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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Shane on February 06, 2011, 06:01:21 PM
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See Rule #4
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Shane,
Not sure what 'weaksauce' means....but i was in there with you and agree it was pretty lopsided on all afternoon. I got a bit fed up too...but I suck anyway..LOL. You at least made a good show of it.
I am certainly no old timer, but I have been flying AvA a lot the past month. I have never seen those guys (or you for that matter) in the AvA.
I tried to chat with you on Vox - don't know if you heard me or not.
Them trees kept jumping out in front of me!
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I personally prefer the no enemy icons. It adds to the challenge of target tracking IMO. On the other hand, if it was all gang bang, I can understand the frustration. Sometimes you just have to ask in the All Channel for some people to switch to even sides. Organizing a vox channel for your country mates to tune to will help aid in coordinating attacks and such. It will also help reduce gang bangs if the opposing country is also working in groups.
What on earth is "weaksauce"? :headscratch:
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cut heinz with water by 75% ;)
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No icon setting is weaksauce... always was.
Plus I see it's still gangbang lamer heaven 4 v 1.
Guess you'll not have to worry about seeing me in there.
<let me save you time. :noid :banana: :neener: :ahand :bhead :aok >
give it another shot dood. if you were getting ganged......that is actually a rarity in there. you do however have ot watch out for wingmen.... :noid
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Shane your entitled to your opinion. Nobody should knock you for that, to each their own.
Let me leave you with this Shane... The many before you who have posted the same(including me), have now become regulars.... if you keep trying it out, it grows on you. :aok
It takes some time, no icons is defiantly not the path of least resistance. Yet for many, in the end its worth the effort.
I hope you join us for another try.
:salute
RaVe
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Plus I see it's still gangbang lamer heaven 4 v 1.
Shane, you know it has to be at least 3 vs 1 for you, for it to be any fun :D ( fun for you :O that is)
but seriously, 4 vs 1 is a little lame, unless they knew they were up against "Shane" :rofl
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Didn't this thread happen last week? :headscratch:
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I've heard the name Shane before, so I will tone down my statement a bit...
What's lame is one or more LW boyz coming in, flying for an hour (two hours, an afternoon, whatever), and then calling the arena "weaksauce" or "lame" or "unskilled" after one attempt. I can say the same thing about LW, or any arena for that matter.
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No icon setting is weaksauce... always was.
Plus I see it's still gangbang lamer heaven 4 v 1.
Guess you'll not have to worry about seeing me in there.
<let me save you time. :noid :banana: :neener: :ahand :bhead :aok >
Give it a fair chance, you may come to like the challenge of no icons. There are a whole lot of great guys (the vast majority) in the AvA who play with fairness, civility, and are a lot of fun to play with and against. The gangbanging that you complain about comes from MA folks who bring their bad habits in with them.
If you decide the AvA isn't for you, don't let the door hit ya on the way out and enjoy the same old MA play. :salute
Plus, if you can manage to get over yourself a bit, life will be somewhat less stressful.
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Let me help you weird AvA fellows out. Weaksauce = [basically] incredibly lame.
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Didn't this thread happen last week? :headscratch:
Yeah, Shifty, it seems it's at least a monthly occurrence every time someone stumbles through the AvA front door, realizes they are in the wrong place, and starts slinging mud to cover their exit to the MAs. :salute
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Let me help you weird AvA fellows out. Weaksauce = [basically] incredibly lame.
i'm proud to be weird. :aok
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Let me help you current AvsA players out
Shane has alot more time flying in the CT/AvsA than most of ya'll....... except for people like Oldman, Shifty, Jaeger1, 1Duke1, etc......
he has only been away from the game for a little bit, nothing more ( well except the "no icons AvsA", which wasn't here when he took an absence )
edit: oh yeah, Shane has a way of getting in to peoples puny little heads :devil ..... that means he can smack talk ya and get you off your game if you let him.....
doesn't matter though, he posted in the opening post we would not be seeing him back..... which is a shame really.... he is always a great fight, and is even great a winging together if you know his traits....
