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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1Boner on February 24, 2011, 02:42:47 PM
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Just went down the road for some gas.
$3.47 for regular.
A guy down from him a bit was still at $3.14 and had cars lined up down the street.
Yaaaaaaaay.
Here we go---------------------------------------------- again.
I don't think that oil should be traded on the "market" anymore.
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Generally 3.29 here, but yesterday 1 place had it 3.02. Yep, I waited in line to get some. :cool:
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BOHICA! :ahand
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yesterday 2.99 out front. now it's 3.05....the guy at the pump said it' sgoing up tomorrow.
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3.15 to 3.39 in one day here. Surely it will be higher tomorrow.
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How about not even using a gasoline powered car? Electricity is incredibly cheap, and you can recharge in the comfort of your own home with nothing but an electrical outlet. If travelling longer distances, consider a hybrid with plug-in capabilities, the gasoline motor can recharge the batteries en-route. Electricity is the way of the future, stop living in the (now rather expensive) past.
-Penguin
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There is only one thing to do..by God.. invest in oil companies. :D
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Was $3.30 last week, now its $3.70 in my area in Cali....they said will be $4.00 a gallon within 2 weeks...
-BigBOBCH
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Thank God this time around I have a more fuel efficient car.
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How about not even using a gasoline powered car? Electricity is incredibly cheap, and you can recharge in the comfort of your own home with nothing but an electrical outlet. If travelling longer distances, consider a hybrid with plug-in capabilities, the gasoline motor can recharge the batteries en-route. Electricity is the way of the future, stop living in the (now rather expensive) past.
-Penguin
How much does it cost to produce the electricity to run the car?
What do they use to procuce the energy to produce the electricity?
They got a bunch of Ben Franklin types out in a field with keys on a kite string?
While electric cars may be a noble endeavor, there fuel isn't that cheap.
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How much does it cost to produce the electricity to run the car?
What do they use to procuce the energy to produce the electricity?
They got a bunch of Ben Franklin types out in a field with keys on a kite string?
I'm talking solely about end-user cost, it'll cost you less money to run an electric car than one using gasoline.
-Penguin
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Plus you could possibly rig up some solar cells to aid in the recharge :)
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Plus you could possibly rig up some solar cells to aid in the recharge :)
Quite expensive as of late, but they're a good investment for a house if you plan to keep it for the next 10 years or so. Alternatively, you can live in the city and use public transportation.
-Penguin
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I'm talking solely about end-user cost, it'll cost you less money to run an electric car than one using gasoline.
-Penguin
Try plugging a 1500watt hair dyer in and running it for one hour a day, every day.
Watch what happens to your electric bill.
Can you imagine plugging in and recharging those car batteries every couple days??
I don't disagree that something needs to be done, but I don't think the technology exists to make "cheap" electric powered cars viable.
Yet.
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How about not even using a gasoline powered car? Electricity is incredibly cheap, and you can recharge in the comfort of your own home with nothing but an electrical outlet. If travelling longer distances, consider a hybrid with plug-in capabilities, the gasoline motor can recharge the batteries en-route. Electricity is the way of the future, stop living in the (now rather expensive) past.
-Penguin
but we want more than 80 BHP
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80hp my butt, try this on for size: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2JkMCzjTVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2JkMCzjTVE)
-Penguin
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Can you find the problem?
(http://microgrid-energy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/clean-energy-031.jpg)
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Just got off the phone from ordering some fuel oil.
$3.54 a gallon. Cash price.
I sell wood and pellet stoves for a living.
I should probably stock up.
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80hp my butt, try this on for size: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2JkMCzjTVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2JkMCzjTVE)
-Penguin
:rofl ok ok look it will do like 2 passes then die. and find me a production model :D
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:rofl ok ok look it will do like 2 passes then die. and find me a production model :D
There was a pretty darn cool looking coupe from Silicon Valley, but I can't remember the name.
-Penguin
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How about not even using a gasoline powered car? Electricity is incredibly cheap, and you can recharge in the comfort of your own home with nothing but an electrical outlet. If travelling longer distances, consider a hybrid with plug-in capabilities, the gasoline motor can recharge the batteries en-route. Electricity is the way of the future, stop living in the (now rather expensive) past.
