 PM
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first off I want to say awesome game im a dedacated customer of yours and will always be. A topic in the Oclub touches on serious issues, but I cant get into it, can we have a "Oclub" just for religious and political topics? If it was just for those topics then those visiting it would know what to expect, many people I feel would go there, I thinkthese issues are very important and we could use a place to discuss them.
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EDIT: No offense Sir, I just know how this is going to end. And it won't be nice. :salute
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so are you for or against?
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I dont see why this is a bad idea I for one think it would be interesting to discuss my stance on politics and religon with others in the community
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It only leads to division and hatred among the community, that's why a lot/most boards ban political discussion if it's not the the original point of the board.
The O'Club was pretty much all political trolling by the time political discussion was banned, to the point where it drowned out other discussion.
In any case, past the first two or three times something's discussed, it just turns into mudslinging and ad hominem without any meaningful discussion.
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Ink, I know your not a fan of the place but Nuke set up FW just for that reason. It's the internet and if someone gets your goat there just let it be water off a ducks back or "Lob some vitriol back" a lot of your squaddies visit the place and its also very good for a laugh.
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Me thinks they gonna say no.. IN the morning..
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Theres a whole forum dedicated just to this INK its called flamewarriors.net and it was created to spite this forum.
Bunch of blowhards
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Theres a whole forum dedicated just to this INK its called flamewarriors.net and it was created to spite this forum.
Bunch of blowhards
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You really are absolutely clueless. Created to spite this forum, lol!
ack-ack
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Ack-Ack is a member Of this forum I presume....you know all they do is try to one up eachother with (tough talk) and post naked pictures for eachother.
Sounds like a internet circle j*rk
Belial-Belial ;)
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I think it might be far more trouble than it's worth.
so are you for or against?
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motherland~if it was just for that, religion, politics, then that would be for those who want to discuss that and like any of the other area on the BBS if someone got insultive they will be banned or whatever, I think pretty highly of a lot of guys here(even the ones that aggravate me:-) and I know we could have some good convo's. FW is just that, not my cup of tea....Im not gonna say anything bad about FW's. I truly enjoy this game very much and this board, its like a bar or resturant were you go hangout with friends, I dont know.....I think it would be a good thing, think of any topic it almost always can lead to religon/politics so if there was a thread that went in that direction it could be carried over to the "R/P" area.
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Ink, you're my bud. But, I cant go with ya on this one. It would be a free for all in there. Spiritual and political views never end on a peaceful note.
Sorry bro -1
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You really are absolutely clueless. Created to spite this forum, lol!
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Wow, you were late Ack-Ack, you never take that long to shoot someones opinion down.
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bugged that my lyrics were skuzzified because it mentioned a little about power and life and understanding. didnt think that it would go rule 14 on me but it did. for that i +1
buttttt..... like people said, it would turn this game into something that would destroy a fun game and hatred and anger would run amock. for that i -2...
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I'm religious, let me get that out. Now, knowing how many different people here have different views, I can see nothing but arguments coming from a religious and or political forum. I think a good discussion is healthy at times, but have you read this board? Some come here to grief and nothing more. And it would be hard to discuss something that you so strongly believe in with someone who believes the opposite. Wars have been started that way. I think you did the right thing by asking for it on the wishlist, but I think of all the forums, that one would need the most moderation and Skuzzys overwhelmed as it is.
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I'm religious, let me get that out. Now, knowing how many different people here have different views, I can see nothing but arguments coming from a religious and or political forum. I think a good discussion is healthy at times, but have you read this board? Some come here to grief and nothing more. And it would be hard to discuss something that you so strongly believe in with someone who believes the opposite. Wars have been started that way. I think you did the right thing by asking for it on the wishlist, but I think of all the forums, that one would need the most moderation and Skuzzys overwhelmed as it is.
Agreed, but I would just like to say that it isn't the topic itself that causes the arguments, it's the people discussing it. I think what you said about the moderation problem is spot on.
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first off I want to say awesome game im a dedacated customer of yours and will always be. A topic in the Oclub touches on serious issues, but I cant get into it, can we have a "Oclub" just for religious and political topics? If it was just for those topics then those visiting it would know what to expect, many people I feel would go there, I thinkthese issues are very important and we could use a place to discuss them.
