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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Yarbles on February 17, 2011, 07:24:32 AM
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Not meant to be offensive or troll just saying.
I notice they tend to stay high one makes a pass then they are all back up high again. If you climb up to them and they can't kill you quickly they seem to back away and climb further but tend not to engage as readily as others.
Clearly its their choice and there is no right way of doing things but if they are in a fight rather than thinking either;
Great easy kills, or this will be dangerous but fun, I tend to think oh dear this could be a bit boring.
I am sure they are trying to perfect something and perhaps when they have it, it will be more exciting but currently it can seem like 5 or so guys perching high over a base and staying there. The best defence is often just stay low as it seems and they never get to you which I am sure is not the idea. Climbing up to them is often a bit like a waste of time as if you are on your own they get you and if you have anything like equal numbers they seem to just climb more and back away.
This is just my experience and perhaps some of my squaddies, do others have the same expeirience of this?
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Ruins the fun for me if they don't want to get down and dirty. It's a game, what's the
point in living? I do enough living with this 'real life' crap anyway.
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that seems to be how they work, and its pretty effective :uhoh
boring? sure if everybody flew that way, but it would be boring if everyone flew 190 suicide dar runs, or eveyone flew in circles at 120mph in I16s. variety is the spice of life :)
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"loose deuce" would mean something i suppose or not :D
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Just to be clear I am not trying to tell anyone what to do I am just interested what others think.
I also realise 10 guys turning up from "The Few" (Many :D) can kill a furball and turn it into a vulch. What makes the game interesting is the shifting dynamic.
that seems to be how they work, and its pretty effective :uhoh
boring? sure if everybody flew that way, but it would be boring if everyone flew 190 suicide dar runs, or eveyone flew in circles at 120mph in I16s. variety is the spice of life :)
I probably haven't seen what their doing working at its best. I would suggest its a tactic that makes allot of sense when you are heavily out numbered but otherwise I am not sure. The idea I would have thought is to drive down but you then have to accept other cons may join the fight above you.
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Not meant to be offensive or troll just saying.
I notice they tend to stay high one makes a pass then they are all back up high again. If you climb up to them and they can't kill you quickly they seem to back away and climb further but tend not to engage as readily as others.
Clearly its their choice and there is no right way of doing things but if they are in a fight rather than thinking either;
Great easy kills, or this will be dangerous but fun, I tend to think oh dear this could be a bit boring.
I am sure they are trying to perfect something and perhaps when they have it, it will be more exciting but currently it can seem like 5 or so guys perching high over a base and staying there. The best defence is often just stay low as it seems and they never get to you which I am sure is not the idea. Climbing up to them is often a bit like a waste of time as if you are on your own they get you and if you have anything like equal numbers they seem to just climb more and back away.
This is just my experience and perhaps some of my squaddies do others have the same expeirience of this?
As the Founder and CO of the ~<<~Loose Deuce~>>~ Squadron let me just quote some of your Squadmates and others too
excellent group of guys know exactly what there doing. <S> loose deuce !!!
<S> Loose Deuce!!
I dont really know anyone outta this squad but over the past week i have been in combat beside some of their members and they seem a class act real nice people and cleared my tail more than once.
Congrats on a year gone fella's - always fun to fly with or against ya (preferably with as you keep killing me when against lol.....)
Oh yeah, and do what BlauK said, I'll look forward to meeting/seeing ya there in Virrat!!
:salute
Wurzel
Dhyran and crew are amongst the classiest in the game. Great squadron of gents!
:salute
Way
I've had quite a few run ins with Gunhog and Trogdor this week usually resulting in a 38G careening out of the sky and digging a deep crater in the ground, both gents were gracious in victory and the occasional defeat. Someone looking for a home could be well served trying Loose Deuce on for size.
only some comments, told me in the past we didn't choose the wrong way
just to add, we fly to rtb, we are looking for a good fight but we don't run low into a furball, We love to fly and enjoying the good times with friends, We fly and fight together! Most LD members are flying online for more than 8-10 years
If we wanna gamble, we start a Challenge at the SDL! So if you think we are lame sticks and we are boring for the gameplay please ask yourself why we LD won the last year SDL season
Maybe an remark, we are an international Squadron, average age around 40, most having family, childs and working hard at their jobs! We are 50% europeans and 50% US timezone players so forgive us that we don't fly low and dies quickly over and over in all the furballs.
<S>
dhyran
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No doubt I havent seen you at your best.
You certainly have something to win SDL like that :salute.
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No doubt I havent seen you at your best.
You certainly have something to win SDL like that :salute.
well, i just didn't get your point yarbles? Maybe you should read along on our homepage, we have some descripions there how we wanna fly and fight
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Yarbles are you the pot or the kettle?
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Yarbles are you the pot or the kettle?
:lol
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Yarbles are you the pot or the kettle?
:lol :rofl
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well, i just didn't get your point yarbles? Maybe you should read along on our homepage, we have some descripions there how we wanna fly and fight
Yeah perhaps I just don't understand what you are trying to achieve. I will have a look.
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I respect the way Loose Deuce operate and if their members choose to focus on scoring a couple of victories together, while risking very little, then more power to them.
<S> Dhyran and LD, I can't wait for our next SDL match.
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:lol :rofl
:rofl :lol :rofl
Its all good fun when people don't take it too seriously.
No offence Dhryan I will try and work out what your up to if my tiny brain can comprehend it :D
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I respect the way Loose Deuce operate and if their members choose to focus on scoring a couple of victories together, while risking very little, then more power to them.
<S> Dhyran and LD, I can't wait for our next SDL match.
I assume the goal requires allot of well practiced team work which is major challenge for any squad. Done right I expect it can achieve allot more than that.
SDL will be interesting as "The Few" have a surfeit of very skillfull sticks (I am not including myself in that) but LD perhaps might counter that with disciplined team play.
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Yarbles are you the pot or the kettle?
To be fair, Yarbles has a hard time staying airborne, let alone being an effective wingman to cherry pick with. :devil
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I comprehend it fine. :aok
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I also realise 10 guys turning up from "The Few" (Many :D) can kill a furball and turn it into a vulch. What makes the game interesting is the shifting dynamic.
Well, if theres a 25 v 25 furball (whats not a small one), and 10 of ya guys show up, sure you can kill everyone ;)
Same with the LD.
But i hear you Yarbles, todays "if i dont have all the cards, then RUN!" behaviour is tiring and boring. And generally not good.
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To be fair, Yarbles has a hard time staying airborne, let alone being an effective wingman to cherry pick with. :devil
Well I don't get much chance to wing with you when you spend all your time on here :D
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SDL will be interesting as "The Few" have a surfeit of very skillfull sticks (I am not including myself in that) but LD perhaps might counter that with disciplined team play.
like i said after the last years SDL match againts the few, "the few have a few better sticks than LD, but they didn't stick together! But we did" We are focused on teamplay, thats why you see allways a bunch of LDs together.
And we take not La7s or spit16, we took our time also in slower climbers and play for the happy ending ;)
(http://pics.loose-deuce.net/Ld_n.jpg)
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Yarbles, I seem to remember a while back that you and I had five or six 1v1s in the MA. You were in the Spit8 or 9 and me in the P-40E. Every time I had to come to your base and you were always thousands of feet over my head. You would do BnZ until you finally got some hits on my flaps and then you would actually engage in a turn fight. I died every time the same way and every time you did the same fraidy cat fight. So to answer your question, yes it is boring.
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It's very rare to find players who admire solid teamwork and tactics these days.
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Yarbles, I seem to remember a while back that you and I had five or six 1v1s in the MA. You were in the Spit8 or 9 and me in the P-40E. Every time I had to come to your base and you were always thousands of feet over my head. You would do BnZ until you finally got some hits on my flaps and then you would actually engage in a turn fight. I died every time the same way and every time you did the same fraidy cat fight. So to answer your question, yes it is boring.
Yes I think thats because I worked out you were a better stick than me ;) So I thought this is how I can kill this guy.
What do you think I should have done differently?
I think most of us want to improve in as well as enjoy the game. Cautious play at the individual level seems to hold back the develoment of skills sometimes as well as being a bit boring for the opponent.
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It's very rare to find players who admire solid teamwork and tactics these days.
:old:
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So you're concerned that your flying style might be boring for LD? If they're complaining they can probably just find somebody else to fight.
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Yes I think thats because I worked out you were a better stick than me ;) So I thought this is how I can kill this guy.
What do you think I should have done differently?
If you wanted the best chance to win, nothing. If you wanted to challenge yourself, try meeting me at 5k like I kept coming in at. After the first two victories, maybe you could have tried to meet me on even terms. You had the plane advantage for a TnB fight.
But the reason I posted was merely to point out the hypocrisy of this thread. Play the game your way but don't complain that others are doing the exact same things you do.
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So you're concerned that your flying style might be boring for LD? If they're complaining they can probably just find somebody else to fight.
You never will see an LD pilot complaing about other playstyle! If so he isn't anymore an LD pilot! Thats written down at our ruleset and all members agreed thoose
http://www.loose-deuce.net/rules/
:salute
dhyran
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Yarbles, I seem to remember a while back that you and I had five or six 1v1s in the MA. You were in the Spit8 or 9 and me in the P-40E. Every time I had to come to your base and you were always thousands of feet over my head. You would do BnZ until you finally got some hits on my flaps and then you would actually engage in a turn fight. I died every time the same way and every time you did the same fraidy cat fight. So to answer your question, yes it is boring.
Thats funny I was thinking about the same thing. I was in a SBD and him in a Spit several K above me. BnZ and the entire time. Missing quite a few times as well. The I got my oil hit and was going to RTB then he comes zooming in for the kill.
So in my opinion, threads like these are pointless, and never really end well.
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So in my opinion, threads like these are pointless, and never really end well.
thats right but i had to answer that one .....
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You never will see an LD pilot complaing about other playstyle! If so he isn't anymore an LD pilot! Thats written down at our ruleset and all members agreed thoose
http://www.loose-deuce.net/rules/
:salute
dhyran
I wish more squadrons would impliment that rule, my own included. It's simply bad taste. I find people who think they're above others because of the plane they choose to fly is bad taste also.
And we take not La7s or spit16
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I totally understand defending your squad name, but I think it makes the OP look incredibly silly. Why complain about what others do, or how other squads work. I'm sure if people really wanted to the could point out things about "The Few".
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Just had a look at the roster on your site dhyran,
Good to read the background stories of some of the guys that shoot me down!
:salute
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I totally understand defending your squad name, but I think it makes the OP look incredibly silly. Why complain about what others do, or how other squads work. I'm sure if people really wanted to the could point out things about "The Few".
I am sure they could but persoanlly I wouldn't feel I had to be thin skinned about it. I think Holmes put it well.
boring? sure if everybody flew that way, but it would be boring if everyone flew 190 suicide dar runs, or eveyone flew in circles at 120mph in I16s. variety is the spice of life :)
I didn't realise people were going to get upset that easily so I appologse and will be more carefull in future in asking questions and expressing opinions :)
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But why come to the BBS with it? What have you proved?