had fun tonight, Oldman, NrRaven .... hopefully ya'll can stay online longer with me next time :salute :cheers:
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Sounds like someone got waxed
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Shane, come back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL4LWt2KUB8
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Let me help you current AvsA players out
Shane has alot more time flying in the CT/AvsA than most of ya'll....... except for people like Oldman, Shifty, Jaeger1, 1Duke1, etc......
he has only been away from the game for a little bit, nothing more ( well except the "no icons AvsA", which wasn't here when he took an absence )
edit: oh yeah, Shane has a way of getting in to peoples puny little heads :devil ..... that means he can smack talk ya and get you off your game if you let him.....
doesn't matter though, he posted in the opening post we would not be seeing him back..... which is a shame really.... he is always a great fight, and is even great a winging together if you know his traits....
had fun tonight, Oldman, NrRaven .... hopefully ya'll can stay online longer with me next time :salute :cheers:
So your saying shane is actually storch?
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Yeah, Shifty, it seems it's at least a monthly occurrence every time someone stumbles through the AvA front door, realizes they are in the wrong place, and starts slinging mud to cover their exit to the MAs. :salute
I think Bug asked the question about the thread, and you guys would be well served to heed what TequilaChaser says... Shane would wipe the floor three or four of your average AvA pilots at the same time. He's no noob or old guy with bad eyesight. Plus if Rammey can get in your head Shane can make it explode. :lol
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Not sure what "weaksauce" refers to but I was in last night and there was a bit more piling on than usual. I still had a blast though..seems I'm staying alive a little longer these days. I never did understand the "this sux..Im leaving" posts. Most of us don't really care.
I did notice some different gameid's last night..at least different too me. I think more are trying AvA...for every one thats lost...2 more hang around
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Sounds like someone got waxed
waxed, cleaned and buffed!
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Eh... I may wander in now and then to check things out...
but answer me this - why do we have friendly icons on? Leave dot dar, but remove all icons? Why not? Ahhhhh. Friendly icons give a huge advantage in those gangbangs as you can key off on what your friendlies are doing.
This argument has been made repeatedly I'm sure - and it still holds up, one's eyes > monitor. Sure I could get used to it, but why?
There's a reason one can toggle through icon modes, if *you* want to play without icons, nothing stops you as an individual.
Eh... it's your playground.
<edited to add film - when did photobucket get all pissy about file type?>
http://www.mediafire.com/?wfgvue2w5p2wh5v
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shane, you're one of the best pilots i've ever gone up against. while my skill level is so severely lacking that i have no right to even be in the same arena as you, its your choice to decide whats right for you. We all happen to like no icons and you dont, and thats fine. we would hope that you would give it another shot some time in the future but for now if its not your cup of tea, you're welcome to that opinion.
its not always 1 V 4 but, it can be. when it is, it sucks and even i leave. but tomorrow is another day. hopefully you'll stick your head in there again sometime and test the waters on a better day.
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Hey Shane, good to see you.
While I agree that enemy icons off and friendly on, you get an advantage when entering a furball, however, it is a different set up when you are 1vs1 or 1vs2 etc. That is where I find the challenge.
It would be great to see you here more often.
cheers,
RTR
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Let me help you current AvsA players out
Shane has alot more time flying in the CT/AvsA than most of ya'll....... except for people like Oldman, Shifty, Jaeger1, 1Duke1, etc......
he has only been away from the game for a little bit, nothing more ( well except the "no icons AvsA", which wasn't here when he took an absence )
edit: oh yeah, Shane has a way of getting in to peoples puny little heads :devil ..... that means he can smack talk ya and get you off your game if you let him.....
doesn't matter though, he posted in the opening post we would not be seeing him back..... which is a shame really.... he is always a great fight, and is even great a winging together if you know his traits....
had fun tonight, Oldman, NrRaven .... hopefully ya'll can stay online longer with me next time :salute :cheers:
i know he's been around a long time......and don't give a dam. he is who he is. the AvA arena is absolutely the BEST arena in this game to fly in.
he got ganged.....we all have. if he's here crying after getting ganged, what's he gonna do when he gets picked?
just get back in the arena, and have fun........don't friggin come here crying about it. especially in the BoB set up........the last time one of them was run, it was the most fun i'd had in a single engine plane. and yes, i did get ganged in a 3 or 4 -1.
