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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Rondar on March 03, 2011, 11:07:14 AM
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If I were to build another computer, what processor is preferred now? Intel, Amd, and which one. I am not looking for the best absolute killer computer, just one that will run aces high and surf internet for a few years. I was going to give my old computer to the wife so I can have mine back. (this computer is flat sick of looking at jcpenneys, menards, macy's, kohls, etc :( :cry )
Well, anybody have a preferred parts list for 600 to 1000 dollars?
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economy wise, take a look at the parts on this discussion...
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,307848.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,307848.0.html)
if you want to save money and have good performance...amd...if you don't care about money and want a hot fast system...intel.
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Not sure how much into your budget you want to go, However I priced the following @ $811.93, This includes a 6 Core processor, 6GB DDR3 Ram, a 470 Fermi 1GB Graphics Card, NZXT Phantom (Nice cool case, You can however save some money by choosing a different case). 730watt powersupply, MoBo that offers overclock options and the Hard Drive is just a normal 500GB, If you want a Veolicraptor those will affect your price considerably since I think the 150GB is $119.
If anyone here would like to add to or remove/modify from my list please go ahead!
Case: NZXT Phantom - $139.99
MoBo: GIGABYTE GA-870A - $94.99
CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz 6 Core - $199.99
Memory (RAM): G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 - $64.99
Power Supply: RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-730SS 730W - $59.99
Vid Card: EVGA 012-P3-1470-RX GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 - $211.99 (Recertified saved $$$)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache - $39.99
Subtotal: $811.93
Also the Vid Card comes with a free copy of Iron Man 2 lol
Oh btw this would be MORE than sufficient to run AH and alot of other games for Years to come =]
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^^^^excellent rig^^
though I would go overboard and get a 900 watt PSU just because if you were to upgrade then you wouldnt need to buy another PSU.
my .02
LawnDart
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i would change out the video card for an ati 5870...only because the base platform is amd
just a point to outbreak...that whole rig is a bit overkill according to the op.
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i would change out the video card for an ati 5870...only because the base platform is amd
just a point to outbreak...that whole rig is a bit overkill according to the op.
what Gyrene said regarding ATI & AMD, but also I would opt for a MotherBoard that had AMD North Bridge / South Bridge chipsets as well...... (NOTE: I did not look up what the listed Gigabyte board has on it )
while 6 cores sound "awesome" (not really) I would drop back to a Quadcore 956 or 970 phenom cpu..... and up my Ram from 6 gigs to 8 gigs <--- this depends on MB layout as well regarding dimm slots available 2/3/or 4....
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Partial to the Intel chips myself, the i7 series is a great processor and is uber easy to overclock. My brothers build has AMD phenom and he deals w BSOD a fair amount. It also allows you to disable the hyper-thread that actually helps out the the temps and speeds on single app. As far as the power supply....go big! wont loose, and its not like your sucking up that power all the time. The vid card......well I am running two ati radeon 5770 crossfired, good card but has a few glitches that amd hasn't worked out yet. more on the amd vid cards.....if you ever plan on getting a 120HZ monitor, amd will only support 60 Hz, had i known that, i would have opted for the nvidia.
Oh one other thing...the motherboard needs to support at least 12 g of mem. I confess i have not looked at it. Newer games are getting to be REAL mem hogs
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The vid card......well I am running two ati radeon 5770 crossfired, good card but has a few glitches that amd hasn't worked out yet. more on the amd vid cards.....if you ever plan on getting a 120HZ monitor, amd will only support 60 Hz, had i known that, i would have opted for the nvidia.
is this something specific to the 5770 models? I have not heard of this before.... never had this problem with any Ati cards in the past ....... thought it was dependent on the monitor's alloted refresh and the graphics card refresh depending on what res one uses???
