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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on January 27, 2011, 02:52:30 PM
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In the mood to change things up a bit. So Im thinking of a different ride for the first week of the next tour. And I decided Im going to let you all pick it.
So whatever the general consensus is by the end of the month (Midnight Jan 31) that is what I will fly exclusively in the MA From Feb. 1st-7th.
There are however some conditions.
1- It has to be a fighter fighter/attack
2- No variant of any spitfire (spits are beneath me and somehow I dont think too many of you would want me in a spit anyway)
3-No jets
Outside of that. You have the options of Any other plane in the planeset
You all pick it. And I'll fly it exclusive for a week.
Let the voting begin......................
NOW
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109F
I was going to say 38G but you said no bombers
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P40b :aok
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May I preach on behalf of the C205, one of the best underated aircraft we have.
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You all pick it. And I'll fly it exclusive for a week.
202.
- oldman
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D3a.
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Do a month of "Hanger Queens". You know, those planes that "suck" in the MA that you never see?
Either P-39.
I-16
I'd say Spit XIV but you said no spits.
Or
A month of "Elite planes that should be perked"
Brewster
Bf109K
Spit XVI (I know....)
P-51D
Why not fly something "beneath you" just as an experiment?
wrongway
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P-20
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I too urge you to use the C.205 this week.
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May I preach on behalf of the C205, one of the best underated aircraft we have.
Absolutley NOT!!! I for one love that its not common to see and most dont know how to engage it. People start seeing the awsomeness of the 205 and start flying it, soon it will develop the reputation to be the next "dweeb ride" so shhhh. :neener:
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The I-16. Fighter & attack all in one little itty bitty teeny tiny small package! :aok
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I'd say a P40, and I'd like to see film.
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I'd like to see more 109G6 pilots.
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P-40, either
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B5N
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Ki 61. Great aircraft and usually underestimated by the red guys :aok
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N-JUG
5K agl or less :aok
JUGgler
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Ki 61. Great aircraft and usually underestimated by the red guys :aok
+1
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real men fly i16's
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B25C
What?
It's "attack". ;)
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202.
- oldman
+1
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F4F
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A6M5b
Let it begin :devil
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205
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I'd like to see more 109G6 pilots.
ditto
or of course a mossie
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B25C
Yes! Especially since it has AMAZING dog fighting qualities! :D
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Hmmm Id have to say....the P51B, OUTSTANDING aircraft, you just have to adjust to it a little. I think you'd like it.
Another if i had a choice is the 109K4. I LOVE that plane :rock
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Straight forward.
P-38G. I make Nikkis and Spixteens sweat.
My main ride is a Spitfire though, of all types. IF Im not in a spit, just look for a 38G, brilliant perk farmer.
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SBD!!!
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Any Yak... Will improve your gunnery
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P-47D11 :rock Great aircraft if you know how to use it.
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<off topic>
It's a bit funny seeing some of the replies. You can read into them that they are trying to help Dred get settled in, or work out some problem or kill off some frustration. It's sad that we don't have a history page. One of the lead stories would be about this guy that use to fly around in a SpitV that EVERYONE had trouble landing hits on never mind shooting down :D
</on topic>
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You cant be talking about me. I dont ever recall flying a spit5 let alone spend any kind of time in one.
Gotta say though. Im finding some of the suggestions interesting.
Carry on. We have a few days to go yet.
Anyone wanna volunteer to do the tally so nobody can say I cheated? LOL
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I would tally, but I'd give the zeke one more point than anything else :devil
Seriously though, zeke.
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I'd like to see more 109G6 pilots.
Its a tarp! :D
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47....
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You cant be talking about me. I dont ever recall flying a spit5 let alone spend any kind of time in one.
Gotta say though. Im finding some of the suggestions interesting.
Carry on. We have a few days to go yet.
Anyone wanna volunteer to do the tally so nobody can say I cheated? LOL
get Snail... and some charts!!!!
What I'm going to find funny is how much :ahand ing your going to be doing in whatever gets picked. :D. I might eve drag my sorry rear end in just to watch :devil *gets off ankle
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seriously..... pick either of the P40s or the C202... although I think you would find the C202 to be too much fun :D
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Hmmm...Macci C.202.
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seriously..... pick either of the P40s or the C202... although I think you would find the C202 to be too much fun :D
I'm changing my vote..
202
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Hurricane I, No Cannon so must be accurate and its got that damb carburator :uhoh 2nd choice is the 109E. But what do I know, was never much of a fighter pilot :bhead
LTARogue
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Hurricane I, No Cannon so must be accurate and its got that damb carburator :uhoh 2nd choice is the 109E. But what do I know, was never much of a fighter pilot :bhead
LTARogue
The E is actually a pretty competitive plane in a furball. The turn rate isn't bad, and climb rate is still decent. Not to mention twice the cannon armament of later 109 models.
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I havent seen anyone suggest the C47 yet.
~BParker~
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I dont know why you find spits beneath you....they are great planes, beautiful lines, very good all around plane....I just dont understand why so many think there are such things as "dweeb planes" there are NO dweeb planes period. Just dweeb pilots. as far as the plane you should fly the Hurri2D those 40's are sick just not many ;-)
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c-202 with only 2 mg
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RV8 :D
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Fly the 109 g-6. Great perk farmer. Get into the top50 in it, without dweebing or vulching and you will be fine. Not as easy, belive me ;)
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get Snail... and some charts!!!!
