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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Simaril on January 28, 2011, 09:47:33 AM
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So with this and that, looking for fights and finding hordes, I've been thinking - wouldn't it be nice to have an occasional event in which those whose interests were mostly air to air flew a Grand Sortie together? Sort of a horde-countering-horde?
Now I'm not talking about a grand alliance to end the scourge of <fill in the blank>. The arguably negative trends some see in AH are likely there for reasons beyond our control (the game's built in incentives, the ACM's crazily steep learning curve, Quake mentality, "kids these days"....whatever).
Anyway, it is what it is, and I'm for dealing with reality rather than bemoaning it.
So, like I said, what if a couple dozen or even a half dozen guys who know their way around a cockpit picked a country, took off together, and arrived together as HordeBusters with the simple goal of shooting down red planes. Yeah, if there were wingman tactics that would be great - but back to dealing with reality - lone wolf attacking, kill stealing, shoulder shooting and so forth would be fun too. By getting there together we'd all have a better chance of having some fun without getting a 1v20 "death-by-being-smothered-with-barking-toothless-baby-seals" that usually awaits fights in a horde.
And it would work for all types, from the in the dirt mudders to the pick 'em from the top down killstreakers.
Thoughts?
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You Sir, have a way with words.
Bravo.
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I'd be interested, provided the group;
1. Flies for the lowest numbered or the most out numbered country.
2. The group flies towards the largest concentration of red dar bars.
3. Doesn't drop hangers.
4. Stays off channel 200.
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Del meet Sim
Sim meet Del
gentlemen of like minds
put it together and if I can be there I'm in :D
Might be a bit of an adjustment for me with all those funny looking red thingies above the enemy airplanes ;)
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I'd be interested, provided the group;
1. Flies for the lowest numbered or the most out numbered country.
2. The group flies towards the largest concentration of red dar bars.
3. Doesn't drop hangers.
4. Stays off channel 200.
Sounds like good rules to me.
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Sounds like good rules to me.
I enjoy busting hordes all the time, that being said, I also enjoy joking around on 200 too.
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I'm game. Give us a date and time and I'll try showing up. What vox channel should we use? Would this be the next "Horde Buster Alliance"? Lol.
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I enjoy busting hordes all the time, that being said, I also enjoy joking around on 200 too.
I'm betting Del's main concern is chest thumping and taunting...
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I might be able to talk a few VF-17 sticks into the fray on the side of good and righteousness...just drop a PM with a time and date.
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Any suggestions about best time and day to try something like this?
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night time?
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I'd be interested, provided the group;
1. Flies for the lowest numbered or the most out numbered country.
2. The group flies towards the largest concentration of red dar bars.
3. Doesn't drop hangers.
4. Stays off channel 200.
+1
night time?
Who's night time?
Ohh yeah I'm in!!! :aok
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*head bang
didn't consider that.
I was thinking when the sun went down in the central us. :D
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Sounds familiar. If I'm available, I'll come along as bait. Only problem that seems to occur is once the horde gets busted, it tends to move elsewhere and in extremes to the opposite side of the map.
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" Leeeeeaaannnning...leeeeaaann nning....leaning on...."
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So with this and that, looking for fights and finding hordes, I've been thinking - wouldn't it be nice to have an occasional event in which those whose interests were mostly air to air flew a Grand Sortie together? Sort of a horde-countering-horde?
Now I'm not talking about a grand alliance to end the scourge of <fill in the blank>. The arguably negative trends some see in AH are likely there for reasons beyond our control (the game's built in incentives, the ACM's crazily steep learning curve, Quake mentality, "kids these days"....whatever).
Anyway, it is what it is, and I'm for dealing with reality rather than bemoaning it.
So, like I said, what if a couple dozen or even a half dozen guys who know their way around a cockpit picked a country, took off together, and arrived together as HordeBusters with the simple goal of shooting down red planes. Yeah, if there were wingman tactics that would be great - but back to dealing with reality - lone wolf attacking, kill stealing, shoulder shooting and so forth would be fun too. By getting there together we'd all have a better chance of having some fun without getting a 1v20 "death-by-being-smothered-with-barking-toothless-baby-seals" that usually awaits fights in a horde.
And it would work for all types, from the in the dirt mudders to the pick 'em from the top down killstreakers.
Thoughts?
we used to have mission leaders arrange with other country mission leaders to arrange a horde vs horde... and in diff planes... like spit 16s vs 109k4s, a6ms vs f4us....i think for rooks the mission leader was whiskey or wasp3... that was like a t least 2-3 yeras ago... never had that since... would be nice to tho... horde vs horde..
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Isnt this essentially the wonderful game called "Fighter Sweep" with Sim's caveats? Sounds good
Changeup
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Count me in.