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just a quick mock up configured build from CyberPower PC's on the net I came up with this, which has SATA III & USB 3.0 ports
using a SATA III HD
CyberPower configured System specs:
*BASE_PRICE: [+579]
CARE1: Professional Wiring for All WIRING Inside The System Chassis - Minimize Cable Exposure, Maximize Airflow in Your System [+19]
CAS: CoolerMaster Elite 430 Mid-Tower Gaming Case with Side Panel Window [-11]
CD: 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR)
CPU: AMD Phenom™II X4 965 Black Edition Quad-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology [+76]
CS_FAN: Maximum 120MM Case Cooling Fans for your selected case [+9]
FAN: XtremeGear Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Enhanced Cooling Performance + Extreme Silent at 20dBA) (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
FLASHMEDIA: INTERNAL 12in1 Flash Media Reader/Writer [+10] (BLACK COLOR)
HDD: 500GB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [-10] (Single Hard Drive)
KEYBOARD: Xtreme Gear (Black Color) Multimedia/Internet USB Keyboard
MEMORY: 8GB (2GBx4) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Module [+94] (Kingston HyperX)
MOTHERBOARD: Asus M4A87TD EVO AMD 870 Chipset CrossFireX Support DDR3 Socket AM3 ATX w/ 7.1 Audio, GbLAN, IEEE1394a, USB3.0, SATA-III, RAID, 2 Gen2 PCIe, 1 PCIe X1, & 3 PCI [+54]
MOUSE: XtremeGear Optical USB 3 Buttons Gaming Mouse
NETWORK: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
OS: None - FORMAT HARD DRIVE ONLY [-83]
POWERSUPPLY: 700 Watts - XtremeGear SLI/CrossFireX Ready Power Supply [+10]
RUSH: NO; READY TO SHIP IN 5~10 BUSINESS DAYS
SERVICE: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
USB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
VIDEO: ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB GDDR5 16X PCIe Video Card [+43] (Major Brand Powered by ATI)
_PRICE: (+790)
cost: $790.00 + shipping
if I had added in Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit OS the price jumped to $978.00 + Shipping
to have something to compare to, and this comes with 3 year warranty and preassembled and liquid cooled CPU
I am not promoting CyberPower PC, I have never bought from them or am I recommending them, this is just for comparison sake....use your own research, thoughts, etc... if you decide to purchase from these people ( I am non-biased in this post )
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Partial to the Intel chips myself, the i7 series is a great processor and is uber easy to overclock. My brothers build has AMD phenom and he deals w BSOD a fair amount. It also allows you to disable the hyper-thread that actually helps out the the temps and speeds on single app. As far as the power supply....go big! wont loose, and its not like your sucking up that power all the time. The vid card......well I am running two ati radeon 5770 crossfired, good card but has a few glitches that amd hasn't worked out yet. more on the amd vid cards.....if you ever plan on getting a 120HZ monitor, amd will only support 60 Hz, had i known that, i would have opted for the nvidia.
Oh one other thing...the motherboard needs to support at least 12 g of mem. I confess i have not looked at it. Newer games are getting to be REAL mem hogs
aside from the intel cpus being overpriced, for an economical gaming rig (read as cheap and reliable)...amd phenom's especially the black editions, with amd north/south bridge chipset mobo's are powerful enough to handle most anything for a lower cost than an equal intel...you have to be aware of the potentials for problems when matching an amd cpu to a mobo...i make it a point to never buy 1st gen, which keeps me from making rash decisions about the actual capabilities, or giving poor advice...
never heard of a refresh rate limit of only 60hz for the top tier radeon video cards...i have a 4870 that i know will support 82hz if my monitor will...if you don't have an actual driver to identify your monitor's hardware to the os, the video card will default to native resolution at 60hz...
6gb of ram for a gaming system is more than adequate...12gb is wasted memory.
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TequilaChaser, that is a nice list indeed. I roughed out a system somewhat like yours, and it came to 1001 dollars, which would qualify for their 5% discount if I can wait 2-3 weeks, which I could, so that would save another 50.00 there.
I then took that very list and went to newegg, and priced out each component as near as I could, meaning sometimes mouse brand or keyboard brand or something little was different branded so I had to adjust. It came out to 1079 bucks, and I would only have the individual components warrenty and such.