What I'm going to find funny is how much :ahand ing your going to be doing in whatever gets picked. :D. I might eve drag my sorry rear end in just to watch :devil *gets off ankle
Arent you the one that suggested the 109f?
You might want to ask around about my history in that thing first if thats what your looking for me to be doing.
And no. I'll live with whichever one is chosen.
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seriously..... pick either of the P40s or the C202... although I think you would find the C202 to be too much fun :D
Isnt for me to pick. Its for you all to pick
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I dont know why you find spits beneath you....they are great planes, beautiful lines, very good all around plane....I just dont understand why so many think there are such things as "dweeb planes"
Because they are.
And I gave up arcade games years ago
:D
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Do a month of "Hanger Queens". You know, those planes that "suck" in the MA that you never see?
Either P-39.
I-16
I'd say Spit XIV but you said no spits.
Or
A month of "Elite planes that should be perked"
Brewster
Bf109K
Spit XVI (I know....)
P-51D
Why not fly something "beneath you" just as an experiment?
wrongway
i wouldnt rly call the p39 a "hanger queen"
the D model maybe, but i fly and have encountered alot of Q models in the LW.
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I would say the C.202, as aside from 190A-4/5's I think that the 202 is the prettiest + coolest looking plane in the game, and has some cool skin choices for it
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I suggest the 190-a5. although I fly the 109k4, I'd have to say that flying the 190 improved my flying. Why? It changes the way you think about angles, It bleeds E, it doesn't turn well, but it rolls and climbs well.
It forces you to think more about displacement rolls and other moves in ways that flying a spit or 109f4/g2 will never force you to do. It can be frustrating at times as you will overshoot most planes in the beginning, once you get it, its fun... and challenging.
When I'm talking about fighting in a 190, I'm talking about actually turn fighting, not bnzing.
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I suggest the 190-a5. although I fly the 109k4, I'd have to say that flying the 190 improved my flying. Why? It changes the way you think about angles, It bleeds E, it doesn't turn well, but it rolls and climbs well.
It forces you to think more about displacement rolls and other moves in ways that flying a spit or 109f4/g2 will never force you to do. It can be frustrating at times as you will overshoot most planes in the beginning, once you get it, its fun... and challenging.
When I'm talking about fighting in a 190, I'm talking about actually turn fighting, not bnzing.
Amen man, I am proud to say that most of my kills in the A-5 are not by BnZ
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The 110c .
A man's plane.
Can dive up to 500mph without losing stuff, and have the speed of an aircraft carrier :lol
Aim close and look at the perkies farmed after shooting a pesky 51D down.
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i wouldnt rly call the p39 a "hanger queen"
the D model maybe, but i fly and have encountered alot of Q models in the LW.
get me and my squaddie 1sum41 in P39Ds and we'll see you reconsider what a hanger queen is :ahand
Dred i say you go with the A6M5B. its worth MUCH more than most pilots would think <S>
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I'll recommend you fly the Mossie MkVI. IMHO it's a very underutilized plane in the arena and
it would give you a bit of distinction, and who doesn't like deh stink?
It's got very nice speed, a tremendous amount of cannon and MGs and does a pretty decent
snap roll if you're latched onto a hard turning enemy.
A couple of tips (take 'em for what they're worth as I'm a mediocre stick at best.)
Never take off with more than 50 percent fuel. If you need more range, just
use DTs. (50 will give you about 30 mins duration.)
Burn off the outer (LO and RO) tanks first; it'll roll a lot better.
Fire off all except about 900 of the .303s, if not all. It'll save you about 300 pounds
of weight in the nose. (Your hit percentage score suffers, but who cares?)
Adjust the forward view so you can see over the nose, you'll lose sight of your
gunsight, but you can, prior to adjusting the view, place the tip of your mouse
on the center of the gunsight and press "H" to lock it in place. This will then
become your "new" gunsight.
Never fly it past 440 IAS; you'll start rippin' parts off the wings.
Regards, Odd
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Odds got my vote ,, heres some insperation :D
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,303770.0.html
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Arent you the one that suggested the 109f?
You might want to ask around about my history in that thing first if thats what your looking for me to be doing.
And no. I'll live with whichever one is chosen.
Naahhhh research is sooo boring but I believe you may have taken my reply wrong. I know you're pretty dang good so, no matter what platform you're eventually in, a lot of 'uber sticks' out there are going to be doing a lot of 'wtfing' which I find quite amusing.
Oh and I changed my vote to the 202 :D
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Isnt for me to pick. Its for you all to pick
well I'm sorry for my wording
I am picking the P40's or the C202...... for you to fly next tour.....
has anyone done a vote count yet? and be sure not to double or triple count those of us who have posted more than once
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DRED~sorry dood I completly disagree with you.....there are NO dweeb planes.....any spit fire is easy to kill untill the pilot really knows his stuff, all you people who say spits are "dweeb planes" or call any plane a "dweeb ride" need to get your head out your butts.....every fighter is wonderfull, they are beautifull props, its the stick that is a "dweeb". Unless of course the spitfire rolls out of the hanger and flies all by itself.......
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^^^^
nuff said
but I'm still pulling for the 202
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get me and my squaddie 1sum41 in P39Ds and we'll see you reconsider what a hanger queen is :ahand
Dred i say you go with the A6M5B. its worth MUCH more than most pilots would think <S>
oh no im not insulting the D model, i fly it alot in EW (great plane).
its just most ppl like to take the .50 cal WEP Q model instead of the .30 cal+.50cal no WEP D model.
