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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MachFly on March 06, 2011, 10:51:56 PM
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I'm trying to find out what is the maximum knife length that you can carry concealed with you in arizona. As far as I know if it's not concealed you can carry what ever you want, but the only thing I was able to find for concealed is that it has to be a pocket knife. I have no idea what is the official meaning of a pocket knife.
Any help will be appreciated.
thanks
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Here you go buddy
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/03102.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS
edit: There is no length limit of any kind, but local laws may still apply
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in nj, the blade should be no larger than the palm of your hand...and it cannot be spring assisted or a switch blade..........
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It's illegal for me to carry ninja stars in texas.
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Use to be that it had to have a non-locking folding blade that was no longer then the width of your palm to be considered a pocket knife.
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Here you go buddy
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/03102.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS
edit: There is no length limit of any kind, but local laws may still apply
This ordinance must be outdated since it is now legal to carry a concealed weapon, unless the new law only pertains to firearms.
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Here you go buddy
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/03102.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS
edit: There is no length limit of any kind, but local laws may still apply
(http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1363/sscjawdrop3.gif) That's for the court, I don't speak lawyer. Thanks though.
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I just don't know how you'll get one of these in your pocket anyway.
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWkyYatfoON0W6lRc-yXxGIykZJNKK-XG2sOkUFiMgJ3x4Nf-5qw&t=1)
:neener:
Yeah it doesn't appear to define pocket knife. You'd just have to feel comfortable that is it more pocket knife than "deadly weapon" (whatever that means).
Here in Kansas, blade limit is 4", no knives that are deployed by push of button activating sping or push of button allowing gravity to deploy (paraphrasing here). As far as I understand, assisted open are still legal, and I carry one.
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Is the knife considered concealed if it's in the car?
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Is the knife considered concealed if it's in the car?
Again, varies state to state.
Yeah but I don't want it for people, I want it as a tool.
As a tool for what? Just day to day activities? Are you wanting to carry like a bowie knife or what?
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Updated my post above. Would the new law allowing concealed carry only apply to firearms?
If not I'd say you can carry any knife thats legal to own.
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Again, varies state to state.
As a tool for what? Just day to day activities? Are you wanting to carry like a bowie knife or what?
Just for day to day activity. Open a watch, open a bottle, open an MRE bag (thous are hard to open), ect...
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Just for day to day activity. Open a watch, open a bottle, open an MRE bag (thous are hard to open), ect...
I can't imagine you would NEED a large knife for those tasks, nor would it really be practical.
Also, is opening watches a daily activity for you?
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I can't imagine you would NEED a large knife for those tasks, nor would it really be practical.
Also, is opening watches a daily activity for you?
No I don't need a large knife, but I don't want a 2in knife either. I'm pretty sure I don't want anything more than ~4.5in.
No lol, it's just that the battery in my watch died and I spend a week looking for my knife. No luck.
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No I don't need a large knife, but I don't want a 2in knife either. I'm pretty sure I don't want anything more than ~4.5in.
No lol, it's just that the battery in my watch died and I spend a week looking for my knife. No luck.
Oh I can understand that, I generally carry either the Kershaw Blur;
(http://www.uncrate.com/men/images/2009/04/kershaw-red-blur-folding-knife.jpg)
or Spyderco Tenacious:
(http://www.spyderco.com/pix/products/large/C122_L.jpg)
I don't really have a use for serrations and just having a full blade. A lot of people find these to be bigger knives, but I find they're just right for most jobs. On occasion, the job might require a smaller more fine pointed knife, but rarely do I need a larger one.
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Yeah all I want is a full blade, both knifes that you showed look just fine.
My primary concern is if $h1t hits the fan I'm not going to get in any legal trouble because of the knife. (just a precaution)
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I've been carrying that Kershaw a lot lately because it has assisted opening, which I love.
That Spyderco only costs about $30 and is an incredible knife for the money. I don't like to spend a lot of money on my pocket knives because I'm going to work the hell out of them.
Those are just two brands, there are literally hundreds of pocket knife designs out there. Unless you accidentally purchase a foldable sword, I don't think you'll run into any legal problems with what pocket knife you buy.
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Oh I can understand that, I generally carry either the Kershaw Blur;
(http://www.uncrate.com/men/images/2009/04/kershaw-red-blur-folding-knife.jpg)
or Spyderco Tenacious:
(http://www.spyderco.com/pix/products/large/C122_L.jpg)
I don't really have a use for serrations and just having a full blade. A lot of people find these to be bigger knives, but I find they're just right for most jobs. On occasion, the job might require a smaller more fine pointed knife, but rarely do I need a larger one.
the top kershaw is what i carry. it's kinda illegal to the best of my knowledge in nj though....spring assisted opening.......
