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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Getback on February 15, 2011, 03:57:34 AM
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Seems to be the latest lingo for not flying the way some wants you to.
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I am learning to be a bit more conservative to reduce time spent re-upping and flying back to the fights ;>
But generally I like to get stuck into the thick of it, best way to learn, and makes it more likely I'll be of some use, even if it's just as a distraction.
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Seems to be the latest lingo for not flying the way some wants you to.
Most just smacktalk to get that guy to come down and engage. Only way you are going to fly the way I want you too is to keep still at 200 off my nose and turn off the collision modeling :mad:
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I had to check to make sure this wasn't some old re-post from the late 90s.....
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Learn to "fish yer six", sometimes you have to give up something to get them to bite, they soon realize that you bite back..... :rofl
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It's varies with my mood. If I'm in a good mood and already having fun, I will go through and engage every icon in range. If I log on in a bad mood, my main goal is to stay alive (no matter how many kills I get...0...1....8) so I don't die and make my mood worse :D
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99% of the time "timid" means someone in a slow, maneuverable aircraft is mad that someone in a fast, not-so-maneuverable aircraft won't slow down and turnfight him.
If you can't stand it when you can't force a fight, then fly one of the fast, not-so-maneuverable aircraft. No one ever turns down a 1vs1 against a 190D-9 or P-47N.
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If you can't stand it when you can't force a fight, then fly one of the fast, not-so-maneuverable aircraft....or P-47N.
Hmmm... That would be a mistake. It is fast... AND very maneuverable.
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Am I?
Yes.
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The timidness I've seen called out is when a person in a maneuverable aircraft is afraid to engage and get a litle dirty.
An example: I'm in a 38, and a higher 38 comes and starts to dive on me. I try to equalize E states, but still know that he has more speed built up. I'll break down and left at some point when he's almost in gun range, hoping to induce an overshoot. He doesn't bite, but instead of doing something like a high yo-yo and staying within 1.2k to 1.5k off of me, he zooms up to 3k and the process repeats itself, basically resetting the situation, often allowing me to gain altitude in the process.
Then, after the altitude advantage is nearly negated, the enemy 38 flies away from the fight, but reverses each time I try to break off and go elsewhere.
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The timidness I've seen called out is when a person in a maneuverable aircraft is afraid to engage and get a litle dirty.
An example: I'm in a 38, and a higher 38 comes and starts to dive on me. I try to equalize E states, but still know that he has more speed built up. I'll break down and left at some point when he's almost in gun range, hoping to induce an overshoot. He doesn't bite, but instead of doing something like a high yo-yo and staying within 1.2k to 1.5k off of me, he zooms up to 3k and the process repeats itself, basically resetting the situation, often allowing me to gain altitude in the process.
Then, after the altitude advantage is nearly negated, the enemy 38 flies away from the fight, but reverses each time I try to break off and go elsewhere.
Bingo. Exactly why I posted the Sick Puppies in MidWar thread. MW is typcially not like this, not the extreme the SPs brought to us at least. Back to LW they must go!
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Only when I have a 262 even then I'm not that timid, I already lost 7 this tour I think. :airplane:
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I believe that "timid" is oftentimes the newer players interpretations of BnZ or "E" fighting. You're a new player so you hop into a P-51 because at least on this side of the pond it's probably the most recognized plane from WW2, and it was the fighter that won the war after all right? ;)
So you charge off into the skies and promptly get beat down when you run into spits, la's, N1K's, etc. So you look around and say "what's happening?" the most common answer you're going to get is "stay fast" or "don't get into a low speed turning fight". So with your limited experience and understanding of the finer points of ACM and the flight modeling you apply that bit of advice in the only way you can figure out. You go for targets of opportunity, you don't let your speed drop below 400mph and you take advantage of the 51's high speed and long range. Because it's the only way you know how to get a kill w/out being a an easy target for everyone in the arena and killing is a lot more fun than dying in here.
In many ways timid flyers are created from within the community. Hopefully they'll move past it and continue to develop their skill set because the problem with timid flying is it in many ways denies the player a chance to actually engage in an extended fight and learn from it.
At least that was my personal experience.
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Bingo. Exactly why I posted the Sick Puppies in MidWar thread. MW is typcially not like this, not the extreme the SPs brought to us at least. Back to LW they must go!
What is your in game name again?
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Bingo. Exactly why I posted the Sick Puppies in MidWar thread. MW is typcially not like this, not the extreme the SPs brought to us at least. Back to LW they must go!
Oh please, that's exactly the way you used to fly in the MW arena when I used to fly in there. Call kettle black much?
ack-ack
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Timid? This afternoon I was in a 190D, a Niki dives on me. He's at high speeds so unable to roll-turn with the 190, he yo-yos, and after a few of these little dance moves he ends up 200m behind me. I pick up my speed on the deck, he empties his guns trying to kill me, ack ends up killing him. I then get a PM about me being a nancy or something. Well, did he want me to land in the corn field so he could vulch me or what? I was happy to fight a good defensive fight like that. He's smacking his head against the door jam for missing so many shots at 200m.
Does this make me timid? Or just decent Dora driver using proper defensive tactics? Whatever, I got the proxy kill, laughed at his PM and killed 5 more (with my guns this time) before I landed with 6 kills. What a good way to spend my lunch break!
Manliness 0, kills 6, lunchbreak...priceless!
Boo
:banana:
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You just dont get it Mr Y....
Not all the pups fly this way.......and I still don't appreciate you thowing us under the bus AGAIN... So, your opinion has been noted and, I might add, proven to be not much more than a frustration whine...please stop mentioning our squad cause you had one bad experience and feel compelled to lash out. If you have a complaint with a specific pilot...take it up with him personally...men try to handle things this way.
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You just dont get it Mr Y....
Not all the pups fly this way.......and I still don't appreciate you thowing us under the bus AGAIN... So, your opinion has been noted and, I might add, proven to be not much more than a frustration whine...please stop mentioning our squad cause you had one bad experience and feel compelled to lash out. If you have a complaint with a specific pilot...take it up with him personally...men try to handle things this way.
When I flew in the MW arena, he flew exactly like how he complains others do. He even stated in the past that he will not fight anyone that he knows is better than he is unless he can engage the other person while they were busy fighting someone else. His hypocrisy knows no bounds.
ack-ack
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Hoss (aka Guns06) was a good example of timid yesterday. He dove on me with a HurriC, overshot, and ran. He ran to a fellow Spit8, so I killed it. He then ran to a P47 and I killed that too. Out of help to run to, he ran to the field and hid in the ack until I left.
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Hoss (aka Guns06) was a good example of timid yesterday. He dove on me with a HurriC, overshot, and ran. He ran to a fellow Spit8, so I killed it. He then ran to a P47 and I killed that too. Out of help to run to, he ran to the field and hid in the ack until I left.