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But why come to the BBS with it? What have you proved?
Thats my point perhaps unlike some I am not out to prove anything. I was interested how the LD style of play fits into the game and what they are trying to achieve. Dhryan explained it very well and holmes put it in context. I realise now more than before when I fly timidly it can be boring for those who want to get at me espeically if they end up dead.
I also realise people are very proud of their squads and fairly sensitive to criticism.
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You never will see an LD pilot complaing about other playstyle! If so he isn't anymore an LD pilot! Thats written down at our ruleset and all members agreed thoose
http://www.loose-deuce.net/rules/
:salute
dhyran
Sorry my point wasn't clear. I was just turning it around in an attempt to help the OP see things more clearly. :salute
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You never will see an LD pilot complaing about other playstyle! If so he isn't anymore an LD pilot! Thats written down at our ruleset and all members agreed thoose
Well that sets you appart form at least a large mInirity of those who fly in the MA.
I don't have any strong views about it one way or the other except constant moaning about hoing, picking, running etc gets a bit boring.
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I also realise people are very proud of their squads and fairly sensitive to criticism.
See for me my squad is like my extended family. Hajo is like dad, Shamus is like the crazy old uncle that everyone makes fun of, and the rest are like goofball brothers.
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See for me my squad is like my extended family. Hajo is like dad, Shamus is like the crazy old uncle that everyone makes fun of, and the rest are like goofball brothers.
Yeah but even a family has to be open to constructive cricism from outside to function well. Dhryans approach is to ban criticisim that I don't agree with.
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See for me my squad is like my extended family. .....
same here, takeing the ball for a homerun now, we LD have one seat to offer
You should be over 21 and having a KD above 1, more details here
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,255201.195.html
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Ok if I came in here and said "The Few" is a bunch of score monkeys, only fly as a horde and are timid little penquins and the way they play takes away from my fun. What would you say? How would you feel about someone attacking your squad, your buddies.
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Yeah but even a family has to be open to constructive cricism from outside to function well. Dhryans approach is to ban criticisim that I don't agree with.
well,
ok where ist the constructive point inside the initial posting?????
i am not banning critism, our rules just says we discuss critical things in private and we do not offend people or squads in general
rule 3:
Everybody will provide maximum assistance best to his abilities that will mainly apply towards newbies. We will never assault any player neither another Loose Deuce nor a stranger in public. Differences of opinion will be dealt with in private (i.e. by e-mail) never in public. If a member of the Loose Deuce is repeatedly attracting attention by means of inappropriate postings of insulting contents expulsion from the squadron might be a consequence
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Ok if I came in here and said "The Few" is a bunch of score monkeys, only fly as a horde and are timid little penquins and the way they play takes away from my fun. What would you say? How would you feel about someone attacking your squad, your buddies.
Well, I would say you're not far from the truth! :D
In jest, in jest.
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I'd say just take a look at my score to see otherwise :D :banana:
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Very nice diffusal of the situation, Yarbles. This was turning into a "Take him out back and beat the sh%& out of him" thread and you ruined it. :( You would make a pretty good politician. :D
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Ok if I came in here and said "The Few" is a bunch of score monkeys, only fly as a horde and are timid little penquins and the way they play takes away from my fun. What would you say?
Is that what this thread is about? Ignore feature is good on this board but I'm missing almost half of the thread.
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We can still make it that way.
Any of you people get kicked out of your squadron for insulting another player you have an invite to kommando nowotny.
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Is that what this thread is about? Ignore feature is good on this board but I'm missing almost half of the thread.
Its more about one person didn't like the way another squad flies in AH. Its nothing really, just a discussion now.
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LMAO Nate!! :rofl
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But why come to the BBS with it? What have you proved?
more drama
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I'd say just take a look at my score to see otherwise :D :banana:
no, i think you got it in another way, its all about stoke city, insn't it :D
cheers mickyd :cheers:
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:rofl :rofl Dark times.
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I want more medals....
:bolt:
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Just to add Yarbles once molested my dog and The Few ganged my little sister
:uhoh
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LMAO Nate!! :rofl
Just trying to make the world a happier place. :D
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Ok if I came in here and said "The Few" is a bunch of score monkeys, only fly as a horde and are timid little penquins and the way they play takes away from my fun. What would you say? How would you feel about someone attacking your squad, your buddies.
If I came in and said your squad were a bunch of martians who stole all the pies what would you say? I bet you wouldn't be that offended.
I played against "The Few" before I was a member and so have already alluded to how we might be taking away peoples fun.. However I am not offended and would not be offended by what you say becasue in small part it is true sometimes but certainly no more than any other squad. I don't need to wax on about the strengths of "The Few" becase by any objective measure they are clearly estimable to anyone who wants to be reasonable about the subject.
When I was in Precision (+) I thought what a great squad it was also but we would sometimes kill a load of hangers and ruin a fight in the same way when "The Few" join a fight it is sometimes over very quickly.
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same here, takeing the ball for a homerun now, we LD have one seat to offer
You should be over 21 and having a KD above 1, more details here
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,255201.195.html
... taking the ball for a homerun? :headscratch:
Carry on.
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well,
ok where ist the constructive point inside the initial posting?????
Hang on a minute it does sound a bit like I am having a go at you :headscratch: :D.
Do I really have the balls to give you advice at this stage :lol :lol
er........................
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I am gonna get out the popcorn and beer on this one. Should be fun...
(http://www.cheersandgears.com/public/style_emoticons/default/popcorn.gif)
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I am gonna get out the popcorn and beer on this one. Should be fun...
(http://www.cheersandgears.com/public/style_emoticons/default/popcorn.gif)
can i join waystin ? ;) :cheers:
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er here it is :o
I can only my own experiences on this one and the conclussions I drew. About 2 tours ago I got around 4.5 :1 KD in the Spit 14. Its a perked ride and that sort of K/D for me requires allot of caution and I leaned heavily on my more agressive squaddies. At the first pinch from anything looking like a gang, or a bit turney or a bit tasty I switched on the after burners and went up out of harms way. So I got better at SA, winging and picking etc during the month but at the end of it my ACM's had gone nowhere. The approach of itself on its own can lead into a few dead ends along the way and some grief from the other side on 200.
Since LD won SDL last year I reckon from a team play aspect you were the best squad in the game last year (in SDL) Your rise in the event was meteoric and it burned a few people close to home. Going forward you may I say may and only possibly and with respect of course need now to strengthen the individual links. In the process you might be even more fun than you are already for the rest of us.
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er here it is :o
I can only my own experiences on this one and the conclussions I drew. About 2 tours ago I got around 4.5 :1 KD in the Spit 14. Its a perked ride and that sort of K/D for me requires allot of caution and I leaned heavily on my more agressive squaddies. At the first pinch from anything looking like a gang, or a bit turney or a bit tasty I switched on the after burners and went up out of harms way. So I got better at SA, winging and picking etc during the month but at the end of it my ACM's had gone nowhere. The approach of itself on its own can lead into a few dead ends along the way and some grief from the other side on 200.
Since LD won SDL last year I reckon from a team play aspect you were the best squad in the game last year (in SDL) Your rise in the event was meteoric and it burned a few people close to home. Going forward you may I say may and only possibly and with respect of course need now to strengthen the idividual links. In the process you might be even more fun than you are already for the rest of us.
well,
i maybe can explain it, we play different styles inside MA and DA or even scenarios
inside the main we fly and fight and still having the rtb option on our mind, or even in scenarios we try to create a situation with and advantage, following the old fighter ace rule, if you didn't found yourself in a better position of the con, you have done something wrong! Yes, and for sure, climbing up to 20 k in a f4u 1a is not everyones fav, but in this way we have some time to talk trash, when engaged we are back in brevity code talk. We are just focused doing good as a group, if another LD get the kill, its allright for you. there are some more secrets, but all i can tell is lube and shame :D
SDL is totaly different, much more agressive, no advantage, same numbers same plane! the better team wins, pure teamplay, good SA skills needed to make it through. all we try is to build an overall picture, everyone throws in some puzzlepieces to make it happen
Like last match against the Pigs on the wings, we never lost a 190A8 match ever before, but the Pigs beat the hell out of us in that round, they build up a better overall situation at their side!
We didn't took our chances, and the pigs were concentrated and made some great shots. the overall match ended 3:2 for LD , but it was 2:1 during the match for the pigs. You never can get more adrenaline like in such a situation, i personal loved the situation that we were faced with loosing this SDL match. SDL is for us like esports, its a drug! therefore, snappy Salute to the Pigs again! but you can't play it that way inside the MA, because therefore you need to fly constantly LA7 of spit16, both are some kind of "no go" for us
:salute
dhyran
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can i join waystin ? ;) :cheers:
You might as well. Because as soon as I read this:
Not meant to be offensive or troll just saying.
I knew this thread was not gonna amount to much.
:salute
Way
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yarbles wtf is wrong with you :bhead you know how many BBS warriors are on here but yet you challenge them anyway leave the lemmings alone :rolleyes:
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...We will never assault any player neither another Loose Deuce nor a stranger in public....
LD assaults me all the time with bullets, just saying. Only thing I don't like is that I rarely get to fight a LD 1v1. When I do get the chance it's almost always a quality fight, especially with 4brkfast. You guys are good at what you do for sure.
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yarbles wtf is wrong with you :bhead you know how many BBS warriors are on here but yet you challenge them anyway leave the lemmings alone :rolleyes:
:headscratch: I feel it has all turned out nicely though the OP was too provocative.
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:headscratch: I feel it has all turned out nicely though the OP was too provocative.
my donut if they cant understand where you are coming from they are eating it up just ignore them.This was not the place for it yarbs pms next time man you know how these Warriors are :rolleyes:
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well,
i maybe can explain it, we play different styles inside MA and DA or even scenarios
inside the main we fly and fight and still having the rtb option on our mind, or even in scenarios we try to create a situation with and advantage, following the old fighter ace rule, if you didn't found yourself in a better position of the con, you have done something wrong! Yes, and for sure, climbing up to 20 k in a f4u 1a is not everyones fav, but in this way we have some time to talk trash, when engaged we are back in brevity code talk. We are just focused doing good as a group, if another LD get the kill, its allright for you. there are some more secrets, but all i can tell is lube and shame :D
SDL is totaly different, much more agressive, no advantage, same numbers same plane! the better team wins, pure teamplay, good SA skills needed to make it through. all we try is to build an overall picture, everyone throws in some puzzlepieces to make it happen
Like last match against the Pigs on the wings, we never lost a 190A8 match ever before, but the Pigs beat the hell out of us in that round, they build up a better overall situation at their side!
We didn't took our chances, and the pigs were concentrated and made some great shots. the overall match ended 3:2 for LD , but it was 2:1 during the match for the pigs. You never can get more adrenaline like in such a situation, i personal loved the situation that we were faced with loosing this SDL match. SDL is for us like esports, its a drug! therefore, snappy Salute to the Pigs again! but you can't play it that way inside the MA, because therefore you need to fly constantly LA7 of spit16, both are some kind of "no go" for us
:salute
dhyran
Thanks for taking the time to explain. Like me you only want to fly certain planes and that influnences the style of play of course. Now I understand better what you are doing I will look at it and obviously overcoming it with more interest.