Never gonna happen ink.
I have been playing this game now going on 10 years and have been reading this BBS since then also. Previous to the total banning of all political and religious topics in the O'Club, 99.9999999% of all of the threads that discussed those topics ALWAYS degraded to an outright nasty fight and personal attacks were off the hook.
At the tender age of 57, I have never seen, in my life, any political or religious discussion not turn into a shouting match and get ugly ... if the participants truly embrace their views or opinions on the subject.
You have to keep in mind that this their business and what people see and read on this BBS reflects on their business. That is reason why all these forums are moderated and threads are edited and/or locked. Previous to the banning of these topics, and me personally looking at all the threads that Skuzzy had to edit and/or lock that were political or religious topics was unbelievable. Yeah, it's Skuzzy's job to moderate these forums, but it's not his only job and I would be the ranch that he cringes everyday he fires up the browser and then starts to scan this BBS. I don't care how you twist it, it just can't be fun, as an adult, trying to moderate out-of-control adults on a daily basis. He would probably prefer sticking sharp pencils in his eye as opposed to having to moderate this BBS.
If a political/religious forum were introduced on this BBS, and it needed to be moderated so that HTC doesn't look bad, there would really be nothing to read because most of the posts would be edited out or the thread would be locked and Skuzzy would be back in the same boat he was a few years back and he surely doesn't want to sail on that ship again.
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Theres a whole forum dedicated just to this INK its called flamewarriors.net and it was created to spite this forum.
Bunch of blowhards
You are ignorant, stick to what you know... The kiddie pool. Toad is probably one of the most well spoken people I have had the pleasure of reading. You'll never know because you're stuck in preconceived notion of what FW is. Will I admit there is a bunch of name calling BS trolling going on there ...yes there is. However there can be serious discussions of constitutional/political issues, which I'm sure you have no problem with a dissenting opinion and could clearly rebuff it.
Again stay in the shallows there be big fish out in the deep.
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I think I see what you guys are saying, it is sad that we cant talk about serious issues without it turning into a texting war,and insults. maybe I will give FW's a second look at.....
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I am a very level headed hard to torque off kinda guy so it would not really bother me. Some folks can go off at anything at all. As a personal policy I never discuss politics or religion with my friends or customers. To easy for a conversation to get off the rails with some of the hot button issues out there. Much respect Sir, but -1.
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Theres a whole forum dedicated just to this INK its called flamewarriors.net and it was created to spite this forum.
Bunch of blowhards
Great forum by the way.. It is definitely not for kids, but good discussions without the rule14 every other sentence. Not that I am against the rules of this forum. It is HTC's forum and they can make whatever rules they want.. I did not think that it was created to spite this forum though...
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lol...In Aces High , this all came to an end. A group of people that had known each other for years in the various games congregated in the O-Club and discussed politics, religion, guns, cars, art, music and everything else under the sun. Sometimes these discussions got very, very heated. As Aces High was a business, the company tried to keep the discussions pretty clean, work safe and reasonable. They did this by creating rules and monitoring the discussions. The moderation grew more and more intense, leading to accusations of favoritism towards some posters and general disenchantment with the environment. Rebellion ensued with increasing rule violations. The company finally threatened to shut down the O-club and bans of posters became frequent.
At that point, Caper12, King chit, created Flamewarriors as an unmoderated board for these old reprobate flight simmers. A general exodus of all the cool guys occurred.
An excerpt from flamewarriors, I take this paragraph as meaning they were tired of getting skuzzified so they went elsewhere.....maybe spite wasn't the right word.
But in any case if this is your cup of tea then drink it. I just don't get off on trying to one up everything people post with curse words and pornography.
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I was told..in no uncertain terms......that I may have pushed this envelope here almost single-handedly.
when I first got here......I easily launched 15 to 20 political threads per week. heavily participated in....but all virtually shut down sooner or later...as most inevitably veered off topic and became far too heated.
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lol....
the problem is that most are not looking to sanely talk about anything, they just want to get into verbal arguments. Either that, or most people fail to be able to look objectively at anything and instead personalize everything.
just look at how aggressively Brok attacked Belial for Belial's feelings toward flaimwarrior.net... as if brok is flaimwarriors.net.