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The friendly icon distance has been shortened from the default. I believe we decided to leave it on so that you can tell who your friendlies are as individuals, not to give a ganging advantage.
Yes, a young WWII pilots eyes would have been better than the monitor image we get, so we realize it's not entirely realistic but neither are neon billboards. It's just a choice that seems to add some excitement and immersion to the game.
While not for everyone, on balance we think it has improved the arenas popularity, as it is distinctly different from other arenas.
As far as ganging, picking and other "weak sauce," if you know of another arena where that's never going to happen, that might be the place to go.
We think game play is better here or at least certainly no worse in general than anywhere else.
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I've just come back myself, messed round the different arenas, but so far the only one I've enjoyed is AVA.
It's true the no-icon thing is quite gamey, but that's down to the limits of monitor resolution. I couldn't see the cons at all until i turned off anti-aliasing.
As for the ganging - numbers are so low they vary a lot across the two sides. Plus, low numbers mean people can be impatient to finally get into a scrap (particularly those taking a low fuel load). I've already been caught by a few four on ones, and i've sometime been guilty of not passing over a fight when i should (though to be honest some AVA guys are so good i'd never get them down in a 1v1).
Getting ganged is realism too, forces me to keep my speed up, weigh my options before committing to a fight or upping with cons inbound on the field. In the MA it pisses me off, in the AVA i honestly don't mind it, even enjoy the challenge.
At the same time i've seen so much chivalric behavior that i was even inspired to let a smoking 109 go and land yesterday, against all my instincts!
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personally i don't give a rat's behind who shane is or how long he's been around...doesn't make him anything but a good gamer, just like hundreds of others who have come and gone...sure doesn't mean he deserves anything that everyone else doesn't.
fact is you can get ganged in any of the arenas where there are more than 2 people in...no reason to make a big deal out of it...the same "gangtard" complaints get posted in the general discussion forum on a regular basis...imo, it would have been a different story if someone had asked shane for his opinion in a public discussion, but that didn't happen.
but answer me this - why do we have friendly icons on? Leave dot dar, but remove all icons? Why not? Ahhhhh. Friendly icons give a huge advantage in those gangbangs as you can key off on what your friendlies are doing.
some of the settings are "concessions" based on playability...the dot dar is on as a concession so players can find a fight fast and bar dar alone does not work well...it has been tried.
in an arena with only 2 sides, there is really no need for an icon to identify a foe...no enemy icons and short range friendly icons makes learning how to correctly identify friend from foe at distances beyond icon range a necessity for success...it can be a challenge but, just like learning how to stir you joystick better than everyone else, it gets easier with time.
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but answer me this - why do we have friendly icons on? Leave dot dar, but remove all icons? Why not? Ahhhhh. Friendly icons give a huge advantage in those gangbangs as you can key off on what your friendlies are doing.
It's not like YOUR friendly icons are off...
And like has been said already...as MA players wander in, they bring along the MA mentality and baggage. If they stay long enough to see what it's all about, things tend to go back to the balance of people switching to even things out and people staying out if it's already a lopsided fight.
Oh, and (not directed at you Shane, just a generalization here)...it's more fun for everyone if ego and Intardnet-tuffboi attitudes are checked at the lobby before entering. :aok
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Eh... I may wander in now and then to check things out...
