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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: pembquist on March 26, 2011, 09:33:18 PM
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chandelle, loop, hammermush? I could use some advice in preserving momentum for my second pass. TY
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chandelle, loop, hammermush? I could use some advice in preserving momentum for my second pass. TY
A pitchback is like a chandelle but you don't get as slow at the top.
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Agreed. This link explains it (and some others) pretty well.
http://www.352ndfightergroup.com/virtual/protac/acm/maneuver.html
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I find that if I shoot off the V stab, or the entire tail, they turn around really quickly. Good pilots can make them spin on a dime in that condition. I'm not sure what the maneuver is called. HammeredTail I think.
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Its called the "ahhhhhghghhgghhghghg Mo@#$%$%^$%%" turn.
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chandelle isnt a pure reverse as its designed to gain alt in the turn.
loop will put you back roughly on the same vector you started with but with less E.
hammermush? hammerhead will end up with you alot higher and pointing straight down, and not easy in a typh due to the very squirrely low speed handling, although iirc the rudder works pretty well.
you want to yo-yo. high or low depends on your starting speed. if you're fast (ie. above turn speed) do a high yo-yo, if you're slow (below turn speed) do a low yo-yo. and fly them coordinated to preserve E. :aok
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Low pressure system should do the trick.
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Low pressure system should do the trick.
You know, I was waiting for someone to say somesuch.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Groc6jWDJyQ <<<<<<Pitchback manuver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQRn7aqFaLQ&feature=related <<<<Chandelles
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Thanks for the links, I misremembered the chandelle as a same alt reciprocal heading maneuver for some reason. In the pitchback or high yoyo how slow should one get before using the elevator at the top, do you try to milk the altitude gain and go for a minimum g minimum radius 'turn'? (I'm speaking in the context of no enme planes just reversing direction while preserving maximum e.) I'm a little uncertain if I should be near stalling at the top or not. It seems like this is how I reverse now but I don't feel like it if very clean or efficient. The hammermush never seems to work, the plane doesn't want to rotate in yaw at next to zero airspeed.
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The details of the reversal depend on what the bandit is doing. You're basically doing a half loop in any case, it's mostly a difference in your plane of maneuver and how hard you need to pull.
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In the pitchback or high yoyo how slow should one get before using the elevator at the top, do you try to milk the altitude gain and go for a minimum g minimum radius 'turn'? (I'm speaking in the context of no enme planes just reversing direction while preserving maximum e.) I'm a little uncertain if I should be near stalling at the top or not. It seems like this is how I reverse now but I don't feel like it if very clean or efficient.
definitely not near stall speed. the idea of the yo-yo is to swap speed and altitude to get your plane close to turn speed (270ish for a typie?), ie. the speed that the plane turns at the highest rate. normally you will start well above turn speed, so you want to make the turn uphill. at the highest point, 90deg round the turn you want to be ~270mph and banked ~90deg. it should be a progressive transition from fast and wings level to turn speed and 90deg bank, then smoothly back to level and fast again.
practise it a few times, when you get it nailed the reverse will be quick and smooth - it will feel like the plane is on rails :aok