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Title: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: JB88 on February 03, 2011, 05:13:32 PM
a friend of mine pulled this out today.  his uncle brought it back from the war.  thought you might enjoy it.<S>

(http://www.augustbach.com/me262.jpg)
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: Killer91 on February 03, 2011, 05:36:37 PM
Why is 400 on there twice??
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: Masherbrum on February 03, 2011, 05:40:56 PM
Why is 400 on there twice??

IAS up to 400 Km/h and then switches to TAS above 400km/h, if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: JB88 on February 03, 2011, 06:30:33 PM
okay...so the two of us are asking...what the heck it that?
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: Masherbrum on February 03, 2011, 06:41:44 PM
okay...so the two of us are asking...what the heck it that?

Red Needle (IAS - Indicated Air Speed)  works until 400km/h then   (see below)
 
Black portion currently below 400 (TAS - True Air Speed) takes over (not sure if IAS continues)
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: VAMPIRE 2? on February 03, 2011, 06:44:18 PM
IAS- indicated air speed?  TAS--True air speed? :uhoh
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: JB88 on February 03, 2011, 06:51:30 PM
two guys just went...huh.  well there it is.

:)

thanks!
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: JB88 on February 03, 2011, 06:52:11 PM
how much would that be worth?  we wonder...
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: sunfan1121 on February 03, 2011, 07:09:38 PM
I'll start the bidding at 20$.  :D
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: B4Buster on February 03, 2011, 07:20:20 PM
<--jealous!!! thanks for sharing
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: cactuskooler on February 03, 2011, 07:33:39 PM
how much would that be worth?  we wonder...

This eBay seller specializes in Luftwaffe items.

I didn't see your gauge on his listings but he has this airspeed gauge.
http://cgi.ebay.com/WW2-German-Fahrtmesser-Fl-22240-Me109-Fw190-Me110-RARE-/370458330577?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56410985d1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/WW2-German-Fahrtmesser-Fl-22240-Me109-Fw190-Me110-RARE-/370458330577?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56410985d1)

I don't know whether or not it's worth as much as he is asking. I'd imagine your would be similar in price, if not more.
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: Fencer51 on February 03, 2011, 07:54:54 PM
Very interesting, where did the tag on it come from? 

The reason I ask is that the 262 was not even into production and was still in the prototype phase in May 1943.

Maybe that says May 1945 and his relative removed it from a plane at an occupied airfield?
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: MarineUS on February 03, 2011, 07:59:43 PM
could have sworn i replied earlier...oh well


Awesome find. Great piece of history right there :) :)
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: JB88 on February 03, 2011, 08:10:26 PM
upon careful inspection we are at odds on the writing.  i think it looks like 45...

the story goes...he was a machine gun repairman and came across the downed 262 in germany and the supply seargeant and others stripped it.  this was the piece he brought home.  (i know this is true as i have seen other things which i will not list here that would blow your mind.  i knew him and it's definately legit. )


if you look at the tag you can see the date and decide for yourself. 

it is in his handwriting.
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: MarineUS on February 03, 2011, 08:17:01 PM
looks like a 3

EDIT: Zoomed in, it's a 3 :)
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: JB88 on February 03, 2011, 08:19:26 PM
p.s. -

(http://www.augustbach.com/44.jpg)
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: sunfan1121 on February 03, 2011, 08:23:49 PM
looks like a 3

EDIT: Zoomed in, it's a 3 :)
Looks like 5 to me.
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: Banshee7 on February 03, 2011, 08:25:27 PM
Even when zoomed in I think it's a 5.  What makes it look like a 3 is the writer might have drug the pen when transitioning from the 4 (and the way the 4 is written, it makes sense).
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: MachFly on February 03, 2011, 08:29:24 PM
IAS up to 400 Km/h and then switches to TAS above 400km/h, if I'm not mistaken.

If you can make it show TAS instead of IAS why not make the whole thing show TAS?
Perhaps after 400 it shows EAS? But I don't think the technology to show it existed at the time.
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: MachFly on February 03, 2011, 08:53:10 PM
IAS- indicated air speed?  TAS--True air speed? :uhoh
okay...so the two of us are asking...what the heck it that?