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I'll just leave it as that as I dont want to turn this thread into a debate on spits
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Naahhhh research is sooo boring but I believe you may have taken my reply wrong. I know you're pretty dang good so, no matter what platform you're eventually in, a lot of 'uber sticks' out there are going to be doing a lot of 'wtfing' which I find quite amusing.
Oh and I changed my vote to the 202 :D
Must have. No prob.
I figure Ill have a dip for the first night or too till I get used to whichever plane it turns out to be. then It'll pick up
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109F
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well I'm sorry for my wording
I am picking the P40's or the C202...... for you to fly next tour.....
has anyone done a vote count yet? and be sure not to double or triple count those of us who have posted more than once
Just did a quick scan and while not official it looks as though the 202 is the leading candidate so far
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Dred
When you decide on whatever if you don't mind I'd like to .join and observe a couple of times. I tend to learn a thing or six doing this from time to time. Just pm me.
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Dred
When you decide on whatever if you don't mind I'd like to .join and observe a couple of times. I tend to learn a thing or six doing this from time to time. Just pm me.
LOL Again. its not my pick. Its what you all pick.
And you can join me whenever you like. So long as I know the person joining I'll usually accept them readily
I just dont accept join requests from either I dont know. And particularly from people I dont know without prior warning.
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just shoot me a pm when you're going to go hunting dichodog in game. Much appreciated sir <S>
Okay gang I'll do the talley let the voting begin. One plane one vote no changing vote. Any post with anything other than a plane type is disqualified.
GO!
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just shoot me a pm when you're going to go hunting dichodog in game. Much appreciated sir <S>
Okay gang I'll do the talley let the voting begin. One plane one vote no changing vote. Any post with anything other than a plane type is disqualified.
GO!
Dr1 :noid
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c202
I did some time in it this tour, a ton of fun. Maintain some E, fight in the vertical and be ready to use 300+ rounds to take parts off your enemy.
Good Luck
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F4F
And Spitfires are EASY MODE planes...just look at how the Brits bashed the Germans and we all know Brit pilots sucked monkeys in WW2.....flame suit on.
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Spitfire Mk Ia.
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get me and my squaddie 1sum41 in P39Ds and we'll see you reconsider what a hanger queen is :ahand
Dred i say you go with the A6M5B. its worth MUCH more than most pilots would think <S>
DA?
wrongway
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Speaking as someone who loves to fly the P-39D, it is outclassed by nearly anything it is likely to encounter in the Late War arenas.
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Speaking as someone who loves to fly the P-39D, it is outclassed by nearly anything it is likely to encounter in the Late War arenas.
I don't know how you fly that thing.... the rear-side views is totally obstructed 6inch think framing.
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I don't know how you fly that thing.... the rear-side views is totally obstructed 6inch think framing.
-GREAT unobstructed gunsight.
-good cocpit views
-can outturn EW spits.(but not outclimb)
-and of course, that 37mm cannon, makes the k4's 30mm look like a peashooter :P
the Q model is best choice for anyone wanting to fly cobras in LW.
the D model does great in EW and good in MW.
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Speaking as someone who loves to fly the P-39D, it is outclassed by nearly anything it is likely to encounter in the Late War arenas.
P39D PWNS JUGS :furious
JUGgler
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P39D PWNS JUGS :furious
JUGgler
false!
stop with the hustle Jug :D
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false!
stop with the hustle Jug :D
:rofl
damn!
JUGgler
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-GREAT unobstructed gunsight.
-good cocpit views
-can outturn EW spits.(but not outclimb)
-and of course, that 37mm cannon, makes the k4's 30mm look like a peashooter :P
the Q model is best choice for anyone wanting to fly cobras in LW.
the D model does great in EW and good in MW.
IMHO the cockpit views towards the rear are decent, but not great, the heavy framing around the rear of the cockpit limits your vision, this was alleviated some what a couple updates ago by allowing more forward head travel, but maintaining SA is more challenging than a lot of other planes. You may be able to get some angles vs the SpitV early in the fight because the P-39D is actually pretty good at shedding massive amounts of E but once the E is gone I would be surprised if the Spit didn't just power around and get behind you. I also think the 30mm tater chucker on the K4 is a far more desirable weapon because it has a much higher ROF, the difference in damage between a 30 and 37mm round hit is irrelevant against most other fighters and under the current damage system 1 round of either on a heavy bomber isn't likely to cause catastrophic damage in either case the better ROF of the LW cannon far outweighs the larger caliber of the U.S. gun.
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P-39Q
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nice Soul....what about the weird stall in the 39 that will get ya if you dont know that plane.
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nice Soul....what about the weird stall in the 39 that will get ya if you dont know that plane.
The operational history of the 39 was bedeviled a bit by rumors that it would tumble, which hardly could have inspired it's pilots. Bell test pilots tried to re-create the event but weren't able to.
Charles King who flew with the 39th FS in the pacific had the following to say
The P-39's handling characteristics have also come in for some criticism too. However, I am convinced that the fighter did not "tumble", as has been widely reported. All tests to record a tumble were unsuccessful. It was easy to stall the aeroplane on it's back, with a resultant flat inverted spin. In that situation, retarding the throttle would allow the aeroplane to drop into an easily recoverable normal spin. Loss of altitude in a flat spin was minimal, but to the disoriented pilot with a control stick that seemed useless, this was not apparent. The aeroplane oscillated slowly and horizontally as the nose sipped below the horizon and then rose about it. To some pilots this was interpreted as a tumble.