-Penguin
read up on electric cars, then get back to us.
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If everyone drove an eletric car, our eletric bills would be increasing at a very rapid rate, instead of gas prices. Moving the problem from one location to another has never solved a problem.
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If everyone drove an eletric car, our eletric bills would be increasing at a very rapid rate, instead of gas prices. Moving the problem from one location to another really does not solve the problem.
I think they call that "supply and demand". not to mention the millions of products sold all over the world that are petrolium based...or use it in the manufacturing process. Enviromentalist types tend to leave that out.
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If everyone drove an eletric car, our eletric bills would be increasing at a very rapid rate, instead of gas prices. Moving the problem from one location to another has never solved a problem.
I'm advising that the guy complaining about his gas prices switch, not everyone! :lol Of course it doesn't work then!
-Penguin
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Cheapest places hit $3.55 today. Was about 10-cents cheaper last weekend. Since the Egypt crisis the oil market is going ape s!@# and I'm on the side of disolvign the oil market since it's BS to see the price departing from the nice steady $3.00 it's been at for a while. Libya produces, at best and on a good day, less than 2% of the global demand for oil. Less than 2%. (300 x 0.2) + 300 =/= 350+! The oil companies are starting to spout out more bull too. A few weeks ago at the start of the Egypt thing, "experts" were saying to the media "don't forget to take into account new gas taxes". What a load of crock! What new gas taxes hit into effect in the middle of february across the nation!? Dirty weasely oportune price gougers. They'd charge your grandma an extra 10-cents if they knew she had it.
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I've watched our towns Fuel prices rise by 53 cents in the last two weeks, which in turn drives the prices of everything that relies on transportation of there products, produce has really risen to outrageous levels, man i wish our wages would :old:
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I'm sure Ford Motor Co and GM likes the current and future trend of gas prices so they can push more new C and B segment cars.
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Here in NZ we are at $2.02 per liter....
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If everyone drove an eletric car, our eletric bills would be increasing at a very rapid rate, instead of gas prices. Moving the problem from one location to another has never solved a problem.
Sure it has. In this example, its a lot more efficient to make electricity at a huge power station, utilizing economies of scale, than it is to utilize millions of very small and inefficient gasoline and diesel engines. It matters not if the power station is using coal, natural gas, some other oil derived fuel, nuclear, solar, hydroelectric, wind, or what have you, it still holds. The increase in cost of electricity, if it happens at all, would be negligible compared to the savings from not buying gasoline. The inherent advantages electricity has in production and distribution guarantee that.
Another factor is that many of our political rivals or straight up enemies are funded by our oil habit, and finding ways to reduce their leverage on us is a good idea.
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Here in NZ we are at $2.02 per liter....
I thought we had it rough at $1.35
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2.99/gal here in billings MT
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Easy solution: Gassifier. :aok
Bring on the smog!
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$3.47 here and that was at a wholesale club which usually beats all the gas prices around!
I can't wait for it to get warmer and I can take the motorcycle to work.
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Just checked with the folks back home in Scotland. They're at $8 per US gallon or $2.10 a liter. Its probably 10 years since they saw prices as low as $3.50 a gallon.
Think I'll stay in California and smile at our problems.
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Sure it has. In this example, its a lot more efficient to make electricity at a huge power station, utilizing economies of scale, than it is to utilize millions of very small and inefficient gasoline and diesel engines. It matters not if the power station is using coal, natural gas, some other oil derived fuel, nuclear, solar, hydroelectric, wind, or what have you, it still holds. The increase in cost of electricity, if it happens at all, would be negligible compared to the savings from not buying gasoline. The inherent advantages electricity has in production and distribution guarantee that.
Another factor is that many of our political rivals or straight up enemies are funded by our oil habit, and finding ways to reduce their leverage on us is a good idea.
read up on electric cars and get back to us.
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The electrical grid in the US is in shambles. A few hundred thousand people plug in their air conditioners on a hot day and we end up with a brown or blackout.
What do you think would happen if a few million or more people plugged in their electric vehicles at the same time????????????
Like Cap said :aok
read up on electric cars and get back to us.
