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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: angels10 on January 20, 2011, 11:01:31 AM
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It seems there is a steep learning curve to getting better at this game. Well my arms getting numb I'm ready for the fast ball ,slider or screw ball.
I looked at my stats i have logged 1,020 hours in the last twelve months alone. That is an average of 2.79 hours per day. And I have been on for three years + too embarrassed to look up the rest of my time playing.
When is spring training over I'm ready to play! Any ideas on how to get my KD ratio up? :old: :airplane:
TY Angels10
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stop getting killed :noid
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I looked at my stats i have logged 1,020 hours in the last twelve months alone. That is an average of 2.79 hours per day. And I have been on for three years + too embarrassed to look up the rest of my time playing.
Oh, don't worry, that's a moderate amount of playing time. There are many dweebs much worse than that :noid
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Pick one a/c one you like and one you can make kills with, stick with it for a while. Helped me.
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get you K/D up by flying with better SA ( knowing when to engage and disengage) stay close to friendlies and call out bad guys, the key is SA and learning the strength's and weaknesses of the planes you like to fly
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Get in touch with the trainers ask for some advanced training, and keep an eye out for training clinics. I know they just ran a BFM clinic the other day.
Go to the DA and ask for some 1v1's. A lot of the better sticks are more than willing to help people out, usually you just have to ask.
Film your fights, and don't look at what you did right but what you did wrong.
Don't be afraid to get into fights even if you're at a disadvantage. The more you fight the more you will learn. There are things that can't really be taught, like SA, and reading E states that can only improve if you practice them.
+1 on sticking with one plane until you're proficient at surviving and killing in it. Then move around and check other planes out.
Learn your plane backwards and forwards so that you know what it's going to do before it does it.
Practice flying around looking backwards. Yeah for real.
Most importantly have fun.
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First of all, don't mistake me for someone that's qualified to give fighter advise but something I found that worked for me to improve my limited fighter skills was to fly a plane considered a pure fighter. I looked at your stats and you seem to prefer 190's, P51's, La's and Zeke's. When I switched to the P47M I saw a great improvement. It's big and fast enough to get you out of trouble. Be patient, fly to 20K and make the plane work for you. It seems to have endless fuel. (I usually take a drop and 50). The large gun package seems to never run low. And you can turn it fast in a merge. It's merciless on bomber formations and it can take a lot of damage. Just don't get low and slow. Just a suggestion for a ride that worked for me and I still have a long way to go. Good luck!!
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I Don't think I've ever shot you down! he,he. Misfire,
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Fly to stay alive rather than fly to try and kill as many red guys as fast a possible. It's knowing you need to climbout flying away from your enemy before you turn your nose twords them and fly into the frey.
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If you want to get better, the best way is to get people to duel you. Go to the DA, and ask, "Does anyone want to duel?"... you can ask in the ma too.
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No kidding.... I put as much time in here as I do working....... :uhoh
Oh, don't worry, that's a moderate amount of playing time. There are many dweebs much worse than that :noid
angels10, do you fly a bunch of birds or just a few? Less is better to develop.
Who do you fly with? Do you guys do any training?
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Speed is life. Avoid the fur-ball. Try and attack when you have at minimum an equal footing (alt and speed). KNOW the plane you are in and the plane you are attacking.
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It seems there is a steep learning curve to getting better at this game. Well my arms getting numb I'm ready for the fast ball ,slider or screw ball.
I looked at my stats i have logged 1,020 hours in the last twelve months alone. That is an average of 2.79 hours per day. And I have been on for three years + too embarrassed to look up the rest of my time playing.
When is spring training over I'm ready to play! Any ideas on how to get my KD ratio up? :old: :airplane:
TY Angels10
Spend two weeks in a place like the DA and die a lot. Not the lake though. Find one or two guys that are willing to fight you for an hour every day and tell you how you got killed. Check the difference after that.
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the very best thing, is to hit the training arena.....schedule with a trainer first. there are many, and these guys are VERY helpful.
a couple of hours in there with a good trainer will more than pay off for ya. :aok
oh yea.....welcome to the madness sir.
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Stop making me mad so I stop killing you
wait i'll prolly kill you anway
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If you want to get better, the best way is to get people to duel you. Go to the DA, and ask, "Does anyone want to duel?"... you can ask in the ma too.
.facepalm
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It seems there is a steep learning curve to getting better at this game. Well my arms getting numb I'm ready for the fast ball ,slider or screw ball.