One thing that HTC seemed to nail was the 39 seemed to be a very easy plane to get into an accelerated stall, during maneuvers you have to be really careful or she'll drop a wing on you in a heartbeat once the speed starts to bleed off.
Edwards Park who wrote one of my favorite memoirs (Dan introduced us to it and it's been a hit to read in the 80th), he was interviewed for the book "Fire in the Sky".
You didn't ever move the controls much through your turns, so you thought about your acrobatics. But it could do some very weird things. If you actually moved the controls you had a very good chance of doing a high speed stall and snap roll. It was very delicate. Poorly trained pilots could get in trouble with a P-39...
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F4F
And Spitfires are EASY MODE planes...just look at how the Brits bashed the Germans and we all know Brit pilots sucked monkeys in WW2.....flame suit on.
It's true I've seen it in a book somewhere. :D
How about IL2 in f3 mode for your pick. Dives, turns, no running like 190's.
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IMHO the cockpit views towards the rear are decent, but not great, the heavy framing around the rear of the cockpit limits your vision, this was alleviated some what a couple updates ago by allowing more forward head travel, but maintaining SA is more challenging than a lot of other planes. You may be able to get some angles vs the SpitV early in the fight because the P-39D is actually pretty good at shedding massive amounts of E but once the E is gone I would be surprised if the Spit didn't just power around and get behind you. I also think the 30mm tater chucker on the K4 is a far more desirable weapon because it has a much higher ROF, the difference in damage between a 30 and 37mm round hit is irrelevant against most other fighters and under the current damage system 1 round of either on a heavy bomber isn't likely to cause catastrophic damage in either case the better ROF of the LW cannon far outweighs the larger caliber of the U.S. gun.
i havent had much problem with cocpit view, the only times i do is trying to look out the side car door windows. i absolutly love the p39's gunsight tho. i think its the best gunsight ingame and would put it in all my planes if i could, its just so clear un un obstructed. plus the cocpit design i love aswell.
i have outturned a few spit1's (and a hurr iic once) in EW, but me saying a p39 can outturn a spit comes from a documentary on the p39 i saw. where they stated the british analyzed that the p39 could easily outturn a spitfire, but couldnt outclimb it or fight good in a vertical. therefore the british went with the spitfire instead of the p39. plus both the D and Q models are pretty good at withstanding deep dives and still handle pretty well at high speeds. and lets not forget the p39 is a very rugged and reliable aircraft. she can take hits pretty well. (taters includeD) i have no proof of it, but a year ago i was in a p39Q in MW, got into a DF with a hurr IID, took a 40mm round right to the wing. nocked my guns out in that wing and gave me a fuel leak, but the wing stayed on and i ended up wining the fight.
im not saying at all that the p39 is an uber plane, it can be outperformed by alot of LW fighters, im just saying it doesnt at all desire the bad rep it has. it can be deadly in a furball, and most people underestimate it, which is a fatal mistake.
its deadliest in EW and MW. and can still be a strong contender in LW under the right conditions. :airplane:
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C47 goony
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The operational history of the 39 was bedeviled a bit by rumors that it would tumble, which hardly could have inspired it's pilots. Bell test pilots tried to re-create the event but weren't able to.
Charles King who flew with the 39th FS in the pacific had the following to say
One thing that HTC seemed to nail was the 39 seemed to be a very easy plane to get into an accelerated stall, during maneuvers you have to be really careful or she'll drop a wing on you in a heartbeat once the speed starts to bleed off.
Edwards Park who wrote one of my favorite memoirs (Dan introduced us to it and it's been a hit to read in the 80th), he was interviewed for the book "Fire in the Sky".
Ya know this is one of the top three things I love about this game. Having people who actually know what they're talking about post that info. It's fascinating to me.
Thanks Soul
*towels off ankle
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:)
The P-39, particularly in US service in the 5th AF has been a little bit of an obsession with me (well as much of an obsession as my meager funds will allow) for a while now.
If you want a good memoir I heavily recommend picking up "Nanette: Her Pilot's Love Story" by Edwards Park. Park flew with the 41st Fighter Squadron, rather than paint the picture of the dashing, heroic fighter pilot instead the members of "Gopher Squadron" manage to scrape by and survive day to day.
It can't be taken a strict factual account, but is a great, great read, and can be found online pretty cheap.
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Park&sts=t&tn=Nanette&x=0&y=0 (http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Park&sts=t&tn=Nanette&x=0&y=0)
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I'll check that out. I'm currently working on 'Winged Victory' by Geoffrey Perret which is so in depth and fascinating I'm going to have to read it twice to assimilate the data. Then off to American Heritage New History of World War II by Stephen E Ambrose (author of Band of Brothers). $15 total at Half Price Books. I saw 'read a book' so many times in the wishlist I decided to start reading WWII history and it's been a real eye opener.
But we digress
202..
Dred when do you want me to count up the votes?
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Surprise a few guys. Fly the Bf 110C-4b.
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F4F
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Monday night marks the end of the voting.
But I was thinking. inasmuch as HTC is sometimes calendar challenged when it comes to tours and release dates (kidding) Should I do the week from the end of the month (tues -mon) or the first week of the next tour?
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FM-2
The 202 is a fun ride but hard to get more than 3 kills...the FM-2 you can get 12 out of if you know how to fly it.
