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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: JOACH1M on March 10, 2011, 10:01:36 PM
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My squadie splash01's father was a m16 gunner in world war two. His dad told stories about him shooting at airplanes. He shot down a fw190, and did many hedge-row "classified" missions. Anyway he say his group was shooting at a ju88 and it's motor caught fire and the plane dove to the ground. He looked in his binoculars looking for the pilot and gunners that he thought bailed out. He said the ju88 fly off into the distance as soon as they moved and the fire went out, so in RL you could dive and possibly get the fire out and fly back? Why not in AH?
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ahh, ive heard of stories like that. halifax II over hamburg i think? enginw caught fire, pilot said HOLD ON, dove 3000 feet and put out the fire. something like that. if it happened in AH, depending on how close i was to the deck, id just bail. wouldnt use it really. btw if its on fire, wouldnt that be oil, therefore unable to be put out with just air?
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Usually it's fuel fires in AH.
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Usually it's fuel fires in AH.
What else would it be in AH or in real life?
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oil :D umm btw, just wondering, do the wing guns have any damage modeling? because i dont think they do :(
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What else would it be in AH or in real life?
An engine fire.
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oil :D umm btw, just wondering, do the wing guns have any damage modeling? because i dont think they do :(
do you ask if your guns can get damaged? if so yes you can have your guns damaged in any airplane in AH
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It's possible to get the fire out in real life. As stated above we have fuel fires in AH which are a lot harder to put out, some aircraft has special systems (don't remember the exact name) to put out the fire in the fuel tanks but they did not always work and far not all planes had them.
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It's possible to get the fire out in real life. As stated above we have fuel fires in AH which are a lot harder to put out, some aircraft has special systems (don't remember the exact name) to put out the fire in the fuel tanks but they did not always work and far not all planes had them.
The only fire fighting systems I'm aware of on WWII aircraft where extinguishers that discharged inside the engine cowling....not going to help a fire at a fuel tank.
The idea of diving to put a fire out is the same as blowing on a match...you're changing the fuel/O2 mixture to a condition to lean to sustain the fire. Of course at first you're also going to accelerate/intensify the fire. :O
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do you ask if your guns can get damaged? if so yes you can have your guns damaged in any airplane in AH
no, im asking like other than the guns not being able to shoot, does anything else happen when you lose a gun? and not any airplane. rv8 :noid
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what else should happen if you get a gun damaged? it can shoot and you still have to carry the weight of the ammo around for it, which also would throw off the balance of the plane somewhat, maybe not noticably but I am sure it would on paper
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what else should happen if you get a gun damaged? it can shoot and you still have to carry the weight of the ammo around for it, which also would throw off the balance of the plane somewhat, maybe not noticably but I am sure it would on paper
I think he wants the gun to malfuction while damage, for ex. The gun while like eplode the round inside possibly hurting other guns or wing parts
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What's happens if the ammo for a gun gets hit? Big boom?
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yeah... or lose half our wing, or a bunch of rouns go flyin off into random places.... in front, behind... into your wingman...
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I think it's a good idea and would add another dimension to the normal chain of events. Burning fuel tanks aside, I think an engine fire should be extinguishable in an extreme dive if that worked for real. Although it's not modelled, the assumption could be made that the crew already shut off the fuel supply, killed the electrics and activated any extinguishing equipment fitted.
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I think it's a good idea and would add another dimension to the normal chain of events. Burning fuel tanks aside, I think an engine fire should be extinguishable in an extreme dive if that worked for real. Although it's not modelled, the assumption could be made that the crew already shut off the fuel supply, killed the electrics and activated any extinguishing equipment fitted.
We would need engine fires then.
wrongway
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Yep, engine fires aren't modeled into the game, only fuel fires... which is why you blow up every time with no hope of survival. :(
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:headscratch:
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/Aces%20High/B29Kill4.jpg)
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/Aces%20High/B29Kill3.jpg)
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yeah... or lose half our wing, or a bunch of rouns go flyin off into random places.... in front, behind... into your wingman...
you stay awake late at night thinking about "it would be kewl if..." stuff don't you?
surface and structural damage is modelled in ah...to a point...if you flew online and paid attention to all the "kewl stuff" already modelled in ah you would see it...bullet holes of varying sizes do appear on the aircraft...you can get half a wing shot off...whether that's due to damage from enemy fire or ammo boxes being hit, you never know because it's not really important...your missing half a wing because bullets of some caliber hit it and you're going to have to take off in a fresh plane as soon as you get in the tower.
i'm not sure how many of the wwii planes have the new structural damage modelling the wwi planes have at this point, but it's coming.
in reality...i know it's an unusual concept...engine fires are generally caused by fuel being ignited in some fashion...not oil...you can shoot tracers into engine oil and it will smoke but not ignite. ammo inside cannisters is not easy to discharge without heat...an instance of the "golden bb" could hit a primer if the angle of impact was right...but a bullet that discharges outside of the chamber of a weapon explodes the casing very much like an aerosol can in fire and the projectile travels a short distance at low velocity...unless it's an explosive round, the worst that would happen is the ammo belt/cannister would be damaged.