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Theres a whole forum dedicated just to this INK its called flamewarriors.net and it was created to spite this forum.
Bunch of blowhards
Pretty inaccurate Belial.
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Don't they have a whole forum just about complaining about moderators?
I bet skuzzy gets on that forum opens a beer and holds back the tears dying of laughter. :rolleyes:
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Don't they have a whole forum just about complaining about moderators?
I bet skuzzy gets on that forum opens a beer and holds back the tears dying of laughter. :rolleyes:
If you consider it's nuke (the forum owner) getting ripped on mostly in that section... then yes I'm betting skuzzy does have a good laugh.
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OK and then beat goes doo doo do doo :ahand
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Look how fast this thread polorized and devolved to the personal just talking about "Talking About Religion"... :furious
Wonder if Skuzzy drinks or buys cases of antacid????:bhead????
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Wonder if Skuzzy drinks or buys cases of antacid????:bhead????
Probably both :lol
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look at how quickly this thread has degenerated into BS...if politics were allowed here, it would just degenerate that much faster.
To be frank, if you want a proper debate then go find a debating forum - there are plenty of them out there.
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I'm religious, let me get that out. Now, knowing how many different people here have different views, I can see nothing but arguments coming from a religious and or political forum. I think a good discussion is healthy at times, but have you read this board? Some come here to grief and nothing more. And it would be hard to discuss something that you so strongly believe in with someone who believes the opposite. Wars have been started that way. I think you did the right thing by asking for it on the wishlist, but I think of all the forums, that one would need the most moderation and Skuzzys overwhelmed as it is.
to be honest, the religious discussions will break down to...
wether religion is good or bad.
arguments about god being real/fake.
and whether religion has done more good or more bad for the world.
and you dont even want to know what the political talk would boil down to.... :uhoh
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If you consider it's nuke (the forum owner) getting ripped on mostly in that section... then yes I'm betting skuzzy does have a good laugh.
If Belial has an opinion, it is his. So he doesn't like your "non-kiddie pool" over there. Deal with it. Some like vanilla, some like chocolate. Your opinion isn't the best for everyone. Grow up.
I think it's hilarious you obviously feel threatened enough to attack him here, for simply stating how that forum came into existence. The only reply a non-biased observer has is, "well that's your opinion on that forum, I don't feel the same way.". But, seeing as you come from a forum where the truth on an issue has less to do with who wins a "discussion" than how much "adults" can act like prima donnas and throw porn into a thread....
You come here and showcase what is over there with... "You are ignorant, stick to what you know... The kiddie pool. " That is not a discussion, sir. It is much easier to prove yourself ignorant, with a post like that, than Belial's ingnorance. Please see "Argumentum ad hominem" and learn something.
Belial may have been a bit off on how that forum came to be, but not a whole lot. There was an inner circle on here, in the O-club, that felt their time online had a direct correlation to the truth of their argument, and they would mercilessly berate posters both in the forums and in-game. People didn't have discussions, it turned into a beat down, "look at me, look at me" forum.
Being that my views are different from many of those "cool guys", I was a frequent target of much vitriol. I never cared a whole lot, but I was repeatedly vox'd and text'd while in-game to be berated because of my views. Groups of them would form up trying to find me on the map, when I was flying. It was all pretty desperate, simple behavior, from guys that never grew up. Funny thing is, when they would find me, I would beat them down.
I find it humorous that I can go over there and still read about myself, from posters now. I'm glad I made such an imprint. I took it in fun, but I was vox'd a few times by grown men who wanted to get my address so they could come "visit me". All for what was typed on the BBS. I know a couple of people actually left the game because of that. I would imagine that's why this forum went the way it has, and it has been a much better place for it. <S>
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This^^^
I don't think anybody over here is impressed by their (hardcore) forum. :rofl
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It's like anything else , you do not have like what someone says, just respect it, thats all. People are not always going to see eye-to-eye( see US Congress, Sigfried and Roy). simple enough
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This^^^
I don't think anybody over here is impressed by their (hardcore) forum. :rofl
Whatever makes them happy. I'm glad to see they have found a place where they can guffaw and circle jerk anonymously with others like themselves. They spend so much time online screaming "my opinion is better than yours" that they can't possibly be expected to open up a book and form a coherent argument. They truly aren't interested in any sort of discussion, unless the person already thinks like them.