That sounds good, hopefully I'll catch ya online.......
i know he's been around a long time......and don't give a dam. he is who he is. the AvA arena is absolutely the BEST arena in this game to fly in.
he got ganged.....we all have. if he's here crying after getting ganged, what's he gonna do when he gets picked?
personally i don't give a rat's behind who shane is or how long he's been around...doesn't make him anything but a good gamer, just like hundreds of others who have come and gone...sure doesn't mean he deserves anything that everyone else doesn't.
it doesn't bother me if people care who Shane is or not, what bothers me is all the newer people acting as if they have something "Special" in the AvsA and think every Tom, Dick, or Harry coming in to this AvsA is just another noob or some MA flyer who is here by mistake or just here to test the waters.......... when in all honesty, most of the people you have learned from and gotten better by probably learned or got their arse's waxed repeatedly by someone like Shane or Urchin or Leviathn or 1Duke1 or Eagler the list goes on..... until they learned to hold their own against them.... those people are the ones that the newer people are learning from 4 yrs ago, 3yrs ago, 1yr ago....etc......... while you might not care who he is, I do.... and a lot of others in the AvsA does as well......
as for Shane, he smack talks, and does it with only the game in mind, as I said before, it is part of getting in your head and getting you off your game, as Shifty kindly backed me up on.... but one thing I can say, if you get a chance to fight Shane and want to better your cartoon plane flying skillz, ask him to practice with you, any where any arena, and learn how to maneuver these pixels.....
So your saying shane is actually storch?
umm........ I could of sworn you were........ :devil
btw.... I'm no angel, I too have come here numerous times angry over the fact I had to fight 4 / 5 / 7 / 8 to 1 in the AvsA, and I am sure Shane knows the AvsA (at least in the past ) is/was the best arena to fly in..... alot of others have also done the exact same..... just saying
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shane, you're one of the best pilots i've ever gone up against. while my skill level is so severely lacking that i have no right to even be in the same arena as you
ROFL.. quit acting like you don't know how to push a pixel around :airplane:.. you have as much right to be anywhere in any arena as anyone else ( includes anyone & everyone ) :cheers:
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Let me help you current AvsA players out
Shane has alot more time flying in the CT/AvsA than most of ya'll....... except for people like Oldman, Shifty, Jaeger1, 1Duke1, etc......
he has only been away from the game for a little bit, nothing more ( well except the "no icons AvsA", which wasn't here when he took an absence )
edit: oh yeah, Shane has a way of getting in to peoples puny little heads :devil ..... that means he can smack talk ya and get you off your game if you let him.....
doesn't matter though, he posted in the opening post we would not be seeing him back..... which is a shame really.... he is always a great fight, and is even great a winging together if you know his traits....
had fun tonight, Oldman, NrRaven .... hopefully ya'll can stay online longer with me next time :salute :cheers:
Heh. Shane is one of AH's legends, both for his flying and for his irascibility. He's been away for a couple of years now, I believe; pretty nice to see he may be making a reappearance. I figure he's criticizing the AvA no icons both because it's his nature to criticize nearly everything, and because - like most very successful AH vets - he finds that he relies on icons a lot more than he expected.
Anyway, he's a common slobberdonkey, don't let him agitate you.
And TC that was amazing 110 flying on your part. Try coming in a bit earlier, the oldman has to log at 11 during the week.
- oldman
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i don't think i'm special,.....and i truly don't believe anyone else in the ava thinks they are either.
i know he's been around a long time, and could mop the arena with my cartoon ass. i still don't care. come in, have a good time like the rest of us.
BTW...wasn't it shane that posted a video a couple of years ago, showing that deliberate collisions were indeed possible?
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CAP, you are special, in your own way... everyone is.
but I was refering to the arena with the "Special" comment, I was not calling anyone special or saying people think they are special....
OM,
I found last night the Ju87 with (2) 250 KG and a 1000 KG bomb with 25% fuel, maneuvers just as good as a spit 1.... it just has weak guns like a 202....
will try and come earlier next time....
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Heh. Shane is one of AH's legends, both for his flying and for his irascibility. He's been away for a couple of years now, I believe; pretty nice to see he may be making a reappearance. I figure he's criticizing the AvA no icons both because it's his nature to criticize nearly everything, and because - like most very successful AH vets - he finds that he relies on icons a lot more than he expected.
