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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: lulu on March 31, 2011, 10:17:08 AM
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I wish that if a player is firing then he cannot use zoom function.
:salute
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No thanks.
Small screen, small target, would like to retain my ability to see.
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Nope.
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HTC has said that the level of detail you see at MAX ZOOM is comparable to the level of detail you can roughly see normally (without any zoom whatsoever). The zoom in-game is actually more limiting because it narrows your field of view significantly and you cannot track moving targets nearly as easily.
Also, reducing HOs is as easy as avoiding them, manuvering around them, or any other number of things. I don't agree with the "it takes 2" comment you find often on this forum, but I do believe you can seriously ruin somebody ELSE's HO with a basice manuver or two.
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Zooming in while firing actually inhibits your aiming ability. :salute
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I wish that if a player is firing then he cannot use zoom function.
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So what heppened, Lulu? Did some hobag/hotard/hodawg/hohandler/howiener/hopodknuckler/motivated HOlawnMOwer take a foamy one in your cornflakes?
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Zooming in while firing actually inhibits your aiming ability. :salute
I set my zoom to about +20% during preflight. I dont like too much telescopocity (new word alert) but when I get runners I like to snipe em out to about 1k and a 20% zoom is about right for me. I never use zoom for HOs, they happen too fast and I get discombobulated too easily.
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Do a barrel roll, works every time :aok
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What the heck does zoom have to do with being HOed? ... :headscratch:
How will it stop the HO? ... :headscratch:
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HO's can be annoying, but you can dive out of the way to avoid them.
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Another thing ... most wouldn't know a HO if it ran them over. There are way too many people who piss and moan about a HO when they expose their front quarter at the merge and take a deflection shot.
If your merging with me, you had better not expose that front quarter shot. I will hit hard rudder and rake you from stem to stern as you pass by. If you think that is a HO ... meh.
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No
Zoom will not stop HOs
The detail you get to see in real life is far greater than maximum zoom here. Also with zoom you have extremely limited field of view.
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Another thing ... most wouldn't know a HO if it ran them over. There are way too many people who piss and moan about a HO when they expose their front quarter at the merge and take a deflection shot.
If your merging with me, you had better not expose that front quarter shot. I will hit hard rudder and rake you from stem to stern as you pass by. If you think that is a HO ... meh.
As far as I'm concerned a HO when the guns of both aircraft are pointed at each other and at least one is firing. If one of the planes does not have a shoot on the other it is not a head on shoot.
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Zooming in while firing actually inhibits your aiming ability. :salute
How?
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What the heck does zoom have to do with being HOed? ... :headscratch:
How will it stop the HO? ... :headscratch:
lulu hit his head going to the bathroom in the middle of the night... :lol
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As far as I'm concerned a HO when the guns of both aircraft are pointed at each other and at least one is firing. If one of the planes does not have a shoot on the other it is not a head on shoot.
Exactly ... but there are many many people who don't subscribe to that and yell and scream HO on a front quarter deflection shot. If everybody truly understood that both have to have a guns solution at the same time, maybe the HO whining would not be quite as popular as it now.
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lulu hit his head going to the bathroom in the middle of the night... :lol
That explains that ... :rofl (I did read that post)
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As far as I'm concerned a HO when the guns of both aircraft are pointed at each other and at least one is firing. If one of the planes does not have a shoot on the other it is not a head on shoot.
Nice to see that you and Slapshot agree with my own definition of a HO. :aok
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HTC has said that the level of detail you see at MAX ZOOM is comparable to the level of detail you can roughly see normally (without any zoom whatsoever). The zoom in-game is actually more limiting because it narrows your field of view significantly and you cannot track moving targets nearly as easily.
Also, reducing HOs is as easy as avoiding them, manuvering around them, or any other number of things. I don't agree with the "it takes 2" comment you find often on this forum, but I do believe you can seriously ruin somebody ELSE's HO with a basice manuver or two.