I looked at my stats i have logged 1,020 hours in the last twelve months alone. That is an average of 2.79 hours per day. And I have been on for three years + too embarrassed to look up the rest of my time playing.
When is spring training over I'm ready to play! Any ideas on how to get my KD ratio up? :old: :airplane:
TY Angels10
Don't worry about K/D, Just up in a place where you are overwhelmed by #s and altitude. That way you always have an excuse for losing and the few victories you get are that much sweeter :)
JUGgler
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When is spring training over I'm ready to play! Any ideas on how to get my KD ratio up? :old: :airplane:
TY Angels10
a good way to i,prove is to fly with some good Squadmates using wingtactics!
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When is spring training over I'm ready to play! Any ideas on how to get my KD ratio up? :old: :airplane:
I toyed with my K/D for a few tours and managed to get it above 2, which pales in comparison to the top players, but took soem effort for me. As a few guys posting on this thread have suggested, to go to the next level would have required flying mostly uber planes, having the altitude to pick and run, avoid furballs, etc. It started to seem like work. Lately, my K/D is firmly entrenched in the 1's and I am enjoying myself.
One great suggestion is finding a good wingman. I envy those that do this well.
Just have fun, my friend. :salute
pm me online, and I'll form up with you.
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Stop making me mad so I stop killing you
wait i'll prolly kill you anway
Now "B" you know i was just having fun a TT the other day. Don't take me serious even my wife wont do that. I am honored to keep dying for you LOL <<S>>
As for the rest of you TY for your suggestions. I will be in p51b for the next month or two. I will also be humbling myself to the Training Arena :airplane:
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a good way to i,prove is to fly with some good Squadmates using wingtactics!
I misunderstood. I thought he was trying to improve his skills. Cherry picking or ganging does improve K/D too.
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Now "B" you know i was just having fun a TT the other day. Don't take me serious even my wife wont do that. I am honored to keep dying for you LOL <<S>>
As for the rest of you TY for your suggestions. I will be in p51b for the next month or two. I will also be humbling myself to the Training Arena :airplane:
Nothing humbling about the ta. I go there and do the aim bot thingy they have. It helps me out tremendously I mean I still suck but I suck just a bit less :cheers:
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I wonder if ya trying too hard, this is a true story! lol. I have a good freind I play golf with sometimes, and a couple other guy's, were the cut-up crew, drinking beer, no pressure, just a good time crew, and he will say watch this' and just make crazy shot's, all the time, just squealing unbeliveable,
But I have watched him play with his more serious golf counterpart's, he just choke's and can't get focused,
maybe just lighten up some, just have fun, cut up with your sqad buddies, and don't worry bout it,
Do this, write your score down now, hide it, play a month like you could careless, and recheck-it, just a thought
Misfire out,
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I wonder if ya trying too hard, this is a true story! lol. I have a good freind I play golf with sometimes, and a couple other guy's, were the cut-up crew, drinking beer, no pressure, just a good time crew, and he will say watch this' and just make crazy shot's, all the time, just squealing unbeliveable,
But I have watched him play with his more serious golf counterpart's, he just choke's and can't get focused,
maybe just lighten up some, just have fun, cut up with your sqad buddies, and don't worry bout it,
Do this, write your score down now, hide it, play a month like you could careless, and recheck-it, just a thought
Misfire out,
Yup.... fly naked.
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EWWW, Now I gotta gouge out my minds eye with a pencil.... :O
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.facepalm
why? dueling will make you better much faster than hanging out in the ma.
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why? dueling will make you better much faster than hanging out in the ma.
Dueling makes you better at dueling. Hanging out in the MA makes you better at hanging out in the MA.
Two completely different skillsets, with some overlap.
Getting help with a trainer is probably the best thing to do. One thing I've found amusing about training though, it takes a while and a lot of practice for some lessons to sink in. I know things trainers told me, I've been flying against someone a couple months later when something goes spectacularly right and I see how different things apply in different situations.
The main thing is, don't get discouraged if improvement is slow. It takes time.
Wiley.
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Oh, don't worry, that's a moderate amount of playing time. There are many dweebs much worse than that :noid
:noid
Just realized I've logged over 101 hours this month, 21 days in.....and there were many quite a few days I didn't play at all.....
:confused: :uhoh :bolt:
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Dueling makes you better at dueling. Hanging out in the MA makes you better at hanging out in the MA.
I guess it really comes down to what exactly is he trying to improve.
Surviving in the MA? Then you are right,. All he needs is to learn how to only engage with the advantage, how fast his plain is, and how many friends are around to bail him out. All that he can learn in the MA.
