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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: xtyger on March 18, 2011, 12:05:50 PM
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I'm writing this to petition AH staff for a map to be removed from the rotation- hopefully permanently. I'm not the only one who can't stand the map being used in MidWar right now. There's no name I can find for it. It's the green "vehicle base map" with no water. It as all the vehicle bases right next to each other in between countries.
Sure, I've heard from one or two players over the years that like it. I even read from one guy in the forums that thought it was the best map of all of them, but most of us hate it.
Please remove it permanently. Either replace it with some old map, or just dump it.
I hope others that agree will voice their support here. Thanx.
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That sounds like the "Beta" map (on the road, can't check). If it is, I like that map, as well as all of the others. You just have to find something you like on each. That one has great fights in the canyons over the V bases.
I vote no to this or ANY map removal.
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I'm writing this to petition AH staff for a map to be removed from the rotation- hopefully permanently. I'm not the only one who can't stand the map being used in MidWar right now. There's no name I can find for it. It's the green "vehicle base map" with no water. It as all the vehicle bases right next to each other in between countries.
Sure, I've heard from one or two players over the years that like it. I even read from one guy in the forums that thought it was the best map of all of them, but most of us hate it.
Please remove it permanently. Either replace it with some old map, or just dump it.
I hope others that agree will voice their support here. Thanx.
got anything to prove your "most of us hate it" theory?
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I had to laugh this morning when rooks reset baltic for uterus *facepalm.
If there was ever a map that needed re-designing this is it.
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I had to laugh this morning when rooks reset baltic for uterus *facepalm.
If there was ever a map that needed re-designing this is it.
Uterus is my absolute favorite small map. By far.
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as long as your not the top right or bottom country
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I'm not a fan of that map, but it should not be removed.
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You gents who want the map gone going to provide the time and energy to make another one to replace it?
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as long as your not the top right or bottom country
Bottom position on that map is the most fun by far. I had frequently switched to that country in the past whenever that map was up. Top right is usually the more boring one, as there is a good chance that top left & bottom are preoccupied with each other at A1-19, resulting in a frequent lack of airborne targets.
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Nope. I like that map. The bases are close enough to get to a fight quickly. The canyons make fights interesting. If there aren't any convenient fights, I can pick a fight by flying over a vehicle base or an air base.
You gave no reasons why you don't like it. Convince me I'm wrong.
HONK!
Gooss
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Nope. I like that map. The bases are close enough to get to a fight quickly. The canyons make fights interesting. If there aren't any convenient fights, I can pick a fight by flying over a vehicle base or an air base.
You gave no reasons why you don't like it. Convince me I'm wrong.
HONK!
Gooss
i love the canyon fights to be honest.
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I'm writing this to petition AH staff for a map to be removed from the rotation- hopefully permanently. I'm not the only one who can't stand the map being used in MidWar right now. There's no name I can find for it. It's the green "vehicle base map" with no water. It as all the vehicle bases right next to each other in between countries.
Sure, I've heard from one or two players over the years that like it. I even read from one guy in the forums that thought it was the best map of all of them, but most of us hate it.
Please remove it permanently. Either replace it with some old map, or just dump it.
I hope others that agree will voice their support here. Thanx.
I don't really care for any of the maps that don't provide CV action. CV action, I think, is an integral part of overall game play.
If I had to vote for a map to be sent to the abyss, it would be the UTERUS map ... I hate that map more than any other.
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i love the canyon fights to be honest.
I yearn for the canyon fights in the old AKDesert (Pizza) map.
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I yearn for the canyon fights in the old AKDesert (Pizza) map.
i think i've flown that one.
the maps with the canyons are a little weird sometimes. it seems that sometimes, they promote high alt fights, as guys fly above the tops to get there......and they then bnz ya to death if you're in the canyon. other times, they seem to drop into the canyon, stay there, and then you're trying to dodge their bullets, and the canyon walls.
i can't count the number of times i've flown into a wall whilst looknig back. :rofl :rofl
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-10 Silly request. If ya don't like it don't go there. It is obviously getting used, so some folks "Like" it. :rock
YES! to the canyon maps. The tight surrounds or high dives down in are great fun, long climb up over, not so much. :airplane:
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:rofl......................... ..yeah right just walk in here and ask HTC to remove a map.
aint gunna happen. even if I didnt like the map.