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I thought we had it rough at $1.35
Man ! that's cheaper than our diesel ...they are saying that we are looking at a 10-12c raise in the next week or two
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<---- owns 2 4dr 2500 series Silverados '05 gas and a '10 diesel (his/hers)
Gas station---> :ahand<------me. Looks like ill be using the company car a bit more. 2007 Minivan....lol Ill look like a soccer mom with a goatee :D
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How about not even using a gasoline powered car? Electricity is incredibly cheap, and you can recharge in the comfort of your own home with nothing but an electrical outlet. If travelling longer distances, consider a hybrid with plug-in capabilities, the gasoline motor can recharge the batteries en-route. Electricity is the way of the future, stop living in the (now rather expensive) past.
-Penguin
Okay what car is available that does this (besides the $150,000 tesla roadster or one you make in your garage) at this time?
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I would like to see more diesel vehicles for sale in the USA also hydrogen as a fuel more researched. I was also researching a used cavalier with CNG (natural gas), unfortunatley there is no place to fill it up where I live.
Diesel Fiesta by Ford
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_37/b4099060491065.htm (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_37/b4099060491065.htm)
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Take a dump in the gas tank and there you go a full tank of gas :devil
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yeah it's killing me.....
We have enough oil in our own country to last us over TWO THOUSAND years and put gas back UNDER a dollar a gallon.........but that would make too much sense....
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$3.41 at the pump here. Getting worse, too.
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This shouldn't be discussed! Its causing greif, prices are bad enough! By the time i can drive my own car gas is going to be like 5 dollars a gallon!
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This shouldn't be discussed! Its causing greif, prices are bad enough! By the time i can drive my own car gas is going to be like 5 dollars a gallon!
I can hear your heart shattering into pieces from my side of the monitor. May I play the world's smallest violin?
Gas prices have always been at "record highs." People adapt and overcome. Sure it sucks to pay so much, but we'll find a way.
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This shouldn't be discussed! Its causing greif, prices are bad enough! By the time i can drive my own car gas is going to be like 5 dollars a gallon!
Just think, gas prices have nowhere to go but UP
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I would like to see more diesel vehicles for sale in the USA also hydrogen as a fuel more researched. I was also researching a used cavalier with CNG (natural gas), unfortunatley there is no place to fill it up where I live.
Diesel Fiesta by Ford
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_37/b4099060491065.htm (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_37/b4099060491065.htm)
diesel in my area is more expensive than gas.
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yeah it's killing me.....
We have enough oil in our own country to last us over TWO THOUSAND years and put gas back UNDER a dollar a gallon.........but that would make too much sense....
we'd have to kick a few tree huggers outta the way to get at that oil though....
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so lets see.
there was the arab oil embargo in 73, 74 i think.
then in 78 they said there was an oil shortage. i started driving in 79. i remember sitting in lines a couple blocks long to get to the gas pumps. apparently there wasn't much of a shortage, seeing as we still have plenty. or could it be that oil is not a limited resource?
the technology out there, the oil companies, and producers know their time of massive incomes is limited. it's only a matter of time before a viable alternative source is found, and they;ll be out on their asses. they're gettin while the gettin's good.
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I'm lucky, I have a boat that will go 200 miles on a tank load. The only draw back, it has a 200 gallon tank.
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Hydrogen power all the way! Good Lord I'm glad I don't live in Cali. anymore.
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diesel in my area is more expensive than gas.
It is here, too. Which is ridiculous considering, correct me if I'm wrong, that diesel is a byproduct of gasoline? (you have to make gas before you can make diesel?)
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It is here, too. Which is ridiculous considering, correct me if I'm wrong, that diesel is a byproduct of gasoline? (you have to make gas before you can make diesel?)
Yes! Which means Diesel should ALWAYS be cheaper than gas. It's how you know you're getting ripped off. It's more :x to them that way. :bhead :furious
we'd have to kick a few tree huggers outta the way to get at that oil though....
Yeah....they even protest the desert drills....because there is so much life out there.....They are a virus. I believe in nature preservation but there is a line...
This shouldn't be discussed! Its causing greif, prices are bad enough! By the time i can drive my own car gas is going to be like 5 dollars a gallon!
Gas has already hit $5 a gallon in the last year and a half. I remember driving my 1996 Dodge Ram SLT 4x4....I had to drive over 300 miles routinely...