Surviving a fight? Then he needs to practice fighting either in the DA or TA. Only advantage in the DA is that he will also learn what shots can kill and what just tickle.
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Dueling makes you better at dueling. Hanging out in the MA makes you better at hanging out in the MA.
Two completely different skillsets, with some overlap.
Getting help with a trainer is probably the best thing to do. One thing I've found amusing about training though, it takes a while and a lot of practice for some lessons to sink in. I know things trainers told me, I've been flying against someone a couple months later when something goes spectacularly right and I see how different things apply in different situations.
The main thing is, don't get discouraged if improvement is slow. It takes time.
Wiley.
Total BS, I bet your watermelon out of luck and dead when you are in an out numbered or unfavorable situation, because you don't know what to do. The skills learned in from dueling apply to all aspects of fighting in the MA, especially regarding converting unfavorable situations to favorable ones.
Also, dueling greatly expands your ability to manage your plane, execute acms, and know what to do when.
Sure anyone can get kills when they have a huge advantage, (either numerically or 'e' wise), but when the situation gets hairy, it's the guys who have been dueling who come out alive and the ones who haven't, end up in someone else's score tally.
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The skills learned in from dueling apply to all aspects of fighting in the MA, especially regarding converting unfavorable situations to favorable ones.
...against a single opponent.
Also, dueling greatly expands your ability to manage your plane, execute acms, and know what to do when.
...against a single opponent.
It doesn't do squat to give you the SA to respond to multiple bandits or the ability to know what works and what doesn't defending against multiples.
Sure anyone can get kills when they have a huge advantage, (either numerically or 'e' wise), but when the situation gets hairy, it's the guys who have been dueling who come out alive and the ones who haven't, end up in someone else's score tally.
If that's the case, please explain then why so many duelists whine about getting picked so often? Fighting in a group is completely different from fighting 1v1. Like I said, some crossover, but picking one guy out of a group to fight 1v1 gets you killed, period.
Wiley.
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If that's the case, please explain then why so many duelists whine about getting picked so often? Fighting in a group is completely different from fighting 1v1. Like I said, some crossover, but picking one guy out of a group to fight 1v1 gets you killed, period.
because they are frustrated by the fact that any amount of skill in 'dueling' or 'MA fighting', is meaningless when faced with large numerical disadvantage.
Unless you are in a plane with an enormous speed adv, such as a me262, superior numerical advantage, will ultimate trump any thing else in AH.
you don't pick a guy to 1v1, in the MA, but you use the skills from practicing in a 1v1 to win.
It doesn't do squat to give you the SA to respond to multiple bandits or the ability to know what works and what doesn't defending against multiples.
Incorrect, the same ACMs apply if there are 1 or 100 cons. As a matter of fact, when fighting more than one con, the trick is to group them so that you can think of them as 1 or 2 cons. On many occasions, I have reversed 2 or 3 cons at the same time by doing 1 acm.
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It seems there is a steep learning curve to getting better at this game. Well my arms getting numb I'm ready for the fast ball ,slider or screw ball.
I looked at my stats i have logged 1,020 hours in the last twelve months alone. That is an average of 2.79 hours per day. And I have been on for three years + too embarrassed to look up the rest of my time playing.
When is spring training over I'm ready to play! Any ideas on how to get my KD ratio up? :old: :airplane:
TY Angels10
Where can we find how many hours in a tour is spent?
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Where can we find how many hours in a tour is spent?
Check your score on the webpage.
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...against a single opponent.
...against a single opponent.
bla bla bla
If you can't kill a single opponent, you can't kill multiples. He can learned how to pick and run in a day. It really is not that complicated :lol
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Check your score on the webpage.
Cc thanks, I put 14 days in about 8 months(when I joined my current squad) before that I had 6 hours in 4 months before joining :rofl :banana:
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If that's the case, please explain then why so many duelists whine about getting picked so often? Fighting in a group is completely different from fighting 1v1. Like I said, some crossover, but picking one guy out of a group to fight 1v1 gets you killed, period.
Wiley.
Easy to explain. When in a C202 and already 3 spit16s have gone down but the remaining 2 keep you bz, it is lame for someone like you with the superior SA to come in and take the 202 out don;t you think? According to your criteria, every one should be in a 262 so they cannot get forced to a fight
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because they are frustrated by the fact that any amount of skill in 'dueling' or 'MA fighting', is meaningless when faced with large numerical disadvantage.
Unless you are in a plane with an enormous speed adv, such as a me262, superior numerical advantage, will ultimate trump any thing else in AH.