What the heck were you in that he got away, he was in a Hurri?
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Hoss (aka Guns06) was a good example of timid yesterday. He dove on me with a HurriC, overshot, and ran. He ran to a fellow Spit8, so I killed it. He then ran to a P47 and I killed that too. Out of help to run to, he ran to the field and hid in the ack until I left.
which Pee38 can't catch a Hurricane? :headscratch:
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I sometime decide against throwing away all my advantage to prove my manliness to the slobbering hordes of red guys. If that makes me timid then yep I sometimes fly timid. I sometimes like to fly with some sense of realism, tacitics and planned survivability. Other times I fly like a fool into certain oblivion. I think timid is an over used word now though, as others posted here. Timid to me is someone who does not even take off. Just rolling up into the blue battle field is enough manliness for me, if your intention is avoiding being killed, being called timid should not really make any difference anyhow. Unless you are being particularly lame and know it then just take the accusation as a sign of your enemy's frustration at fighting you.
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Ah..
When I flew in the MW arena, he flew exactly like how he complains others do. He even stated in the past that he will not fight anyone that he knows is better than he is unless he can engage the other person while they were busy fighting someone else. His hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Nuff said.
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What the heck were you in that he got away, he was in a Hurri?
A Jeep. :)
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A Jeep. :)
Beep Beep ... :lol
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Hoss (aka Guns06)
aka Tripl5 aka tripp...
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Timid to me is BnZing in your Tempest, and the second you see a P-51B co-alt you turn tail and run 6 sectors dipping into all the base ack you can find until you get to your large base and circle in the ack to make a sh**y gear up landing...
Happened to me this weekend, very frustrating. So frustrating in fact that I actually followed him for those 6 sectors... :bhead
Worst part is, I've seen him get "best fighter" fairly often. So in one stroke that designation is now totally worthless to me.
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which Pee38 can't catch a Hurricane? :headscratch:
The P38 that was lower initially and I had to kill his friends as he dragged me to each one of them.
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Bingo. Exactly why I posted the Sick Puppies in MidWar thread. MW is typcially not like this, not the extreme the SPs brought to us at least. Back to LW they must go!
Question after checking stats it says you have not even flown mid war this month?
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The P38 that was lower initially and I had to kill his friends as he dragged me to each one of them.
he was probably vox cussing them at the time also. :D
OMG you can't kill a P38 you guys suck!!
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Aka Medieval
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he was probably vox cussing them at the time also. :D
OMG you can't kill a P38 you guys suck!!
:rofl
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Only when I have a 262 even then I'm not that timid, I already lost 7 this tour I think. :airplane:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rofl :rofl No that is not timidness............... at all!
I've seen Joach1m and Kappa reverse people while they aren't even breaking the Macon County speed limit.
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Maybe Mr Y is the same guy that complains about high cons knocking him out of the air but when the tables are reversed he cant put his target down?
I think so.
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Ah..
Nuff said.
I developed, like many other people in this game, a personal dislike for the player known as akak. Dont know what he is like in real life, dont care, but in the game he is a very disruptive player. Im good enough at this game to not let the guy kill me, which he finds very upsetting. This is a good thing because he no longer plays in MW and its a far better place because of it.
As far as the SPs, I was simply struck by how much the quoted posters comments reflected what I saw in MW during the first week. I haven't seen them in there much past few days.......its all good though, they are a great bunch of folks. Chalenge especially is a lot of fun to banter with. Good guy.
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Seems to be the latest lingo for not flying the way some wants you to.
some people are, and don't realize it.
i used to think that i wasn't, even with people telling me i was. then i flew the ava. quickly discovered, that indeed i was. that cured me. i was a lot more aggressive. now i'm messing with the trackir. i'm back to timid again, but i do realize it this time. i choose my fights a little more carefully, so as to survive long enough to get some learning done. and no, the ta doesn't duplicate the arena...although it helps.
as i get more accustomed to the trackir, i will get back to the "in your face" flying i love in there.
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Maybe Mr Y is the same guy that complains about high cons knocking him out of the air but when the tables are reversed he cant put his target down?
I think so.
No no...not me chalenge. I dont piss and moan like a lot of people. If I have a gripe and its important enough I just bring it to the boards and lets things settle out here. I dislike vehemently all whiners and complainers in the game (akak is a golden example of in-game whiner, look at how much he fights with the general population of players both in game and here on the boards, always disparaging and disrespectful of any and all players), but with me its all very respectable in the game. <S>
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Im good enough at this game to not let the guy kill me, which he finds very upsetting.
:rofl
If running from a 1v1 fight with an altitude and energy advantage because you know the lower P-38J would reverse and get you on the overshoot is being "good enough" then you're an experten above all experten. How many times did your unskilled timid arse auger trying to pick me while I was fighting others? Too many to count in my estimation.
You cry about how others bring down the game play in the MW arena when in fact you're just as much as the problem as the ones you cry about. Change your handle to Kettle because all you're good at is calling the pot black.
ack-ack
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rofl :rofl No that is not timidness............... at all!
I've seen Joach1m and Kappa reverse people while they aren't even breaking the Macon County speed limit.
:lol I do some F'ed things when I fly hahaha :joystick:
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Timid to me is BnZing in your Tempest, and the second you see a P-51B co-alt you turn tail and run 6 sectors dipping into all the base ack you can find until you get to your large base and circle in the ack to make a sh**y gear up landing...
Happened to me this weekend, very frustrating. So frustrating in fact that I actually followed him for those 6 sectors... :bhead
Worst part is, I've seen him get "best fighter" fairly often. So in one stroke that designation is now totally worthless to me.
I know who this refers to, and you're not alone. many have followed this person across the map only to meet a few of his friends lifting off to save him
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How many times did your unskilled timid arse auger trying to pick me while I was fighting others? Too many to count in my estimation.
ack-ack
Is it time to create another "Whats Your Favorite akak Kill" thread? :lol
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Fail post
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I missed the IN on the other thread of ack ack vs. (insert BBs ID) ... thought I might as well get it while I can.
For the record I got IN on a six response lock, so was doing pretty good. I guess I have lost it.
As for the OP:
Bottom line: Timid=you are not fighting the fight someone else expects you to fight. For example, a couple of months ago Dadsguns was up around 18K in a F4U-1a. I was co alt in a P-51D. He was upset because I just kept my distance from him so I could pick the inbound bombers, keeping my E up. they were out for the base capture, so I figured this contributed to us keeping the base. He came up on 200 and began the "your timid" etc... Well, yes. If timid is me thinking fighting a 1a in a pony will probably get me killed, then yes, I guess I was timid for not fighting him. I figured the 9 kills or so I landed on my couple of trips to the field contributed a bit more to preserving the base than me dying.