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my donut if they cant understand where you are coming from then ignore them.This was not the place for it yarbs pms next time man you know how these Warriors are :rolleyes:
Yes but I am interested what others have to say on the subject as well. I don't feel people need to be so precious about the game. Ok I ve acknowledged it was too provocative but whatever you say their will be negative and positive responses and then its up to the individual to decide which to focus on. Sure I ve taken a bit of cricism but some certainly well deserved so what :banana: :old:
I don't think Dhryan and LDare going to be frothing over this tonight what anyone else wants to do is up to them :neener:
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No one "takes your fun away".
You are responsible for your own fun. Its no one elses concern.
:old:,
Wab
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but you can't play it that way inside the MA, because therefore you need to fly constantly LA7 of spit16, both are some kind of "no go" for us
hehe...i read this, then logged in and saw this! :)
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9971/56605290.jpg) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/56605290.jpg/)
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hehe...i read this, then logged in and saw this! :)
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9971/56605290.jpg) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/56605290.jpg/)
:rofl :aok :lol :D
Hope he has enough rope ;)
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hehe...i read this, then logged in and saw this! :)
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9971/56605290.jpg) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/56605290.jpg/)
:rofl
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No one "takes your fun away".
My wife has hidden the Gin :huh
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My wife has hidden the Gin :huh
And this is a perfect example. Rather than sitting here pining away for your lost gin, you need to take the initiative and go purchase more gin. Further, you must make it abundantly clear that further gin disappearances will be met with sanctions.
Wiley.
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Not meant to be offensive or troll just saying.
I notice they tend to stay high one makes a pass then they are all back up high again. If you climb up to them and they can't kill you quickly they seem to back away and climb further but tend not to engage as readily as others.
Clearly its their choice and there is no right way of doing things but if they are in a fight rather than thinking either;
Great easy kills, or this will be dangerous but fun, I tend to think oh dear this could be a bit boring.
I am sure they are trying to perfect something and perhaps when they have it, it will be more exciting but currently it can seem like 5 or so guys perching high over a base and staying there. The best defence is often just stay low as it seems and they never get to you which I am sure is not the idea. Climbing up to them is often a bit like a waste of time as if you are on your own they get you and if you have anything like equal numbers they seem to just climb more and back away.
This is just my experience and perhaps some of my squaddies, do others have the same expeirience of this?
Just find a way to counter there moves.
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hehe...i read this, then logged in and saw this! :)
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9971/56605290.jpg) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/56605290.jpg/)
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:rofl :lol :rofl
Its all good fun when people don't take it too seriously.
No offence Dhryan I will try and work out what your up to if my tiny brain can comprehend it :D
Maybe the point is to have fun when they fly together. I know, having fun seems to be a forbidden thing in this game these days, damn the LD guys for trying to have some <shakes fist>.
ack-ack
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And this is a perfect example. Rather than sitting here pining away for your lost gin, you need to take the initiative and go purchase more gin. Further, you must make it abundantly clear that further gin disappearances will be met with sanctions.
Wiley.
Its cheaper to just whine about it on here and you haven't met my wife :cry
:rofl
Thats very unkind and opportunistic he didn't say they never fly the LA7 did he?
Just find a way to counter there moves.
Oooooooooooooooof who is that in the picture with the ears on :x
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Many different people play the game for many different reasons. learn where and how to get what you want out of it. MA are and have always been FFA.
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Good winging is an art form, much more complex and less defined in any given situation. A lot of it is just pure instinct. I respect quality teamwork in this game even if I am on the receiving end of it. LD have proven they are elite in regards to this. They cause severe irritance against their enemies and also won season 1 of the squad dueling league. :cheers: LD.
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hehe...i read this, then logged in and saw this! :)
(http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/9971/56605290.jpg) (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/56605290.jpg/)
hahaha, you got me there!
we have to learn it for our upcoming SDL vs Rolling Thunder at next Sunday
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Its cheaper to just whine about it on here and you haven't met my wife :cry
*sigh* You've got to take command, sir. Walk up to her, look her straight in the eye, and demand to know where your gin is in an assertive voice. Do not break eye contact first, this is critical! If she denies knowledge of it, repeat the demand, and add 'or else'. The consequences should start with withholding something she likes, such as chocolate or money.
This will fix your problem, one way or the other. Either you will have your pilfered gin returned to you, or this incident has a chance to initiate divorce proceedings. Either way, you come out on top and can get back to your gin.
:D :bolt:
Wiley.
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Good winging is an art form, much more complex and less defined in any given situation. A lot of it is just pure instinct. I respect quality teamwork in this game even if I am on the receiving end of it. LD have proven they are elite in regards to this. They cause severe irritance against their enemies and also won season 1 of the squad dueling league. :cheers: LD.
I can count on one hand how many true Wingmen I've had in 11 years of flying online.
Instinctive knowing where and what i'm going to do next without having to say so on comms and vice versa. It is most definitely an art form when done properly.
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Good winging is an art form, much more complex and less defined in any given situation. A lot of it is just pure instinct. I respect quality teamwork in this game even if I am on the receiving end of it. LD have proven they are elite in regards to this. They cause severe irritance against their enemies and also won season 1 of the squad dueling league. :cheers: LD.
Thanks Sir! :cheers:
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I was winging with the LD only once, but was a lot of fun. Those guys rather sacrafice themselfes only to save their buddies. We should learn from them.
Salute LD
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Oooooooooooooooof who is that in the picture with the ears on :x
My wife, you dingus.
All you need to do is see what they do as a teamwork. Then try to find a way to counter their moves so that you last longer and make it harder to kill you. LD are good stick, yes. Been up against them a few times and recognized their flying. Most of the time they will get me, however, i'll make them work harder for the kill.
There is a plus side of the situation, better defensive ACM.
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I was winging with the LD only once, but was a lot of fun. Those guys rather sacrafice themselfes only to save their buddies. We should learn from them.
Salute LD
Hehe, they fly smart, fly with great tactics. :salute We never help out yarbles, or at least I don't (I like to hear his Awsome voice of his yell "help me, I'm down here!" :lol :P
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*sigh* You've got to take command, sir. Walk up to her, look her straight in the eye, and demand to know where your gin is in an assertive voice. Do not break eye contact first, this is critical! If she denies knowledge of it, repeat the demand, and add 'or else'. The consequences should start with withholding something she likes, such as chocolate or money.
This will fix your problem, one way or the other. Either you will have your pilfered gin returned to you, or this incident has a chance to initiate divorce proceedings. Either way, you come out on top and can get back to your gin.
:D :bolt:
Wiley.
But keep in mind, that after enjoying said gin, don't bother approaching her for a little "slap and tickle"... She is unlikely to be receptive. :bolt:
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I had the pleasure of flying with Loose Deuce during my rotation event and I spent 2 weeks with them. They are good guys, based all over the world, and are becoming more and more involved with the game (which makes the game better for all).
They center their entire game-play around wingman tactics, which equates to great victories within the SDL. In the MA, this type of flying can quickly overwhelm scattered and disorganized furballs and can get frustrating for those on the receiving end of multiple attackers. That said, I wouldn't hold it against them, it just isn't my style of play. The few SAPP nights we have where everyone tends to work together is a good indicator I wouldn't like it on a long term basis, but I can understand the allure of it.
Every squad has winged together and worked cons mercilessly, to throw stones at anyone is hypocritical.
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Obviously you have never encountered me and or engaged me in a fight Yarbles.
I offer every dweeb move to my opponents in my spit16. Mistake after mistake, death after death.
In fact most players run away from me right after the merge since they cannot believe how bad my opening move is.
And when I happen to get on a 6, rare as it may be, it takes 200 20mm for me to remove a small part of my opponents plane. Normally I just scratch the paint a little. Why the LD keeps me in the squad is a mystery......
So you call the ball Yarbles, anytime I'm online I'll show you my skills at flying right into your bullets, auguring at low alt, turning right when I should have turned left, etc..... or will that be too boring too?
~kc
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....Why the LD keeps me in the squad is a mystery......
~kc
hahahaa Kc, you know why and thats it! But i learned you are much more dangerous in a 109g6 :aok
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Every squad has winged together and worked cons mercilessly, to throw stones at anyone is hypocritical.
That is one oddity with this game that I just can't wrap my head around. Here's a game, with a couple hundred or more people in the arena at once, allegedly broken up into 3 sides. The members of these 3 sides are (I would assume) theoretically supposed to work together to accomplish whatever goal they want to accomplish against the other two sides.
Yet there is a fairly sizable, quite vocal portion of the playerbase who call people down when they work together.
Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot?
LD's methods are sound. I think it's the fact that to put up a defense against their style of play takes patience and teamwork is the reason why people don't want to do it. Apparently, your enemies coming in above 3000 feet and working together degrades the quality of play...
Wiley.
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If we wanna gamble, we start a Challenge at the SDL! So if you think we are lame sticks and we are boring for the gameplay please ask yourself why we LD won the last year SDL season
Because your group of timid flyers ho every pass???????
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Because your group of timid flyers ho every pass???????
:eek:
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:eek:
I know, right?
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Because your group of timid flyers ho every pass???????
Film of it didn't happen.
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Film of it didn't happen.
lol longtimers knows it, you can't discuss HO pick gangbang action. best way to deal with such things is to laugh at it and having a good drink together at a con :)
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Well, all I can say is that I have had no bad experiences against the LD squad..... I know I have had lots of engagements against them, but I recall no gamemanship, name calling, chest thumping, or fingerpointing...in fact I can't recall anything remarkable about our engagements, just good fights. In other words they are doing their work well.
How they fly is their busines, and imho should not be brought to the bbs. I am impressed with the rules they have laid out for thier squad, and having never seen these rules violated by their members, I can only think of one word.
Honorable. :salute
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I understand Dhyran, I go into every fight expecting to be hoed, that way I'm never surprised. :cool:
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PIRATES <---- the only real best squadron in AH
because:
'We' always obey / not obey all kinds of rules :banana:
'We' play all kind of furball, loose deuce, buff, etc. :airplane:
'We' can kick off all the members that not respect our rules !!?? and immediately reintegrating them with merit !! :O
'We' are one, no-one and a lot :O :O :O
Our way of play affects AH in a very simple but elegant way:
if not in game the HTC loose 14.90 $ and AH one of its best nickname after and 7153478 and betty :rofl
:neener:
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Unfortunately 'We' must admit that 'We' have not the best avatar on BBS.
The best avatar is that of Ack-Ack - the one from attack from Mars :rofl
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Yarbles,
I have flown with and against LD, most enjoyable fights were in the Axis versus Allies arena. I have a film that I just viewed last night where it was evident that they had been getting the better of me and my wingmen. I was not so generous in my comments to them or my comments to my wingmen about our engaging them at superior altitude this time. End of story, we still got crunched.