This :aok
Another thing ... most wouldn't know a HO if it ran them over. There are way too many people who piss and moan about a HO when they expose their front quarter at the merge and take a deflection shot.
If your merging with me, you had better not expose that front quarter shot. I will hit hard rudder and rake you from stem to stern as you pass by. If you think that is a HO ... meh.
and this, especially in the MA, maybe not in DA.
As far as I'm concerned a HO when the guns of both aircraft are pointed at each other and at least one is firing. If one of the planes does not have a shoot on the other it is not a head on shoot.
not this.....HO takes two is wrong....."Head on" singular...Think about this, you see a con he has a 2000 k advantage on you...he starts to dive on you break into him, but dont go nose on, he just flies straight at you firing, once he passes he gos up until he cant go up anymore, then he does the same exact thing.....he is not maneuvering to avoid your guns, and just because you maneuver to avoid his HO shot does not negate the fact that he is a HO tard :aok
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Probably not HO only ...
A p38 turn back on me, same alt ...
I knew he wanted to get my spitty's wing or ho me. So before it was too late i put zoom on and
i start to aim 1.5k distance. I saw him start to fire but i was more lucky. So I had a confirmation:
some players use to play with zoom on all at maximum.
In general to understand better what i means, let try to fight with zoom on all at maximum.
If your joystick plays smooth, you are very dangerous.
I don't do this because I'm to lazy to set my joystick and because i like to see the panorama.
So my wish. If you fire, no zoom work else it works as usual.
If this can ruin the fun for somebody then by my self i vote -100, but don't tell me that
this play style is not as gaming the game.
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not this.....HO takes two is wrong....."Head on" singular...Think about this, you see a con he has a 2000 k advantage on you...he starts to dive on you break into him, but dont go nose on, he just flies straight at you firing, once he passes he gos up until he cant go up anymore, then he does the same exact thing.....he is not maneuvering to avoid your guns, and just because you maneuver to avoid his HO shot does not negate the fact that he is a HO tard :aok
I disagree Ink ... as fruitless and lame as this type of attack may seem to you, the "HO tard" is simply trying to land an extremely low percentage under the nose deflection shot, unless you have nosed up and you too have a guns solution on him at the same time ... not a HO in my book.
It does take two to enter into a "HO situation" ... it only takes one to make it a HO and that is the guy that fired first.
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but don't tell me that
this play style is not as gaming the game.
OK ... it is not gaming the game.
I love nothing more than see some guy start firing at me from 1.5K out ... another pelt on the wall.
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I disagree Ink ... as fruitless and lame as this type of attack may seem to you, the "HO tard" is simply trying to land an extremely low percentage under the nose deflection shot, unless you have nosed up and you too have a guns solution on him at the same time ... not a HO in my book.
It does take two to enter into a "HO situation" ... it only takes one to make it a HO and that is the guy that fired first.
as far as that "situation" goes it was just a "for instance".....in any "situation" any time someone comes in firing,and does not maneuver to avoid your guns its a HO..the important part is "does not avoid YOUR guns" but comes in blazing away it is a "HO" I used to think it took two to "HO" but it certainly does not. I highlighted your words to show you, you yourself agree with me
he comes in guns blazing with no maneuvering to avoid your guns HE is making a Head on pass...hence he is HOing you.
when I fight 99% of the time I am maneuvering to get a shot while denying a shot on me, thus avoiding HO attempts against me, now because I am avoiding the HO attempts the the nme is making, it does not render His HO attempts any less then what it is, A HEAD ON pass.
it seems very clear to me..... :headscratch:
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Well....the opponent's guns do face forward.......
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Well....the opponent's guns do face forward.......
where the "right over the head smiley"?
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not this.....HO takes two is wrong....."Head on" singular...Think about this, you see a con he has a 2000 k advantage on you...he starts to dive on you break into him, but dont go nose on, he just flies straight at you firing, once he passes he gos up until he cant go up anymore, then he does the same exact thing.....he is not maneuvering to avoid your guns, and just because you maneuver to avoid his HO shot does not negate the fact that he is a HO tard :aok
Guns on the fighters point forward, if the guns are not pointed at both aircraft than the airplanes are not going head on, therefore it's not a HO.