I'm still thinking I would like to go cheaper by a couple hundred dollars, but where does one start cutting?
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I'm still thinking I would like to go cheaper by a couple hundred dollars, but where does one start cutting?
swap the liquid cooling for a large fan type rifle cooler...drop the memory from 8gb to 4gb or 6gb (since you won't need that much unless you're gonna host a webserver)...
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if you want it for ah, get an intel cpu. less problems playing ah per skuzzy. he has mentioned this in many threads. I believe he's talking as a group he has more problems with amd than with intel. then there's the one core thingy which I don't understand but you may want to research. as for getting six cores ah only uses two so get the fastest two core cpu you can afford rather than a slower zilion cores.
semp
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Which version of windows 7 should one get? 32 or 64 bit... and home or professional or ultimate? I dont know. Should a guy cut in the video card or is that asking for trouble?
And Semp, that makes sense.
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64bit win7 would be able to recognize and make use of all that ram...professional would be better than home edition...don't cut back on that graphics card...the quad core amd will be stable enough with win7 and ah as long as the mobo has matching amd chipsets...it's when you start mixing nvidia chipsets with amd cpus and tossing soundblaster sound cards into systems with onboard audio chips that you start having problems...overclocking can cause problems too unless you know what you're doing...
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is this something specific to the 5770 models? I have not heard of this before.... never had this problem with any Ati cards in the past ....... thought it was dependent on the monitor's alloted refresh and the graphics card refresh depending on what res one uses???
Crossfire is most likely the culprit there.
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March 18th will see the release of the EVGA X67 MBs which are slated to run $199 (SLI) and probably $359 for the Classified version. These are socket 1155 MBs so if you have fears from recent press releases on Intel Sandy Bridge you should look the other way. These boards do not support PCI as every slot is PCIe of one sort or another. ASUS and Gigabyte also have their own versions out and all of them are dual-channel designs versus the tri-channel 1366 designs. They do offer SATA3 and USB3 but only two ports each.
I will be building three systems but I am going to be a slow adopter this time and keep an eye on the EVGA forums for an idea as to how things are going.
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if you want it for ah, get an Intel cpu. less problems playing ah per skuzzy. he has mentioned this in many threads. I believe he's talking as a group he has more problems with amd than with intel. then there's the one core thingy which I don't understand but you may want to research. as for getting six cores ah only uses two so get the fastest two core cpu you can afford rather than a slower zilion cores.
semp
this is just one opinion of thousands........ I have been here playing Aces High since Beta and I have used AMD cpu's the whole time, outside of building an Intel celeron 333 cpu computer for my (x)father-in-law to play the game back in 99/2000 and tweaking an Intel Pent 4 to play the game ( which truly sucked in my opinion but it had more to do with the complete components combined in that person's PC )..... I have not had problems with AMD and Aces High.....
their are thousands here in Aces High who have AMD equipped computers and have no problems..... then again, their are 100's ( or maybe thousands ) that have AMD (and also the same amount that have Intel ) and they always have problems with Aces High...... but most times these problems are not because Aces High will not work with the CPU ( regardless of CPU brand ).it is because the users with the troubled computers bloat their PC's down, try to use P2P file sharing programs, try to go beyond the means of what the complete PC build is actually capable of, and numerous other things which is actually USER ERROR and IGNORANCE or incompetence with only the knowledge of turning the PC on and double clicking /scrolling and nothing more......
Skuzzy recommends Intel, and Aces High has less or ( easier problem fixes perhaps ) with Intel......
but if one does the proper question asking, research of components, specing out a build the proper mixing of components, then there is nothing wrong with AMD and AH working flawlessly, even if you might be limited to just using a single core of a multi-core CPU....... you can still build a PC with AMD that will flat out haul bellybutton and have the ability to run everything maxed out at the highest screen res settings, with no problems...... it has been proven many times over already
NOTE: btw the spellchecker is biased it includes Intel in the dictionary but does not include AMD :rofl :D
NOTE: this is a personal opinion also just like the one I quoted
if ya need any help just ask, lots here are willing to offer you advice, but be sure to double check and research everything
best of luck
hope this helps
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so amd uses only one core while intel uses 2, is that correct? just so I understand better how is that same as intel?