They are indisputably a tight squad. I watched a film from SDL that shows just how tight. The Few also, impress me as a squad that knows how to cover each other well. I think the key phrase here is that they cover each other well.
The part about them disengaging, is uncharacteristic of what I have observed during a battle. I do believe that you have had a different experience, I am just not buying that this is their only style. My squad will disengage for a number of reasons, PW'd member with large number of scalps, RTB, low fuel status RTB, AFK flight lead, etc......
At any rate, I would say that I find that some pilots are trained to do what you described, as a matter of survival. I see it all the time in the MA. I agree it is very frustrating when flying aircraft that have no chance or fuel to chase.
The bottom line is that LD have earned my respect for applying tactics and getting successful results. I think that we all could benefit from the core of what they do, rather than expect them to change the way they choose to disengage.
(Respectfully, I did not read the opinion thoroughly or read any other posts in this thread, so Yarbles, you are still one of the tops in my book also.)
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omg triple post :|
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broken BBS :<
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The part about them disengaging, is uncharacteristic of what I have observed during a battle. I do believe that you have had a different experience, I am just not buying that this is their only style.
Maybe LD are just scared to get down and dirty with yarbles :headscratch:
I know I am!
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perhaps LD are just scared to tangle with yarbles :headscratch:
I know I am
:lol :rofl
When I got back to "The Few" BBS Bruv had my pants down and smacked my botty for me for being a cheeky monkey :cry.
I reckon though the LD's have come out of this very well with allot of messages of support and love though so "its an ill wind" as they say. Its fare to say they have set the standard for team work and team play and are no dobut secure enough to stand up to the odd prod.
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Of course expect the ho in every fight. But they bring it to another level. Personally i have 0 respect for them as a squad. But what does my opinion matter. :salute
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That is one oddity with this game that I just can't wrap my head around. Here's a game, with a couple hundred or more people in the arena at once, allegedly broken up into 3 sides. The members of these 3 sides are (I would assume) theoretically supposed to work together to accomplish whatever goal they want to accomplish against the other two sides.
Yet there is a fairly sizable, quite vocal portion of the playerbase who call people down when they work together.
Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot?
LD's methods are sound. I think it's the fact that to put up a defense against their style of play takes patience and teamwork is the reason why people don't want to do it. Apparently, your enemies coming in above 3000 feet and working together degrades the quality of play...
Wiley.
It does when it is within 1/4 mile of an enemy base and everyone is in full "cherry mode" :aok
JUGgler
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It does when it is within 1/4 mile of an enemy base and everyone is in full "cherry mode" :aok
JUGgler
Yeah, but y'know what? It's about 20 miles from the next enemy base over, which also is capable of launching aircraft that would, in that intervening 20 miles be able to 'climb' and possibly come in with equivalent 'altitude' to the people who are in full "cherry mode". This might allow them to engage in a 'fight' if people were to do this. :aok
Precisely proving my point, defending against this kind of attack requires patience and teamwork, and that's apparently too much effort for some people. Far easier to whine about it.
Wiley.
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Precisely proving my point, defending against this kind of attack requires patience and teamwork, and that's apparently too much effort for some people. Far easier to whine about it.
Wiley.
It does require allot of patience and perseverence plus sometimes a quite selfless attitude to work as a team and that is the point it can seem like work.
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Yeah, but y'know what? It's about 20 miles from the next enemy base over, which also is capable of launching aircraft that would, in that intervening 20 miles be able to 'climb' and possibly come in with equivalent 'altitude' to the people who are in full "cherry mode". This might allow them to engage in a 'fight' if people were to do this. :aok
Precisely proving my point, defending against this kind of attack requires patience and teamwork, and that's apparently too much effort for some people. Far easier to whine about it.
Wiley.
If you're not taking the base what's wrong with hangin 1/2 way out on Dar? You would still have alt and those upping might have a little speed :aok
JUGgler
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It does require allot of patience and perseverence plus sometimes a quite selfless attitude to work as a team and that is the point it can seem like work.
And the alternative is what, 'Don't work together'? They put in the effort to work as a unit, why should they not reap the reward?
If you're not taking the base what's wrong with hangin 1/2 way out on Dar? You would still have alt and those upping might have a little speed :aok
...and I reiterate, what is wrong with, or stopping you, from upping at the next base over to get a little speed and alt before you get there? Why is it their responsibility to make sure you're all set up to go before they attack you? Why is it not your responsibility to put yourself in a position where you can fight effectively before engaging them?
Wiley.
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I don't understand the point of this topic. I guess some people don't like that people are working as a squadron, apparently. That seems odd to me, given what this game is and how dogfighting actually takes place and took place in both modern and past wars.
Those that have any doubts about the talent and skill level of the LD pilots, I will gladly meet you in the DA anytime for a lesson, I mean fight. I love a good 1v1 too.
Having said that, it's been entertaining reading all of this. Thank you yarbles, sincerely. :)
<S> gents, see you in the skies.
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<--- always up for taking lessons
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If people are willing to treat eachother with respect most things can be reasonably looked at and discussed.
The LD style is fairly unique and allot of that has to do with the level of teamwork and commitment they are willing to put in I susspect as well as what they fly. I have found them a bit timid at times but as I said I can't tell anyone what to do and others clearly have had a different experience, apparently the overwhelming majority.
So that speaks for itself and no ego's were damaged during the making of this thread :D
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Oh and who said the few couldn't find love.
LD and Few 4ever.
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I've spent most of my adult life in politics. The old saying is, "so long as they spell your name right it's good press." I think this applies here.
Some squads like to take bases.
Some squads seem to spend most time in ground vehicles.
Some squads seem fly nothing but bombers.
Some squads fly almost exclusively Navy planes.
Some squads fly mostly German planes.
Some squads are almost man for man, 1v1 aces.
Loose Deuce spends their time flying squad tactics.
I love it.
I spent the first year on Aces High tooling around, following green icons, randomly shooting things. I would join missions in a 110 or goon. I would load up a Panzer and take pot shots at other GVs. Boring as camel crap. Last August Dhryan asked me to join Loose Deuce. Took me a week or two to find out what the deal was, finally joined. Best decision I've made. To each their own. LD is all hooked up for our style.
One note about our disengagement. We do not specialize in flying Japanese planes and crashing them into carriers. As a squad we fight together, implying the goal is to both kill the enemy while living. Have you ever been in a squad action, started to get covered up by cons and ordered to disengage? Let me tell you, it is not so easy as you think. You can't simply turn North and hit wep. You have to cover your squadies as they attempt to disengage, while you are disengaging. Most times we are successful, many times not. I find this more challenging then taking a base. Give it a try and you will see it is an adrenaline rush.
In any case, I've enjoyed this whole thread. Pretty good compliment, if in a backhanded way.
Boo
:salute
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U want to understand the Loose Deuce? Then here is what you need to know....
1) We're about heart. We go in together and we come out together. I will have my Wingman's back no matter what.
2) We're about respect. Everyone here is different. We all bring something new to sky, and we respect each other for what we are. A Team!
3) We're about friendship. Sometimes when the real world has been just a little to rough you can always count on a couple laughs.
4) We're about dedication. A dedication to learning new tactics and maneuvers.
5) We're about Teamwork. None of our kills, SDL victories, group sorties, or SEC matches would be possible without knowing that when I dive into a Furball, my buddy is right behind me covering my six.
The Loose Deuce is without a doubt the best group of guys Ive ever had the privilege of taking to the sky with. This game would not be half the good time it is without the LD beside me! So a big snappy <S> Loose Deuce! I will see you in the air!
-KillerT :rock
P.S. I do love the LA-7 though.... :salute
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LD probably flies the same style that I tend to. Get your kills, but stay alive. What I consider smart flying. Not always the most fun for others but requires a certain patience and SA to pull it off with success. With teamwork, your options grow dramatically as far as the situations you can get into and out of with success, situations that might be impossible if alone. I've flown with, trained, or fought against, most of the main characters in this thread, I don't really think there was any real intentional degrading of anyone's squad. More likely just worded, poorly, and should have been kept more general.
:salute
BigRat
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Personally I do find that style of fighting boring but each to their own, I can usually just switch field, or countrys or drop into one of a few arenas in a night to find what I want from the game. :salute
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Of course expect the ho in every fight. But they bring it to another level. Personally i have 0 respect for them as a squad. But what does my opinion matter. :salute
your opinion means....welll.... pretty much..... ummmm.... "squat" :neener:
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LD's <<<S>>>. Don't recall encountering you gents much but from just what I have read in this thread, and especially your teamwork/sim flying style described by your CO, well, thanks for adding to the game with your gameplay.
Excellent <S>
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...and I reiterate, what is wrong with, or stopping you, from upping at the next base over to get a little speed and alt before you get there? Why is it their responsibility to make sure you're all set up to go before they attack you? Why is it not your responsibility to put yourself in a position where you can fight effectively before engaging them?
Wiley.
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JUGgler
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I wish more squadrons would impliment that rule, my own included. It's simply bad taste. I find people who think they're above others because of the plane they choose to fly is bad taste also.
hey kazaa,
we just started to fly a bit LA 7 because of an upcoming SDL match, we didn't knew it realy before. why? its a great plane for field defense, low furballing and stuff, Its engine power is superb below 15k, but it just didn't fit right into our gameplay. We just don't care when other flys it, why should we? Personaly i think if you fly it to often you lose your feeling of keeping the E, because of its massive acceleration. So most of us have no longer experience with it, but we are open mind, so why not learning it. Maybe we will start tonight some "LA7 friday night" sorties. I don't blame anyone for the planes choose, how could i, i am on friday night allways in a pony, because even drunk it brings me home save. i often called it the most alcohol forgiving plane you can fly. those are personal notes, nothing to point at other! What we are all here for, flying nice WW2 birds, shot down people, being shot down, its our freetime, its fun! And it should be fun!
just accept the difference and enjoy your freetime :)
:cheers:
dhyran
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And the alternative is what, 'Don't work together'? They put in the effort to work as a unit, why should they not reap the reward?
No that is not what it's been about at all.
I wanted to see if people had found engaging with LD a bit dull and also see what LD had to say about it and particularly Dhryan. I felt happy doing this as I know Dhryan is secure (Bold and Underlined) and was not expecting him or his squad to have a tizzy fit which of course they didn't.
They as in LD have very eloquently (and actually quite movingly) explained what the squad is about and what it means to them. Others clearly have not shared my experiences though a minority have. The LD style if everyone did it as the mighty Holmes said might lead to tedium as we all endlessly competed for the best perch etc but the game just isn't like that and we don't. Above all we are presented with choices.
Most squads exploit the situation in their own way some with neither skill or teamwork just numbers which is also allowed :D.
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U want to understand the Loose Deuce? Then here is what you need to know....
1) We're about heart. We go in together and we come out together. I will have my Wingman's back no matter what.
2) We're about respect. Everyone here is different. We all bring something new to sky, and we respect each other for what we are. A Team!
3) We're about friendship. Sometimes when the real world has been just a little to rough you can always count on a couple laughs.