Spits 8's are good for 7-- Ki-84 good for 7..was working on that one for awhile
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I16!! :furious
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SHawk once flew every plane in the set for the month.
Forget if he included bombers. He made sure he got a kill in each before moving on I Think and did them alphabetically.
Now thats a challenge! :aok
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Be a real man, fly a C-47 into a furball. :aok
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SHawk once flew every plane in the set for the month.
Forget if he included bombers. He made sure he got a kill in each before moving on I Think and did them alphabetically.
Now thats a challenge! :aok
I've done that. I excluded bombers but made sure my K/D was 1 or better in each plane before moving on. SkyRock went for a kill in every plane including bombers. I think he got two kills in the C-47.
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I vote C.202.
I need some company.
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okay I'll count em up Monday night
first week of the tour gets my vote
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C202
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I don't know why everyone is choosing the 202.... must be because it's one of the hardest to get a kill in due to the gun package. 1 vs 1 it isn't that hard because the plane handles very well but it's going to take long concentrated bursts to bring someone down. When you are trying to fight more than one it's very tough, every one gets pinged but no one dies.
Flew it in Sea2 organized by Roscoroo a couple years ago against guys like Catus, Moot, WWM. Of the few planes flown that night, against some of the best, thats the plane I got the most kills in.....but like I said, mostly 1 vs. 1 http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,257068.msg3184301.html#msg3184301
SCOTCH Owning Me in 202..I had the advantage, he's just better than i am. http://download849.mediafire.com/ap2pvoznhbrg/myuxyfjymzc/me%26scotch+202%27s_0651.ahf
Me and Scotch again...you can learn a lot from that guy. His control and throttle management are ACES http://download848.mediafire.com/2e6yx3g250lg/yzy1jz2mcty/me%26scotch+202%27s_0032.ahf
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I don't know why everyone is choosing the 202.... must be because it's one of the hardest to get a kill in due to the gun package. 1 vs 1 it isn't that hard because the plane handles very well but it's going to take long concentrated bursts to bring someone down. When you are trying to fight more than one it's very tough, every one gets pinged but no one dies.
A very accurate description. The nice thing about the 202 is that any kill you get you have to work very hard for, and therefore appreciate all the more.
- oldman
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The nice thing about the 202 is that any kill you get you have to work very hard for, and therefore appreciate all the more.
- oldman
totally agree with ya OM..... and it will be a good challenge to fly this verses most all other planes one might come up against in the MA's......
we are picking/choosing the C202 to give DRED a challenge.......... hence same reason I originally picked the P40b. to give him a challenge. not something easy to go fly and get easier kills in.....
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flying in the MA he should have a fighting chance, the guns in the 202 do not allow that, hurri2D is a better choice, he must fight, with that plane he has a quick kill potential, not with the 202......my 02$
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Thats why I said the C205
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i had a very fun(and frantic) fight today against a c.202 in a ju88.got some shots on him but didnt seem to be doing anything to him. i ended up having to use my rudder to last-second swirv out of his line of fire. he must of ran out of ammo because he thankfully flew away.
landed 2 kills :D
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The time I did my "Get a kill in every unit in the game" tour, my C.202 kill was a B-17. That took a lot of time to bring down.
The hardest kill was with the Ar234. It didn't have a tail gun back then, so I had to find something to bomb. Eventually I found a tracked vehicle of some kind and hit it.
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The time I did my "Get a kill in every unit in the game" tour, my C.202 kill was a B-17. That took a lot of time to bring down.
The hardest kill was with the Ar234. It didn't have a tail gun back then, so I had to find something to bomb. Eventually I found a tracked vehicle of some kind and hit it.
did you annoy the B-17 to death?
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DA?
wrongway
if we get the chance to wrongway :aok wouldnt mind it at all. just busy lately <S>
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did you annoy the B-17 to death?
Took its right wing off. As I said, it took quite a while to kill it. :p
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Took its right wing off. As I said, it took quite a while to kill it. :p
Heh. Shot down a Lanc once with a 202, killed all the gunners and put holes in the fuel tanks, the poor guy ran out of gas while I buzzed around him. Good times.
- oldman
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I say TA152. Go buff hunting and heck nail some jets. Also, you have to rearm at least once.
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I only picked the C202 for him because that is the only plane with guns on it that I have never been shot down by that I recall.
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Last day till the tally.
Voting ends midnight. Decided to do the first week of the tour. Whenever that starts
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OK. Anyone care to do the tally?
Or are we pretty much in agreement that its the 202?
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its gonna be the 202
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I'd fly the C205 or Ki61. At least give yourself a chance to be successful in a less popular ride.
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No one mentioned the wildcat?
<edit, ahh someone did>
the c205 is no slouch in itself - while under-utilized, its definately competitive. The 202... eh... f4f gives more options in finding a fight on some maps.
can it, or the 202, carry ord? lol i forgot.
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Wasnt for me to pick. It was for you all to pick.
Kinda ruins the whole point of having you all pick my ride only for me to go and drive something else. LOL
Ok 202 it is. 1 week starting with the first day of the tour.
Has the new tour started yet?
BTW this excludes FSO for obvious reasons
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damn that 202, depending on how you fly in the mains, gonna be a bit of a hassle to kill anyone, before it takes to kill someone youll be surrounded by red.....Im sure I dont need to say it, but Aim for the pilot......best chance for a quick kill in that bird......its a cool thing though what your doing....you were in a film I was watching last week, I was engaged with a few nme and you flew by you yourself was red to me and you diddnt jump in, flew right past....a man of Honor, I SALUTE you.