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you stay awake late at night thinking about "it would be kewl if..." stuff don't you?
surface and structural damage is modelled in ah...to a point...if you flew online and paid attention to all the "kewl stuff" already modelled in ah you would see it...bullet holes of varying sizes do appear on the aircraft...you can get half a wing shot off...whether that's due to damage from enemy fire or ammo boxes being hit, you never know because it's not really important...your missing half a wing because bullets of some caliber hit it and you're going to have to take off in a fresh plane as soon as you get in the tower.
yeah, but thats just it. i dont have my own computer and i havent got a credit card to pay online with. :o so the most ive ever done is play offline. not even missions., and actually, i have noticed that stuff-- different hole sizes and whatever. i just havent spent any time playing AH since about november, and so havent seenall the new "kewl" stuff.
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:headscratch:
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/Aces%20High/B29Kill4.jpg)
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i253/plague_06/Aces%20High/B29Kill3.jpg)
(http://www.sun-inet.or.jp/~ja2tko/image.b29.museum/b29.fuel%20system1.jpg)
(http://www.sun-inet.or.jp/~ja2tko/image.b29.museum/b29.fuel%20system2.jpg)
wrongway
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I'm not extremely familiar with the anatomy of a B-29 (radial engines yes), but tracing the origin of the flames back in the picture I stole from the screenshots thread, they clearly seem to originate from within the actual engine cowling, escaping through the louvres? I assume the schematic is illustrating fuel pumps there?
I'm not trying to be argumentative but the flames in the screenshot do look like an engine fire, do they not? One can see at least why one might form that impression.
Thank you for the images, interesting.
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yeah, but thats just it. i dont have my own computer and i havent got a credit card to pay online with. :o so the most ive ever done is play offline. not even missions., and actually, i have noticed that stuff-- different hole sizes and whatever. i just havent spent any time playing AH since about november, and so havent seenall the new "kewl" stuff.
all i can say is OMG it figures...
you don't need a credit card to pay online...one of those visa/mastercard debit cards from walmart will work...even a money order by snail mail...ya know, instead of wasting your birthday and christmas money on stuff you're not going to pay attention to in 3 months...save it up and buy yourself a few months of ah online...maybe do some extra chores around the house so your parents will pay for you.
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An engine fire.
I would ask what would be burning in the engine besides mostly fuel but that would be silly.
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I would ask what would be burning in the engine besides mostly fuel but that would be silly.
A witch.
wrongway
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I would ask what would be burning in the engine besides mostly fuel but that would be silly.
this might answer the question...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XykyGqz5Mxs&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XykyGqz5Mxs&feature=related)
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A witch.
wrongway
She turned me into a newt
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My squadie splash01's father was a m16 gunner in world war two. His dad told stories about him shooting at airplanes. He shot down a fw190, and did many hedge-row "classified" missions. Anyway he say his group was shooting at a ju88 and it's motor caught fire and the plane dove to the ground. He looked in his binoculars looking for the pilot and gunners that he thought bailed out. He said the ju88 fly off into the distance as soon as they moved and the fire went out, so in RL you could dive and possibly get the fire out and fly back? Why not in AH?
most american heavy bombers had an official method to putting our engine fire (cutting fuel to the engine, etc)
if i can find the picture manual i'll post it.
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most american heavy bombers had an official method to putting our engine fire (cutting fuel to the engine, etc)
if i can find the picture manual i'll post it.
In AH we don't have this option to cut fuel off from engine, we only could turn it off.
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Kevin Eldridge's Super Corsair blew a motor at Reno, which started a rather scary oil fire. Eldridge bailed out. However, as the Corsair accelerated into a dive, the oil fire blew out... Had Eldridge pushed the nose over he may have extinguished the fire and saved an extremely rare aircraft... However, no one can blame him for getting out as fast as possible. One must play the odds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqPPCCKAFp8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqPPCCKAFp8)
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most american heavy bombers had an official method to putting our engine fire (cutting fuel to the engine, etc)
if i can find the picture manual i'll post it.
Fuel Off.
Throttle wide open (burn the fuel in engine as quickly as possible)
When engine quits secure engine and feather prop.
Close cowl flaps.
Discharge extinguisher.