4) We're about dedication. A dedication to learning new tactics and maneuvers.
5) We're about Teamwork. None of our kills, SDL victories, group sorties, or SEC matches would be possible without knowing that when I dive into a Furball, my buddy is right behind me covering my six.
The Loose Deuce is without a doubt the best group of guys Ive ever had the privilege of taking to the sky with. This game would not be half the good time it is without the LD beside me! So a big snappy <S> Loose Deuce! I will see you in the air!
-KillerT :rock
P.S. I do love the LA-7 though.... :salute
Interestingly LD do not seem to be about individual ego and driven competition which taken to extreem is not very pretty at all. Their values seem to be overtly of friendship, fraternity and community not world domination.
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They as in LD have very eloquently (and actually quite movingly) explained what the squad is about and what it means to them. Others clearly have not shared my experiences though a minority have. The LD style if everyone did it as the mighty Holmes said might lead to tedium as we all endlessly competed for the best perch etc but the game just isn't like that and we don't. Above all we are presented with choices.
well,
dull, or whatever, we are focused on flying fighters based on wing tactics! I can gurantee not everyone can do the LD style! :O :O oh yes, why?
I was once in a mixed squadron, freshmens, old aces, tank drivers , bomber pilots jabo geeks and fighter pilots. after building up this former squadron over 7 years i left frustrated my friends there because the idea of winging up all together in elements just never works. Too much different options to go for, but following the LD method (double attack subversion by R.L Shaw) of free and engaged fighter requeries a strong relationship between each other, only people able to let their ego aside can do.
So in short, there is a reason because we don't accept pilots with a KD below 1 into the LD. Trust is build on results, less talk more action, and a result is not the kill you make, a good drag or a good flown bracket has the same weight for us. We have an internal ranking just for fun, a nice database solution programmed by my xo gathoo, but this stays in private
my focus recruiting new LD member is how they act in public, maybe you see here why
dhyran
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I think LD are fine, I like the challenge of a skilled high-altitude enemy. If everyone just furballls all day then we would all get bored of the game.
S!
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Others clearly have not shared my experiences....
Or maybe we just don't give a crap about another whine thread about how some squadron isn't fighting the way someone else wants them to.
ack-ack
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I think LD are fine, I like the challenge of a skilled high-altitude enemy. If everyone just furballls all day then we would all get bored of the game.
S!
same back to you gents!
:salute
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Interestingly LD do not seem to be about individual ego and driven competition which taken to extreem is not very pretty at all. Their values seem to be overtly of friendship, fraternity and community not world domination.
yes indeed, short form is .... ?
lube and shame
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.... ?
lube and shame
Not sure I understand the ?
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hint: Short form is 'FUN'
:)
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hint: Short form is 'FUN'
:)
:aok 100%
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As a reponse to the few's recruitment video ,I have requested to Dhyran to introduce our recruiting video to the public , strangely, he have not given an answer it yet, but here we go anyways :cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9GzmbiSTT0
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As a reponse to the few's recruitment video ,I have requested to Dhyran to introduce our recruiting video to the public , strangely, he have not given an answer it yet, but here we go anyways :cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9GzmbiSTT0
you have to pay the first round of cold beer at the Eurocon now :D
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:rofl
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Borgoo, "rifatti la foto che sei peggiorato!" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DeG5oEOM2E
Borgoo, "let remake your photo, you are deteriorate!"
:rofl
:salute
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I think I need a shot of penecillin for just having watched that "recruiting" video. Is this what you guys do at Eurocon?
Boo
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I think I need a shot of penecillin for just having watched that "recruiting" video. Is this what you guys do at Eurocon?
Boo
sooner or later boo :rofl :rofl
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what's with all the ankle humper discussions? 6 pages on this one so far? unreal...
seriously, if one person or one squad out of all the active players in ah affects anyone that much...someone needs to get a real life...
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The discussion was not how anything effected anyone in real life, it was how it effected the game aces high ;)
The conclusion was quite the opposite of the starting hypothesis. We conclude that infact without squads like LD flying their own style the game would become boring. Not the other way around. It was a good discussion for the game.
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The discussion was about the affect of the effect. :devil
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:rofl i hate those words i never know which to use
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The effective tactics of LD affected Yarbles. :neener:
Notice that "affect" requires an effect but "effect" does not require an affect.
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FLS you wordsmith you!
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Which saw is best for sawing saw dust?
Its my thread and I would like to know if we are nearly there yet?
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As a reponse to the few's recruitment video ,I have requested to Dhyran to introduce our recruiting video to the public , strangely, he have not given an answer it yet, but here we go anyways :cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9GzmbiSTT0
we have a recruitment video?
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we have a recruitment video?
I hope someone can find it with the acompanying post it was the funniest thing ever :pray :salute
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As a reponse to the few's recruitment video ,I have requested to Dhyran to introduce our recruiting video to the public , strangely, he have not given an answer it yet, but here we go anyways :cool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9GzmbiSTT0
I see Dhyran is using the same outfit as he did last Eurocon.... :cheers:
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Borgoo, "rifatti la foto che sei peggiorato!" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DeG5oEOM2E
Borgoo, "let remake your photo, you are deteriorate!"
:rofl
:salute
:rofl :rofl
Lulu: the the "mysterious" Italian of AH!!
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This thread makes me laugh! Lol thanks yarbles.....
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<3
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meh
Don't see how any squads behavior can make the game boring for the rest. If you know their MO
move to another sector. Plenty of folk left out there who are willing to engage without an advantage.
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I've noticed all the great players are usually on the deck tackling 3 or 4 players at once.
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I've noticed all the great players are usually on the deck tackling 3 or 4 players at once.
Got any video to back this up? And also yea anyone can tackle 3-4 players when they have more E and extend to safety and return for another attack, "just like the great players do" Every so often I like to knife fight too but you just dont survive as often when you are outnumbered. There are no guys here that can sustain repeated success on the deck with a 3 to 1 or even 4 to 1 disadvantage. If they do, they are certainly fighting very new players who dont quite know how to play yet.
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Got any video to back this up? And also yea anyone can tackle 3-4 players when they have more E and extend to safety and return for another attack, "just like the great players do" Every so often I like to knife fight too but you just dont survive as often when you are outnumbered. There are no guys here that can sustain repeated success on the deck with a 3 to 1 or even 4 to 1 disadvantage. If they do, they are certainly fighting very new players who dont quite know how to play yet.
:rofl :rofl there are a few/bunch of guys that can kill 3, 4, 5, nme cons. by themselves. hell even I have killed 5 of 5 attacking me...all were attacking me at once, it just so happened that day I was on target and hit every one I shot at....there are guys that dont miss very often and can easily tackle multi cons.
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10 people from most any squad is going to start a vulch...you just admitted to The Few hoarding Yarbles.....good job :aok
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The Few are so bad they even horde bbs threads. :rolleyes:
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Not meant to be offensive or troll just saying.
I notice they tend to stay high one makes a pass then they are all back up high again. If you climb up to them and they can't kill you quickly they seem to back away and climb further but tend not to engage as readily as others.
Clearly its their choice and there is no right way of doing things but if they are in a fight rather than thinking either;
Great easy kills, or this will be dangerous but fun, I tend to think oh dear this could be a bit boring.
I am sure they are trying to perfect something and perhaps when they have it, it will be more exciting but currently it can seem like 5 or so guys perching high over a base and staying there. The best defence is often just stay low as it seems and they never get to you which I am sure is not the idea. Climbing up to them is often a bit like a waste of time as if you are on your own they get you and if you have anything like equal numbers they seem to just climb more and back away.
This is just my experience and perhaps some of my squaddies, do others have the same expeirience of this?
Yarbels, with the exception of Trogdor, who I can't give enough positive praise, (he's a great guy), and who never runs from a fight, my recent experiences with them is that they always 'extending' to friendlies in the MA unless they can arrive to a fight with overwhelming advantages. It might have something to do with their k/d requirement. I'll put it this way, 1v1 for a duce is an excuse to run, because unless its a 2v1 or preferably greater 3+v1, you'll be lucky to get a fight from them (with the exception of a few sticks).
Its to their own detriment as it will stunt their personal growth as fighter pilots and will artificially inflate their egos.
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Its to their own detriment as it will stunt their personal growth as CARTOON fighter pilots and will artificially inflate their CARTOON egos.
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real fighter pilots would have none of this, they would be banging the hot female instructors giving questionable tips on the performance of Mig28s, and having sweaty volleyball matches and stuff.....
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kappa was gonna post the AOM recruitment video but someone leaked our initiation ceremony
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxPKNX1oWyw
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Yarbels, with the exception of Trogdor, who I can't give enough positive praise, (he's a great guy), and who never runs from a fight, my recent experiences with them is that they always 'extending' to friendlies in the MA unless they can arrive to a fight with overwhelming advantages. It might have something to do with their k/d requirement. I'll put it this way, 1v1 for a duce is an excuse to run, because unless its a 2v1 or preferably greater 3+v1, you'll be lucky to get a fight from them (with the exception of a few sticks).
Its to their own detriment as it will stunt their personal growth as fighter pilots and will artificially inflate their egos.
please look how we run away from the fight against your own squadron:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjeCnIbWWlU
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUEJbDAphAs
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real fighter pilots would have none of this, they would be banging the hot female instructors giving questionable tips on the performance of Mig28s, and having sweaty volleyball matches and stuff.....
of course, how could I have forgotten, after all real fighter pilots also say crazy things on national television.
(http://www.tomcruiseisnuts.com/images/with_star.jpg)
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please look how we run away from the fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjeCnIbWWlU
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUEJbDAphAs
the above fights were not from the MA, if you ran in SDL, you would have been the laughingstock of the entire SDL community, and you knew it, so you didn't.. also, your k/d requirement holds no weight in the DA as scores aren't counted towards..
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the above fights were not from the MA, if you ran in SDL, you would have been the laughingstock of the entire SDL community, and you knew it, so you didn't.. also, your k/d requirement holds no weight in the DA as scores aren't counted towards..
wow, i am impressed ;)
You cant change results by blaming with a posting
This leads into nothing, if you don't like us, its allright for me. Noone told you you have to
cheers
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You cant change results by blaming with a posting
If easy results is all your after, then I'll take that as an admission of guilt. I fail to see how the outcome of an SDL match has any relevance as it was neither in the MA, nor does its outcome prove anything. The observation was on MA style not SDL style or skill also, I don't speak for my squad, I speak for myself.
This leads into nothing, if you don't like us, its allright for me. Noone told you you have to
I simply made an observation of recent behavior, you can choose to personalize it if you like. One can choose to play however they see fit, but one is foolish to think that others will not judge their game play choices.
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(http://hollywoodnewsflash.us/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Justin-Bieber-Breaks-Up-Girl-Fight.bmp)
:bhead
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(http://hollywoodnewsflash.us/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Justin-Bieber-Breaks-Up-Girl-Fight.bmp)
:bhead
not being a cry baby, just reporting observations. Oh...BiPolar called, he wants his 'action shot' back ;)
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(http://www.website37.com/images/MilliVanilli04.jpg?867)
LD theme song?