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You gave no reasons why you don't like it. Convince me I'm wrong.
Gooss
I can't convince you you're wrong. All I can say is the map makes quick action difficult. Sure, once you actually get a decent fight going it's as good as any, except for no water. If you like gv fights, which I don't really get off on, the map appeals to a handful.
As far as who doesn't like it, when I bring this up in Midwar, I've only had one guy over the years say he likes the map and one guy who wrote in these forums years ago he thought it was the best one. Most others hate it, but a few, as Ramesis said today, "don't mind it", but he also commented on how long we get stuck with it.
Usually, what seems to happen is the horde types burn through the good maps and are nowhere to be found when we have the crappy ones like this and the two Mesa Maps.
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got anything to prove your "most of us hate it" theory?
:lol i think he meant, of the 15 people who are in there on a regular basis when he is...most will complain when asked.
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I dont mind any of the maps. Except Mundane... er ... Munster... er.. Mundano? That unbalanced POS has no rhyme or reason to anything.
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I dont mind any of the maps. Except Mundane... er ... Munster... er.. Mundano? That unbalanced POS has no rhyme or reason to anything.
I dubbed it "mindaendlesso" way back... along with "infinity" for the trinity map...
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within CAP, when we complain about something, what we're actually doing, is volunteering to fix that of which we complain(i found this out the hard way....)
so here's the deal......if you don't like the map(s), then go download the terrain editor, and make a map to your liking, then submit it to htc for approval.
if you're not going to do this, then be thankful for those guys that do spend their time and effort to make these maps for the rest of us.......
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i like beta2 because its small, and theres no cv's. I like the other no-cv maps too, midmesa and mesaview (not sure if midmesa even still exists?)
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within CAP, when we complain about something, what we're actually doing, is volunteering to fix that of which we complain(i found this out the hard way....)
so here's the deal......if you don't like the map(s), then go download the terrain editor, and make a map to your liking, then submit it to htc for approval.
if you're not going to do this, then be thankful for those guys that do spend their time and effort to make these maps for the rest of us.......
+1 :aok
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solar we got it! :D
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solar we got it! :D
+1 :aok
Damn computers! :lol
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bbs farted again, eh? :bolt:
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No.
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When you are saddled up on a con about to validate your $14.95 does the map you are on matter? Or does the map only matter when you are getting low saddle time while on it?
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When you are saddled up on a con about to validate your $14.95 does the map you are on matter? Or does the map only matter when you are getting low saddle time while on it?
the map only matters to him at the point in time he typed his complaint.
it seems as if there's a few that NEED to complain about SOMETHING. i can name at least 2......but in all obviousness, thefre's more. :devil
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You gents who want the map gone going to provide the time and energy to make another one to replace it?
Isn't that htc's responsibility? :headscratch:
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Isn't that htc's responsibility? :headscratch:
not entirely...that's why the terrain editor exists and why there is a terrain team...as well as individuals submitting terrains...you want maps or planes?
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not entirely...that's why the terrain editor exists and why there is a terrain team...as well as individuals submitting terrains...you want maps or planes?
So you're saying that if there was a plane editor and plane team they would absolve responsibility of making planes too? That's basically what you're saying with this post.
Yes, I understand that it is a resources issue Captain Obvious, but ultimately, it's their responsibility, not the players'.
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I personally love this map....40k mountains in the middle? Yeppers love it
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Isn't that htc's responsibility? :headscratch:
ya know? you keep scratching yerself like that, and yer gonna go bald.......
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would this be a good time to mention that we have awesome maps in the AvA? some that you've never seen unless you've flown there?
:devil :bolt: :banana: :airplane: :joystick:
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would this be a good time to mention that we have awesome maps in the AvA? some that you've never seen unless you've flown there?
AND that you don't have to fly for two hours to get to an enemy base?
- oldman
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AND that you don't have to fly for two hours to get to an enemy base?
- oldman
and that sides are usually somewhat even?
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I had to laugh this morning when rooks reset baltic for uterus *facepalm.
If there was ever a map that needed re-designing this is it.
All the "old" small maps need a redo.
Minindoodoo still needs an island in the SW ocean
The big map with the 20K mountains needs a facelift as well. with more passes to fly through. That map often just stagnates for days
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and that sides are usually somewhat even?