Anyway, he's a common slobberdonkey, don't let him agitate you.
And TC that was amazing 110 flying on your part. Try coming in a bit earlier, the oldman has to log at 11 during the week.
- oldman
eh....my posts this morning are a little more abrasive than normal for me.....i'm tired, it's monday, and think i may have woken up on the wrong side of the bed..........that being said, there's still no reason for a longtime vet to spend 1 night in the arena, and then act like an bellybutton here....and then people seem to want to stick up for that since he's a vet, and a good cartoon pile-it. those 2 things, and $1.00 will get him a decent cup of coffee though.
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*wanders in looks around*
Anybody want a Jolly Rancher? I've got bags of th... Ohhhh look that may be a beer in that thread over there
*wanders out*
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Heh. Shane is one of AH's legends, for his irascibility.
I figure he's criticizing the AvA no icons both because it's his nature to criticize nearly everything,
Anyway, he's a common slobberdonkey, don't let him agitate you.
- oldman
OM knows how to deal with Shane, and understands him..... ROFL.....
look at Shane's location: it really explains it all..... ROFL.....
I apologize if it looks like I am sticking up for him, I did not mean for it to look that way...... Shane can easily stick up and speak for himself......
as far as him acting like an bellybutton in here....... I haven't seen it. but I also have bad eyesight ;)
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tc, we do have something special in the ava...only 2 sides...different settings than the ma's and sea's...not crowded...lots of frustration...a few laughs here and there...even free crayons and a helmet...
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...even free crayons and a helmet...
I didn't receive my free crayons and helmet yet.
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tc, we do have something special in the ava...only 2 sides...different settings than the ma's and sea's...not crowded...lots of frustration...a few laughs here and there...even free crayons and a helmet...
hey!! i didn't get a free helmet!! :cry
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*sticks head back in
and Jolly Ranchers
*goes back to tracking that beer
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*goes back to tracking that beer
I had you pegged as a white zinfandel kinda guy. :banana:
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hey!! i didn't get a free helmet!! :cry
We figured your standard-issue hockey helmet that you wear on the short bus would suffice. :neener:
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*sticks head back in
and Jolly Ranchers
*goes back to tracking that beer
it's too early for beer.
i've drank 3 bottles of water, and 2 cans of pepsi so far though.......
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"in your puny minds" and "weak sauce" is merely an indicator of attitude. It doesn't matter how long the guy has been around our pixel plane world. Being an intentional agitator is an inadequate trait and doesn't contribute anything positive in here or anywhere else. If complaining is his norm, then by all means, move along to the MAs.
Legend.....not.
I've not witnessed anyone in the AvA who has taken on the "special" moniker. I do see a group of "no icon" like minded guys who readily welcome and help new faces that are looking for a new experience. When the occasional sour attitude shows up, there is plenty of patience and acceptance. After all, we each pay our own $14.95 a month. But when someone chooses to throw a turd in the punch bowl, there's going to be response.
Not the thing legends are made of....bad memories, yes. :salute
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I think Bug asked the question about the thread, and you guys would be well served to heed what TequilaChaser says... Shane would wipe the floor three or four of your average AvA pilots at the same time. He's no noob or old guy with bad eyesight. Plus if Rammey can get in your head Shane can make it explode. :lol
Everybody knows you're my shade, when I feel like being a jerk online.
Why am I talking to myself?? :headscratch:
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Eh... it's your playground.
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It was an empty playground for quite a long time before the no icons.
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Some people don't like the newest incarnation of the AvA first time around.
Then later it grows on them and they become fans.
Others never like it, to which I say "Ok then, thanks for giving it a try."
I have a lot of respect for the CT veterans, but many of them left.
It's wrong to deride us "Johnny come lately's"
We are the one's who are currently here, trying to build a community.
<S> to all new and old.
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Everybody knows you're my shade, when I feel like being a jerk online.
Why am I talking to myself?? :headscratch:
That makes me the only tard who can't shoot his own shade down.