IAS - Indicated Airspeed: Airspeed that is shown on your airspeed indicator.
CAS - Calibrated Airspeed: IAS corrected for instrument error.
TAS - True Airspeed: Speed at which your aircraft moves though the air.
EAS - Equivalent Airspeed: At high speeds & altitudes IAS & CAS read incorrectly due to compression. EAS shows the airspeed as it would be at sea level.
GS - Ground Speed: Speed at which your aircraft moves over the ground.
Mach: Your speed in relation to the speed of sound at the given altitude & pressure.  


Hope this helps.
  
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: JOACH1M on February 03, 2011, 09:55:33 PM
how much would that be worth?  we wonder...
500$ cash
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: Old Sport on February 03, 2011, 09:57:16 PM
Like the Allies were wandering around Europe in May of 1943...

 :D
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: Masherbrum on February 03, 2011, 11:16:47 PM
If you can make it show TAS instead of IAS why not make the whole thing show TAS?
Perhaps after 400 it shows EAS? But I don't think the technology to show it existed at the time.

From what I have read, this is how the 262 gauge was.   Am I saying I'm 100% right?   Nope.   But am I saying that it is what I have read on it?   Yep.     :bhead
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: 5PointOh on February 03, 2011, 11:28:25 PM
Stop reading Jay!
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: Guppy35 on February 04, 2011, 02:02:07 AM
Has to be 1945.
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: MarineUS on February 04, 2011, 03:46:15 AM
(http://i55.tinypic.com/mbh1k6.jpg)

It's a 3

I followed the pixels with dots so you can see the outline. When zoomed in you can tell by the pixels where it's going. :)
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: palef on February 04, 2011, 03:50:27 AM
Nah, that's a lazy 5.
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: SouthLanda on February 04, 2011, 03:56:43 AM
Come on guys, this is an AH aviation forum, where is your knowledge of history?

Of course it says 1945.
The allies were swarming over Germany.

D'day wasnt until 1944 and you all know it.
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: Masherbrum on February 04, 2011, 07:56:54 AM
Come on guys, this is an AH aviation forum, where is your knowledge of history?

Of course it says 1945.
The allies were swarming over Germany.

D'day wasnt until 1944 and you all know it.

I'm calling shenanigans!    :uhoh
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: captain1ma on February 04, 2011, 08:24:18 AM
"The Me-262-V1 was finally fitted with a pair of BMW-003 turbojets, each with 5.40 kN (550 kgp / 1,200 lbf) thrust, in November 1941. The Jumo 210G piston engine was retained, which was fortunate, since the turbojet engines were hopelessly unreliable. On 25 March 1942, Messerschmitt test pilot Fritz Wendel took off and suffered immediate failures of both turbojets. He managed to make a go-round on the piston engine and land, damaging the aircraft but suffering no injury himself. "

http://www.vectorsite.net/avme262.html (http://www.vectorsite.net/avme262.html)
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: bcadoo on February 04, 2011, 10:14:31 AM
Perhaps may 1943 is the date of manufacture of the part?
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: NormH3 on February 04, 2011, 10:22:56 AM
Maybe you should contact these guys.

http://www.stormbirds.com/project/index.html
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: Westy on February 04, 2011, 11:59:01 AM
I think it says '1843'

It's a well known fact (saw it on the history Channel!) that Hitler and the
Nazi's had alien ufo technology by '43. They used it to tele-transport one
of the early, but rendered obsolete, 262s back in time during an experiment.
Then they used the results to build space/time crafts such as these.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iq2vQY1Jeaw/TOVx6aY1yII/AAAAAAAAWxc/D_d9fdEWHfQ/s400/naziUFO1.jpg)
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: BoilerDown on February 04, 2011, 12:43:15 PM
I think it says '1843'

If you look closer its obviously 1845.
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: Motherland on February 04, 2011, 04:59:36 PM
'262 German jet airspeed indicator, 'Something' (a place name I'd imagine). 2. May 1945 (3?)'
While it does look kind of three like, the impression pattern does not make any sense for a three, and I don't think there were any anglophones in German territory in 1943.
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: LLogann on February 05, 2011, 01:11:30 PM
If it were stripped off a bird, the tag indicates the catalog date (or the date that it was taken) 
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: Big Rat on February 05, 2011, 01:32:28 PM
p.s. -