But, that's what the country is becoming. Whoever screams the loudest is heard by the most, facts be damned, wins. (See Fox and MSNBC. Both networks' highest rated programs are the most blatantly opinionated.)
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Thank you, that was far more eloquent than I could have made it.
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oh I forgot to say...if someone privite voxed me or messaged me and Asked for my adress...oh that would so make me happy ;-) I would gladly give it out. Oh maybe some crazy guy would show up at my house and try to whack me......hahaha one less crazy dood in the world;-)
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oh I forgot to say...if someone privite voxed me or messaged me and Asked for my adress...oh that would so make me happy ;-) I would gladly give it out. Oh maybe some crazy guy would show up at my house and try to whack me......hahaha one less crazy dood in the world;-)
It happen before.
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ya Oak im not surprised this world is chock full of scum, I wouldnt mind takin a bit of aggresion out on one, but to do so unprovoked well that puts me in thier category.....but if some wacko shows up at my house......hehe whole new ballgame, and no prison time;-)
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I suggested FW to Ink so he could air his thoughts and opinions without fear of being muted or banned and everyone here just starts slinging mud, who's being juvenile?
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Hence why there is a flamewarriors
Exactly.
For the record, FW was started for the sole reason that Nuke felt it would be fun to have a BBS where anyone could discuss anything.
There was no spite, no problem with the rules here on the AH BBS. If you actually think about it, you'll realize that Nuke started FW because he respected HTCs authority to run this forum any way they chose.
As for the type of person that posts at FW, well, it is open to anyone. Only one person ever got banned (and he's probably back under a new handle) and that was because he actively attempted to track people down and cause trouble in their real life real lives. Other than that, no one gets banned. There was quite a discussion on the board about doing that but in the end essentially everyone agreed he needed to go.
So, you will find a cross section of the real world; all types, the good, the bad and the ugly. If that does not appeal to you, that's fine.
I'm there because, as is their prerogative, HTC banned any sort of political commentary, discussion or comments. I happen to enjoy the political give and take and I'm able to look past those posters that can't make a point or can't make a point without vulgarity. There are other posters that make it worthwhile to me. So, I just went to FW; I have no hard feelings towards HTC at all. I drop in here now and again.
Oh, about the Moderators Suck Forum. We generally create a forum if it is asked for by enough folks or if there's so much discussion that one subject tends to overwhelm the General Forum. There is a Skuzzy thread in that Forum. It's generally the place where folks that get spanked by Skuzzy go to shed their tears over the injustice of it all. In almost every case those folks have their noses rubbed into the fact that 1) HTC has a right to run this AHBBS as they choose and 2) if you get spanked it's because you are probably too stupid to follow the simple rules. There are a few guys with serious hard-ons for the moderation here and they are vocal about it; we don't moderate them or anyone else. There are plenty of folks that understand and respect the rules here and Skuzzy's enforcement of the same; they're vocal too.
So, there is no BBS competition. Participate in one, the other, both or none. It's your call, as it should be.
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Exactly.
For the record, FW was started for the sole reason that Nuke felt it would be fun to have a BBS where anyone could discuss anything.
There was no spite, no problem with the rules here on the AH BBS. If you actually think about it, you'll realize that Nuke started FW because he respected HTCs authority to run this forum any way they chose.
As for the type of person that posts at FW, well, it is open to anyone. Only one person ever got banned (and he's probably back under a new handle) and that was because he actively attempted to track people down and cause trouble in their real life real lives. Other than that, no one gets banned. There was quite a discussion on the board about doing that but in the end essentially everyone agreed he needed to go.
So, you will find a cross section of the real world; all types, the good, the bad and the ugly. If that does not appeal to you, that's fine.
I'm there because, as is their prerogative, HTC banned any sort of political commentary, discussion or comments. I happen to enjoy the political give and take and I'm able to look past those posters that can't make a point or can't make a point without vulgarity. There are other posters that make it worthwhile to me. So, I just went to FW; I have no hard feelings towards HTC at all. I drop in here now and again.