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crud.. with the ice, snow, and stuff, I forgot to count them. Sorry Dred.
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C47
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youll be surrounded by red.. but Aim for the pilot......best chance for a quick kill in that bird......its a cool thing though what your doing....you were in a film I was watching last week, I was engaged with a few nme and you flew by you yourself was red to me and you diddnt jump in, flew right past....a man of Honor, I SALUTE you.
LMAO I almost always end up surrounded by red anyway. So it will be situation normal and how many can I get to auger.
My monitor died the other day. So untill I can get a new one.Im now playing on my 32" high def which only fits in one place on my desk. and thats about 2 1/2 feet from my face. Things seem....life size to say the least. its actually too big for where I have to sit. But, Now I can actually aim for the pilot. Hell now I can practically aim for individual rivets. Before I was happy if I could aim for the plane, or the wing.
One really cool thing though. On this big screen. At low alt the trees and water look damn near real.
Several reasons why I probably didnt jump in.
There were probably too many after you to make it worth my while.
My base wasnt in danger. Too often I'll see 5-6+ guys chasing one low bird all over creation (and doing it wrong *) like a school of fish with 20 other planes coming in high. And by the time they get that one low bird. they are out of alt, Out of E and out of ammo. So sometimes if practical. Ill take charge of the situation and remove said plane so as to free up the lemmings following the one low plane for the 20 high ones coming in. If the base isnt in danger of attack. Most of the time I wont bother jumping in unless Im really bored. Or I know its someone specific that I want to kill
I might have been going after those 20 high cons to try and delay them and bring them to a more manageable alt till help arrives
I had other fish to fry and you were no immediate threat to me.
Orrrr I could have just been being honorable <S>
* A word on the following the one low con like a school of fish. Too often I see everyone following that one low con as I said "like a school of fish" Meaning they follow him move for move. Unless your one of the 1 or two lead planes doing the chasing. This is not what you want to do.
What you should be doing is anticipating where that low con is going to go. You do this by taking into account where the school of fish is driving him, The terrain and direction of his base. Very frequently you can ascertain where this con is going to end up and be there first.
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If you achieve a .5k/d over the span of a week i will be impressed.
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i think you are going to have double ur usual rearms, or start rearming.
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I'll be modest and give him the thought of being able to achive at least a 1.85 to 1 kill ratio maybe even 2.0+ to 1.....
I have faith in DRED :pray :aok
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I'll be modest and give him the thought of being able to achive at least a 1.85 to 1 kill ratio maybe even 2.0+ to 1.....
I have faith in DRED :pray :aok
That would be impressive.
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I remember Killnu doing this in a 202. I looked it up and he had 68 kills to 10 deaths in it with kills ranging from spits to yaks to even a TBM and a B24. His hit percentage was 13.14 that tour so as long as you hit what you aim for you should be ok :devil
Good Luck !
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I remember Killnu doing this in a 202. I looked it up and he had 68 kills to 10 deaths in it with kills ranging from spits to yaks to even a TBM and a B24. His hit percentage was 13.14 that tour so as long as you hit what you aim for you should be ok :devil
Good Luck !
I saw someone repeatedly landing 3 and 4 kills in a 202 in TT last week.
Granted, when I finally ran across him he had two 205s winging with him. :aok
Bring a wing man or two.
wrongway
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First night up in it. I had something like 9 kills in 16 flights. Didnt do too bad considering that I've probobly flown the 202 more tonight then my entire time here combined.
The only problems I had if you can call it that. was the sea of red guys that all seemed to be attracted to me. and I probably had 4-5 kills stolen from me because of people insisting on clearing my 12:00.
Nice plane. Its only real weakness is its guns
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It is a nice plane....in fact, once I came her from AW it was one of the first I flew. I remember saying how much i liked it and everyone teasing me about my choice. In many ways they were right, but only because of the gun package.
Looking over my old record in 202's a few days ago it seems I had a few bomber kills. A couple lanc's and 24's with a b-17 thrown in. So it can take down bombers but no reason to go hunting for them.
Good luck and have fun
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Might as well try some of the others suggested this month. Give each of them a week
The Ki-61 is a very fun ride and a natural progression from the 202.
The Fm-2 is also very fun. Tough and a great turn fighter.
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Frustrating night last night. Was hard to find a fight where the enemy wasnt spending half is time hiding in the ack. Or that wasnt just full of people that felt it necessary to rescue me from the people I was chasing even after I told em I had them.
Be nice if some of em were as good at clearing my six instead LOL
LOL Im making a list of people I'm going to rob kills from or let get shot down when Im back in my D9. Mostly relatively new names.
Also frustrating when you disassemble a plane to disintegration only to get an assist. Cant help but get the "I've been robbed" feeling
Also notice that as soon as I do get a kill I seem to attract ALOT of attention. Could be my imagination though.
Fun ride, The most frustrating thing lately is simply finding a decent fight. And I dont think that would have changed much even if I were in a more uber plane. Its all been mostly either way too many friendies or way too many enemies with a decent fight or two inbetween.
I think I'll end up doing better then the .5 K/D ratio. That Grizz mentioned But based on how the fights have been overall getting over 1 is going to be problematic at best
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(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m144/dacmon/Gifs%20and%20Emoticons/cheerleader.gif) GO DRED GO ! (http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m144/dacmon/Gifs%20and%20Emoticons/cheerleader.gif)
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Meant to give an AAR last night but got sidetracked with something else.
