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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AAJagerX on January 24, 2011, 04:04:22 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/24/italian-scientists-claim-cold-fusion-breakthrough/?test=faces (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/24/italian-scientists-claim-cold-fusion-breakthrough/?test=faces)
Apparently, a couple of Italians are claiming that they made it work. I can't even imagine the possibilities if this were true.
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Itsa bolgna!
-Penguin
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Itsa bolgna!
-Penguin
Lol, The Loonyversity of Baloney.
Ah, sweet irony.
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Low energy nuclear reactions have been around for a while, and the gist of it is that no one really knows what it's about. BlackLightPower seems to also be pursuing the same kind of reaction, and elsewhere on the web people are speculating that Rossi and Focardi are using the same phenomena as BLP.
The Rossi/Focardi gizmo was demo'd as a black box, barely. They refuse to show their reactor's insides in the hope of securing a patent. Reportedly they're aiming at commercial demonstration in a couple of years.
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Low energy nuclear reactions have been around for a while, and the gist of it is that no one really knows what it's about. BlackLightPower seems to also be pursuing the same kind of reaction, and elsewhere on the web people are speculating that Rossi and Focardi are using the same phenomena as BLP.
The Rossi/Focardi gizmo was demo'd as a black box, barely. They refuse to show their reactor's insides in the hope of securing a patent. Reportedly they're aiming at commercial demonstration in a couple of years.
After a bit of searching, it looks as if the Italian govt. wants them to build a megawatt sized reactor to see if it's feasable for use. Interesting stuff.
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Unless someone else can start from basic parts and reproduce the results, it is a scam.
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i dunno looks more like a power hitter bong
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Unless someone else can start from basic parts and reproduce the results, it is a scam.
or lab error.
Some US researchers made the news for the same kind of thing back in the ?70s or early 80s. Turned out their conclusions were messed up because of a measurement error, and they attributed the "extra" energy to fusion.
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Or no one's quite sure what exactly produces the effects known as 'cold fusion' / 'LENR'
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Naturally, it's hard to document the processes behind a non-existent phenomenon....
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Naturally, it's hard to document the processes behind a non-existent phenomenon....
I wouldn't go THAT far. When fire was discovered, the cavemen didn't fully understand that either.
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I read that they're trying to sell it, but won't let anyone reproduce the results. That makes it a scam instead of an "error".
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I want to believe..
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I wouldn't go THAT far. When fire was discovered, the cavemen didn't fully understand that either.
Just because some real things are hard to understand doesn't mean that everything we don't understand is true. For cold fusion to happen, there would have to be major rethinking of the way nuclear physics works.
Cold fusion is essentially impossible - the modern equivalent of the perpetual motion machine. You think all those journals that turned these guys down were just being pig headed? These guys are scammers....If fusion occurs - cold or warm - there HAVE to be atomic particles released, and these guys say there isn't any. It's a pipe dream.
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I wouldn't go THAT far. When fire was discovered, the cavemen didn't fully understand that either.
Just because some real things are hard to understand doesn't mean that everything we don't understand is true. For cold fusion to happen, there would have to be major rethinking of the way nuclear physics works.
Cold fusion is essentially impossible - the modern equivalent of the perpetual motion machine. You think all those journals that turned these guys down were just being pig headed? These guys are scammers....If fusion occurs - cold or warm - there HAVE to be atomic particles released, and these guys say there isn't any. It's a pipe dream.
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I didn't say I believed it (ref. the Looneyversity post). There's just too many things out there that aren't understood to write it off wholesale though.
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Cold Fusion will cause WWIII.
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Come on guys how do YOU think those carts keep going? I always did best with Mario for some reason.
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I want to believe..
see this right here?
this is why we have cars that cost so much to fix. the engineers that design them "want to believe" that their stuff is perfect, never breaks, never wears out, sand they "want to believe" in permanently lubricated parts. :devil
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(http://www.hookiedookiepanic.com/geist/pics/29.jpg)
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This is no joke dudes.