Accusations of timid are quite arrogant. I suck in a pony, and just won't co E fight a corsair in one. If I was in a 1a I think I would crush the pony. (I think so at any rate). So I fought my fight and what I felt was appropriate for the circumstances. Call me timid.... ouch my ego is forever bruised. So, next time you are inclined to think someone is timid, understand that maybe they are:
1. Not very good and just trying to stay alive.
2. Enjoy the challenge of trying to land every mission instead of suicide. (the I like the sim aspect guys)
3. Hell bent on score and will not do anything but fight from a position of advantage.
4. Have other agendas for their mission ie: have bombs and don't turn to engage you because they are off to pork ords.
Regardless of the circumstances, it is poor form in my estimation to call someone "timid".
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Question after checking stats it says you have not even flown mid war this month?
check the stats on SLIMpkns. Think Ive only got about 8 hours this tour. Been bz leveling up another Jedi in SWG :)
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I know who this refers to, and you're not alone. many have followed this person across the map only to meet a few of his friends lifting off to save him
Wow. I would say timid is not using a name. I would say timid is then, meeting said alleged person in the DA. Then if successful, thump chest.
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99% of the time "timid" means someone in a slow, maneuverable aircraft is mad that someone in a fast, not-so-maneuverable aircraft won't slow down and turnfight him.
If you can't stand it when you can't force a fight, then fly one of the fast, not-so-maneuverable aircraft. No one ever turns down a 1vs1 against a 190D-9 or P-47N.
I wouldn't say that, but I do believe the 10v1 against the N is prefered ;)
JUGgler
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I have found, dammit I can't find my pie chart, sorry... that the JUG N is usually only ganged 7 to 1. the 190 on the other hand a trifle 5. Please keep the exaggeration to a minimum. :)
--Crusader
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Wow. I would say timid is not using a name. I would say timid is then, meeting said alleged person in the DA. Then if successful, thump chest.
:aok back your words up ask to 1v1 if you win you got rights, you lose sit down shut up
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Love the new bottom thingy you have going on JO.... your not timid are ya :rock
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I have to say I think I am timid. When you only avg 4 kills an hour that seems to tell the story. But I tell you this I got into a battle with an f4f that had alt. It was touch and go for a while and finally I got him into my front windscreen. About that time wham, one of 20 bish came to the rescue. I'm not complaining but it does make you shy. Like AkAk, I was fighting a ki84 vs my f6f. I have the vid. The Ki84 came into the fight doing over 400 mph. We get into a tussle. I finally get the edge and ping his fuel before he goes into a stick stir routine. Then I catch a glimpse of an a8 coming into the fight. I duck, the a8 and he augers. Then a ki61 b&z's me and the Ki84 joins in. I somehow survive but wow! Did that get intense.
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Love the new bottom thingy you have going on JO.... your not timid are ya :rock
I've been quoted............On this day in history............. :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Worst part is, I've seen him get "best fighter" fairly often. So in one stroke that designation is now totally worthless to me.
It should have never been worthwhile to you in the first place. It's pretty easy to game fighter rank, particularly if you're flying a Tempest.
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Love the new bottom thingy you have going on JO.... your not timid are ya :rock
Only time I run is if Im being ganged, I'll attempt to 1v1 u all but not all at once!, and get back if you got kills like in a low used MA bird then ya it's good to play timid fun to have name kit up in lights in a c47 landing :lol
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I've been quoted............On this day in history............. :rofl :rofl :rofl
Hehe I like it! Sig worthy material!
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It should have never been worthwhile to you in the first place. It's pretty easy to game fighter rank, particularly if you're flying a Tempest.
Well.... I would recommend the following steps:
Insert game ID, then check kills by airframe. Then you you find a fraction of their kills are in a tempest, retract statement.
Anyway..poor form.
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I wouldn't say that, but I do believe the 10v1 against the N is prefered ;)
JUGgler
Yeah buddy, I went in on you thinking easy p47 kill! Ugh, I got owned, second time that day by a p47n. Curse your name! However, I have picked up a few pointers since then. Not that it makes me on par.
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Well.... I would recommend the following steps:
Insert game ID, then check kills by airframe. Then you you find a fraction of their kills are in a tempest, retract statement.
Anyway..poor form.
Why would I want to do that?
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Insert game ID, then check kills by airframe. Then you you find a fraction of their kills are in a tempest, retract statement.
Not rarely you find also only a fraction of their kills had been made in fighter mode too ;)
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Not rarely you find also only a fraction of their kills had been made in fighter mode too ;)
Hombre Caracol..... wow. Ya went there lol. :x
Oh well. to each his own. the comment was as to the fortitude/skill of a certain pilot. I felt it was a bit inappropriate tis all.
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check the stats on SLIMpkns. Think Ive only got about 8 hours this tour. Been bz leveling up another Jedi in SWG :)
Both EW and MW have become base running arenas more than anything else. A few people that claim to be in the arenas just for fights are really there to kill lemmings. Its really that simple. We went in to MW and stopped the base running in prime time and so the base running continues during school hours and the wee hours of the morning.
You dont seem to be willing to stop the base grabs. I think we have something around 25 captures which were primarily to irritate the enemy into a fight. Two other squads in there have over 100 captures and I know you are well aware which two squads they are.
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Timid? This afternoon I was in a 190D, a Niki dives on me. He's at high speeds so unable to roll-turn with the 190, he yo-yos, and after a few of these little dance moves he ends up 200m behind me. I pick up my speed on the deck, he empties his guns trying to kill me, ack ends up killing him.
So....you dragged him to ack when you had a faster plane with ammunition and fuel?
Yes, I suppose people might call that timid.
- oldman
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Oh well. to each his own. the comment was as to the fortitude/skill of a certain pilot. I felt it was a bit inappropriate tis all.
You quoted me however, and I have no idea who this pilot is. Nor do I care.
The fact remains that you can easily game fighter rank by scoring just Tempest (or 262 or whatever) missions as Fighter and scoring the rest as Attack. Racking up tons of fast kills in a Tempest while surviving is pretty easy.
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You quoted me however, and I have no idea who this pilot is. Nor do I care.
The fact remains that you can easily game fighter rank by scoring just Tempest (or 262 or whatever) missions as Fighter and scoring the rest as Attack. Racking up tons of fast kills in a Tempest while surviving is pretty easy.