I still have my truck but it doesn't go very far from the house anymore...
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It is here, too. Which is ridiculous considering, correct me if I'm wrong, that diesel is a byproduct of gasoline? (you have to make gas before you can make diesel?)
I was wondering the same thing myself since i own a gas and diesel truck, found this
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/why_does_diesel_fuel_cost_more_than.html
Not sure how accurate the info is, but it makes sence i suppose.
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Morning drive
$3.08
a mile later and a station sitting next to I-30
$3.29
RIP OFF :furious
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It is here, too. Which is ridiculous considering, correct me if I'm wrong, that diesel is a byproduct of gasoline? (you have to make gas before you can make diesel?)
it is. if you do a little research on diesel engines, you'll find that they weren't even designed to run on diesel fuel. they were originally designed to run on(i think...i'd have to go looking again) peanut oil. they were designed for farmers to be able to run on their own fuel.
it was one of the larger oil companies(i forget which one) that realized there was a market for their "waste" product which was created from refining gasoline.
if you've seen these sites showing ya how to run on bio-diesel? it's made from cooking oil.
BTW....there's not much difference between diesel, kerosene, home heating oil, and i think even jet a fuel.
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I still don't understand how fuel that has already been produced at a lower price or fuel that is in the truck or the tank in the ground at a lower price can be worth more 24 hours later when its "speculated" on the commodities market. AND I don't have the patience to understand it this morning.
BTW gas was at $2.45 a gallon here in Birmingham 3 weeks ago; it was at $3.03 a gallon this past Monday and now its at $3.25 a gallon today. It ain't the "federal fuel tax" that is causing this to happen people!
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I still don't understand how fuel that has already been produced at a lower price or fuel that is in the truck or the tank in the ground at a lower price can be worth more 24 hours later when its "speculated" on the commodities market.
BTW gas was at $2.45 a gallon here in Birmingham 3 weeks ago; it was at $3.03 a gallon this past Monday and now its at $3.25 a gallon today. It ain't the "federal fuel tax" that is causing this to happen people!
they price according to the cost of their next load.
if yesterdays load cost then $10k, and they know next weeks load is gonna cost them $12k, they price accordingly.
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See Rule #14
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See Rule #14
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See Rule #14
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Okay what car is available that does this (besides the $150,000 tesla roadster or one you make in your garage) at this time?
The Nissan leaf, for example.
-Penguin
PS Thanks for telling me the name of that car- it looks awesome!
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we'd have to kick a few tree huggers outta the way to get at that oil though....
The problem is that the oil is trapped in tiny little pockets which are quite far apart. Yes, there is that much oil, but we'd need so many new wells that it would become unprofitable. On the anti-treehugger note, do you really want to live in an industrial wasteland just so you can hear your engine roar?
-Penguin
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Yes! Which means Diesel should ALWAYS be cheaper than gas. It's how you know you're getting ripped off. It's more :x to them that way. :bhead :furious
it is. if you do a little research on diesel engines, you'll find that they weren't even designed to run on diesel fuel. they were originally designed to run on(i think...i'd have to go looking again) peanut oil. they were designed for farmers to be able to run on their own fuel.
it was one of the larger oil companies(i forget which one) that realized there was a market for their "waste" product which was created from refining gasoline.
if you've seen these sites showing ya how to run on bio-diesel? it's made from cooking oil.
BTW....there's not much difference between diesel, kerosene, home heating oil, and i think even jet a fuel.
I thought so. I recall when Diesel prices were lower than gasoline (like they should be)....back when I wanted a diesel...Now I'm glad I have a gas burner.
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The Nissan leaf, for example.
-Penguin
PS Thanks for telling me the name of that car- it looks awesome!
and what is the range on the leaf at highway speed? i think it's less than 200 miles. then you need to charge for 8 hours. so this means that a 2 day trip from nj to florida will now take a week, rather than 2 days.
no good.
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The problem is that the oil is trapped in tiny little pockets which are quite far apart. Yes, there is that much oil, but we'd need so many new wells that it would become unprofitable. On the anti-treehugger note, do you really want to live in an industrial wasteland just so you can hear your engine roar?
-Penguin
it will not turn us into an industrial wasteland. you're falling for the propaganda they feed you in school.