They've already signed contracts with GE to productize it:
(http://www.chooseourownadventure.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/40-mr_fusion.jpg)
:cool:,
Wab
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Naturally, it's hard to document the processes behind a non-existent phenomenon....
such as proven to be real anti-matter
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Thats right!!! ITALIAN POWER SON!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<---100% italian!! ROAR :aok :aok :aok :aok
-BigBOBCH
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see this right here?
this is why we have cars that cost so much to fix. the engineers that design them "want to believe" that their stuff is perfect, never breaks, never wears out, sand they "want to believe" in permanently lubricated parts. :devil
I was actually more so referencing the classic ufo poster.
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such as proven to be real anti-matter
I don't really understand what you tried to say, but anti-matter exists and can be created on demand, it just takes energy and is impractically difficult to store at the moment.
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(http://www.hookiedookiepanic.com/geist/pics/29.jpg)
always loved this webcomic
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Cold Fusion will cause WWIII.
I'm not sure it would go global, but there definitely would be some middle east countries that would need to quickly expand to stay competitive in the global market.
I hope it is reality, without a new energy source there will be a third world war with a much higher body count, eventually.
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I don't really understand what you tried to say, but anti-matter exists and can be created on demand, it just takes energy and is impractically difficult to store at the moment.
misread what he said. ignore my comment <S>
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I thought "Cold fusion" was when someone stuck their toungue on a frozen pole and it stuck........
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Just because some real things are hard to understand doesn't mean that everything we don't understand is true. For cold fusion to happen, there would have to be major rethinking of the way nuclear physics works.
As is the case for much of modern physics.
Cold fusion is essentially impossible - the modern equivalent of the perpetual motion machine. You think all those journals that turned these guys down were just being pig headed? These guys are scammers....If fusion occurs - cold or warm - there HAVE to be atomic particles released, and these guys say there isn't any. It's a pipe dream.
Aside these particular guys, the cold fusion/lenr phenom is real. The problem's people are hung up on the word "fusion" in the name that stuck to this particular phenomenon, whatever it is. The question is what it is exactly.I read that they're trying to sell it, but won't let anyone reproduce the results. That makes it a scam instead of an "error".
Reportedly they'll let others reproduce after commercial rights are secured, after some company gets the thing running. So the jury's out till then. No credibility either way, on whether the thing's real or scam. These two particular guys have admitted they're not sure exactly how it works.. So it's all (conveniently for scam scenario) consistent with plain engineering common sense: who cares how it works, if it does its job. IE produce useful energy, economically.
One of the things of notice is how people will slag on this thing, here, that's not even properly understood and yet is definitely noticeable, definitely exists, but on the other hand people have no trouble at all entertaining hot fusion. Which so far is arguably just a monumental money pit. E.G. the national ignition facility that's gotten relatively lots of press... That thing's a nuke weapons research project, not something that'll produce economical fusion power any more than ITER.I don't really understand what you tried to say, but anti-matter exists and can be created on demand, it just takes energy and is impractically difficult to store at the moment.
Prolly meant dark matter.I'm not sure it would go global, but there definitely would be some middle east countries that would need to quickly expand to stay competitive in the global market.
I hope it is reality, without a new energy source there will be a third world war with a much higher body count, eventually.
People in the middle east are aware of more promising paths to fusion such as Polywell. E.G. There's first hand reports of affluent locals in Dubai discussing it.
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http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/24/italian-scientists-claim-cold-fusion-breakthrough/?test=faces (http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/01/24/italian-scientists-claim-cold-fusion-breakthrough/?test=faces)
Apparently, a couple of Italians are claiming that they made it work. I can't even imagine the possibilities if this were true.
Val Kilmer is on it :airplane:
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Prolly meant dark matter.
no i meant anti-matter. i just misunderstood what i quoted <S>