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*comes back in, opens locker, digs around a bit, slams door*
It was an EMPTY BEER CAN :furious
*swills gatorade*
So what's going on in here? Oh wait I see. Hmm *digs in locker some more*
Anybody up for Scrabble?
And Bug I do not care for wine thank you. Now be a good squad mate and go club someone over the head with a lead pipe. :neener:
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ok...here's my take on it.
i was somewhat afraid to try this arena. i had bad impressions(i couldn't have been more wrong) of jaeger1, and the jg54. i knew there were no icons in there. i was afraid my cartoon ego would get hurt. i figured i sucked in the mw arena, how the hell would i handle no icons?
whelp....lemme tell ya. i couldn't ask for a better bunch of internet dweeb cartoon pile-its to fly/fight with. the lack of icons has removed most of the timid flying i used to do in the mw arena.
we get a new map every single week. we get a decent FUN limited plane set which changes each week. we get weather. we get awesome maps from usranger. we get good clean fun fights. we get custom set ups, almost like mini-special events.
most importantly of all, we have a dedicated staff in here all of whom work their tulips off to make this a great place to play for all of us. they listen to anything anyone suggests.
if it weren't for the ava, i sincerely think i'd be taking another vacation from this game.
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This propaganda report brought to you courtesy of Jeager1 and JG54.......... :D
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simply because redundancy is our friend.
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Well shane I agree that one you did get ganged but the next 2 you were on your own.......................... ..?
http://www.mediafire.com/?8wfi1shvii7rn6y (http://www.mediafire.com/?8wfi1shvii7rn6y)
Edit: youll have to fast forward a bit lengthy flight.
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*comes back in, opens locker, digs around a bit, slams door*
It was an EMPTY BEER CAN :furious
*swills gatorade*
So what's going on in here? Oh wait I see. Hmm *digs in locker some more*
Anybody up for Scrabble?
And Bug I do not care for wine thank you. Now be a good squad mate and go club someone over the head with a lead pipe. :neener:
im up for some scrabble...ill make my proffesional word using all the "X" and "Q" letters, dont even bother looking it up because its not in the dictionary its that good...
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oh we can make up words now?
;)
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Holy Zeus. Was that a posting from Shhaaannneee? Frac
Oldman, you're right and I loose the bet. Next fishing trip is on me. :D
To each their own I guess but flying nokon means u gotta have eyes in the back of ur head.
Shaaneee.. Shooooo now this is starting out 2 be a good week. :x
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im up for some scrabble...ill make my proffesional word using all the "X" and "Q" letters, dont even bother looking it up because its not in the dictionary its that good...
quixotic... that was easy :lol
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*sticks head back in
and Jolly Ranchers
*goes back to tracking that beer
:rofl
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Shane might be abrasive but he knows his stuff. Although he may come across wrong he would gladly take you and teach you a few things. He is a very good trainer. The way i see it.. if old timers keep coming in here saying the same thing bashing the arena maybe you should listen to what they are saying. The AvA is not the elite arena. It is not the best arena. At times it can be the worst arena.
I really appreciate what the setup folks are trying to do but consider this one thing... Some of use have been flying in here for some 10 12 years and we have seen most every set up there is. They only real change in the AvA is the people. we come and go. No icons.. done it... rolling plane sets.... done it... no dar... done it... Pretty much know what worked and what didnt. The ganging thing has always been an issue. No way to fix it with a setup.. The only way to correct it is with the people who fly there regularly. If a horde of ma folks come in regulars should switch sides... If you stay on the side with high numbers as a regular you are wrong plain and simple.
Shane makes me laugh although long ago we used to go at it cus he would bash me for being a noob. oneday i asked him to show me his reversal and merges...he has never bashed me again....What is funny is that most of the insults you see in AH come from him...
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When I first got involved here in AvA a year or so ago it was a total ghost town.
There was even a lot of talk about just scrapping the whole concept.
After a lot of hard work by a lot of volunteers it is now once again viable, still a long way to go but light years ahead of where it was when I first started flying here.
Now I'm not singling anyone out, but for anyone, even the big name elite old time pilots of the AH world who abandoned it years ago to come in now and say that it sucks and we are doing it all wrong, is just not going to elicit favorable responses.
Critiques and suggestions that are constructive in nature will fare much better.
Anyone who is honest, will acknowledge that there are no new ideas under the sun.
Anything we do has of course been tried before, but recycled ideas in certain combinations can work better at some times than others.
:salute
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THere is a pretty big difference between being abrasive, and being an ass.
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When I first got involved here in AvA a year or so ago it was a total ghost town.
There was even a lot of talk about just scrapping the whole concept.
After a lot of hard work by a lot of volunteers it is now once again viable, still a long way to go but light years ahead of where it was when I first started flying here.
Now I'm not singling anyone out, but for anyone, even the big name elite old time pilots of the AH world who abandoned it years ago to come in now and say that it sucks and we are doing it all wrong, is just not going to elicit favorable responses.
Critiques and suggestions that are constructive in nature will fare much better.
Anyone who is honest, will acknowledge that there are no new ideas under the sun.
Anything we do has of course been tried before, but recycled ideas in certain combinations can work better at some times than others.
:salute
i think it's come up a LOT just in the few tours i've been flying in there.
i think jaeger1 has worked his bellybutton off persevering through a lot of bs to make it work.
i also like to think that there are a few AvA spammers that've done a lot for it too. :devil
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It was abandoned for the same thing that he is complaining about. Until you guys realize it is you regulars who can control the ganging it will continued to be bashed. Safety in numbers i guess.. Thats why you fly with a wingman..
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Show me any arena where someone isn't complaining about the same thing. Sometimes I wonder why some people play a multiplayer game.
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It was abandoned for the same thing that he is complaining about. Until you guys realize it is you regulars who can control the ganging it will continued to be bashed. Safety in numbers i guess.. Thats why you fly with a wingman..
It's not [just] the regulars...we prefer small intimate fights (1v1 up to 3v3). We see members from main arena squads come in to play now and then, and they are more than welcome to come in. They fly and fight as a group, employ wingman tactics and yes, they gang. Just start reading the 100+ post "wingman tactics" thread (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,304825.0.html).
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Guys & Gals ( if any still come to this arena/forum )
The Arena has always had it's spells of going for 1 hour. 5 hours. 1 Day. 4 Days. 1 Week. 1 month. 3 months.. 1 year. 2 years. with good participation but at the same time it has always had it's spells of being a "ghost town" just the same amounts of times....
please understand, none of the old time players consider themselves "elite"..... I never understood why this "Posted as an Insult type of description" has to keep being throw-ed around toward the older/been here awhile players..... and the old timers did not abandon anything, each and every one of them still come back and fly in the CT/AvsA,some more than others...... and we still see the same things we have always seen.. no matter what the setup is.... also, as for the bashing of the current regulars....... it looks like that bashing has been going both ways..... no one is respecting what the other is able to offer or bring to and throw on the table and share with everyone as a group.....
but just the same, if any one of us was to log in and find no one in the arena, would one of the old timers bother to sit there for 30+minutes by themselves..... I guarantee you maybe 1 out of 50 might give it a shot and wait ...... and this is no different than the current "Regular AvsA players"
I have sat in there and watch several of you "current regulars" pop in the Arena while I am steadily hitting refresh on the roster hoping some one to show up, I try and holler/text hello just to receive no answer and watch 1 or 2 leave without even responding....
I have had some of the most excellent gameplay one would ever wish for or come across, both in the past and even in the Arena's current "game play settings" state
but on the other hand, I have experienced some of the worst as well, again. in the past and with the current game setup....
what I see "Today / current time in place" is a refreshed Volunteer Staff with the passion to keep the Arena striving..... I see this Current Vol. Staff working hard to make people happy, and currently feel that "no Icons" & "wingman tactics or Offensive Division Fighter Sweep tactics" work ........ to where in the past the Vol. Staff and the participants looked at it differently and did not settle or go for for much beyond a 3 vs 1 battle.....but mainly 2 vs 1 or 2vs3 or 2vs2 or even 1vs1 etc....
back then it was "as best as possible historical plane match ups Aerial Combat"..... to day it is the same except for the twist of "Team Play" and if your side only has 2 or 3 well sorry, our side /squad has 6 to 10. and we are playing as a Team Objective ......
I truly , for one, appreciate that the AvsA Staff keeps the flame lit and continue to keep the AvsA going & populated, even if I do not care for "no Icons"..... it does not bother me, and I still can find enjoyment in the arena........ who knows.... this Arena just may become a "ghost town" again..... as was mentioned.... history has a way of repeating itself and there is absolutely nothing new under the Sun...... (well, not until hitech COADS something new :D )
hope to see some of you online in the AvsA today/tonight :airplane: :cheers: :salute
TC
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Well said TC
For my part I hope returning players enjoy the arena as much as I do but, as I've constantly preached, as things evolve certain things have to change in order to achieve growth. I'm not a big fan of any more than 2 v 1 but it's going to happen. At best it can be discouraged by the regulars but people are going to play the way they play regardless.
However I'd like the old returning players to give it more than one night prior to indicting the entire arena and everybody in it. Sometimes when you log on regardless of who you are the situation is not going to be in your favor or equal. *shrug* it happens. I think overall the arena is in a lot better shape than it was when I left back then and I think it's trending upward.
Based on who I see working on set ups and looking out for the general health of the arena I feel pretty secure saying that the outlook, to me, is quite good. And, for the record, I have put money up to back that statement.
*puts clown suit back on goes looking for interesting trinkets*
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That's a good post TC.
Two things that should be done is for the current folks not to assume that a new poster is a noob and just can't handle the icon settings, and for the vets not to be condescending to the current group that has found a home here.
All should be welcome here Veteran players and the new crowd.
As far as the "posted as an insult type of description", some things are just insulting and you are going to get a negative response if you post in an insulting manner.
I know I have and deservingly so many times.
If you read a post like this but answer me this - why do we have friendly icons on? Leave dot dar, but remove all icons? Why not? Ahhhhh. Friendly icons give a huge advantage in those gangbangs as you can key off on what your friendlies are doing.
It describes a lame and nefarious motive for a setting, and that is not the case.
I find that to be insulting, but hey that's just my opinion.
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I for one am a big fan of the AvA. I love the no icon set-up. When I first ventured into the arena, it was because I was suffering some FR issues in the MA's, and I thought the lower numbers would help with my old dinosaur of a Comp. I have to adimit, I dont think I scored a kill or assist for the first two weeks that I was in here. I was never very happy with the ever changing set ups and plane sets because I mostly flew spits n' hurris in the MA's. I kept coming back because there was something going on in there that I wasnt getting in the other arenas. There was a sense of fair play and good sportmanship. (go ahead and flame if you wish). I met several very nice people who (after shooting me down) would salute, whether I deserved it or not. So after a while I started to get a little better at watching my surroundings, watching for dots, paying attention to the dot dar. (fortunatley you never have to fly very far to find a fight). All the things that I should have been doing in the MA's but wasnt. I slowly became better able to judge a planes distance in front of me without Icon distance. I got better at following a plane I was fighting in a rolling fight without losing visual. (still happens but not nearly as much)
Now I am very happy with the ever changing set-up and sometimes wish that they would last a little longer. I enjoy the fact that you are going to have to fly a myriad of different planes in here. (some Im comfortable with some Im not) You are going to get picked and you are going to get ganged, there is just no two ways about it. I for one enjoy the challenge, I very rarely if ever win in a 2v1 a 3v1 or more, but Im getting better at it and for my $15.00 a month thats what counts.
I understand that this arena is not for everyone, and at times we are going to have s0meone post something that appears negative. I think we have a great arena and we shouldnt get bottled down in other peoples stuff. Maybe they were having a bad day. Ill leave it at that
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Carver