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and what is the range on the leaf at highway speed? i think it's less than 200 miles. then you need to charge for 8 hours. so this means that a 2 day trip from nj to florida will now take a week, rather than 2 days.
no good.
If I were going that far, I'd fly. No way am I going to spend two days in a car! Furthermore, 200 miles is plenty, 50 miles to work, 50 miles back (if you even go that far), and you still have 100 miles left to do whatever you want. Honestly, if you're driving that far daily, you should consider relocating.
-Penguin
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Sweden 2.12$ liter (8.12$ gallon?)
Stop complaining :D
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If I were going that far, I'd fly. No way am I going to spend two days in a car! Furthermore, 200 miles is plenty, 50 miles to work, 50 miles back (if you even go that far), and you still have 100 miles left to do whatever you want. Honestly, if you're driving that far daily, you should consider relocating.
-Penguin
no, 200 miles is not plenty. i will not be limited due to this.
for the record, it takes my mom 2 days. she makes it to dunn north carolina. then the next day she gets in at dinner time.
when i go, the longest it's taken me is 24 hours. the quickest i've made it is 14.5 hours.
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no, 200 miles is not plenty. i will not be limited due to this.
You just contradicted yourself. Explain to me why you're spending at least 3 hours on the road daily. (This is assuming a steady speed of 60 mph)
-Penguin
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You just contradicted yourself. Explain to me why you're spending at least 3 hours on the road daily. (This is assuming a steady speed of 60 mph)
-Penguin
i fill my tank up once a week. i drive 8 miles each way to work. i then drive 17 miles to work in philly. once a week, i drive 40 miles each way to mcguire afb.
i would need to plug in at each place to be assured of being able to make the trips. a lot of my driving is night driving.
i often travel extensive distances to purchase parts for my hot rods. i drove to hershey pa recently to buy parts for my fairmont. with this car, i'd have had to stay there, and charge for nearly 87 hours before i could come home.
bad idea.
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I thought we had it rough at $1.35
Almost makes the $1.21 a liter here seem cheap and I thought Canada had the worlds largest known oil supply....Oh ya 65 cents of that is tax...........
:salute
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A friend of mine got a Leaf. It only lasts about 80 miles (from a full charge) at freeway speeds. He has returned it as he was getting paranoid about being dead on the side of the road all the time. No one needs that stress added to their lives.
It is a shame the EPA practically blocks all diesel engine based cars, as the Mini Diesel gets over 75MPG and is slightly quicker than the base Mini. I would be happy to pay 30% more for fuel, and get 50% better gas mileage. Seems like a win to me.
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Couldn't agree more,diesel technology has come a long way the last few years,both emmissions and fuel milage have increased. Add in the fact that biodiesel will work in almost all the new diesels and I think North America has to look at what they've been doing in Europe as far as diesel cars go.
:salute
PS: a diesel/electric hybred has been powering buses in Europe for sometime now,this seems like a viable option but we dont see the auto makers going that route do we!!! :o
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See Rule #4
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i fill my tank up once a week. i drive 8 miles each way to work. i then drive 17 miles to work in philly. once a week, i drive 40 miles each way to mcguire afb.
i would need to plug in at each place to be assured of being able to make the trips. a lot of my driving is night driving.
i often travel extensive distances to purchase parts for my hot rods. i drove to hershey pa recently to buy parts for my fairmont. with this car, i'd have had to stay there, and charge for nearly 87 hours before i could come home.
bad idea.
Why? You have 200 miles to work with. When you drive makes no difference, other than the headlights. Again, you seem to put forth many non-sequiturs.
-Penguin
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A friend of mine got a Leaf. It only lasts about 80 miles (from a full charge) at freeway speeds. He has returned it as he was getting paranoid about being dead on the side of the road all the time. No one needs that stress added to their lives.
It is a shame the EPA practically blocks all diesel engine based cars, as the Mini Diesel gets over 75MPG and is slightly quicker than the base Mini. I would be happy to pay 30% more for fuel, and get 50% better gas mileage. Seems like a win to me.
so basically, in a leaf, driving at night, i couldn't make the round trip to and from mcguire without plugging it in at each stop.