semp
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I personally use a amd 3.0 quad amd overclocked to 3300. (suppose I could go more , but have no interest.) I also use a 8800 gt video card, 4 gig ram on a 32 bit winblows OS. I can play aces high with 59 frame rate with some AA on, and eye candy, but I do not use the high texture download or shadows. Sometimes I lose framerate, but I do not turn off extra processes. I keep my anti virus on and firewall on.
I am neither endorsing Intel or AMD, if I were to build a computer and wanted budget I would build AMD. If I were to go spend alot of money I would go Intel.
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so amd uses only one core while intel uses 2, is that correct? just so I understand better how is that same as intel?
semp
geez semp...nowhere did tc say anything of that sort...read it again...
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dont want to quote the whole text but see this.
but if one does the proper question asking, research of components, specing out a build the proper mixing of components, then there is nothing wrong with AMD and AH working flawlessly, even if you might be limited to just using a single core of a multi-core CPU....... you can still build a PC with AMD that will flat out haul bellybutton and have the ability to run everything maxed out at the highest screen res settings, with no problems...... it has been proven many times over already
i built my puter for around 700 and played withe everything maxed out including hi res and shadows at 2014(or whatever it is). it's an intel e8400 based cpu with an evga 9800gtx+. I had mine oc to 3.8. had no problems playing ah with it. i researched mine and i wouldda saved less than 100 bucks but perhaps i would've had some headaches. so i decided the money saved wasnt worth the trouble, if I had any. Not saying i wouldda had, but i looked at it as insurance. i couldda gotten it for cheaper if i had gotten some lesser components. but oh well.
now the reason i am asking about the 1 v 2 core is because my son is building one and well that gives him an option.
semp
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then there's the one core thingy which I don't understand but you may want to research.
semp
he was referencing your reference of the "one core thingy"...he's saying even if only one core of a multi-core cpu is utilzed, amd cpu's can handle it as well as intel.
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he was referencing your reference of the "one core thingy"...he's saying even if only one core of a multi-core cpu is utilzed, amd cpu's can handle it as well as intel.
it was my understanding that ah only uses 1 core of amd while intel uses two.
semp
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"SWHOOSH over the head" :rofl
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If I read the info page from Ver 223 Patch 2:
A fix has been included in AH that should fix the issue w/ AMD cpu's running in compatibility mode (which we all know is setting the OS to allow usage of only 1 cpu core).
The question is......................
Has anyone w/ an AMD dual-core or higher have tested this to be true?
Shouldn't be an issue from now on, but.......................... ............................. ............................?
I don't know as I'm using an Intel CPU.
:salute
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That brings me to another thought...................... .........................
If Hitech & Co have indeed fixed this issue w/ the AMD cpus in the game software then this should change the cpu debate somewhat as far as AH is concerned.................... ...but, since I'm not the 1 that has to provide customer support for AH, my statement here is only my opinion & not representative of Hitech & Co.
:D
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If I read the info page from Ver 223 Patch 2:
A fix has been included in AH that should fix the issue w/ AMD cpu's running in compatibility mode (which we all know is setting the OS to allow usage of only 1 cpu core).
The fix was so that "Some people" with AMD dual/triple/quad core CPU's do not have to use windows compatibility mode
they still will only get use of only 1 of the 2 or more cores of their CPU ( depending if dual/Triple/Quad/etc ) they just do not have to right click and click on "run in winXP or Win98 compatability mode"
for instance, I have never had to use the "Windows Compatability mode" function to get my AH to work correctly with my dual Core CPU computers..... while others had to to get the game to play correctly.....
hope this helps
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which brings up the in some instances amd might not be best for playing ah. and even though it costs less than intel well you're better off buying intel.
semp
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which brings up the in some instances amd might not be best for playing ah. and even though it costs less than intel well you're better off buying intel.