Oh, about the Moderators Suck Forum. We generally create a forum if it is asked for by enough folks or if there's so much discussion that one subject tends to overwhelm the General Forum. There is a Skuzzy thread in that Forum. It's generally the place where folks that get spanked by Skuzzy go to shed their tears over the injustice of it all. In almost every case those folks have their noses rubbed into the fact that 1) HTC has a right to run this AHBBS as they choose and 2) if you get spanked it's because you are probably too stupid to follow the simple rules. There are a few guys with serious hard-ons for the moderation here and they are vocal about it; we don't moderate them or anyone else. There are plenty of folks that understand and respect the rules here and Skuzzy's enforcement of the same; they're vocal too.
So, there is no BBS competition. Participate in one, the other, both or none. It's your call, as it should be.
Excellent post Toad. THIS is what/why FW came into existance. Unfortuneately, some have to bring things from one Board and bring it to the other. Quite "high school" if you ask me. Keep the two BBS's seperate, as that was the intent when Nuke created a place where folks would not encroach on HTC's "then new political, religious rule enforcement".
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I didn't bother reading through all of this. If I want to hear people repeat what I've already heard I'll watch a recording of what I previously watched. In other words there are few origional Ideas and alot of people that just want to sound smart. Look at Youtube. Everybody wants to post a video on Youtube of them doing the exact same thing that they learned how to do on you tube. Whats the point?
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Ink, you're my bud. But, I cant go with ya on this one. It would be a free for all in there. Spiritual and political views never end on a peaceful note.
Sorry bro -1
Everyone remember this day! Bipolar made one of the more thoughtful,insightful comments in a thread! :aok
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That's incredibly annoying
and stupid.... let us not forget stupid.
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and stupid.... let us not forget stupid.
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Can't we do both? The man is a multi-tasker!
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Can't we do both? The man is a multi-tasker!
Yossarian just has his sights set too low.
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I suppose I should have used the more conventional :banana: instead of the :bhead to indicate my sarcasm.
-Penguin
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I truly understand where ya coming from.. I have never posted once over there..... and quit even lurking over there over a year ago if not longer
and TY ...... seeing your post here stopped me from making a post and acting out of character in this thread........ I almost went all Lemming out ... ROFL
sometimes its just better to hit your head into a wall than letting the wall crash down on you :bhead :aok
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first off I want to say awesome game im a dedacated customer of yours and will always be. A topic in the Oclub touches on serious issues, but I cant get into it, can we have a "Oclub" just for religious and political topics? If it was just for those topics then those visiting it would know what to expect, many people I feel would go there, I thinkthese issues are very important and we could use a place to discuss them.
Well, there you have it ink. As you can see in this thread, this is what would happen. And it's not even about religion or politics!
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Someone please move this thread to flame warriors!
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normally after 3 pages it becomes a guns or cars discussion :lol
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normally after 3 pages it becomes a guns or cars discussion :lol
don't forget global warming.
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or Alaska! :rock
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don't forget global warming.
Or history don't forget history.
That Englishman beet1e always makes it about global warming.
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don't forget global warming.
If it's a BGB thread, shooting snakes.
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If it's a BGB thread, shooting snakes.
If this is going to turn into a thread about hunting, should there not be a disclaimer for those that are offended by hunting to not read any further.
Oh, and may we get some pics of hunted snakes?
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There is no way the topics of religion or politics will ever be allowed back on this board.
See how bad this thread turned out?
There are far too many people, on this board, who think thier opinion is very important and should be heard by everyone, regardless of any rules violations.
Too many people who cannot stop themselves from posting in threads they should not be posting in. Too many people who support abusive, derogatory posters, regardless of the rules violations.
Too many people who have little, to no respect, for our forum posting rules to begin with.
Posting comments about how another bulletin board is run is completely inappropriate. It is a petty and sad person that has to come here to complain about another bulletin board. You do not like a board? THEN KEEP IT TO YOURSELF, or go complain about it at that board.
I dream of a day where this board is full of people who would rather discuss a topic, than take cheap personal shots at each other. That is my wish. I am not going to hold my breath.