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Sorry Skuzzy.... :cheers:
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tesla claims a 200 mile range.
the top gear dorks found differently.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l4RQoc4zM4
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In Nissans defense, there seems to be some software bugs causing the battery usage to either be higher than it should be, or the meter being incorrect as to what is left of the charge in the batteries.
However, I think pulling into any commercial business and asking if you can borrow some electricity would be met with some negative results.
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A friend of mine got a Leaf. It only lasts about 80 miles (from a full charge) at freeway speeds. He has returned it as he was getting paranoid about being dead on the side of the road all the time. No one needs that stress added to their lives.
It is a shame the EPA practically blocks all diesel engine based cars, as the Mini Diesel gets over 75MPG and is slightly quicker than the base Mini. I would be happy to pay 30% more for fuel, and get 50% better gas mileage. Seems like a win to me.
That is just sad to hear. I know the same thing limited the Volkswagen Touareg TDI powered SUV they were going to bring over here as well. I have a friend in Germany that has one and it gets similar fuel mileage to my old bosses diesel powered 530 series BMW wagon and his bosses Audi A8 D3 series with a 4.0L V8 TDI. We drove in a small convoy from Warstein, Germany to Munich with those two cars. The Audi averaged around 35mpg on the Autobahn...at 200Kmh average driving speed over that trip.
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I heard of this freaky little inline 3 cylinder car which got 70 mpg.
-Penguin
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Next thing you'll hear about is electric powered race cars :noid
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Next thing you'll hear about is electric powered race cars :noid
google pass time. if you remember that show, it was a spin off from pinks. there was a guy with an electric dragster. the motor would fit in the trunk of my geo. he ran a mid 8 second pass if i recall.
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"I think they call that "supply and demand"... Enviromentalist
types tend to leave that out."
No. The real problem is big oil apologists like to turn a blind eye to the
efforts by big oil to suppress alternative energy sources (Example:
Chevron and the lithium battery). Nothing will change until they've
squeezed this lemon dry and then they'll provide a solution that they're
been sitting on and which will continue to provide them with insanely
big profits.
"... put gas back UNDER a dollar a gallon..."
Where would the 45billion per year profit be in that?
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"I think they call that "supply and demand"... Enviromentalist
types tend to leave that out."
No. The real problem is big oil apologists like to turn a blind eye to the
efforts by big oil to suppress alternative energy sources (Example:
Chevron and the lithium battery). Nothing will change until they've
squeezed this lemon dry and then they'll provide a solution that they're
been sitting on and which will continue to provide them with insanely
big profits.
"... put gas back UNDER a dollar a gallon..."
Where would the 45billion per year profit be in that?
If you are refering to Exxon/Mobil that 45billion translated to about a 9% profit. Ive got mutual funds that have made more than 9% in a year. Its all how you spin it.
Coca Cola has had a profit margin of 25%
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I remember pulling into a gas station last summer and seeing them changing the price on the signs. I stupidly asked, "Did you get a new delivery?" The gas station owner had the balls to tell me, "No, I was told to raise the price because everyone else is. I don't get a delivery until next week."
Sadly, I don't even blame the gas stations, they are just the end of a very corrupt chain.
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That's called price fixing, and he should be in jail.
-Penguin
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I remember pulling into a gas station last summer and seeing them changing the price on the signs. I stupidly asked, "Did you get a new delivery?" The gas station owner had the balls to tell me, "No, I was told to raise the price because everyone else is. I don't get a delivery until next week."
Sadly, I don't even blame the gas stations, they are just the end of a very corrupt chain.
this is another problem we run into.
most people i deal with in the gas industry around here are russians, and/or indians.
whereas when americans had more control, the typical price wars would take place. if my station was a little slow, i'd drop my price as much as i could afford to get people to come to me, rather than you. then you'd do the same. kept things affordable.
now, the indians seem to be of the attitude of we're gonna hafta buy it somewhere, regardless of the price, so they all keep it about the same. then add to that that most of them own many more than one station. in the case of the pumps out front here....that guy owns 8 stations. his uncle owns 10. his father owns 6 or 7.
makes it pretty easy to see why there aren't those price wars anymore.
and of course didn't oil not used to be traded on the market? if so, whos genius idea was it to start doing that?