A whine about getting beaten by massive superior numbers is generally phrased as a 'horde' not a 'pick'. Of course massive numbers always win.
Dueling is great, but it only takes you so far in a multiple on multiple fight.
If you can't kill a single opponent, you can't kill multiples. He can learned how to pick and run in a day. It really is not that complicated :lol
Geez guys, you're both awesome because you like to duel. Feel better now?
All I'm saying is, there's more to surviving and getting kills in the MA than dueling skills. If you fight against multiples like you're fighting a duel, you die, and depending on your personality, whine about having been picked when it happens.
Easy to explain. When in a C202 and already 3 spit16s have gone down but the remaining 2 keep you bz, it is lame for someone like you with the superior SA to come in and take the 202 out don;t you think? According to your criteria, every one should be in a 262 so they cannot get forced to a fight
In a side vs side conflict, you made the choice to dive into a crowd in your C202. Now you're going to call it lame because the group of enemy you went into the middle of are trying to kill you? :huh
Wiley.
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Incorrect, the same ACMs apply if there are 1 or 100 cons. As a matter of fact, when fighting more than one con, the trick is to group them so that you can think of them as 1 or 2 cons. On many occasions, I have reversed 2 or 3 cons at the same time by doing 1 acm.
Sorry, didn't see the edit. ACM is ACM, but you have to apply them differently in a crowd. You can't commit completely and saddle up on the guy in front of you unless the others are out of position to get to you. You definitely can't commit to him for as long.
There's more to side vs side fighting than there is to dueling, and the skillsets don't completely translate over, that's all I'm saying. Being good at one doesn't mean you're automatically good at the other.
Wiley.
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A whine about getting beaten by massive superior numbers is generally phrased as a 'horde' not a 'pick'. Of course massive numbers always win.
One can only pick another player if that person is not engaged, thus by definition, you are one the side with a numerical advantage.
if you have completely even numbers on both sides, its very hard to pick, without someone killing you.
Also, dueling doesn't mean 1v1. Often in the dueling arena, we will practice 2v2s or 3v3s. The difference is that you don't have to fly half a sector to get into a fight and thus can get into more fights. As with anything... the more you do it, the better you become, so if you can get into 10 fights an hour instead of 5, you become better twice as fast.
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Geez guys, you're both awesome because you like to duel. Feel better now?
All I'm saying is, there's more to surviving and getting kills in the MA than dueling skills. If you fight against multiples like you're fighting a duel, you die, and depending on your personality, whine about having been picked when it happens.
I was feeling pretty good to begin with, but yeah, a little better now :neener:
I don;t think that that is what you said, but ok. Imagine an MA full of people flying with SA and numbers. The three countries would never meet because any engagement could result in death.
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One can only pick another player if that person is not engaged, thus by definition, you are one the side with a numerical advantage.
if you have completely even numbers on both sides, its very hard to pick, without someone killing you.
I disagree. In a side based fight with vertical separation, it's not that hard to get some separation from the guy you're fighting, and take a poke at a lower enemy engaged with a friendly, the only downside is, you've got to get another reversal on the guy you were originally engaged with. It's a consideration that wouldn't come up in a 1v1.
Also, dueling doesn't mean 1v1. Often in the dueling arena, we will practice 2v2s or 3v3s.
Okay... any conversation I've been involved in, a duel was assumed to be 1v1 unless it was specified that it was squad on squad, but whatever.
Wiley.
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Pick one a/c one you like and one you can make kills with, stick with it for a while. Helped me.
Yes, pick one plane as your main ride. After you have gotten fairly proficient at killing. Learn some of the other more common planes that you dont normally fly or frequently end up flying against. Learn what they are good at doing and what they are not. Like getting good intel on an enemy will help you exploit its weaknesses Such is so with the aircraft.
There is plenty of data available for the other planes. but do not rely on written data alone. Just lke when goig up against an enemy army. "On observation is worth 1,000 written reports."
Know yourself, know your enemy
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I was feeling pretty good to begin with, but yeah, a little better now :neener:
I don;t think that that is what you said, but ok. Imagine an MA full of people flying with SA and numbers. The three countries would never meet because any engagement could result in death.
Well, you take a playstyle to the logical extreme, that's what you wind up with.
People who fly to survive and don't care about kills, taken to the extreme they fly around at ridiculous altitude and sightsee, and run if another aircraft gets close to them.
People who fly to get kills and don't care if they die, taken to the extreme run around and HO everything in sight until they're shot down, then do it again.