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I've been carrying that Kershaw a lot lately because it has assisted opening, which I love.
That Spyderco only costs about $30 and is an incredible knife for the money. I don't like to spend a lot of money on my pocket knives because I'm going to work the hell out of them.
Those are just two brands, there are literally hundreds of pocket knife designs out there. Unless you accidentally purchase a foldable sword, I don't think you'll run into any legal problems with what pocket knife you buy.
(http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=60016&stc=1) :rofl
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thanks for the help :aok
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the top kershaw is what i carry. it's kinda illegal to the best of my knowledge in nj though....spring assisted opening.......
I am by no means a lawyer, but it looks like New Jersey law reads very similar to Kansas law with regard to pocket knives. I believe the spring assisted is legal because it doesn't meet the requirements of an automatic knife.
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6 inches is the legal blade size here in ohio.
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This ordinance must be outdated since it is now legal to carry a concealed weapon, unless the new law only pertains to firearms.
Can't speak for AZ, but in TX they did not change any of the existing laws concerning carrying a firearm, rather they added exceptions for Concealed carry, so all existing laws still apply.....just not to CHL holders.
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Can't speak for AZ, but in TX they did not change any of the existing laws concerning carrying a firearm, rather they added exceptions for Concealed carry, so all existing laws still apply.....just not to CHL holders.
In Arizona, you no longer need a permit to carry concealed, I'm not sure exactly how the law is written.
I'm wondering if the legal definition of weapon is only a firearm.
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It's illegal for me to carry ninja stars in texas.
why in the holy name of nijas would you want to carry them anyway?
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Slingblade.
Some folks calls it a Kiaser Blade.
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why in the holy name of nijas would you want to carry them anyway?
I think he uses them to wart of attacking toe thumbed chicks :D
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I carry a SOG Pentagon Elite and have done so for 10 years. Its the best pocket/utility knife for me that I have ever used.
(http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab119/willnic/SOGPentagonElite.jpg)
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Lol Subject line had me confused I live in az and had no idea we had knights. :noid
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I carry this its light weight and strong and a real good blade...
(http://www.surefire.com/surefire/content/images_inv/y/v/24381/EW-04_2.jpg)
Surefire Delta: Folding Combat/Utility Knife
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I have a simple question that should effect the size of the knife you are allowed to carry. What do you plan on doing that will draw attention to yourself by the police that the issue of the size of your knife and concealed carry is brought up?
Should I notify the police now that you plan on going on a MRE cutting spree through Army/Navy stores state wide?
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Good question BlueJ1; not many people need or want to carry something that big in order to conceal it. While I am not the OP I carry my blade in almost every imagineable situation from dinner on the town with my wife and/or family and friends; to hunting for various in season game. Just about the only place I don't carry mine is to bed but it is within reach as is my friendly little pop gun for in home defense.
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well i dont know about your area but where i live i ALWAYS carry a pocket knife on me at all times when im out and about in town (except to school) because ive hardly lived here for about 2 months and i just cant trust these people. there always a little edgy around me..its just plain wierd
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Lol Subject line had me confused I live in az and had no idea we had knights. :noid
I just noticed that myself :rofl
sorry guys
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Does anyone use a knife with a carbon steal blade?
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I carry this its light weight and strong and a real good blade...
(http://www.surefire.com/surefire/content/images_inv/y/v/24381/EW-04_2.jpg)
Surefire Delta: Folding Combat/Utility Knife
"That's not a knife................ Now, THAT'S a knife."
(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh73/leadguitar_323/thats-a-knife.jpg)
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Best blade I've had in years.
http://www.marblesknives.com/?BISKIT=1604173280
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Does anyone use a knife with a carbon steal blade?
most pocket knifes are made of surgical or stainless steel, A carbon steel blade you have to oil to keep from rusting, not so with pretty much every pocket knife Ive ever seen.
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Does anyone use a knife with a carbon steal blade?
I have one carbon steel hunting knife, and it's a beach to sharpen. High carbon steel has it's place for certain knives and people, and some folks I'm sure will swear by it. For what I use a pocket knife for, day to day activities (and believe me, it sees some use), stainless works great. Carbon steel will stay sharp longer, but it's not as if cutting MREs is going to dull your stainless in a week.
Don't discount stainless, it's a great steel for a pocket knife. Feel free to put up what you are considering on here and we can give you our impressions, of course the final decision is up to you.