Or you could artificially create a furball with lemming squad members while you come in with any other plane and pick your way to fame and fortune. We dont know anyone that does that now do we? :rolleyes:
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Or you could artificially create a furball with lemming squad members while you come in with any other plane and pick your way to fame and fortune. We dont know anyone that does that now do we? :rolleyes:
I guess you're talking about Bruv? I'm about four years out of date on the super pilot du jour, so I don't really know anything about him. In any event, I've never fought him or don't remember doing so if I did.
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I guess you're talking about Bruv? I'm about four years out of date on the super pilot du jour, so I don't really know anything about him. In any event, I've never fought him or don't remember doing so if I did.
I think he might be referring to the joke you and the rest of the BK's played with the massive P-40 kill streak. On a side note, it's actually quite amazing he was able to see from outer orbit while on his quest to conserve fuel.
ack-ack
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You dont seem to be willing to stop the base grabs. I think we have something around 25 captures which were primarily to irritate the enemy into a fight. Two other squads in there have over 100 captures and I know you are well aware which two squads they are.
The base grabs never bothered me either way, either being grabbed from or doing the grabbing. More often than not I get kills out of the deal and generally have a good time. The one thing it boiled down to for me was coming online seeing you guys heading towards my base, I grabbed, found you guys at 18-20k, dodged two passes from your fighters and then they left the sector at a great advantage. I was a little puzzled thats why I asked to begin with. I knew you all were new to the MW and I just wanted to know what the deal was going to be. I finally figured out that you guys were basically a LW squad coming into MW to practice squad ops in the more leisurely paced, and generally less skilled MW. Its all good.
I hope you all keep coming back and basically just stir up some fights. Mix things up.
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You cry about how others bring down the game play in the MW arena when in fact you're just as much as the problem as the ones you cry about. Change your handle to Kettle because all you're good at is calling the pot black.
ack-ack
Ankle, meet humper --->akak
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I attempt to not intentionally engage at a disadvantage if at all possible. In reality, you will be engaged at a disadvantage enough as it is against your will. It's pure silliness, in my personal opinion, to go out of your way to put yourself into a disadvantageous situation. It's the enemy's job to do that to you and you to him.
On the flip-side of that, I find it very unexciting when the enemy intentionally allows himself be engaged at a disadvantage. I much prefer the tactical intrigue of an enemy that makes me work for that privilege.
If I find myself at a disadvantage, I will seek to dis-engage and consolidate my position, if & when the opportunity presents itself, prior to re-engaging. That is just common sense as far as I am concerned.
If that is timid, then I am guilty as charged.
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Exactly Zazen thats why people who fly around at 1k...get picked then taunt you on 200 have no grounds.
Woof ;)
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Ankle, meet humper --->akak
He's not humping your ankle. He's proving a point.
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Exactly Zazen thats why people who fly around at 1k...get picked then taunt you on 200 have no grounds.
Woof ;)
Yup, my personal theory regarding those folks is what I call the, "Shane syndrome".
If you are at 1k and get ganged or picked or whatever, you can lash out at your molestors, conveniently blaming your untimely demise on their enormous advantage. If you happen to win a fight, you instantly attain glorious hero status and can gloat of your prowess to world, shaming your would-be assailant(s). In either event, your ego remains carefully protected and massaged.
Now if you're at 10k and you engage someone at 5k and lose, you have no one to blame for your dismal failure but yourself. However, if you win, well ...so what... you had the advantage you were supposed to win. So, the pilots' ego can therefore be "pinged", but never glorified.
So, the perennial victim type, equipped with excuses to fail, is really engaging in cartoon pilot "ego defense".
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He's not humping your ankle. He's proving a point.
lol <shakes leg>
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lol <shakes leg>
Hopefully im not on your leg. I don't even no who you are nor have I heard of you in game.
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I had to google for the true definition of timidness
1. Lacking self-confidence; shy.
2. Fearful and hesitant.
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Hopefully im not on your leg. I don't even no who you are nor have I heard of you in game.
Ya, I was wondering who you were too.....
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Umm everyone knows spektor....he has a bieber doo yunno
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In the spirit of shedding my timidness I dove into the Hord. Now I tell you at times I thought I should just fly straight and get it over with. Must have been 30 planes. I ruddered, I rolled, Nosed down, all while chronically watching my 6. Reversed a spit and pinged him, then had to dodge a sizzling 51. Caught a High deflection on another 51, took the engine out of a k4, Pinged some others. Looked back and they all left me alone. So I got out of dodge with 4 kills. Whew!
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Umm everyone knows spektor....he has a bieber doo yunno
Can I ask how you knew that?
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Ya, I was wondering who you were too.....
Keep wondering.
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Keep wondering.
wondering what?
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I had to google for the true definition of timidness
1. Lacking self-confidence; shy.
2. Fearful and hesitant.
You have to wonder how some cartoon genius has the spine to point fingers and diagnose flying style... until you realize that cartoon wonder is probably on prozac anyway. :rolleyes:
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Not rarely you find also only a fraction of their kills had been made in fighter mode too ;)
It seems that a few pilots like to do that in the MW to get their names on the main page.
ack-ack
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I'm definitely not timid. I will climb up to a horde or dive into one. To me that's part of the challenge is to mix it up very well & see how long you can live. Not if you die, but how long it takes them to kill me. Theirs no disgrace getting chased by 5-6 guys, all in faster planes, & get killed. It wasn't easy for them. :aok
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/Colt44/image015.jpg)
Im just saying....
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It seems that a few pilots like to do that in the MW to get their names on the main page.
ack-ack
Evidently since you play at such late hours, in relation to euro times, you may not have seen a few pilots in the air. I do believe that the measuring stick of fighter prowess may be the dueling ladder, or maybe even KOTH. One of these few guys has won the TOC twice.
Now, as far as E fighting, maintaining the edge et al.... I have never seen your 38 under 20K, IIRC.
So, nice try kiddo. Go back to your hole and comb your dolls hair for a bit, this was a grown up conversation about perspective. If you feel someones idea of playing the game (sim/score/etc...) contradicts your own personal perspective, you are no more than an arrogant self absorbed clown. I appreciate someone who has the discipline to fight from the advantage. I appreciate someone who when fighting four at once, can drop all four and still RTB with no damage. There are a few guys who can do this. Sadly, you are not one of them. (nor am I for that matter, but I do aspire).
You might want to pick a bit easier of a target than the few if you want to allude to timidity, for the bulk of the few are excellent at fighting, and not remotely as pompus as you.
Bottom line: Yet another akak fail. Hey, if I did not have your responses to read, what would I have. Farewell. :salute
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wondering what?
Exactly
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Do not enrage the Ack-Ack! I fear our forum lives are now in mortal danger! We must leave these lands!
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Do not enrage the Ack-Ack! I fear our forum lives are now in mortal danger! We must leave these lands!
I woke up in my meager shack
A beat away from a heart attack.