Was a much better night with much better fights with landings of 3,4 and 3 kills. two of em I remembered to take screen shots of.
By "much better fights" I mean relatively balanced in numbers. Too many friendlies means too many fighting for the same scraps.
Too many enemies means constant gangbangs.
That being said from a manuvering standpoint. Even when being ganged by 2,3& 4 planes with no real hope of survival I found myself able holding my own and as often as not found myself getting killed so much by the planes I was fighting as much as the late arrivals.
Still, win loose or draw. Fun fights.
(http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq198/Drediock/Aces%20High%20Shots/ahss14.jpg)
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One lesson I learned. Cant fire in quick,short bursts. Guess Im too used to the cannons where a quick burst can take a wing off. With the 202 once you get a guns solution and are getting hits. Maintain the burst while getting hits as long as possible. You may not bring him immediately down all the time. But you vastly increase your chances of getting awarded the kill.
BTW Manages to get my K/d up to something like .7020 or something like that.
Lets see if I can maintain or improve on it tonight.
I've got what? 2 days to go?
My goal is 1.0 or better
Dont think I'll quite make it. But Im having fun trying.
But this plane can and will turn with any plane in the game bar none. And you can pull off some pretty amazing maneuvers with it. If this thing had some guns. It would be one of the most uber rides in the game
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Nice job so far. :cheers:
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One lesson I learned. Cant fire in quick,short bursts. Guess Im too used to the cannons where a quick burst can take a wing off. With the 202 once you get a guns solution and are getting hits. Maintain the burst while getting hits as long as possible. You may not bring him immediately down all the time. But you vastly increase your chances of getting awarded the kill.
Another thing. The two 12.7mms fire some weird Italian cartridge with a mouse-size explosive charge. You will notice that they are far more effective at ranges 200 yards and less than they are further out.
- oldman
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The 202 is a "sleeper" and a very capable aircraft. Now the P40B on the other hand is a real MANS POS :)
BTW Dred if you can't find a fight, maybe it's cause you take it to the enemy base, try upping against the cap and gang! I guarantee you'll find plenty-O-fight :salute
JUGgler
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The 202 is a "sleeper" and a very capable aircraft. Now the P40B on the other hand is a real MANS POS :)
BTW Dred if you can't find a fight, maybe it's cause you take it to the enemy base, try upping against the cap and gang! I guarantee you'll find plenty-O-fight :salute
JUGgler
Finding fights is not the problem. Its finding decent fights where there arent an overwhelming number of friendlies or enemies.
Too many friendlies and everyone wants to clear my 12. Or all the enemy is doing is hanging in their ack. Too many enemies and its hopeless of having any kind of chance at all.
Its not the 2 or 3 that bother me so much. Its when the 4th 5th and 6th jump in too.
Had a good 1 V 2 against 2 ponies last night. Think I even have the film of it.
They were high picking on low guys so I attacked them. Or they attacked me I forget which. Anyway They made their passes B&Zing then finally one of em got frustrated and he stayed low trying to turn with me and I got a bunch of hits on him. think I ended up pilot wounding him as suddenly he went straight and level and bugged out on me toward his CV that was off shore.
I initially thought he was just extending while the other one came in for another pass. I avoided that and turned to meet the first one only to see him still flying away.
Went a couple more turns with the other pony. Landed a couple pings on him and I dont know if I wounded him to or if he had other things to do because suddenly he bugged out too.
Ended up with 2 kills that flight. the second one being an F4 that was trying to hit the base. Figured then was a good time to land went gear down and on final when I suddenly realised it had just been captured. I tried to get the hell out of dodge as ack started firing at me. It soon hit and gave me a damned pilot wound and some wing damage.
So I set it on autopilot and headed to the nearest friendly base almost 2 sectors away dealing with the blackouts the whole way. Finally made it to a friendly base and I'm just coming in on final when I got the all too predicable final approach blackout that seems to happen every single time you get a PW. Man I hate those damn PWs about as much as HT hates political chat in the O'club. LOL
Anyway, ended up augering my 2 kills instead of landing them.
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But this plane can and will turn with any plane in the game bar none. And you can pull off some pretty amazing maneuvers with it. If this thing had some guns. It would be one of the most uber rides in the game
205 has the guns and a bit more power. . . its a really great plane that.
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I find the 202 has plenty of power. In fact I often end up reducing throttle a bit once the fight is joined.
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Finding fights is not the problem. Its finding decent fights where there arent an overwhelming number of friendlies or enemies.
That is more and more the situation; either 1v10 or 10v1.
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My best C.202 memory is from way back in 2000 or 2001 during AH1, back before bombers had formations. I saw a large dar bar moving south off to the east of the center island on NDISLES. I figured it was a bomber raid and for some reason I decided to take a C.202. I took off from the base on the SE side of the center island and climbed out to intercept. As gained on the contact, I could see it was a single B-17 being escorted by a P-51 and two F4Us. I know I have no real shot at the bomber, but I figure I can play with the escorts a bit. I bait the escorts by looking like a moron, free kill by climbing my C.202 slowly up the B-17's six. All three take the bait and dive down on me, as soon as they are committed I break turn and engage. First to draw my fire is the P-51, which I shoot up a bit, get a leak on something, radiator I think, and decided I've been on that target a bit long for my health. I break turn away from the '51 just as a bunch of .50 tracers go screaming through where I was. The P-51 puts his nose down and the last I see of him is a dot trailing something. As I tangle with the F4Us we lose altitude, but at about 5,000ft I remove something vital from one of them and he loses control and goes in. The other one lasts until we are in a flat turn, on the deck, with speeds of about 150mph and be gaining position (F4Us didn't have wonder flaps back then), so he decides to make a run for it. F4Us don't accelerate very well and I gun him down, relatively slowly, as he tries to escape.