And the maps/setups change weekly?
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and that sides are usually somewhat even?
You mean 0 on both sides? :devil
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You mean 0 on both sides? :devil
:rofl :rofl
believe it or not, when there's only 5 to 20 in there......it's almost constant fighting. :aok
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So you're saying that if there was a plane editor and plane team they would absolve responsibility of making planes too? That's basically what you're saying with this post.
Yes, I understand that it is a resources issue Captain Obvious, but ultimately, it's their responsibility, not the players'.
ya know johnny genius...if you want to pound brass tacks...htc's responsibility's responsibility is fulfilled with a single map, regardless of who likes it. the fact that the company has provided a means for players to create maps is a bonus that isn't necessary.
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ya know johnny genius...if you want to pound brass tacks...htc's responsibility's responsibility is fulfilled with a single map, regardless of who likes it. the fact that the company has provided a means for players to create maps is a bonus that isn't necessary.
Yeah, and I wonder how many customers they would have with a setup like that. Brilliant.
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Isn't that htc's responsibility? :headscratch:
With all the maps about, I kinda figure it's not at this point. As near as I can tell, someone is going to hate the map regardless of which one it is. Since there is a route for players to introduce maps, it would seem a better way to approach it then just 'get rid of it'.
And considering the latest thread with all the stats, ideas and lack therof, I'm hard pressed a 'petition' to remove a map has much validity :)
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Yeah, and I wonder how many customers they would have with a setup like that. Brilliant.
Come on Grizz, you are an old Airwarrior pilot. Did it ever stop you from coming back the next day when it was just one map? The route between B83 and C83 was well worn, but the fights continued and because we didn't even think about the idea of other maps, we seemed quite content with it:)
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Come on Grizz, you are an old Airwarrior pilot. Did it ever stop you from coming back the next day when it was just one map? The route between B83 and C83 was well worn, but the fights continued and because we didn't even think about the idea of other maps, we seemed quite content with it:)
That's true. But in this day in age of internet gaming, and internet ADD, the average gamer needs more now. :aok
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What does a map a good map?
1. landscapes
- not same green background - could we have same maps but with different
terrain background colors and textures and trees?
it is not the geometry of the map that annoying but the same terrain background colors etc.
- not too much canyons but not too few (as in mindanao map) some with navigable rivers that could
bring to fields
- seas with cliff as Dover cliff with boats to sunk
2. strategic targets
- as i said many time in the past, small targets, that could be trooping too, will add to the game the
possibility to break the hordes frequency !!!
these targets could be related with eny or other game's properties
:salute
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So you're saying that if there was a plane editor and plane team they would absolve responsibility of making planes too? That's basically what you're saying with this post.
Yes, I understand that it is a resources issue Captain Obvious, but ultimately, it's their responsibility, not the players'.
I think that if you're going to whine about maps and that HTC has provided tools for you to use, then yes it is your
responsibility to "fix" YOUR problem. They provide maps, if you don't like em, DO something about it.
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within CAP, when we complain about something, what we're actually doing, is volunteering to fix that of which we complain(i found this out the hard way....)
so here's the deal......if you don't like the map(s), then go download the terrain editor, and make a map to your liking, then submit it to htc for approval.
if you're not going to do this, then be thankful for those guys that do spend their time and effort to make these maps for the rest of us.......
just because it bears repeating.
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There was great fights yesterday morning with Bish 24 hitting rook 23, and vice-versa.
The fights are there, it's what you make of it.
<S> Oz
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within CAP, when we complain about something, what we're actually doing, is volunteering to fix that of which we complain(i found this out the hard way....)
so here's the deal......if you don't like the map(s), then go download the terrain editor, and make a map to your liking, then submit it to htc for approval.
if you're not going to do this, then be thankful for those guys that do spend their time and effort to make these maps for the rest of us.......
Geesh ... you just don't get it. He could make 10 maps and have them all accepted by, but that wouldn't change the fact that he thinks that maps sucks and should be taken out of rotation. I think that once a map has been accepted, HTC won't release the source so someone could make changes to a map to make it better.