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
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(http://www.website37.com/images/MilliVanilli04.jpg?867)
LD theme song?
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry
lol If memory serves right, I think they got caught for being fakers before Beiber was even born...lol
dhyran should review his videos, because I don't think I've been part of the SDL matches for a long time (I've only done 2 and that was our first 2 matches), so no I harbor no grudge due to the outcome, I don't think I was even there.
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I harbor no grudge due to the outcome, I don't think I was even there.
ardy skipped the SDL for family foto day
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bkFIPLIOGL8/RuX91h0G3II/AAAAAAAADBo/1zdQfpIYSS4/s400/olanmills75.jpg)
he's bottom left
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I had a quick look at LD stats just now:
They don't suggest the squad in general is flying timid. Some no doubt are more carefull than average as they fly to rtb so its what you would expect.
Its to their own detriment as it will stunt their personal growth as fighter pilots and will artificially inflate their egos.
I don't know about LD but that is certainly a trap I have fallen into.
10 people from most any squad is going to start a vulch...you just admitted to The Few hoarding Yarbles.....good job :aok
If some of our top sticks are flying in the group the group doesn't have to be very big to seem like a horde in terms of overwhelming opposition. If there are 10 or 12 of the squad on anmd they all fly at the same time together thats how its going to apprear.
If there is a meaningfull definiton to the horde its when a larger group overwhelm a smaller group purely by weight of mumbers. I flew with "The Few" before i joined and as I am not one of the rampant semi adolescent ego maniacs who we sometimes see stalking these forums I can be reasonably objective. Sure the squad has its ego's but my impression was of a smaller force obliterating a much larger one in short order through superior skill. That is why I wanted to join and have the benefit of flying with and learning from some of the best in the game. My own progress has been slow but I am reasonably happy with it.
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ardy skipped the SDL for family foto day
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bkFIPLIOGL8/RuX91h0G3II/AAAAAAAADBo/1zdQfpIYSS4/s400/olanmills75.jpg)
he's bottom left
That's actually about how I picture him. hahaha
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ardy skipped the SDL for family foto day
he's bottom left
That's actually about how I picture him. hahaha
:rofl :rofl and thats a good picture... you should see the others...
here is a picture of FatChick/BillyD showing off his new ride to me
(http://2pep.com/funny%20pics/crazy%20fun%20humor%20pictures/super_funny_pictures_of_30_rednecks_acting_like_rednecks_12_20090701_1344956776.jpg)
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I don't know about LD but that is certainly a trap I have fallen into.
yeah yarbles, you finaly proofed that, just for the record, you were higher yesterday ;)
and for the rest, different playstyles is what the overall fun is about. You don't wanna start a party and listen to one song 50 times over and over again don't you??
Ardy, maybe you like Lady Gaga, enimen or whatever, i like Led Zelepllin, Deep Purple, just Classic Rock and lot of Punkrock is my music, yours might be different, but why we should discuss it?
Just accept the difference, we play our way, also with different playstyles belonging to the arenas, we went the last Days into the AvA after the Late war arena split into two at 5:00pm EST, 11;00pm CET. So join us there ardy :airplane:
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yeah yarbles, you finaly proofed that, just for the record, you were higher yesterday ;)
and for the rest, different playstyles is what the overall fun is about. You don't wanna start a party and listen to one song 50 times over and over again don't you??
Ardy, maybe you like Lady Gaga, enimen or whatever, i like Led Zelepllin, Deep Purple, just Classic Rock and lot of Punkrock is my music, yours might be different, but why we should discuss it?
Just accept the difference, we play our way, also with different playstyles belonging to the arenas, we went the last Days into the AvA after the Late war arena split into two at 5:00pm EST, 11;00pm CET. So join us there ardy :airplane:
:rofl :rofl I don't harbor any negative feelings, I'm just stating what I observed. As I stated before, one can play the game any way they choose, but don't be surprised when people point it out. I would love too, but If I get a chance to get on its not till 10pm (PST), 3am(EST)/7.00am(CET).
Scotch...
I found a picture of your fishing boat, for some reason was along the Willamette river between Salem and Albany... :neener:
(http://www.lilligren.com/Redneck/images/redneck_bass_boat.jpg)
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..... As I stated before, one can play the game any way they choose, but don't be surprised when people point it out. I would love too, but If I get a chance to get on its not till 10pm (PST), 3am(EST)/7.00am(CET).
well, how can you point at when you don't have the chance to get on that time? looks more like a free rider posting.....
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well, how can you point at when you don't have the chance to get on that time? looks more like a free rider posting.....
I've ran into you guys on occasion on the weekends in the morning.
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I've ran into you guys on occasion on the weekends in the morning.
so it looks like you draw a conclusion on our squadron by just fighting us for maybe 2-3 hours per month?
We LD flown last month 610:08:20 in the MA and several dozen hours scenarios and AvA
So seems to me more like you believe in fortune-telling......
well, draw you own conclusion but better do it bullet proofed otherwise you only fool yourself
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so it looks like you draw a conclusion on our squadron by just fighting us for maybe 2-3 hours per month?
We LD flown last month 610:08:20 in the MA and several dozen hours scenarios and AvA
So seems to me more like you believe in fortune-telling......
well, draw you own conclusion but better do it bullet proofed otherwise you only fool yourself
Well, I hope your correct and my encounters with your squad were exceptions, although I suspect otherwise. I don't need to look at a duck for 2-3 hours monthly to identify a duck, and I know you don't either.
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Well, I hope your correct and my encounters with your squad were exceptions, although I suspect otherwise. I don't need to look at a duck for 2-3 hours monthly to identify a duck, and I know you don't either.
no, i decide about something when i got all facts together, but i don't judge about people/squadrons flyingstyle, if they are noobs aces or whatever. I learned to accept the difference. Play your own game with friends and having a good time. If you gonna be upset about this and that you just steal your own freetime and didn't get what you looking for, just a good time!
just remember there are allways 2 sides of a coin to look at, sure it can be hard to fight several deucers. But why people wanna have allways the easy way. When we changed trough the countrysides of our squadrons beginning we often had some great fights against some other rook based squadrons... high altitude til down and up again! Sometimes over 20 min, but can i blame someone who comes in to help their squadmates? never!
cheers
dhyran
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I learned to accept the difference. Play your own game with friends and having a good time. If you gonna be upset about this and that you just steal your own freetime and didn't get what you looking for, just a good time!
just remember there are allways 2 sides of a coin to look at
Lol, as I said before, I'm not 'rejecting' you style, I'm stating my experience fighting your squad. Nor was I ever unhappy by an experience, rather, I laughed, and viewed it as a compliment, that whomever the group I was flying with was able to impress you guys enough that all of you were afraid to risk their K/D.
Yarbles, complained, there was a bunch of ankle humping in between and my experiences confirmed Yarbles initial statement. Now, it appears if Yarbles has changed his mind but I stand by my initial statement until I have experiences that contradict my previous experiences.
Oh yeah I highly doubt you never make judgment without full knowledge, if that were the case, you would be the poster child of indecisiveness. Choosing food from a menu at new restaurants must be hell for you. :cheers:
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Choosing food from a menu at new restaurants must be hell for you. :cheers:
i can tell it is :cool: :lol
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Scotch...
I found a picture of your fishing boat, for some reason was along the Willamette river between Salem and Albany... :neener:
(http://www.lilligren.com/Redneck/images/redneck_bass_boat.jpg)
Yeah man, I decided to put the heavy battery under the seat and now that thing is stable like a rock! Albany to Salem is real good fishin. All that sewage spillover and mexican food makes for some fatties!!
That picture of billy is pretty good too! He tried to sell me that car last month, but wanted too much!
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Yeah man, I decided to put the heavy battery under the seat and now that thing is stable like a rock! Albany to Salem is real good fishin. All that sewage spillover and mexican food makes for some fatties!!
That picture of billy is pretty good too! He tried to sell me that car last month, but wanted too much!
Ahh, man its nothing like catching a 3 eyes fish from a river that has caught fire before. Yeah, billy tried to sell me that car too, it looked too good on his front lawn, and my donkey didn't want to move it anyway... I'm still roll'n in my old ride...
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_--04B_LdBrw/SYFUdS1IRMI/AAAAAAAAAlU/oi-yL0s3EjY/s400/donkey+pulling+car.jpg)
It beats any prius any day on fuel economy!
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Yarbles, complained, there was a bunch of ankle humping in between and my experiences confirmed Yarbles initial statement. Now, it appears if Yarbles has changed his mind but I stand by my initial statement until I have experiences that contradict my previous experiences.
I havent changed my mind about my own experiences and there is a certain logic to this as well in that if your goals are:
1) Fly in a group.
2) Secure the advantage
3)All as far as possible rtb.
If you start losing the advantage you will inevitably retreat. It makes such a squad simultaneously illusive and dangerous. Some of the most exciting moments for me have been fighting to retreat along the deck and the chance for the other side to get their own back making it more exciting for them.
I have to be contrite in my responses because I am in a squad and acknowledge LD are very skillfull at what they do and have skillfull pilots in their midst as well as the more average like myself.
If you speculate another squads flying style might detract from the game inevitably your seen as "having a go" and my squaddies have a good realtionship with LD are definatley one of the more mature and reasonable squads in the game. I am not sure that when my squad piles in in large numbers and destroys a furball its not having a very similar effect in terms of people just turning away.
In an ideal world we are able to discuss things with and open mind and not just pound our own point of view out relentlessly.
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How many veterans of AH don't fly in a squad? I ask the question, because I conducted an experiment not very long ago. I left my squad so that I was free to change countries, join missions, roam wherever, whenever. I also, left to confirm what I already knew, the company that we keep while playing AH is as much of the experience as the flying, gving and gunning. Assembling a tight group of individuals moving in the same direction with the same goals is something that is unique, and even harder to keep together.
Just added this because, as the subject line suggests, LD don't fly for us. Godspeed to all squadrons, and a very fond remembrance of all of the members of my first squad, Gruppe Outlaws. :salute
Duxford Wing RAF :cheers: Thanks for all the good times, working out some computer issues and hope to be flying again by the end of the month.
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Waystin, pass the excedrin and a brewski... :bhead :cheers: :bhead..never knew ardy was a loose cannon AH BBS badboy. And here I thought in real life he was an executive in a multinational corporation.......
The premis of this thread has about as much validity as the family argument at Thanksgiving over light and dark meat. There is a moral about the end result in here some place. Personaly I like the stuffing and a good red wine. Some people like the mashed potatoes smothered in gravey and slices of breast with a dry white wine. Now pecan pie to me is much better than pumpkin pie.....
By the end of the dinner it's all leftovers and garbage. Next year same time, same place, same argument. Heck depending on the family they even argue over how many times to flush to be courtious. Once for the solids. Twice for the floaters and your mommas nose. Bet there are families that argue over the brand, ply and how may times to wipe.