I open the window to see the pane
Hoping not to see THE troll of BBs fame.
I collapse in pain....there is Akak.
The End.
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:rofl
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Exactly
Exactly what?
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It seems that a few pilots like to do that in the MW to get their names on the main page.
ack-ack
Your just mad because you lack the skill to even take a #1 rank
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Evidently since you play at such late hours, in relation to euro times, you may not have seen a few pilots in the air. I do believe that the measuring stick of fighter prowess may be the dueling ladder, or maybe even KOTH. One of these few guys has won the TOC twice.
Now, as far as E fighting, maintaining the edge et al.... I have never seen your 38 under 20K, IIRC.
So, nice try kiddo. Go back to your hole and comb your dolls hair for a bit, this was a grown up conversation about perspective. If you feel someones idea of playing the game (sim/score/etc...) contradicts your own personal perspective, you are no more than an arrogant self absorbed clown. I appreciate someone who has the discipline to fight from the advantage. I appreciate someone who when fighting four at once, can drop all four and still RTB with no damage. There are a few guys who can do this. Sadly, you are not one of them. (nor am I for that matter, but I do aspire).
You might want to pick a bit easier of a target than the few if you want to allude to timidity, for the bulk of the few are excellent at fighting, and not remotely as pompus as you.
Bottom line: Yet another akak fail. Hey, if I did not have your responses to read, what would I have. Farewell. :salute
Owned.... :banana:
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Owned.... :banana:
Yeah...lol I thought that was pretty darned good. Accurate as hell too.
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I fly the F4U-1D.
Everything I can't outrun, I can outturn, and I fly accordingly. If it's a pony that's trying to BnZ me, I'll keep turning inside of him until I can get him to start turning with me. If I have a zeke on my 6, I'll dive and his controls will lock up, I'll do a loop and be on his six.
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Yeah...lol I thought that was pretty darned good. Accurate as hell too.
I liked the "climb in your hole and comb your dolls" :rofl :rofl :bolt:
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Your just mad because you lack the skill to even take a #1 rank
It definitely think it takes a certain degree of skill to top the fighter rankings - you're going to have to have to have better than average aim and pretty good SA, for example. That said, I have no doubt, having flown against AKAK for countless years going all the way back to Air Warrior, that he has more than enough "skill" to rank highly if he wants.
Ranking highly requires wanting to rank highly, which means that you 1) fly Fighter sorties in highly survivable and lethal planes, and 2) score any potentially risky flights as Attack. Maybe AKAK doesn't care about rank enough to bother with such things. Maybe he just likes flying P-38s all the time, and this hinders his overall survivability. Presuming a lack of skill shows that you're confused about what really goes into achieving a high fighter score.
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Your just mad because you lack the skill to even take a #1 rank
Unlike you, I've never played for rank or score. I just find the whole thing silly having to fly a certain amount of flights under one category and then fly the rest under another category so as not to "ruin" my other rankings. Kind of tedious but if you look back in the MW arena when I did play in there regularly, you'll see guys like N7, tbarone, VonHoltz, Shuffler and myself hitting the #1 and #2 spot without having to resort to manipulating the scoring system.
Enjoy.
ack-ack
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You girls are funny! AKAK tells it like it is, no BS, no suger coating it, just strait up as he sees it. Evidently he hit a nerve for all ov
F you ladies to jump him.
As for the OP any one that won't engage in A2A combat, for what ever reason, be that scared, skilless,cautious, waiting for easier targets, or playing for score is a timid flyer. After all it's an A2A combat game for the most part and nobody really dies.
Dirtdart, by avoiding the fight you said you would lose against the F4U you have taken away an opportunity to get better in that type of fight. You said you aspire to be able to take on 4 and come out alive (oh and I have seen AKAK do this many times, most often under 10k with me filling any and all of the different kills at one time or another). How can you hope to get better if you don't try it?
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Unlike you, I've never played for rank or score. I just find the whole thing silly having to fly a certain amount of flights under one category and then fly the rest under another category so as not to "ruin" my other rankings. Kind of tedious but if you look back in the MW arena when I did play in there regularly, you'll see guys like N7, Shuffler and myself hitting the #1 and #2 spot without having to resort to manipulating the scoring system.
Enjoy.
ack-ack
Explain how I manipulated the score
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Hi Levi, you're going to have to have to have to run that by me again :D
S!
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Explain how I manipulateded the score
Spell check.
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Spell check.
Thx
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Ranking highly requires wanting to rank highly, which means that you 1) fly Fighter sorties in highly survivable and lethal planes, and 2) score any potentially risky flights as Attack.
Not necessarily. I've inadvertently scored #1 in fighter multiple times when I was flying hundreds of mostly k4 sorties in fighter. I've seen JoeyTony, Drbone, and lazer do it also.
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the k4 is a lethal and highly survivable plane, surely
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Unlike you, I've never played for rank or score. I just find the whole thing silly having to fly a certain amount of flights under one category and then fly the rest under another category so as not to "ruin" my other rankings. Kind of tedious but if you look back in the MW arena when I did play in there regularly, you'll see guys like N7, Shuffler and myself hitting the #1 and #2 spot without having to resort to manipulating the scoring system.
Enjoy.
ack-ack
Well, I have never, ever played for score. Just check my ingame name of crusader and you will see. Frankly I don't have the time or the energy to "work" the system, and it does not fulfill me. There are some guys who no kidding like the challenge of playing the game by it's rule to achieve a certain ranking. Why hate on them, again, you have exposed yourself as a tempermental bully. "Your not flying the way I think you should fly because you ran 25% of your missions in fighter mode so you would not drop your score...I am taking my ball and going home". Arrogance.
Take Pacerr for example, he enjoyed the challenge of playing for score, and yet for some reason folks just despise the guy. I personally know him and think highly of the guy. It is just his world view of the game is separate from others. The same could be said for xxxxxx, who openly says...yep I will HO you. That is in stark contrast with what I believe personally, but I am not going to call him out in a thread.
So in the future if you want to attack a squad/person do so with a bit more substance than personal generalizations. That is unless substance is beyond your means.
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the k4 is a lethal and highly survivable plane, surely
And is invariably more survivable the more lethal it becomes. :D
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Dirtdart, by avoiding the fight you said you would lose against the F4U you have taken away an opportunity to get better in that type of fight. You said you aspire to be able to take on 4 and come out alive (oh and I have seen AKAK do this many times, most often under 10k with me filling any and all of the different kills at one time or another). How can you hope to get better if you don't try it?
It has nothing to with avoiding the fight with the corsair, it has more to do with defending the base. If I want 1 v 1s, I will head to the DA. There are not many who respect a 1 v 1 when it is happening in the MA and will pick. Just calling me out on 200 is not going to get me into fighting outside of my initial mission, which in that case, was defending the base against mid-alt buffs. Just saying....