Personally I agree with him to a point. There are certain maps that are offered that just don't cut it for the MW arena and this is one of them. When that map is up, the fights are far and few between because population numbers drop, fields are too far apart for the population that is usually present in the MW. So, regular MW players log in and see this map (like me) and say ... meh ... let me go see what the LW arenas are offering.
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Geesh ... you just don't get it. He could make 10 maps and have them all accepted by, but that wouldn't change the fact that he thinks that maps sucks and should be taken out of rotation. I think that once a map has been accepted, HTC won't release the source so someone could make changes to a map to make it better.
Personally I agree with him to a point. There are certain maps that are offered that just don't cut it for the MW arena and this is one of them. When that map is up, the fights are far and few between because population numbers drop, fields are too far apart for the population that is usually present in the MW. So, regular MW players log in and see this map (like me) and say ... meh ... let me go see what the LW arenas are offering.
iunderstand exactly what he's saying. i think you don't understand what i was saying........so i'll simplify it.
if you're going to complain, offer a solution.......don't just complain.
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iunderstand exactly what he's saying. i think you don't understand what i was saying........so i'll simplify it.
if you're going to complain, offer a solution.......don't just complain.
Exactly ... His solution to the problem was "get rid of the map", but you seemed to have missed that, and inserted what you think his solution should be.
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Exactly ... His solution to the problem was "get rid of the map", but you seemed to have missed that, and inserted what you think his solution should be.
didn't miss it. if you also caught my first response to him, i asked for proof that "most people" don't like that map. that proof has not been provided.
there will be someone that will complain about any of the maps in rotation. there always is. that is why i put up what i did. you've been around longer than i, and you know full well that there are people that work their tulips off to give us decent maps. hence, rather than just complaining, design a map that he likes, and thinks everyone else will like, and submit it as a possible solution to maps he doesbn't like.
that's all i'm saying.
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rather than just complaining, design a map that he likes, and thinks everyone else will like, and submit it as a possible solution to maps he doesbn't like.
that's all i'm saying.
Tell me ... how in hells bells is him creating a map gonna solve what he perceives as a problem. Now, if HT were to agree that if he created a map that would REPLACE the map that he hates, then I can see your point, but I don't think that HT would go for it.
Maps should be rotated in a specific arena(s) for what the arena has to offer as far a population. MW's population, IMHO, does not support the use of that particular map for reasons stated. The solution ... look at the maps and see what maps best support the arena and it's users and then determine the maps that will be rotated in that arena. For all I know, HTC is already doing this ... so take that stupid map out of the MW rotation.
As I stated before, I hate that map for MW and from what I can see from the last couple of days that it has been up, the total population that usually is in the MW has dropped considerably since that map came up. To me, that tells me that there are a fair amount of people who also don't care to fly on that map in the MW and they either go elsewhere or just log off.
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Tell me ... how in hells bells is him creating a map gonna solve what he perceives as a problem. Now, if HT were to agree that if he created a map that would REPLACE the map that he hates, then I can see your point, but I don't think that HT would go for it.
you just never know what could happen...as of right now without another map for htc to consider and the low number of main arena maps available...the will most definitely be no, the map will not get removed.
personally, it would probably be better suited for lw blue/orange since there are complaints about suitable gv action maps in the lw arenas...and those complaining won't consider going to the mw arena.
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There are really only two maps with a short GV spawn and I have not saw ether one in months. I got bore with the same maps and have not been on as of late. I used to play 4 or 5 hrs a day 4 or 5 days a week. I am even considering dropping my account for the first time in five years. However I will wait to see what changes are coming along first.
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I COUNT 23 maps made by someone other than htc's staff. just sayin.......
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I COUNT 23 maps made by someone other than htc's staff. just sayin.......
Htc has been incredibly fortunate that players have stepped up to make maps. They have been able to shift the responsibility to the players quite brilliantly actually and then have their bbs ankle humpers reinforce this policy. Quite genius and I commend them for getting others to do their work for free. :)
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I COUNT 23 maps made by someone other than htc's staff. just sayin.......
Wow ... what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? ... have you been working in a closed non-ventilated garage with the motor running ? ;)
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I yearn for the canyon fights in the old AKDesert (Pizza) map.
Same here. Whatever else is good or bad about that map, those were really fun. The outer ring of vehicle territory with only occasional CV air support was fun too.
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There are really only two maps with a short GV spawn and I have not saw ether one in months. I got bore with the same maps and have not been on as of late. I used to play 4 or 5 hrs a day 4 or 5 days a week. I am even considering dropping my account for the first time in five years. However I will wait to see what changes are coming along first.
for the gv guys...this is a valid concern.
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Same here. Whatever else is good or bad about that map, those were really fun. The outer ring of vehicle territory with only occasional CV air support was fun too.
Yup ... those looooong range GV fights on the desert sand were great.
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Wow ... what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? ... have you been working in a closed non-ventilated garage with the motor running ? ;)
to answer your 2nd question first...no.....but cars run clean enough, that one could for very short periods of time.
my point was/is that htc apparently does approve player built maps. which brings us back to.....if he doesn't like the map that's up, then fix the problem. design one he does like. ...almost forgot....someone could go win the war, and get it rotated off...... :devil
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Yup ... those looooong range GV fights on the desert sand were great.
Watching that round silently fly forever into the distance and then that hitsprite flash and black smoke over a tiny black dot is the cat's ass. Watching em turn around and crawl away trailing smoke too.
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That's true. But in this day in age of internet gaming, and internet ADD, the average gamer needs more now. :aok
The average gamer these days is still the same average gamer they were 20 years ago. The differences are we have been catered to more than anyone else as a gamer group et al and it shows because every average gamer from time immemorial is a whiny, brat about something or another. The main difference is that it costs less these days than it did way back then.
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I've been reading all the threads about what people like/hate about maps. I've started working on a medium-size ("small" for LW arena) map that hopefully will fill many of the wishes for the majority of players. It will have CV action, a nice place for GV-only action, mountains, canyons, a layout that I hope will promote good fights (air and ground) spread out across all three fronts, and look good enough to just go flying around in. :cheers:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,305321.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,305321.0.html)
I'm not doing it because I hate all the maps and complain about those that I don't care for much. I'm doing it because it interests me, and I want to give back to the community (HTC and the players) that have given me so much fun these last few years since I discovered the game.
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What he said!!!
You gents who want the map gone going to provide the time and energy to make another one to replace it?
There are so many restrictions in place for MA maps, and the time it takes to create one can be awe striking. Some may be better than others, but until we get some news one, we should have a nice well rounded rotation, full of good, and bad!
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So you're saying that if there was a plane editor and plane team they would absolve responsibility of making planes too? That's basically what you're saying with this post.
Yes, I understand that it is a resources issue Captain Obvious, but ultimately, it's their responsibility, not the players'.
There is a skin editor yet only one default skin per plane...
:noid
wrongway
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There is a skin editor yet only one default skin per plane...
:noid
wrongway
de·fault /dɪˈfɔlt/
[dih-fawlt]
–noun
6. Computers . a value that a program or operating system assumes, or a course of action that a program or operating system will take, when the user or programmer specifies no overriding value or action.
Default, by its very definition, means there can be only one. :D
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de·fault /dɪˈfɔlt/
[dih-fawlt]
–noun
6. Computers . a value that a program or operating system assumes, or a course of action that a program or operating system will take, when the user or programmer specifies no overriding value or action.
Default, by its very definition, means there can be only one. :D
correction sir...by definition default means without any user intervention to change it...not that it is the only choice available.
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correction sir...by definition default means without any user intervention to change it...not that it is the only choice available.
Right...only ONE DEFAULT (as you stated and I quoted). Of course you can have many different choices, if choices are given. I was merely pointing out that stating there is only one default skin is a bit redundant. ;)
Look at your quote:
There is a skin editor yet only one default skin per plane...
:D :cheers:
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:lol ...ok...i missed the redundancy part...sorry...i'll put my clown suit back on and wander around elsewhere...
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Sorry dude...it's late and I'm feeling a bit pedantic at the moment. :D
Besides, this wish thread deserved to be derailed a little more. :lol
:salute
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I yearn for the canyon fights in the old AKDesert (Pizza) map.
YES YES YES YES....best map ever :salute
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Watching that round silently fly forever into the distance and then that hitsprite flash and black smoke over a tiny black dot is the cat's ass. Watching em turn around and crawl away trailing smoke too.
As much as i didn't care for the Pizza map, it was the one map I did enjoy playing GVs on for that exact reason...