Looks like we got some 3 plyers, two flushers and dry white breast men in this old argument.......some thanksgivings I change things up with a goose, boar, duck, suckling pig even sushi and a half gallon of sake. The best was a whole roasted lamb, root vegetables in the coals and a 25 year old single malt.
So I guess this one gets updated to the BBS complaint database under:
I'm pissed because you won't play the game the way I want you to because I am an expert on how the game should be played. Subcatigory: Only accomplished 1 vs. 1 deulists really know how to play this game.
So, red or white wine with this whine?
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I'm pissed because you won't play the game the way I want you to because I am an expert on how the game should be played. Subcatigory: Only accomplished 1 vs. 1 deulists really know how to play this game.
So, red or white wine with this whine?
I think you have just seen what you want to and what corresponds to your personal beef. To be clear for the umpteenth time I just related my limited experience which I acknowledged was limited and asked what others had experienced. In the process we have looked at a particular style of team flying.
Is it that people have seen so much flaming now they can't see anything else?
BTW most of what you say rings true but I think the style of the original post was more an enquiry than a whine.
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I havent changed my mind about my own experiences and there is a certain logic to this as well in that if your goals are:
1) Fly in a group.
2) Secure the advantage
3)All as far as possible rtb.
If you start losing the advantage you will inevitably retreat. It makes such a squad simultaneously illusive and dangerous. Some of the most exciting moments for me have been fighting to retreat along the deck and the chance for the other side to get their own back making it more exciting for them.
I have to be contrite in my responses because I am in a squad and acknowledge LD are very skillfull at what they do and have skillfull pilots in their midst as well as the more average like myself.
If you speculate another squads flying style might detract from the game inevitably your seen as "having a go" and my squaddies have a good realtionship with LD are definatley one of the more mature and reasonable squads in the game. I am not sure that when my squad piles in in large numbers and destroys a furball its not having a very similar effect in terms of people just turning away.
In an ideal world we are able to discuss things with and open mind and not just pound our own point of view out relentlessly.
Its allright yarbles,
now come to the Eurocon and lets have a good beer together! Just ask Klingan, its a blast! :rock
http://322ndsqn1strofthenetherlands.yuku.com/topic/2449/EUROCON-2011-MAIN-INFO
4 Days of Rockn'roll, but hurry up, only 7-8 seats left open!
A great Event organised by the great orange dweebs from the 1st. Rof
this was last years agenda, guess we will something similar again this year:
Time flies? Nahhh it just goes fast! :-D
One week out, we're almost there gents, sooo high command released this document to the public..
~~ a big ~S~ from the crew ~~
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--=== PROGRAM EUROCON 2010 ===--
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"Thunder" Thursday, April 15
Early morning - Preparing the network and con room by the crew.
14:00 - Convention (room) is officially open / arrival guests at the hotel.
18:00 - Dinner in the hotel is served.
19:30 - Opening evening, greetings, drinking, chatting, gaming, battle zone deployment!
20:30 - "Operation Orange Welcome" (Aces High mission) [details at the con]
"Awesome" Friday, April 16
08:15 - till 09:30 - Breakfast time! For a good engine start we probably need this ;)
09:00 - "Free Hunt"
12:30 - Lunch
13:00 - sharp! Leave to the Euro-Paintball battlefield !
13:30 - "The Euro-Paintball event"
We will be deployed into the dark woods of Maasbree close by, for some capture the flag action! We have better ammo than we had with the lasers ;) Yep run for it, we have live paintball ammo now!! muhahaha! Don't worry guys it won't be a dropping this time... ;) Make sure you bring some sturdy shoes/boots, rest of the outfits are arranged. When the masters and aces of sniping are done we will finish the afternoon with a nice BBQ on location..
17:30 ~~~The orange dweeb Country BBQ Grill ~~~
That's right! We couldn't take the risk that people like Tomkin(tm) would return to HQ with an empty stomach.. He needs his well deserved MEAT(tm)... And of course it's needed in preparation for consuming the FPO, hmmm...
20:00 - 'Aces High Special Event' [SDL match 15 vs 15]
21:30 - "FPO Baptism Ceremony"; Don't know what this is.. A special request from 'Kossu' to put this strange item on the program...
"Free" Saturday, April 17
08:15 - till 09:30 - Breakfast. Always a surprise how many people make it to the tables :D
09:30 - Free Saturday people! We swapped the Friday with Saturday. Now you dweebs could take it easy and do whatever you want.
Consider this as a compliment after the most likely FPO war that took place on Friday night...
13.00 - Lunch at hotel
14:00 - "Flower's siesta"
When our Spanish rose takes a nap, we will take this opportunity to start a war or whatever you like :D.
Some co-op stuff, missions, you name it...
Want to try some games? Want to try WarBirds/AcesHigh/BattleGround Europe with a free account? Check the whiteboard for more info..
If anyone feels to abandon his PC there are loads of options to consider. Want to go skiing? No problem. The Jever Skihalle in Neuss (DE) is a 40 minute drive from our place.
Check here!
Liberty Park - Overloon (war museum)
You want to go to the museum in Overloon (same place we visited in 2004 if you were there)
That is a 20 minute drive from our stay.
Check here!
18:00 - Dinner in the hotel is served.
19:00 - Write up for the 2vs2 duel. And guess what, we changed the rules ;)
No more "trainer" teams, at least that's what we will try. We will be drawing lots. And an official will make sure that everything goes by the book...
20:00 - --== WarBirds 2vs2 ==--
Who will bring the title of 2010 to his home? We could be looking at some big surprises since the teams could be very different than they used to be...
Accounts are sponsored by iEN again, so everyone can play. The show will be hosted by Unguis!
After the match we will have the winners/price ceremony and again we will announce the new "EuroPilot Of The Year" !
"Final" Sunday, April 18
08:15 - till 09:30 - Breakfast.
10:00 - Gaming (free 4 all)
Start your final flights and/or lock and load. The final games are running...
13:00 - Lunch; We'll get you a final lunch before you leave. Of course we want to make sure that everyone returns in good shape <g>
14:00 - Anything else beyond this time? We're afraid not. The only words we have left are:
"The End of Eurocon 2010 ..." Have a safe trip back everyone! ~S~
cheers
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Its allright yarbles,
now come to the Eurocon and lets have a good beer together! Just ask Klingan, its a blast! :rock
http://322ndsqn1strofthenetherlands.yuku.com/topic/2449/EUROCON-2011-MAIN-INFO
4 Days of Rockn'roll
this was last years agenda, guess we will something similar again this year:
Time flies? Nahhh it just goes fast! :-D
One week out, we're almost there gents, sooo high command released this document to the public..
~~ a big ~S~ from the crew ~~
-----------------------------------------------------
--=== PROGRAM EUROCON 2010 ===--
-----------------------------------------------------
"Thunder" Thursday, April 15
Early morning - Preparing the network and con room by the crew.
14:00 - Convention (room) is officially open / arrival guests at the hotel.
18:00 - Dinner in the hotel is served.
19:30 - Opening evening, greetings, drinking, chatting, gaming, battle zone deployment!
20:30 - "Operation Orange Welcome" (Aces High mission) [details at the con]
"Awesome" Friday, April 16
08:15 - till 09:30 - Breakfast time! For a good engine start we probably need this ;)
09:00 - "Free Hunt"
12:30 - Lunch
13:00 - sharp! Leave to the Euro-Paintball battlefield !
13:30 - "The Euro-Paintball event"
We will be deployed into the dark woods of Maasbree close by, for some capture the flag action! We have better ammo than we had with the lasers ;) Yep run for it, we have live paintball ammo now!! muhahaha! Don't worry guys it won't be a dropping this time... ;) Make sure you bring some sturdy shoes/boots, rest of the outfits are arranged. When the masters and aces of sniping are done we will finish the afternoon with a nice BBQ on location..
17:30 ~~~The orange dweeb Country BBQ Grill ~~~
That's right! We couldn't take the risk that people like Tomkin(tm) would return to HQ with an empty stomach.. He needs his well deserved MEAT(tm)... And of course it's needed in preparation for consuming the FPO, hmmm...
20:00 - 'Aces High Special Event' [details at the con]
21:30 - "FPO Baptism Ceremony"; Don't know what this is.. A special request from 'Kossu' to put this strange item on the program...
"Free" Saturday, April 17
08:15 - till 09:30 - Breakfast. Always a surprise how many people make it to the tables :D
09:30 - Free Saturday people! We swapped the Friday with Saturday. Now you dweebs could take it easy and do whatever you want.
Consider this as a compliment after the most likely FPO war that took place on Friday night...
13.00 - Lunch at hotel
14:00 - "Flower's siesta"
When our Spanish rose takes a nap, we will take this opportunity to start a war or whatever you like :D.
Some co-op stuff, missions, you name it...
Want to try some games? Want to try WarBirds/AcesHigh/BattleGround Europe with a free account? Check the whiteboard for more info..
If anyone feels to abandon his PC there are loads of options to consider. Want to go skiing? No problem. The Jever Skihalle in Neuss (DE) is a 40 minute drive from our place.
Check here!
Liberty Park - Overloon (war museum)
You want to go to the museum in Overloon (same place we visited in 2004 if you were there)
That is a 20 minute drive from our stay.
Check here!
18:00 - Dinner in the hotel is served.
19:00 - Write up for the 2vs2 duel. And guess what, we changed the rules ;)
No more "trainer" teams, at least that's what we will try. We will be drawing lots. And an official will make sure that everything goes by the book...
20:00 - --== WarBirds 2vs2 ==--
Who will bring the title of 2010 to his home? We could be looking at some big surprises since the teams could be very different than they used to be...
Accounts are sponsored by iEN again, so everyone can play. The show will be hosted by Unguis!
After the match we will have the winners/price ceremony and again we will announce the new "EuroPilot Of The Year" !
"Final" Sunday, April 18
08:15 - till 09:30 - Breakfast.
10:00 - Gaming (free 4 all)
Start your final flights and/or lock and load. The final games are running...
13:00 - Lunch; We'll get you a final lunch before you leave. Of course we want to make sure that everyone returns in good shape <g>
14:00 - Anything else beyond this time? We're afraid not. The only words we have left are:
"The End of Eurocon 2010 ..." Have a safe trip back everyone! ~S~
cheers
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all that for only 200€ all meat incl. only some euros for some beer, and thats it
Lots of finns inbound this year too!
I will spend the first round of Beer!
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all that for only 200€ all meat incl. only some euros for some beer, and thats it
Lots of finns inbound this year too!
I will spend the first round of Beer!
I will need a beer when you pick us up around 10am :D
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Waystin, pass the excedrin and a brewski... :bhead :cheers: :bhead..never knew ardy was a loose cannon AH BBS badboy. And here I thought in real life he was an executive in a multinational corporation.......
The premis of this thread has about as much validity as the family argument at Thanksgiving over light and dark meat. There is a moral about the end result in here some place. Personaly I like the stuffing and a good red wine. Some people like the mashed potatoes smothered in gravey and slices of breast with a dry white wine. Now pecan pie to me is much better than pumpkin pie.....