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I bought diesel the other night for my Lt Truck and the new price is $4.05 / gallon. I live in California and the oil companies were forced to lower
the Sulfur content some years ago. After the legislation was passed the price for diesel became more expensive than
gasoline, even though diesel is way way less expensive to manufacture. I get about 20 to 21 miles/gallon on the highway and there is
no way I could get that kind of mileage out of a gasoline engine.
As far as electric cars go, I plan to get one in the near future. Our local electric company charges us with a tiered system based on
what they think a house should consume in a given area. When you get into the 2nd and 3rd tiers, rates really go up. Thus, it will
be necessary to get electric panels to keep our house from getting into the 2nd and 3rd tiers. Every two or three years
the solar panel drop 1/2 in price so they are becoming more affordable. Instead of paying the local electric company, you could be
making payments to the finance company that helped you buy the solar panels. In my area, the monthly payment would be almost
the same as the utility bill over a 5 year period.
The Nissan Leaf, the Ford Focus Electric, and the Mitsubishi Whatchamacallit all get about 100 miles before a recharge. I'm sure Nissan will
get the software bugs worked out. The GM Volt is different. The gasoline engine comes on to recharge the batteries once you've gone
the 40 or so miles. It is not quite a hybrid as it can be plugged in to recharge and it's full range is over 400 miles if the tank is full.
As far as Lithium goes, half of the world's reserve sits in Bolivia. The rest will be mined in China, Chile, and Argentina. There have been
large reserves discovered in Afghanistan as well. If only a few players control the Lithium, the price can skyrocket when demand increases
for electric cars. Other technologies to store power will have to be developed. Lots of companies are working on a Supercapacitor for use
in automobiles, but that is years away. Supercapacitors could be fully charged in a few minutes. Lithium batteries can take 20 to 30 hours to charge
with 110 v, 4 or so hours with 220 v, and half an hour or less using 440 volts.
Electric cars will work if you have a short commute to work and if you go the solar panel route. As electric usage goes up, so will the electric rates.
Oil companies need the competition if they hope to survive. There is not an infinite supply of petroleum in the ground.
As more electric cars appear on the road, soon gas stations will offer charging stations. The higher voltages will allow the vehicles to be
charged in a reasonable amount of time. The government rebates also help get the initial cost of the car down.
The large automobile companies really don't want to build electric cars because they don't wear out. The electric engine has very few moving
parts, unlike the internal combustion engine that can wear out after 200 to 300 thousand miles. The electric Bart Trains where I live have been in service
since 1972 and are still running. How long will your electric car run? GM, Ford, Chrysler, or any other car manufacture really don't want to find out.
It is worth your time to read more about the electric cars. Tesla says their Roadster costs about 2 cents per mile to operate, but 110 thousand dollars
is a bit pricey. They plan on selling their S model ( 50 grand) in 2012, and another less expensive model (30 grand) 2 years after that. They are making a
mistake.They should skip the Model S and start manufacturing the less expensive model while government rebates are being offered. They are going to
miss their window.
Alright, I have said enough.
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Mano
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something you missed on lithium batteries.......when you "fast" charge them, you shorten their lifespan.
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I knew when I clicked on the POST button I forgot something. Thanks Cap1. :D
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Mano
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I knew when I clicked on the POST button I forgot something. Thanks Cap1. :D
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Mano
no problem. i wasn't trying to be a wise ass....your post was actually very good to read. :aok
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I know you weren't. You have a good sense of humor......from the other post I have read.
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Mano
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I know you weren't. You have a good sense of humor......from the other post I have read.
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Mano
hhmm......sounds like a fellow warped person. :devil
warped sense of humor? definitely. good? some say so, others say not....... :noid :bolt: :airplane:
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only the dumb ones ;)
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I remember pulling into a gas station last summer and seeing them changing the price on the signs. I stupidly asked, "Did you get a new delivery?" The gas station owner had the balls to tell me, "No, I was told to raise the price because everyone else is. I don't get a delivery until next week."
Sadly, I don't even blame the gas stations, they are just the end of a very corrupt chain.
There is a man in my home town that runs a BP station and manages deliveries to all of the gas stations in town, and he cuts off their supply if they sell cheaper than him....but no one seems to care.... :bhead
It's OK though, a bigger chain just established a gas station in town - let's see how this goes.