Landed two kills. Stripped all escort from the B-17. Not bad for something armed with two 12.7mm and two 7.7mm guns.
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That is more and more the situation; either 1v10 or 10v1.
yea I know. Tell me about it :bhead
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OK.
One more night to go to complete the week. Tonight was a mixed bag. Got ganged alot. And killed some. At one point I had K/d at about .78 and had it drop to .6 something.
By the end of the night and thanks to a kill on Vipers F4 and someone elses La7 I managed to get it back up to .7 even.
Had one opponent really surprise and disappoint me. I wont mention who but I think he knows why. No biggie
By tomorrow all will be forgotten with my first flight.
Any event here is where I stand with 1 day to go. Barring an incredible run I dont think a K/d of 1 will be acheived. but its fun trying.
To be clear and one of the reasons why I wont achieve 1 is because of the fights I've been looking for. Fairly balanced with only a slight advantage on either side.
I havent been going for areas where we have pretty much a clear superiority. or with only a few planes in the area unless there was nothing else around Though Im sure they ended up being that at one point or another. On the other hand. the tide has also turned against us at times. So it all balances out.
so here it is. With 1 more night to go
My tally as of this moment
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Good job, except for your hit %. Why on earth is it so low? You should not be firing 202 guns often >200yds and never >300yds. (You will not record any damage) Most shots should be taken in the 100-175yd range, so how can you have a 5% hit? This is not me being a pompous aiming nazi either, it has nothing to do with aim. If you take appropriate ranged shots, you should be able to get 10% easy, even if you have the shakes.
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Would love to shoot closer then that But I gotta shoot where the planes are.
They gotta stop running for help first. LOL
Actually Im kinda semi serious about that. I'll often use long range shots with the bbs in any plane to try to get them to turn. At which point I can get in closer and giver them a full load. So the hit % is probobly a bit misleading. Though I know it could be a lot better even with out that
Also. I'll often suffer from poor aiming overall. Its often the one thing that keeps me from killing the top sticks as well as some of the noobs.
And sometimes I'll hit everything I aim at regardless of range or position. Other times I'll be missing at near point blank range where I dont know how the hell I could have missed because I shouldnt have missed the shot even if I wanted to miss.
Dont think your being pompous at all.
Your aiming skills are well known to me.To me when you talk gunnery. Its like E.F. Hutton. I wish I could hit with the same consistency as you do. And you do so at some pretty amazing angles.(tough shots)
I just havent found that key yet.
In this plane as well as 190's, 109's, P51's and 110's I can regularly score hits up to 400 out.
In fact most of my kills I get are between 300-400. Beyond that I really start missing. And thats where I'll either go for the lucky shot or use the BBs as mentioned above.
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I'd say hit % is 80% shot setup/selection 20% raw aim. I could log on without flying for 6 months and not be able to control the precision of the joystick at all, yet still get a 10% hit based purely on shot setup. Shot setup is purely technique, not much precision involved there. So i squawk at your 'bad aim' notion. We are all capable of good "aim" with proper technique :)
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I'd say hit % is 80% shot setup/selection 20% raw aim. I could log on without flying for 6 months and not be able to control the precision of the joystick at all, yet still get a 10% hit based purely on shot setup. Shot setup is purely technique, not much precision involved there. So i squawk at your 'bad aim' notion. We are all capable of good "aim" with proper technique :)
Either way I'm screwed. :)
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109F
I was going to say 38G but you said no bombers
i think someone is jealous that a bomber can out do them... :)
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I'd say hit % is 80% shot setup/selection 20% raw aim. I could log on without flying for 6 months and not be able to control the precision of the joystick at all, yet still get a 10% hit based purely on shot setup. Shot setup is purely technique, not much precision involved there. So i squawk at your 'bad aim' notion. We are all capable of good "aim" with proper technique :)
So 9990000 sets up his shots? I've never seen him move is plane... he just nails me from 1k out.
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So 9990000 sets up his shots? I've never seen him move is plane... he just nails me from 1k out.
Hah, I was clearly talking about fighters :-/
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So Drediock, what's your next ride going to be? I vote Mosquito Mk6. :)
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upgrade to the 205 and really start to do damage, those 20mm add a lot of punch to a grat plane.
and post some vids. . .pls
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So Drediock, what's your next ride going to be? I vote Mosquito Mk6. :)
Been thinking about that. I'm thinking of checking out the 205 or 109F but. What was second on the list?
Was the last night of the 202 week for me
Tonight a step backwards. got a couple of quality kills but often ended up being either picked or banged. Lost some ground on the K/d finished with something like .68 or something like that.
Anyway. Was alot more fun then I had even hoped for.
Technique is great and important. But if you use good technique gain superior position and still miss. Thats aim LOL
Im not missing by much just a hair too much this way or that. Like I said. some nights its almost like I cant miss. others the pendulum swings in entirely the opposite direction.
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Hah, I was clearly talking about fighters :-/
lol I know what you mean by setting it up...just fluff'n with ya