As far as akak goes, well he just goes a bit far sometimes. He is the loud drunk in the corner of the bar that slurs meaningless glumb. The new people say "who the hell is that guy" with disdain. The bartender says, "just akak, he's been coming here for years". Ahhh Ok.
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Not necessarily. I've inadvertently scored #1 in fighter multiple times when I was flying hundreds of mostly k4 sorties in fighter. I've seen JoeyTony, Drbone, and lazer do it also.
The K4 is an extremely lethal and highly survivable plane when flown to its strengths. I don't see any issues there. I'd be more interested to see how many folks inadvertently ranked #1 flying, say, an F4U-1A or Yak.
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The K4 is an extremely lethal and highly survivable plane when flown to its strengths. I don't see any issues there. I'd be more interested to see how many folks inadvertently ranked #1 flying, say, an F4U-1A or Yak.
I have seen it being reached in a P-38J, with basically all sorties (and a lot of, not just a few) in fighter mode.
I did find that remarkable, but maybe it's just because I can't even get there when flying Tempest only ;)
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I have seen it being reached in a P-38J, with basically all sorties (and a lot of, not just a few) in fighter mode.
I did find that remarkable, but maybe it's just because I can't even get there when flying Tempest only ;)
Yep, "Ice" did that iirc like a year ago. Not sure if it was an old vet or a lazer shade.
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When I am flying, I try to pick a fight that seems reasonable engagment such as without too much fear of getting gangbanged either by baddies or more friendlies coming in. If I am having 1vs1, which is hard to do in the MA at times and if a friendly comes in (i'll ask him to stay out or ask for help if needed) then I'll usually disengage because I don't really like 2-3-4 vs 1, unless I happen to be that 1 lol. If that happens, I'll drag them over to friendlies to make the odds little bit more interesting. I get slammed for it and accused of running but that is part of the 'reasonable engagment' that I like to pratice. True it is just a game and such but due to lack of confidence (sorry for the drama sounding as that is) and getting so frustrated at it sometimes, I tend to be little conservative. Then again, I do love diving into a horde (as long as i have alt lol) and harassing them. I know the Bishop usually knows its me in the pony that dives headlong into their horde, especially if i turn on 200 and say my favorite line, ever (Leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeroooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooy Leeeeeeeeekiiiiins!) :rock
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I have seen it being reached in a P-38J, with basically all sorties (and a lot of, not just a few) in fighter mode.
I did find that remarkable, but maybe it's just because I can't even get there when flying Tempest only ;)
Scoring #1 in fighter with a P-38 alone would be quite a comendable feat in my estimation. Specifically beacuse I have yet to crack the code on them.
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When I am flying, I try to pick a fight that seems reasonable engagment such as without too much fear of getting gangbanged either by baddies or more friendlies coming in. If I am having 1vs1, which is hard to do in the MA at times and if a friendly comes in (i'll ask him to stay out or ask for help if needed) then I'll usually disengage because I don't really like 2-3-4 vs 1, unless I happen to be that 1 lol. If that happens, I'll drag them over to friendlies to make the odds little bit more interesting. I get slammed for it and accused of running but that is part of the 'reasonable engagment' that I like to pratice. True it is just a game and such but due to lack of confidence (sorry for the drama sounding as that is) and getting so frustrated at it sometimes, I tend to be little conservative. Then again, I do love diving into a horde (as long as i have alt lol) and harassing them. I know the Bishop usually knows its me in the pony that dives headlong into their horde, especially if i turn on 200 and say my favorite line, ever (Leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeroooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooy Leeeeeeeeekiiiiins!) :rock
Man, I need to learn this skill :old:
JUGgler
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Not necessarily. I've inadvertently scored #1 in fighter multiple times when I was flying hundreds of mostly k4 sorties in fighter. I've seen JoeyTony, Drbone, and lazer do it also.
I'm holding number 8 spot in fighter, most kills in k4, haven't played in a week, I wasn't trying playing for just happens when I go out and do my thing I do better then trying to go for score
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Joach1m out of this thread plz
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I'm holding number 8 spot in fighter, most kills in k4, haven't played in a week, I wasn't trying playing for just happens when I go out and do my thing I do better then trying to go for score
Um, 25% of your fighter kills this tour are in a 262. If you take that out, your K/D drops nearly 1 kill per death. No 262, no #8. Not even close in fact.
That's not to say that you're not a great virtual pilot, but it's important to put things into context.
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Why hate on them, again, you have exposed yourself as a tempermental bully. "Your not flying the way I think you should fly because you ran 25% of your missions in fighter mode so you would not drop your score...I am taking my ball and going home". Arrogance.
Where have I told anyone how to fly? I find it funny that some of these self-perceived "experten" need to manipulate the scoring system to achieve their artificial rank.
Like someone mentioned many years ago, before you were around, that the ones to fear most aren't the ones ranked in the Top 10. Just sayin'.
ack-ack
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Like someone mentioned many years ago, before you were around, that the ones to fear most aren't the ones ranked in the Top 10. Just sayin'.
ack-ack
Here we see eye to eye.
BTW, I do go back a grip, I just did not keep my old handle.
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Um, 25% of your fighter kills this tour are in a 262. If you take that out, your K/D drops nearly 1 kill per death. No 262, no #8. Not even close in fact.
That's not to say that you're not a great virtual pilot, but it's important to put things into context.
Not factoring Joch1m's 262 sorties, his K/D ratio this tour is 4.27.
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When I am flying, I try to pick a fight that seems reasonable engagment
:salute
Exactly! Who determines a resonable engagement? The pilot of any said aircraft.....its his choice. Brrrrrrrrrrrilliant.
or in my case...the amount of 12 year old scotch in the house. If im in the black p-40e...I can be goated to swing. Just an FYI
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Not factoring Joch1m's 262 sorties, his K/D ratio this tour is 4.27.
I came up with a K/D of 3.54.
His current K/D of 4.50 comes from 171 kills/(32 deaths + 3 ditches + 3 captures) = 171/38 = 4.50
Take away 47 of those kills and 3 of those deaths from flying the 262 and you get:
(171 - 47)/(29 deaths + 3 ditches + 3 captures) = 124/35 = 3.54
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correction...Goaded... no goated....................... ....well maybe goated.
where is my black p-40...and my rock glass?
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I only factored in the deaths, silly me, I forgot about bails and captures. Do ditches go against score?
Can we agree that his KDR is more than 1:1?
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I only factored in the deaths, being that I thought we were going off pure KDR.
Can we agree that his KDR is more than 1:1?
lol if it above 2:1 I'm happy
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Can we agree that his KDR is more than 1:1?