People who fly to do both have the most fun and are 'doing it right', IMO because they have to try to balance the two, and that uncertainty is what creates conflict.
Wiley.
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Well, you take a playstyle to the logical extreme, that's what you wind up with.
People who fly to survive and don't care about kills, taken to the extreme they fly around at ridiculous altitude and sightsee, and run if another aircraft gets close to them.
People who fly to get kills and don't care if they die, taken to the extreme run around and HO everything in sight until they're shot down, then do it again.
People who fly to do both have the most fun and are 'doing it right', IMO because they have to try to balance the two, and that uncertainty is what creates conflict.
Wiley.
And that is the part you don;t get. I fly to do both. However, I choose to do it by killing my opponents no matter how many, what plane they are in, and what advantage they may have. If they don't have any of the above my job is easier. If they do, my job is harder. Do I die a lot doing it? yes, but heck of a lot more fun than running scared.
Here is what dueling teaches you. I have the plane to run any time I feel like it but this was a bit more fun.
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/LA7-1.ahf (http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/LA7-1.ahf)
Learn that in the MA if you can
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And that is the part you don;t get. I fly to do both. However, I choose to do it by killing my opponents no matter how many, what plane they are in, and what advantage they may have. If they don't have any of the above my job is easier. If they do, my job is harder. Do I die a lot doing it? yes, but heck of a lot more fun than running scared.
Here is what dueling teaches you. I have the plane to run any time I feel like it but this was a bit more fun.
http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/LA7-1.ahf (http://www.freeroleentertainment.com/LA7-1.ahf)
Learn that in the MA if you can
Not in front of filmviewer, I'm sure your skills are awe inspiring. :aok
Two things though:
You aren't flying to survive. Your priority is on getting kills. It is a fun way to fly. Fun is good.
I know without looking you didn't kill your enemies the same way you would've if you weren't 1 v many. You fought differently, because that's how you have to fight in a crowd, because fighting in a crowd is fundamentally different from fighting 1v1.
You had to learn to fight in a crowd. I am typing this slowly so hopefully it may be heard. You had to learn to fight in a crowd, and that learning went beyond what you were doing 1v1, because it is a vastly different fight.
Wiley.
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I disagree. In a side based fight with vertical separation, it's not that hard to get some separation from the guy you're fighting, and take a poke at a lower enemy engaged with a friendly, the only downside is, you've got to get another reversal on the guy you were originally engaged with. It's a consideration that wouldn't come up in a 1v1.
Wiley.
If all you intend to do is come to the fight at high altitude, shoot the low occupied enemy and immediately skedaddle back to safety, then you're right; learning to duel isn't going to help much. If you ever get into to a situation where a bad guy(s) is planning to shoot at you or you need to maneuver to get the kill, then skills that can be learned and perfected from dueling will greatly help you.
You're 800 out on the six of a better turning plane. He's flying about 200mph, you're about 230. He breaks hard to the right. This is a situation that happens in both the MA furball and a duel in the DA.
The timid player thinks he has no chance of getting the kill without risk. He breaks off the attack and retreats back to safety.
The less timid player that has never dueled or learned any ACM will yank the stick back in a hard turn going for the shot, miss the impossible shot completely, and overshoot. He just bled his superior E state and is doomed because the better turning plane just reversed him is now dead on his six and ready to fire.
The dueling purest sees the impending overshoot and pulls into the vertical and starts a high yo-yo. He's now dead on the enemy's six and ready to fire... BAM. The full time dueler is back in the tower because a P-51 just bounced him. He never saw it coming.
The player well versed in skills learned both from furballing and from dueling, sees the overshoot, checks for any imminent threats before starting the high yo-yo, he sees the P-51, breaks off the attack on the better turning plane and evades or kills the P-51.
To be the most efficient and effective furballer as possible, one needs to know everything.
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Not in front of filmviewer, I'm sure your skills are awe inspiring. :aok
Two things though:
You aren't flying to survive. Your priority is on getting kills. It is a fun way to fly. Fun is good.
I know without looking you didn't kill your enemies the same way you would've if you weren't 1 v many. You fought differently, because that's how you have to fight in a crowd, because fighting in a crowd is fundamentally different from fighting 1v1.
You had to learn to fight in a crowd. I am typing this slowly so hopefully it may be heard. You had to learn to fight in a crowd, and that learning went beyond what you were doing 1v1, because it is a vastly different fight.
Wiley.
Lol, you are awesome. You know how I learned, if I fly to survive, and how the fight went with out looking at the film. You sir are :rock