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for carrying around the house:
(http://www.gerbergear.com/images/products/22-08445-1.jpg)
For the job:
(http://www.gerbergear.com/images/products/30-000118-1.jpg)
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I'm trying to find out what is the maximum knife length that you can carry concealed with you in arizona. As far as I know if it's not concealed you can carry what ever you want, but the only thing I was able to find for concealed is that it has to be a pocket knife. I have no idea what is the official meaning of a pocket knife.
Any help will be appreciated.
thanks
Rule of thumb and from every law enforcement person I know, if its length is less than (not = or greater) the width of your open palm, it is considered a utility/pocket knife. It's a logic thing. Gardners still use macheties, except they're 99% of the time in a sheath in the back of the truck next to a lawn mower, rake, leafe blower, etc.. Chefs still use (and own) lots of pretty big and sharp knifes they take with them to and from work, except these guys 99% of the time have a professional carrying case and look like they're just walking into or out of a professional kitchen. I own and take out of the house with me often a number of knifes larger than my palm (and often concealed in my pockets), but 99% of the time these are on outdoor trips like camping or fishing where I have things to colaborate such things like my tent or fishing pole and tackle box.
Does anyone use a knife with a carbon steal blade?
Yes but they are rare and a dyeing breed. Primarily the only religious carbon steel blade users I know are chefs or people in a position that they daily use/maintain/sharpen said carbon steel blade. That's because you need to constantly maintain them, keeping them clean, dry/oiled, and know how to keep them sharp. And even chefs are erring away from them for better and newer stainless steels that can hold up an equivalent edge without nearly as much maintenance or care and that can handle daily abuse much better.
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two of my blades, that are Carbon Steel...well I guess one don't quit classify as a Blade.... :D
as you can see with the axe what happens when you don't oil it regularly, the Gurkha to me is the best all around heavy work knife.
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/S3000032.jpg)
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Been eyeing a couple ceramic pocket knives.
Gonna read a little more on em 1st. They don't give em away.
My 10 dollar autozone knives have been great for years, open with a slight flick of the wrist.
But it might be time to move up.
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One of the things I miss most about living in AZ is the common sense when it comes to these things. Both in the written law and the application. Either way, as long as you are not waving it around and threatening people, and/or they don't find it sticking out of someone, they are pretty much not going to care.
AZ passed the concealed carry after I left, so I imagine it's even easier. The exceptions were banks, courthouses, bars, and any facility that has posted a "no guns" or "no weapons" sign. (Again, common sense) I think it's safe to assume you still shouldn't carry there.
I lived out in the open desert, and carried a nice .45LC Remington m. 1895 and a handmade coffin handled Bowie with a 10' blade. Never had anyone even ask me about it other than to "talk shop" and compare to theirs, including the cops :)
A lot of California Libs have been moving to Phoenix and Tucson lately, so things may change, and you are much more likely to run into someone wanting to cause trouble for you there, so I would recommend to err on the side of caution when traveling around there. I generally didn't open carry in those areas due to the political types, and most businesses in Phx had posted signs anyway. There may be City Ordinances to worry about as well.
Also, the cops in Mesa, at least when I was there, have a real attitude problem so be careful around them in any regard.
Unless they have changed it, switchblades were legal, but butterfly knives were not, which is the only law that made no sense to me.
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This is not exactly what I was looking for but I stumbled on these two knifes, was wondering if I could you get your opinion on them? As I never used one of those, I'm not sure how comfortable they are.
http://kennesawcutlery.com/Folding-Knives/Bear-Silver-Vein-Armor-Piercing-Butterfly-Knife (http://kennesawcutlery.com/Folding-Knives/Bear-Silver-Vein-Armor-Piercing-Butterfly-Knife)
http://kennesawcutlery.com/Knives/BEAR-ARMOR-PIERCING-BLACK-BUTTERFLY-KNIFE (http://kennesawcutlery.com/Knives/BEAR-ARMOR-PIERCING-BLACK-BUTTERFLY-KNIFE)
Are butterfly knifes officially considered to be weapons? (I think they are but I'm not sure)
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As I read it, basically it says, "no deadly weapons. It defines deadly weapons as: "1. "Deadly weapon" means anything that is designed for lethal use. ". Soo... whatever that means. Now assuming you aren't doing anything else illegal, you probably will never be approached by an officer about it to have to worry in the first place, but there is always the chance something may happen where you'd have to disclose to an officer you have one. Best case scenario he realizes you aren't using it as a weapon and doesn't bother you at all, worst case scenario he says you are in possession of a deadly weapon and you get in trouble. That's you decision to make, probably won't be an issue, but there is always a chance.