If I dive on someone and they pull up and stall out they are not pointed their guns at me, therefore it's perfectly safe to fire. Give me a single reason why I would not fire.
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Guns on the fighters point forward, if the guns are not pointed at both aircraft than the airplanes are not going head on, therefore it's not a HO.
If I dive on someone and they pull up and stall out they are not pointed their guns at me, therefore it's perfectly safe to fire. Give me a single reason why I would not fire.
take the shot, absolutely :aok if you dragged them up and they roped out, well then they are yours to kill :x
you gotta see what im talking about though, I personalty don't care how any one flies they can HO all they want, while they are HOing me im setting up the kill shot :D
HOing is good in some for instance...110 vs Zero....match ups like that, I would expect the guy with the huge guns to HO, and certainly would not think him less if I was in Zero :aok
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take the shot, absolutely :aok if you dragged them up and they roped out, well then they are yours to kill :x
you gotta see what im talking about though, I personalty don't care how any one flies they can HO all they want, while they are HOing me im setting up the kill shot :D
HOing is good in some for instance...110 vs Zero....match ups like that, I would expect the guy with the huge guns to HO, and certainly would not think him less if I was in Zero :aok
Agreed
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HO's can be annoying, but you can dive out of the way to avoid them.
Badboy writes this very thing. I went around last night looking for a HO-Moe - couldn't find one. In any case, I usually try for, per Shaw, separation. The dumb thing I was doing was heading into an Immie right away to reverse. Badboy says something about that, too.
I'm going through BadBoy's stuff lately. He's got much useful to say. The really fun thing about this is where it takes me. I've been flying AH now since '09. I don't get a whole lot of time for it during the week but might get 4-6 hours for it on weekends. At times, I think I've learned all I can and that I can never be one of the monsters of the game. Then I realize I still have a lot more to learn.
Consider, for example, the energy-maneuverability diagrams. I'd seen those back in college, figured I knew 'em. Then, yesterday, it dawned on me what my 109's little lateral g gage might be for...
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HOing is good in some for instance...110 vs Zero....match ups like that, I would expect the guy with the huge guns to HO, and certainly would not think him less if I was in Zero :aok
Exactly. Each pilot should use the strong points of his crate while considering the weak points of the other guy's crate. It's called realistic strategy and is not gaming the game.
The turn and burn guys in their Brewsters are not chastised for using their crate's strengths (tight turning and ability to absorb hits) against a crate that doesn't turn as well or take hits as well.
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Exactly. Each pilot should use the strong points of his crate while considering the weak points of the other guy's crate. It's called realistic strategy and is not gaming the game.
The turn and burn guys in their Brewsters are not chastised for using their crate's strengths (tight turning and ability to absorb hits) against a crate that doesn't turn as well or take hits as well.
Those who so cavalierly go HO when they are in massive cannon planes would most likely think twice if they encountered the same scenario in real life.
HOing people in this game is easy because there are no consequences (loss of life). If there were, you would see the amount of incidences drop drastically.
Yes HOing happened in WWII but the circumstances when the HOing occurred was under much different circumstances than what we normally see in this game.
Yes P-40s HOed Japanese planes but the reason they did was the .50 cals in the P-40 had much more far reaching effects/damage at distance than any Japanese guns that they would encounter. So they fired HO from looooong distance ... I doubt strongly that the went HO at 200 yrds.
Yes the Germans HOed bombers ... much safer than HOing P-47s or P-51s ... again, I doubt strongly that they would go for the HO on every pass and within 200 yrds or more of an American fighter unless it was a last ditch effort.
Such is not the case in this game.
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Yes the Germans HOed bombers ... much safer than HOing P-47s or P-51s ... again, I doubt strongly that they would go for the HO on every pass and within 200 yrds or more of an American fighter unless it was a last ditch effort.