(http://www.augustbach.com/44.jpg)

Want pictures of that as well please :D

 :salute
BigRat
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: outbreak on February 05, 2011, 02:41:27 PM
After careful examination and review of this photo @ 600% zoom in Adobe Photoshop you can clearly see it is a 5, I outlined it while still in 600% zoom with a 1 pixel brush and this was the result:

Before:
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2535/me2621.jpg)

After:
(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/6562/me262.jpg)
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: MarineUS on February 05, 2011, 10:01:28 PM
After careful examination and review of this photo @ 600% zoom in Adobe Photoshop you can clearly see it is a 5, I outlined it while still in 600% zoom with a 1 pixel brush and this was the result:

Before:
(http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/2535/me2621.jpg)

After:
(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/6562/me262.jpg)
Yes if you draw it like that, but if you look at it you see the ink go to the right. Doesn't go left until it goes down. The pixels don't lie. :)
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: outbreak on February 05, 2011, 10:17:35 PM
Maybe this can clear it up :)

(http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/1990/me2623.jpg)
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: MarineUS on February 06, 2011, 12:55:25 AM
my pens don't always do that lol :P

Hmmm...TRACK THE SERIAL NUMBER!!!  :rock
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: Ping on February 06, 2011, 07:04:35 AM
Where is Nancy Drew when you need her?
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: Coronado on February 06, 2011, 10:49:23 AM
Im just thinkin about the guy shytinhisbritches at 1000kmh
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: Megalodon on February 06, 2011, 11:51:33 AM
Little bit more clear pic

(http://aircraft-cockpits.com/images/asi%20FL22241.jpg)

"Running of the Fl22245 altitude compensated Airspeed indicator, this instrument contains two instruments in one case to provide IAS up to 400 Km/h and then swaps to TAS above 400km/h through the use of two needles and a small cover. Extremely clever and an excellent instrument"

watch it work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VmOwnV9-cs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VmOwnV9-cs)

 :salute

Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: Banshee7 on February 06, 2011, 01:34:11 PM
my pens don't always do that lol :P

You've got the uber Post-war pens, though  :bolt:
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: STEELE on February 06, 2011, 03:40:41 PM
whoo that would look nice in a simpit
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: MarineUS on February 08, 2011, 01:16:04 AM

watch it work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VmOwnV9-cs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VmOwnV9-cs)

 :salute

Flying house!!!
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: dstrip2 on February 08, 2011, 01:47:01 AM
omg man that dude has uber house has to be the classical in background how can it take 700mph?!? i bet he lost shingles  :bolt:

lmao

nice find though man thats the kind of thing i wish was being passed down in my family.
we do have an m1 garand and m1 carbine though, bayonets and slings and all. garand is a cannon of a gun lol. fun to blast stuff at the range with either one. gives your imagination some more concrete things to go by when watchin band of brothers or military/history channel. would post pics but dont know how =(
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: MarineUS on February 08, 2011, 05:16:49 AM
omg man that dude has uber house has to be the classical in background how can it take 700mph?!? i bet he lost shingles  :bolt:

lmao

nice find though man thats the kind of thing i wish was being passed down in my family.
we do have an m1 garand and m1 carbine though, bayonets and slings and all. garand is a cannon of a gun lol. fun to blast stuff at the range with either one. gives your imagination some more concrete things to go by when watchin band of brothers or military/history channel. would post pics but dont know how =(

I envy you....the M1 Garand is my all time favorite weapon. I told my platoon Sgt. that I would rather have one of those in Afghanistan than my M16.

And Man I'm surprised he didn't compress  :O
Title: Re: airspeed indicator ME-262 shot down may 1943
Post by: dstrip2 on February 08, 2011, 12:05:48 PM
I envy you....the M1 Garand is my all time favorite weapon. I told my platoon Sgt. that I would rather have one of those in Afghanistan than my M16.

And Man I'm surprised he didn't compress  :O

yeah the range we shot at had a torso sized flat rock about 250 yards back that stuck up at 45 degree angle. best target ever lol. can really appreciate the power of that gun by seeing just how much rock gets turned to a fountain of dust each shot.

i use it for deer hunting and can feel safe knowing that a full clip can handle any big mean animal(s) that might be around in the woods.

< /thread jack >

 :airplane: