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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Tazz69 on February 11, 2011, 02:22:26 PM
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It would be great if we could have 2 or 3 88mm FLaK's around some bases and towns (possibly around the Large airfields). We all know that it was a very widely used gun produced by the Germans during the war and had a very important role on all fronts as a versatile weapon used for antiaircraft and antitank work. I think it would be a great addition to the defence of towns or air bases. We could lose 2 or 3 37mm AA guns and replace them with the 88's. With only a couple of them at a base, it would be enough to make some flyer's to think twice about low vulching, but with only a couple of them there, not a large enough ack-ack screen to shoot down all the income aircraft. IMHO, I just think that HTC should consider the addition of this weapon, whether it be used as a stationary weapon or mobile weapon on the existing Tiger chassis ( which it was applied on). Just something to think about comrades.
Tazz69, CO
69th FG ~Rampant Lions~
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iposted something similer to this in the vultch thread.
have a 88mm flak camp hidden somewheres around the base.
with operational manned flak.
and it would only reveal itself when all ack on field was gone. then it would become mannable.
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iposted something similer to this in the vultch thread.
have a 88mm flak camp hidden somewheres around the base.
with operational manned flak.
and it would only reveal itself when all ack on field was gone. then it would become mannable.
I like this idea...perhaps this would work as an extension of it:
Have several indestructible 'tents' on every field. When all the manned ack is down, then one of these tents becomes the 88mm flak gun (or maybe it would only change when someone got in it). Perhaps the person who was in the last manned ack could be automatically transferred to the 88mm.
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A. No proximity shells.
B. What is the minimum effective range of the 88?
You know we used to have Puffy Ack at airbases? You just flew under it.
I think most of the "I want 88 AAA" wishes envision 5" cv group AAA on land. I don't think it would be close.
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wrongway
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No, it wouldn't....... Primarily because of the size difference. :salute
I think most of the "I want 88 AAA" wishes envision 5" cv group AAA on land. I don't think it would be close.
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Well, I would say that it should be almost like the 5 inchers on the cv, but with proximity fuses too( because the 88 did have them), but the 88 gun would be used more for the high level bombers that hit a base. As it is right now, we have plenty of inaccurate 37mm guns which are only effective to 6000 and under. The 88 ack ack would help by keeping those bombers that are above that feeling uncomfortable over the target. Like I said, it's just an idea I'm sure others have wished for. I think with even 2 manable 88's at a base, even if its only the large bases, because HTC added the 17 pounders to the V bases, that we should have more defence at an airfield.
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Well, I would say that it should be almost like the 5 inchers on the cv, but with proximity fuses too( because the 88 did have them),
No they did not have proximity fuses.
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The 88mm FlaK gunners however, were very good at their task. Many an Allied Bomber fell victim to the most feared weapon to them. You can at least see planes coming AND you can shoot back at them. There is no defense against flak.
If they were to add the 88mm FlaK, you can bet I'd be using it as often as I could. :devil
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The 88mm FlaK gunners however, were very good at their task. Many an Allied Bomber fell victim to the most feared weapon to them. You can at least see planes coming AND you can shoot back at them. There is no defense against flak.
If they were to add the 88mm FlaK, you can bet I'd be using it as often as I could. :devil
Yes. You concentrated the fire of hundreds of guns in a box in front of the Allied bombers for them to fly through.
You know where they are going and how high they are....
It was most feared for the reason you stated. You couldn't shoot back.
But like I mentioned, the wish is for large caliber proximity fuzed AAA more than it is for the Flak 88.
wrongway
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This only proves the Germans were better at aiming than we were! :cheers:
Yes. You concentrated the fire of hundreds of guns in a box in front of the Allied bombers for them to fly through.
You know where they are going and how high they are....
It was most feared for the reason you stated. You couldn't shoot back.
But like I mentioned, the wish is for large caliber proximity fuzed AAA more than it is for the Flak 88.
wrongway
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This only proves the Germans were better at aiming than we were! :cheers:
Maybe because they had a lot more practice. :salute
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Yes. You concentrated the fire of hundreds of guns in a box in front of the Allied bombers for them to fly through.
You know where they are going and how high they are....
It was most feared for the reason you stated. You couldn't shoot back.
But like I mentioned, the wish is for large caliber proximity fuzed AAA more than it is for the Flak 88.
wrongway
I would prefer the 88mm FlaK, and not proximity fuzed. What if you had to "dial" in the alt of the enemy bombers? Like a .set 10000 or .alt 10000. At which point, all shots you make will detonate at 10000 or between 9500 - 10500. Or maybe a little alt meter on the gun (for game-play reasons) of which you would click on the alt you wish the round to detonate at, then fire. Click on a slightly different alt, then fire your next shot. They would have the same alt restriction as our regular auto puffy has, 3k min alt over target. Maybe 1-2 88's at a Port, 4 at a large field, 2 at a medium field, 1 at a V-base/small field (if at all). Now, the question is, would they be allowed to be used in an AT role? If so, you would just hit the backspace key (like on the 5" guns) to switch between AT and AA mode.
Hows this for a basic idea on their use?
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I would prefer the 88mm FlaK, and not proximity fuzed. What if you had to "dial" in the alt of the enemy bombers? Like a .set 10000 or .alt 10000. At which point, all shots you make will detonate at 10000 or between 9500 - 10500. Or maybe a little alt meter on the gun (for game-play reasons) of which you would click on the alt you wish the round to detonate at, then fire. Click on a slightly different alt, then fire your next shot. They would have the same alt restriction as our regular auto puffy has, 3k min alt over target. Maybe 1-2 88's at a Port, 4 at a large field, 2 at a medium field, 1 at a V-base/small field (if at all). Now, the question is, would they be allowed to be used in an AT role? If so, you would just hit the backspace key (like on the 5" guns) to switch between AT and AA mode.
Hows this for a basic idea on their use?
Works for me, but I have to get a quorum from the committee. I'm still skeptical that any gun that large would be used on an airfield as airfield defense.
I would have rather seen 88's a AT guns than 17pdr anyhow.
It's just, generally, people who ask for 88s envision themselves blasting away at vulchers below 2000 feet and expect positive results.
wrongway
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+100000000 for Volron's idea!! Thats exactly what I'm talking about. I think that would work perfect.
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Why not tie the fuse setting to the throttle? I doubt that would be in use while you're gunning.
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but with proximity fuses too( because the 88 did have them),
Proximity fuzed rounds were an Allied technological advancement, the Germans or any other Axis country didn't have the technology.
ack-ack
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+1 sure, why not
as long as they're properly modelled they wont really bother anyone :D
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+1 sure, why not
as long as they're properly modelled they wont really bother anyone :D
People seem to forgot the towns at one time used to have puffy acks and were removed due to a large outcry from a segment of the community.
ack-ack
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... properly modelled ...
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;)
There was nothing wrong with their modeling when we had them.
ack-ack
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Why not tie the fuse setting to the throttle? I doubt that would be in use while you're gunning.
THIS would work out nicely. :aok I honestly didn't think about the throttle being used for this. :o You could use the Manifold throttle for 1000 increments and the RPM for 100 increments. This would work for those who use the keyboard for throttle. Those of you who use an actual throttle, you would be able to do finer adjustments and more quickly but wouldn't be much better vs someone using the keyboard.
I only tossed out how many per field just as an idea. While I honestly don't think the Med/Small fields and the V-base would actually have 88's, Ports and Large fields are a possibility considering their value/size. If they were to bring back zone bases, then 88's at those fields should probably be mandatory.
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There was nothing wrong with their modeling when we had them.
what were they modelled on?
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what were they modelled on?
A computer most likely, but with Hitech he could probably coad a game with an abacus.
-Ba-da-dunk :)
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Being able to turn the 5" guns proximity fuses on and off in the Arena settings might make early war settings more viable. Attacking into that stuff is really nasty in B5Ns and F4Fs.
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People seem to forgot the towns at one time used to have puffy acks and were removed due to a large outcry from a segment of the community.
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I thought they were removed, and replaced with more of what we have now, because they were mostly ineffective.
I really want to say "useless" but....
wrongway
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+1
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After a some thinking, the manned ack version of this weapon shouldn't be able to be used as AAA and AT, AAA only. This would be the best option.
However, if they were to make a "gv" version of it, towed 88mm, then the option to up it as an AAA or AT version would be do-able. When you select rounds like you do on a tank, it would have the AAA ammo then the AP/HE ammo. This would be more accurate, though I am uncertain if they had HE rounds when deployed in the AT role. I wouldn't think they would not have the option to use them but those of you who have access to books on the weapon, you would be able to say one way or the other. The downside to this would be to get someone to up a SdK to tow you to a spot.
The AAA version would probably see more use than the AT version since it's a lot quicker to up a tank vs having someone up a SdK to tow you when it comes to combating gv's. However, if you expect a GV attack, having the 88's deployed in the AT role could be useful. Another downside to the towed 88 is that it wouldn't take much to knock it out. 1 or 2 HE rounds from a tank, or a strafe from a plane. There is no protection for the crew after all. A well placed 88 will do a lot of damage however, and MAY be harder to spot vs a tank.
When it comes to the AAA version, well, yeah. You are likely to get strafed just like any other ack gun. BUT, you have the ability to down planes 3k and up with the puffy of death. :devil "Up a fighter. It's quicker...". Maybe, maybe not. Maybe I don't wish to up a fighter at the moment. However, if there are deployed 88's helping guard the base, then the fighters that do up can pay more attention to other enemy fighters and hunt for goons, or at the very least, the 88's help the fighters knock out the bombers (not many pilots will be able to down all the bombers before they reach their target after all). Of course, if the 88 crews killshoot themselves, then it's probably their fault. Firing at bombers when friendlies are making their passes....yeah. If you take the risk, you may end up paying for it. :bhead :lol
It's up in the air with the towed 88, but the point is there is nothing wrong with having the option to use it. Something for later on down the line, that much is obvious. :aok
As for the Manned Ack version, my previous posts about it (minus the AT part of course), could be do-able.
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No. I don't want these manned gun tards using more powerful weapons. And MANaWAR will be using this no doubt
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iposted something similer to this in the vultch thread.
have a 88mm flak camp hidden somewheres around the base.
with operational manned flak.
and it would only reveal itself when all ack on field was gone. then it would become mannable.
:aok++
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I don't care about any 88 pro or con, just dont put them in place of the 37mm's, as I am a 37mm fieldguntard.
We can already hit bombers flying at ~14000ft AGL with the 37's.
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while we are talking about puffy ack being single aimed shells, can we get the cv puffy ack to NOT be a 'battleship game' type of targeting? you know, just make the computer controlled 5" guns use the same firing method as the mannable 5"s or every other computer controlled AA in the game? i think if people knew the puffy stuff was aimed at them instead of hits being based on a lottery system it might stop some of the frustration/whines.
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+1 for a few mannable puffy acks at large fields
+1 for throttle control idea also :cool:
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I think that having 88s for base defense would be an excellent idea. Maybe just dial in the fuse setting to desired alt and then use some extra controller to fine tune e.g. throttle as was already suggested. I'd rather see that they would only shoot to certain angle, not to ground level as we already have dedicated AT guns in bases. And no artificial restrictions for their use but they would function the same as our 40mms now except for traverse angle. Slower traverse than in 40mm so they would be more directed to use against high flying bomber formations.
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Fact was the 88's did dual purpose throughout the war as both anti Air and Anti Tank. They were very good in both roles.
I'd hate to have the 88 and not be able to use it for anti tank role, or even arty role.
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I am again starting this fire and requesting the 88 FLaK.
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+1 for the 88