That all being said, I would never carry one of these as a pocket knife for day to day tasks. First of all, the fact that they call the thing "armor piercing" bugs the crap out of me, just marketing to make stuff sound Extreeeme! :rolleyes: I can't imagine the butterfly knife is really designed for the strain of repetitive tasks you would put on it in the roll of pocket knife. The rivets at the pivot points will probably weaken fairly quickly leaving you with play in the knife that is frustrating and unsafe.
These are some important things I consider when buying a knife.
1. Liner - lock or lock back design are by far the most prevalent folding pocket knife designs. I prefer the liner-lock because it makes one-handed operation so much easier.
2. Clip - I don't like things loose in my pockets, I always clip my knife to my jeans pocket. I want to make sure that it has a clip, and I like if I can flip the clip to carry my knife tip up in my pocket.
3. Thumb stud or other - It has to be easy to reach and manipulate. Spyderco does the cutout on their knives, but I still find it easy to use.
4. Blade - Do you want serrations, most knife models have a serrated option or a strait edge option. I don't know too much about the steels they use, but figure most knives over $30 are at least better than something you'd pick up in a bucket at the gas station.
5. Grip - Can I comfortably hold the knife and put pressure on the knife in my hand? It doesn't have to be super-aggressive but could it work. I think about cutting strait down through something, with that butterfly knife you are putting tremendous amounts of pressure on those two rivets, and all that is held together by the small notched piece at the back of the knife. If that slips, somethings going to give.
So, IMO, butterfly knives are poor utility and/or pocket knives. I don't know if you've ever heard of a guy named "nutnfancy" on youtube, but he does a series called "BEST Folding Knives Under $40." He talks and rambles a lot, but makes some good suggestions. http://www.youtube.com/user/nutnfancy#g/c/71D82B6E8A7BD53F. Finally, I often check the ratings on Amazon.com to see what others are saying about the knife.
Good Luck.
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Rule of thumb and from every law enforcement person I know, if its length is less than (not = or greater) the width of your open palm, it is considered a utility/pocket knife. It's a logic thing. Gardners still use macheties, except they're 99% of the time in a sheath in the back of the truck next to a lawn mower, rake, leafe blower, etc.. Chefs still use (and own) lots of pretty big and sharp knifes they take with them to and from work, except these guys 99% of the time have a professional carrying case and look like they're just walking into or out of a professional kitchen. I own and take out of the house with me often a number of knifes larger than my palm (and often concealed in my pockets), but 99% of the time these are on outdoor trips like camping or fishing where I have things to colaborate such things like my tent or fishing pole and tackle box.
Yes but they are rare and a dyeing breed. Primarily the only religious carbon steel blade users I know are chefs or people in a position that they daily use/maintain/sharpen said carbon steel blade. That's because you need to constantly maintain them, keeping them clean, dry/oiled, and know how to keep them sharp. And even chefs are erring away from them for better and newer stainless steels that can hold up an equivalent edge without nearly as much maintenance or care and that can handle daily abuse much better.
IMO, the only type of blade is a carbon steel blade.
I say this as someone that uses one every day (sometimes I skip the weekends :) )
Yes, they rust if neglected, but if you want quality, carbon steel has no substitute. If anyone wants to argue for stainless vs. carbon, try using one of these every morning made from stainless, but don't forget to show me pictures of your face :aok
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/0420000552.jpg)
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IMO, the only type of blade is a carbon steel blade.
I say this as someone that uses one every day (sometimes I skip the weekends :) )
Yes, they rust if neglected, but if you want quality, carbon steel has no substitute. If anyone wants to argue for stainless vs. carbon, try using one of these every morning made from stainless, but don't forget to show me pictures of your face :aok
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff107/tymekeepyr/0420000552.jpg)
Even I like having one large carbon steel knife in the kitchen, you can split hairs or anything else after putting a fresh edge on it, but I have to treat it with over 2x as much care and attention than any other knife. Other than treating it like it's alergic to water/moisture, the only drawback I don't like is having to sharpen it 1-2 times a month (ok, correction, I have two, one that lives in my drawer with an oddly oversized handle and with ~ a 3" long and narrow blade that I use as a fillet and pearing knife when I need a real sharp one, and which originaly started its life in this world as a rather large and heavy 8" kitchen knife), and after doing this for 10-20 years you're likely running out of any blade/metal left to sharpen because you've worn/sharpen it all away. Stainless steel just holds a sharp edge longer, and as a result if you take good care of them they last and keep their shape forever. The carbon steel is my favorite carving knife though, hands down, I can carve meat so thin it's transparent.
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thanks for the help
continuing my search