It certainly is. I'm not disputing that he's a good pilot. I honestly have no idea if he's good or not, as I don't think I've ever flown against him before. I'm just noting that flying the 262 has significantly impacted his overall K/D and, by consequence, his fighter rank.
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It certainly is. I'm not disputing that he's a good pilot. I honestly have no idea if he's good or not, as I don't think I've ever flown against him before. I'm just noting that flying the 262 has significantly impacted his overall K/D and, by consequence, his fighter rank.
Well I have been flying 262's latly to "burn perks" because I changing my name soon...and as soon as I get a couple runs in a b29 I will be finishing all my perks to switch. Lol
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It certainly is. I'm not disputing that he's a good pilot. I honestly have no idea if he's good or not, as I don't think I've ever flown against him before. I'm just noting that flying the 262 has significantly impacted his overall K/D and, by consequence, his fighter rank.
I understand. I just wanted to point out, in a polite mannor, that your statement was incorrect. Not out of spite, I just wanted to prevent any future conflict and/or missunderstanding.
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YOU guys talking about scores....i just went and looked at mine for the first time in months......
fighter k/d=.42
attack k/d=.12
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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A wise man once said "score is only good for compairing yourself with yourself."
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A wise man once said "score is only good for compairing yourself with yourself."
which is why i never really look at it. i fly. i die. i kill. i bail. i ditch. i fall out of the sky. i hit trees. sometimes if i'm lucky i land. it's all in cartoon land, so it's all fun. :aok
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Well I have been flying 262's latly to "burn perks" because I changing my name soon...and as soon as I get a couple runs in a b29 I will be finishing all my perks to switch. Lol
keep it short I had a heck of a time fitting a legible 'joach1m' in an 80 x 80 avatar ;)
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Evidently since you play at such late hours, in relation to euro times, you may not have seen a few pilots in the air. I do believe that the measuring stick of fighter prowess may be the dueling ladder, or maybe even KOTH. One of these few guys has won the TOC twice.
Now, as far as E fighting, maintaining the edge et al.... I have never seen your 38 under 20K, IIRC.
So, nice try kiddo. Go back to your hole and comb your dolls hair for a bit, this was a grown up conversation about perspective. If you feel someones idea of playing the game (sim/score/etc...) contradicts your own personal perspective, you are no more than an arrogant self absorbed clown. I appreciate someone who has the discipline to fight from the advantage. I appreciate someone who when fighting four at once, can drop all four and still RTB with no damage. There are a few guys who can do this. Sadly, you are not one of them. (nor am I for that matter, but I do aspire).
You might want to pick a bit easier of a target than the few if you want to allude to timidity, for the bulk of the few are excellent at fighting, and not remotely as pompus as you.
Bottom line: Yet another akak fail. Hey, if I did not have your responses to read, what would I have. Farewell. :salute
What a crock. I've only killed AkAk maybe twice & both times he was in the dirt and out turning all 4 of the other guys. That's why I got the kills. :old: :banana:
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Yes, I'm timid.
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Yes, I'm timid.
Could be. But you're not a timid flyer.
- oldman
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Yes, I'm timid.
me too :(
JUGgler
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ok.....lets get all the timid flyers together in the da.........and have a timid flyer furball. :devil
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Like someone mentioned many years ago, before you were around, that the ones to fear most aren't the ones ranked in the Top 10. Just sayin'.
Generally very true. Although, I will say that Bruv119 is the glaring exception.
Maybe this post will help quell some of the rampant self promotion that The Few tends to exihibit regularly. :angel:
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ok.....lets get all the timid flyers together in the da.........and have a timid flyer furball. :devil
Hmm... can you imagine how this would look? 30 or 40 planes upping, headed toward one another, the low ones reverse under their higher buddies, the enemy pursues until they see the higher planes, then they reverse under their higher buddies, the enemy pursues until they see the higher planes, then they reverse under their higher buddies, the enemy pursues until they see the higher planes, then they reverse under their higher buddies, the enemy pursues until they see the higher planes, then they reverse under their higher buddies, the enemy pursues until they see the higher planes, then they reverse under their higher buddies, the enemy pursues until they see the higher planes, then they reverse under their higher buddies, the enemy pursues until they see the higher planes, then they reverse under their higher buddies, the enemy pursues until they see the higher planes, then they reverse under their higher buddies...
Then everybody runs out of fuel and RTBs except the couple of guys from each side who took drop tanks, at which point they vulch the entire enemy force on landing...
Sounds like fun to me! :devil
Wiley.
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Hmm... can you imagine how this would look? 30 or 40 planes upping, headed toward one another, the low ones reverse under their higher buddies, the enemy pursues until they see the higher planes, then they reverse under their higher buddies, the enemy pursues until they see the higher planes
It be the exact oposite of what we have now....dive right in and shoot at anything that moves untill you run outta ammo and and air speed, then whine about getting picked by some "timid" pilot.....then of course run to the bbs and try to regain some face by pointing fingers .... :rofl :aok
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I'm 90% sure Bruv is a wizard, with some of the stuff he does in that spit 8.
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It be the exact oposite of what we have now....dive right in and shoot at anything that moves untill you run outta ammo and and air speed, then whine about getting picked by some "timid" pilot.....then of course run to the bbs and try to regain some face by pointing fingers .... :rofl :aok
+1 karma for truth :aok
You just described how 90% play...What never ceases to amaze me is how they can possibly be indignant about it when they inevitably get victimized by the 10% that don't fly that way. :huh
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Now that is entertainment! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Awesome !
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i like the token orange-face emoticon the best. dont see any juden emoticons though
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I always preferred to look at kill/sortie over kill/death as kill/sortie better indicates how effective one is.
As for Zazen's comment about the "Shane effect"... all I have to do is point to him flying at 30k in AW, surrounded by a bunch of sychopants determined to protect him at all costs, as he used them for bait and meatshields.In AH Zaz isn't not much different despite his claim of "living for the fight." "Fight" apparently means only when he has advantage, otherwise he just runs screaming for his newest batch of sheeple to save him. He's all about his k/d, it's that simple... and sad. But hey, it's his dime, right? I've used my dimes over the years to explore and enjoy *all* aspects of this game. :banana:
I don't mind 2 or 3 vs me, but when I'm already engaged with those 2 or 3 and then several more jump in (especially when they find out it's me - does anyone hunt zazen?) that's where you'll see me call poepl on it. :aok
I think he's miffed that despite his walls of text and "leet" score, he doesn't get the recognition he craves in AH that he obtained in AW. Talk about ego. :noid
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I always preferred to look at kill/sortie over kill/death as kill/sortie better indicates how effective one is.