By the end of the dinner it's all leftovers and garbage. Next year same time, same place, same argument. Heck depending on the family they even argue over how many times to flush to be courtious. Once for the solids. Twice for the floaters and your mommas nose. Bet there are families that argue over the brand, ply and how may times to wipe.
Looks like we got some 3 plyers, two flushers and dry white breast men in this old argument.......some thanksgivings I change things up with a goose, boar, duck, suckling pig even sushi and a half gallon of sake. The best was a whole roasted lamb, root vegetables in the coals and a 25 year old single malt.
So I guess this one gets updated to the BBS complaint database under:
I'm pissed because you won't play the game the way I want you to because I am an expert on how the game should be played. Subcatigory: Only accomplished 1 vs. 1 deulists really know how to play this game.
So, red or white wine with this whine?
lol bustr.
I just stated my experience fighting them... thats it.
If you want to talk about game dynamics and how behaviors impact it, ok.
It changes the game dynamic so that its all about numbers and not skill but to single out LD for that would be ludicrous because there are many many squads that rely on numbers to achieve their goals.
Now, the claim is that LD takes the numbers game to a new level by being skillful in working together making the sum greater than the parts. Ok, congratulations...
The only outcome of this is, once recognized, for the most part, people who are in smaller groups are just going to avoid your group. Quickly we find ourself back at, 'everyone is being timid, none wants to fight'. When in reality, no one wants to fight you, because they don't find it fun. Bottom line, if there is no chance of fulfillment for the either party, they will have no interest in engaging you, leaving both you and the other party bored. Fulfillment doesn't mean 'a kill', it may be as simple as a halfway decent fight.
Personally, to be truly 'fair', all squads would have to be the same size and on at the same time, or none is allowed to fly together as a squad. The bottom line is that individual skill can only take a person so far, hell, I'm not even a top stick and I've successfully taken on a horde, but if the horde is good and organized, I don't have a chance.
Of course the 'Thats how war is' argument always comes up, but unlike real war, if you die, you return to the tower, so death doesn't quite have the impact on sliming the horde, as the dead player quickly re-ups, flys for 2 min and is back in the fight. As long as one side has numbers, they will usually win. Also, because numbers play such a destabilizing impact on the outcome, often, unlike other games where the more time one puts in, the more success one achieves, the lack of this relationship causes the bulk of the friction.
Imagine a soccer game where one side has more players... unless its a purposeful handy cap, it quickly becomes not fun... hence why soccer games have rules about the number of players each team can have on the field at one time.
Ok enough of my rant on how organized chaos plays out.
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I havent changed my mind about my own experiences and there is a certain logic to this as well in that if your goals are:
1) Fly in a group.
2) Secure the advantage
3)All as far as possible rtb.
If you start losing the advantage you will inevitably retreat. It makes such a squad simultaneously illusive and dangerous. Some of the most exciting moments for me have been fighting to retreat along the deck and the chance for the other side to get their own back making it more exciting for them.
I have to be contrite in my responses because I am in a squad and acknowledge LD are very skillfull at what they do and have skillfull pilots in their midst as well as the more average like myself.
If you speculate another squads flying style might detract from the game inevitably your seen as "having a go" and my squaddies have a good realtionship with LD are definatley one of the more mature and reasonable squads in the game. I am not sure that when my squad piles in in large numbers and destroys a furball its not having a very similar effect in terms of people just turning away.
In an ideal world we are able to discuss things with and open mind and not just pound our own point of view out relentlessly.
flying to live can be a challenge in its own right. and can be extremely exciting for some flyers. the feeling of being low on fuel and 25 rounds in each .50 left, your wingman has a con chasing him on the rtb and you must swing around to clear his six knowing full well youll run out of ammo and possibly have too little fuel for the rtb (which most likely wont happen if you dont kill or break the contact good enough to save you both). The rtb to a successful mission is a harrowing fight sometimes. And everyone knows i LOVEEEEEE a challenge to my abilities :aok
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I will need a beer when you pick us up around 10am :D
any more detailed whishes about board service and cabin temparature of my Van?
Is Barre Mai bock at 8c° allright?
:joystick:
Btw. Do you need a Monitor Klingan? Maybe i can bring in a 22" as backup
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I will need a beer when you pick us up around 10am :D
I admire your self control waiting until 10am.
Dhryan thanks for the encouragement I won't be able to make it this year but aim to be there next time :cheers:
We are Rook for the rest of Feb as well as March and April and it will be nice to be on the same side :salute
I have to say I am very keen to see how you do in SDL this year :x If you don't win it and obviously I hope "The Few" get it I don't doubt you will at least be in the top 3 :salute.
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any more detailed whishes about board service and cabin temparature of my Van?
Is Barre Mai bock at 8c° allright?
:joystick:
Btw. Do you need a Monitor Klingan? Maybe i can bring in a 22" as backup
21-22c° in the van and a Barre Mai bock at 8c° sound perfect :x
:D
And yes if you can fix a monitor I would be gratefull :pray
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I admire your self control waiting until 10am.
Dhryan thanks for the encouragement I won't be able to make it this year but aim to be there next time :cheers:
Well it will not be easy to wait until 10am but i will give it a try :cheers:
And you better come next year :rock
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did this turn into a group hug already? :cheers:
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did this turn into a group hug already? :cheers:
I always need a hug :angel:
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I wonder how much it would cost an american Guy like me to head out to erocon....... I bet air fare is a killer.
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And you better come next year :rock
Your just relieved I am not coming this year :D.
Anyway I will have to get allot of brownie points with the Mrs before she lets me anywhere near Dhryans van filled full of beer and a swedish man with a moustache who drives a pink car :D.
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did this turn into a group hug already? :cheers:
I think Dhryan and LD know that when cry baby whingers like me start calling them out on the BBS they are clearly making an impact in the game. I think "The Few" in reality have come in for some heavy flack for similar reasons as will any squad that does well in events or the MA or both.
One thing is for sure in all of this. Its either a case of more, less or something inbetween :aok :rofl
We must be there by now ;)
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I wonder how much it would cost an american Guy like me to head out to erocon....... I bet air fare is a killer.
Just ask KC, around 700$ for the Flight
Additional 200€ for the con fee
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I have to say I am very keen to see how you do in SDL this year :x If you don't win it and obviously I hope "The Few" get it I don't doubt you will at least be in the top 3 :salute.
well, we see it like esports, sure we would like to win it again like last year, but the squadrons skills are much more closer to each other than last year! So its allways great fun
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Just ask KC, around 700$ for the Flight
Additional 200€ for the con fee
200 Euros? With todays dollar that is another $1,000 or so. OK sarcasm but soon enough.
I was thinking about Eurocon one day but that whole pink car and mustache has me thinking about to the penecillin video. I might have to settle for the stories instead.
Boo
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200 Euros? With todays dollar that is another $1,000 or so. OK sarcasm but soon enough.
I was thinking about Eurocon one day but that whole pink car and mustache has me thinking about to the penecillin video. I might have to settle for the stories instead.
Boo
Hey man, don't worry, the euro has the 'PIGS' to hold it low (pigs = Portugal, Ireland, Greece, Spain). Oh yeah, a year and a half ago, I think I saw Iceland up for auction over at ebay.com.
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I was thinking about Eurocon one day but that whole pink car and mustache has me thinking about to the penecillin video. I might have to settle for the stories instead.
Boo
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I was warned that threads like this never turn out well by those in the know. They were right its all going to end in excessiVe drinking :cheers:.
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I was warned that threads like this never turn out well by those in the know. They were right its all going to end in excessiVe drinking :cheers:.
I thought that was how it started :bolt:
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If some of our top sticks are flying in the group the group doesn't have to be very big to seem like a horde in terms of overwhelming opposition. If there are 10 or 12 of the squad on anmd they all fly at the same time together thats how its going to apprear.
If there is a meaningfull definiton to the horde its when a larger group overwhelm a smaller group purely by weight of mumbers. I flew with "The Few" before i joined and as I am not one of the rampant semi adolescent ego maniacs who we sometimes see stalking these forums I can be reasonably objective. Sure the squad has its ego's but my impression was of a smaller force obliterating a much larger one in short order through superior skill. That is why I wanted to join and have the benefit of flying with and learning from some of the best in the game. My own progress has been slow but I am reasonably happy with it.
Yur squad uses "wingman tactics"....I call it gang raping most of the time.
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Yeah, just look at how they fly in KOTH.
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LOL I love it when any 'squad' starts to think it matters too much.
We're all a bunch of folks sitting at computer screens pretending. Who cares. Have fun.
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Yeah, just look at how they fly in KOTH.
Not sure where you are headed there. In the last KOTH, my first kill was a squaddie (262 on Sirnuke). In the next iteration, my Nuke killed me (IIRC) in pony (?). Of the 30-40 dudes in flight, we sort of ended up next to each other. I guess we are doing it wrong?
Comments like those, without substance, cheapen any discussion and do nothing but perpetuate this self imposed east coast gang war the squads are having. This all seems a bit dweebish that the intersquad rivalry has devolved to opportunity low blows.
Why can't we all just get along.... :cry
If we ever run into each other scotch, first rounds on me. :cheers:
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Not sure where you are headed there. In the last KOTH, my first kill was a squaddie (262 on Sirnuke). In the next iteration, my Nuke killed me (IIRC) in pony (?). Of the 30-40 dudes in flight, we sort of ended up next to each other. I guess we are doing it wrong?
Comments like those, without substance, cheapen any discussion and do nothing but perpetuate this self imposed east coast gang war the squads are having. This all seems a bit dweebish that the intersquad rivalry has devolved to opportunity low blows.
Why can't we all just get along.... :cry
If we ever run into each other scotch, first rounds on me. :cheers:
I like turtles.
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Not quite what Scotch was referring to. :)
I will elaborate in great detail if The Few wishes me too. :aok
I am not speaking for the few. But, sending you a PM. Just tired of seeing the jabs between the squads.
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Not quite what Scotch was referring to. :)
I will elaborate in great detail if The Few wishes me too. :aok
Same here really I don't speak for the Few. What I will say though is that I spend most time in game with them because they are the squad. That doesn't lead me to summise like some primative tribalist that they must be the best people in the game and superior and more righteous than everyone else.
I think most of us (the vast majority that is) having much in common in wanting to spend so much time in this game would get on in the same squad or having a drink together in a bar. Some of us lose sight of this too our detriment.
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do nothing but perpetuate this self imposed east coast gang war the squads are having.
:lol
WESTSIIIIIIIIIIIIDE!!!!!!!
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:lol
WESTSIIIIIIIIIIIIDE!!!!!!!
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SOUTHSIDE!!!!
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We're all a bunch of folks sitting at computer screens pretending. Who cares. Have fun.
I pretend I have fun :lol
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^^^ this is what the game is about dammit. Good natured jabs.
Now if we can just get rid of all the carpet bagging yankees.....
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Westsiiiiiiiiiide LOL I love it !!!!
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Oh no! They killed Cyrus..... the warriors did it. "Warriors.....come out to plaaaayyyyy" lol. That and Dolomite flicks complete me.