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Interesting idea. Hordes are incredibly hard to truly "bust." Even if the skill of the horde pilots is low, they can still be incredibly successful at base taking against skilled opposition because the game mechanics actually encourage suicide. In other words, it is more effective to drop bombs and die so you can re-up immediately, and anyone can blow by a bunch of defenders in a heavy P-51 or Typhoon. If you truly want to cramp the real estate crowd, then you have to take out the ordnance at all of their proximate airfields, and hit the strat that resupplies them. But then where is your fighter sweep? :)
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*head bang
didn't consider that.
I was thinking when the sun went down in the central us. :D
it never goes down in the central US..just sorta flys over :)
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I guess that's what I meant by not worrying about "defending" or "changing the land grab." Those issues are bigger than we can solve, and are driven by forces stronger than a fighter sweep can address. And like you said - a different death ethic (one side cares if they die, the other doesn't) makes it harder.
Instead, I'm more or less thinking "Fine, they have their base taking. WE like shooting up bad guys, but it'd be more fun for us if there were enough hunters to keep the rest of the zerglings from interfering with my fight."
Bottom line - Even if they take the base, we have fun.
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OK - how would this Sunday pm, 2100 EST/1800 PST work out?
Anticipate assessing the arenas then and picking an arena and country that matches the situation.
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I generally take the weekends off but I'm in Sim. I've been considering doing an MA run just to see how my SA is currently so this sounds like a grand time to do it.
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The game needs more people like Sim to return, great attitude and proactive.
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The amount of class and intellect definitely went up a measurable level upon his return.
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I've done this plenty. Unfortunately what I find most of the time is that when you match a horde with equal opposition, the weaker of the two hordes will quit, leaving one horde bashing the remnants of the previous horde. This is not always the case, but it sucks when you roll a horde busting mission just to become the very thing you were fighting against.
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Well, then, let's make it a go for this Sunday, tomorrow, at 2100 EST
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I don't really take part in missions and haven't for years now but on two recent occasions I set up fighter sweep missions to clear out some heavily attacked fields. One of these we took off with 28 Spit IX's and after a few minutes it was hard to find someone to kill. The other time was about 16 Spit IX's and we didn't fare as well. You never know who's going to sign up for a mission or how good or bad they might be.
Anyway they were both fun and seeing all those Spits in the air was awsome.
I've done this plenty. Unfortunately what I find most of the time is that when you match a horde with equal opposition, the weaker of the two hordes will quit, leaving one horde bashing the remnants of the previous horde. This is not always the case, but it sucks when you roll a horde busting mission just to become the very thing you were fighting against.
Much truth in this. The first time we became the hoard. The second time I was pretty much left alone against the hoard.
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Do it on bishops and you'll have the whole 20th FG flying for you :aok
One of the things we love to do is kill and kill more then kill the killers of the ones we killed which were killed? :headscratch:
We just love killing :D
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I don't really take part in missions and haven't for years now but on two recent occasions I set up fighter sweep missions to clear out some heavily attacked fields. One of these we took off with 28 Spit IX's and after a few minutes it was hard to find someone to kill. The other time was about 16 Spit IX's and we didn't fare as well. You never know who's going to sign up for a mission or how good or bad they might be.
Anyway they were both fun and seeing all those Spits in the air was awsome.
Much truth in this. The first time we became the hoard. The second time I was pretty much left alone against the hoard.
you get bonus points if everyone was in the Pink skin!
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ugh just realized what time that is.. I will be comatose by then :(
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Night of the Hunter is a GO! We're on Bish, vox 148!
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epic fail of a night :lol
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epic fail of a night :lol
My mistakes made it what it was, a furball party. As the hour wore on I realized that wasn't what a good chunk of participants wanted. That was largely because divergent expectations. Mostly my fault, because in my efforts at flexibility i left too many options.
My personal bias was simple - just find a bunch of red dots, and get a bunch of guys together to attack them. I ended up having a good time.
Trouble was, I had used a bunch of other ideas in the proposal, so those who were looking for a classic fighter sweep, or a night of horde busting, were disappointed. Sorry about that, 321Bar. (To make up for it, I'll send a PM to HTC asking for the M18)
Anyway, I'm still game if folks are interested in a true fighter sweep, where we would fly from base A to intercept enemies flying from Base B to attack Base C.
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I was on a long camaro club cruise. Through rain and sunshine. Got on late for a bit.
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sounds like you guys should jump into the AVA for a night.
1. you can fly low numbers, side switching is encouraged.
2. head for the red bars furballs are also encouraged.
3. could care less about hangers its about the fight.
4. well 3 out of 4 aint bad, but the AVA is pretty civilized. we prefer that MA tactics stay in the MA.
we like and encourage civil behavior. something to think about.....
1. Flies for the lowest numbered or the most out numbered country.
2. The group flies towards the largest concentration of red dar bars.
3. Doesn't drop hangers.
4. Stays off channel 200.
just another shameless advertisement for the AVA...... :D
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The point of this however was to bring the "fight" back into the MAs. So switching to AvA would kinda defeat the purpose.