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I've watched our towns Fuel prices rise by 53 cents in the last two weeks, which in turn drives the prices of everything that relies on transportation of there products, produce has really risen to outrageous levels, man i wish our wages would :old:
And people wonder why I think unions these days are worthless. Haven't joined one since and will avoid doing so since the last and only one I was a member of acted like they were holier to us members than the pope for "bargaining" with our employers to get paid $0.05 above the newly raised minimum wage at the time when we were already getting paid $0.05 cents above the previous minimum wage. Thanks for bargaining for absolutely nothing that the state electorate didn't already fight for and take to the ballots and then sending out a memo taking all the credit and acting like you guys were walking on water and had finaly won something for us members in the last two decades.
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so lets see.
there was the arab oil embargo in 73, 74 i think.
then in 78 they said there was an oil shortage. i started driving in 79. i remember sitting in lines a couple blocks long to get to the gas pumps. apparently there wasn't much of a shortage, seeing as we still have plenty. or could it be that oil is not a limited resource?
There was an oil shortage.. it was in the US when it hit peak oil...not in the arab nations (those are slated to hit peak oil within 50yrs or so if not sooner).
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Here is something I dont understand. For some vehicles you can get a chip that gives you around an extra 10 MPG plus a little extra horsepower (it has been proven it works). How come this technology isnt used in vehicles in a daily basis?
Im willing to bet the car and oil companies are all chummie to not include them to keep oil demand high and fuel prices up
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Last night it was $3.07 today $3.19 wtf :headscratch: :bhead
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Here is something I dont understand. For some vehicles you can get a chip that gives you around an extra 10 MPG plus a little extra horsepower (it has been proven it works). How come this technology isnt used in vehicles in a daily basis?
Im willing to bet the car and oil companies are all chummie to not include them to keep oil demand high and fuel prices up
this one's pretty easy to answer(although mr kgb will be along to tell me i'm wrong :devil)
use a ford focus for example. this car is mass produced. it has to meet emissions standards in every state, plus it has to run good at higher altitude places as well as sea level places. it has to run good in cold weather, and hot weather, on many different qualities of gasoline.
to do this effectively, and affordably, they use a program that makes compromises in order to achieve this.
there were ford racers back in the 80's and 90's cracking the code on fords EEC4 control systems, and gaining upwards of 50hp by simply changing the fuel and timing curves.
so now, imagine if you could write a program for your computer changing the injector timing, the injector "on" time, the ignition timing(EEC5 and most obd2 systems can actually control ignition timing individually per cylinder), and so on.
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For diesel engines they work wonders especially on a dually and road tractors. Back in the 70's when fuel efficiency was a big thing and the technology even then was capable for better milage vehicles. Seems to me they would press the issue even more with the newer technology and keep prices down on vehicles.
To me we dont need sensors and every little trinket under the hood and in the interiors just to make a car look pretty. Hell you cant even work on the new ones anymore without it being a pain in the bellybutton just for simple jobs
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For diesel engines they work wonders especially on a dually and road tractors. Back in the 70's when fuel efficiency was a big thing and the technology even then was capable for better milage vehicles. Seems to me they would press the issue even more with the newer technology and keep prices down on vehicles.
To me we dont need sensors and every little trinket under the hood and in the interiors just to make a car look pretty. Hell you cant even work on the new ones anymore without it being a pain in the bellybutton just for simple jobs
true, you can't........
the majority of sensors you find installed under the hood, are sensors that really are necessary to allow the ECM to properly control the engine.
interior sensors generally are more for safety. an exception may be on drive by wire throttles. generally you'll find 2 accelerator pedal position sensors, and 2 throttle position sensors. they all need to "jive".
as we move to more electrics in cars(such as electric braking, and electric steering assist)there will be more and more need for these sensors.
cars were never really any kind of effecient in the 70's. the manufacturers were only still learning about pollution controls, and how to control them properly.
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$1.10 a liter this morning...
thats $4.15 a gallon.
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My 2003 Honda Civic gets 48mpg (average over its lifespan) and I buy gas about twice a year which means whenever I need to wash it I fill it up.
What will happen first? Riots over food shortages... $10/gal gas... or I need to fill up? Im betting on the riots.