semp
we get it, you like Intel......
most definitely if you are incompetent and do not want to bother with researching your PC build and are unsure of building a PC and want to have someone else always fixing your problems when you screw up and do P2P, play pogo, etc....
which seems to be why you resorted to an Intel build, semp...... you said you was unsure of yourself, I mean just go back and look through all your computer related threads
but it's ok, most of us who have custom built an AMD machine like what we have and are extremely happy with how they perform playing Aces High........ and we get it, we save 200 to 800 dollars and got just as good performance...it's a win win
but seriously? why must you keep on posting your inane idiotic replys and screwing up a decent thread where someone inquired about some help, I will never understand, guess it is just your way.......
have a good evening
TC
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"SWHOOSH over the head" :rofl
tc i am trying to learn but with comments like this. i am stuck. like i said i am an idiot when it comes to amd, so when i ask questions and get answers like that. what do you expect. as for being incompetent, that i am not. I did my research and when i asked about amd all the amd gods said the same thing, research and you can build a better computer. but no one pointed the way. and they mentioned that there were problems but with the right components there wont be any. but was hard to get an idea of what problems i may have. when i asked about intel nobody said i was gonna have problems. it was just get a good mobo, cpu, ps and vc. no problem.
so anyway would you care to explain does amd uses only 1 core? and intel uses 2. wont that make intel faster? like i said it went over my head, probably because i am stupid and dont know better. and that's why i am asking for help. and if i get an amd cpu which type of mobo would work better and which type of vc?
as for liking intel, i coudnt care less, on the other hand, all my experience is with intel.
semp
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tc i am trying to learn but with comments like this. i am stuck. like i said i am an idiot when it comes to amd, so when i ask questions and get answers like that. what do you expect.
so anyway would you care to explain does amd uses only 1 core? and intel uses 2.
Semp,Sir.....
I posted that comment because I specifically pointed out that AMD used only 1 core prior to your "3" post after me pointing it out, then you went and asked again,
edit: about AH only using 1 core of an AMD multi-core CPU after I posted a reply explaining it to Pudgie......
so I have posted 2 seperate times that AH only uses 1 core of an AMD multi core CPU........ and I never said anything regarding Intel outside of maybe indirectly saying Intel cost more
I NEVER said AMD was faster than , or better than Intel ( and I never said Intel was faster or better than AMD )
I said people can save money going the AMD route, but I also posted that people should do their research and ask questions and make sure all their PC components will work together correctly.....NOTE: this last statement should apply to any & all PC's regardless if it is an Intel or AMD CPU...... some people have built Intel based PC's and had problems because they did not research their build specifications.....
I seriously hope I have properly answered your questions
TC
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Semp,Sir.....
I posted that comment because I specifically pointed out that AMD used only 1 core prior to your "3" post after me pointing it out, then you went and asked again,
edit: about AH only using 1 core of an AMD multi-core CPU after I posted a reply explaining it to Pudgie......
so I have posted 2 seperate times that AH only uses 1 core of an AMD multi core CPU........ and I never said anything regarding Intel outside of maybe indirectly saying Intel cost more
I NEVER said AMD was faster than , or better than Intel ( and I never said Intel was faster or better than AMD )
I said people can save money going the AMD route, but I also posted that people should do their research and ask questions and make sure all their PC components will work together correctly.....NOTE: this last statement should apply to any & all PC's regardless if it is an Intel or AMD CPU...... some people have built Intel based PC's and had problems because they did not research their build specifications.....
I seriously hope I have properly answered your questions
TC
tc my bad for misunderstanding your post, i apologize :salute.
this is where I am confused and hope you can help me. if amd uses only 1 core how is that comparable to intel that uses two? Like I said i am just your average computer user, but it would seem 2 is better than 1. this is where most people like me who know nothing about amd get confused. since all we know is two cores is better than 1 and 4 is better than 2, unless you're playing a game (mostly) in which case only 2 are used. all assuming the more cores have a faster cpu clock.
thanks for your patience TC,
semp