As for Zazen's comment about the "Shane effect"... all I have to do is point to him flying at 30k in AW, surrounded by a bunch of sychopants determined to protect him at all costs, as he used them for bait and meatshields.In AH Zaz isn't not much different despite his claim of "living for the fight." "Fight" apparently means only when he has advantage, otherwise he just runs screaming for his newest batch of sheeple to save him. He's all about his k/d, it's that simple... and sad. But hey, it's his dime, right? I've used my dimes over the years to explore and enjoy *all* aspects of this game. :banana:
I don't mind 2 or 3 vs me, but when I'm already engaged with those 2 or 3 and then several more jump in (especially when they find out it's me - does anyone hunt zazen?) that's where you'll see me call poepl on it. :aok
I think he's miffed that despite his walls of text and "leet" score, he doesn't get the recognition he craves in AH that he obtained in AW. Talk about ego. :noid
If one could factor in Kills per sortie SURVIVED, then I'd be good with Kills per SORTIE showing some valuable quality of skill .......but just bunching up into a harry furball and trying to kill as many dolts as possible before some dolt inevitably kills me is equivalent to falling into a bottomless pit.
Bleh~!
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I always preferred to look at kill/sortie over kill/death as kill/sortie better indicates how effective one is.
As for Zazen's comment about the "Shane effect"... all I have to do is point to him flying at 30k in AW, surrounded by a bunch of sychopants determined to protect him at all costs, as he used them for bait and meatshields.In AH Zaz isn't not much different despite his claim of "living for the fight." "Fight" apparently means only when he has advantage, otherwise he just runs screaming for his newest batch of sheeple to save him. He's all about his k/d, it's that simple... and sad. But hey, it's his dime, right? I've used my dimes over the years to explore and enjoy *all* aspects of this game. :banana:
I don't mind 2 or 3 vs me, but when I'm already engaged with those 2 or 3 and then several more jump in (especially when they find out it's me - does anyone hunt zazen?) that's where you'll see me call poepl on it. :aok
I think he's miffed that despite his walls of text and "leet" score, he doesn't get the recognition he craves in AH that he obtained in AW. Talk about ego. :noid
I believe it was zazen who use to fly "40K" in AW. We went 3 on 3 Bz vs Az in AW and Zazen was one of them. In seconds We wiped out Zazen, LPN, and I forget the third. It seems that one of our guys, not me, got the 6 of one of their pilots and it was all over. Zazen does know the tricks for sure. He has to fly his wife's account to take any risk whatsoever. Most Muppets I see are on the deck fighting 3 or 4 guys at a time. Always improving their skills and testing their ability. P.S. I'm not sure if Zazen is still a muppet.
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I believe it was zazen who use to fly "40K" in AW. We went 3 on 3 Bz vs Az in AW and Zazen was one of them. In seconds We wiped out Zazen, LPN, and I forget the third. It seems that one of our guys, not me, got the 6 of one of their pilots and it was all over. Zazen does know the tricks for sure. He has to fly his wife's account to take any risk whatsoever. Most Muppets I see are on the deck fighting 3 or 4 guys at a time. Always improving their skills and testing their ability. P.S. I'm not sure if Zazen is still a muppet.
I am too old to remember that far back. But, the mere fact that you vividly and in specific detail remember killing me once over a decade ago speaks volumes... ;)
PS. I'm still a Muppet
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I always preferred to look at kill/sortie over kill/death as kill/sortie better indicates how effective one is.
I don't mind 2 or 3 vs me, but when I'm already engaged with those 2 or 3 and then several more jump in (especially when they find out it's me - does anyone hunt zazen?)
Umm Shane...er Oopsy in AW...you yourself used to spend a great deal of your time at 30k trying in vain to hunt me...no doubt in a fruitless effort to douse that scorching case of noodle envy I inadvertently afflicted you with :aok
I agree with YEAGER, kills/sortie is more reflective of the ammoload of your plane than anything else. It is also very distorted by whether you routinely (or never, in my case) re-arm. In my personal opinion, all four metrics (kills/time, Gunnery, kills/death and kills/sortie) need to be weighed in relatively equal proportion to get a "bead" on how "good" a MA flyer someone may be. Keep in mind being "good" in the MA isn't necessarily the same as being adept at any one thing in particular, it's the sum total of all of the attributes that make one successful in the chaotic MA environment; Gunnery, SA, flying skill, tactical judgement, etc.
It's far too easy to manipulate one or two of the metrics in isolation, but to keep all four up to a high degree of proficiency does require a broad spectrum of skill no matter what anyone tries to tell you to the contrary. For example, getting a high K/D is easy enough, fly ultra cautious, but then your kills/time will suck goat nutz, they are almost mutually exclusive, so it's a precarious balance.
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If one could factor in Kills per sortie SURVIVED, then I'd be good with Kills per SORTIE showing some valuable quality of skill .......but just bunching up into a harry furball and trying to kill as many dolts as possible before some dolt inevitably kills me is equivalent to falling into a bottomless pit.
Bleh~!
Exactly, anyone with decent gunnery and a modicum of E management sense can dive into a furball with an Lgay7, flail around for a minute or two popping SA'less baby seals until his E runs out and he gets ganged banged. Sure, they'll potentially have good looking Kills/time and kills/sortie doing that. But, that's not "good" by my definition. Wasting your smash in a frenzied exchange for fast kills and inevitable death is tactical stupidity. I have more respect for the tactically prudent pilot that uses that smash economically to kill without having to resort to dropping his pants for the horde.
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I seen the thread title with "timid' in it...last post by Zazen, I had to drop in for a view :D
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I am too old to remember that far back. But, the mere fact that you vividly and in specific detail remember killing me once over a decade ago speaks volumes... ;)
PS. I'm still a Muppet
I didn't kill you. I killed LPN. hehe. The fact was we were 42k is what speaks volumes. What happen there was the first az got into trouble. You went to help the first Az, then our second guy went to help our first guy. LPN saw that and went in on our second guy. I saw LPN go in the second guy to save you and in about 10 seconds it was over. It was Az, bz, az, bz, Az, bz, with the bz on every Az 6. It was the first Az that got every one else killed.
BTW, I do have a vivid memory. A top student once told me I should take the CPA exam because my memory was so good. I did and I passed. Still a lot of work.
Frankly though, I could care less how you fly. Fly the way you enjoy. I do. Yesterday there were two 51s hanging and a zero hanging over a field at about 15k. They watched as we slaughtered their comrades. Finally as my fuel was about gone and the numbers were overwhelming I slithered out under the nose of a 15k corsair. Ended up landing 6 kills while they just hung over the field fearing a high con would get them. Reminds me of the old days. LOL These days I don't taunt so much. I have no bragging rights and get owned regularly.