Such is not the case in this game.
It's interesting you mention this because, before the 17G, the best approach WAS the HO. Saburo Sakae notes as much in his book. That's why that twin-fitty got fitted at the chin position.
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Those who so cavalierly go HO when they are in massive cannon planes would most likely think twice if they encountered the same scenario in real life.
Who said anything about "so cavalierly" ? I was talking about careful strategy.
Besides, trying to head-on shoot a skilled flyer is either difficult or impossible.
HOing people in this game is easy because there are no consequences (loss of life). If there were, you would see the amount of incidences drop drastically.
Could say the same thing about sloppy flying, poor tactics, poor SA, and so on...
Perhaps we could have electrodes taped to our temples that are driven by AH and one's computer. Every hit one takes would result in an unpleasant but non-harmful shock. Anything that resulted in the death of the pilot would deliver a much higher voltage shock, again, no permanent damage to the player. Perhaps this immediate and real feedback would achieve your goal?
Yes P-40s HOed Japanese planes but the reason they did was the .50 cals in the P-40 had much more far reaching effects/damage at distance than any Japanese guns that they would encounter. So they fired HO from looooong distance ...
Yes. Thanks for making my point. One's *strategy* is to a degree dependent upon the crates' characteristics in the fight.
Yes the Germans HOed bombers ... much safer than HOing P-47s or P-51s ... again, I doubt strongly that they would go for the HO on every pass
Who said every pass?. Not I. The head-on shot takes careful tactical consideration.
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Anybody who thinks head ons didn't happen (more often than not during WWII) is not very well read.
BELIEVE THAT.
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Perhaps we could have electrodes taped to our temples that are driven by AH and one's computer. Every hit one takes would result in an unpleasant but non-harmful shock. Anything that resulted in the death of the pilot would deliver a much higher voltage shock, again, no permanent damage to the player. Perhaps this immediate and real feedback would achieve your goal?
Actually, this concept is not as absurd as it may seem, nor an April 1 joke.
I remember some 15+ years ago when my 2 sons were young. We had a set of paintball-like guns except instead of firing paintballs infrared light was emitted directionally from the gun. Each player also wore a headband with an IR receiver to register hits. When hit, there was a single small hard plastic dowel that would vibrate vigorously against one's temple. The sensation was not at all pleasant. It was a bit satisfying to hear the "Owww" coming from the guy that you successfully "shot". Hey. Perhaps here is another hardware marketing opportunity for someone. It's already been done and the cost of the hardware could not be more than $10 (based on my recollection of the cost of the Survivor Shot guns and headgear). The software is of course free.
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Who said anything about "so cavalierly" ? I was talking about careful strategy.
Besides, trying to head-on shoot a skilled flyer is either difficult or impossible.
Could say the same thing about sloppy flying, poor tactics, poor SA, and so on...
Perhaps we could have electrodes taped to our temples that are driven by AH and one's computer. Every hit one takes would result in an unpleasant but non-harmful shock. Anything that resulted in the death of the pilot would deliver a much higher voltage shock, again, no permanent damage to the player. Perhaps this immediate and real feedback would achieve your goal?
Yes. Thanks for making my point. One's *strategy* is to a degree dependent upon the crates' characteristics in the fight.
Who said every pass?. Not I. The head-on shot takes careful tactical consideration.
My point was that the HO tactics used in WWII, and when they used them are way different and not as frequent as we see them in this game and that is due to the lack of real consequences for going HO.
I use the HO on occasion ... example: 3 v 1 ... I will HO anyone that points their nose at me in that situation. Chances are I am most likely going to get killed and if I can get lucky and take one out ASAP and trim the odds ... I'll go for, but I don't go running all over the place trying to HO anything and everything in my path because I really don't like 50/50 odds when approaching a fight. That is not the case for a whole lot of people who play this game.
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I use the HO on occasion ... example: 3 v 1 ... I will HO anyone that points their nose at me in that situation. Chances are I am most likely going to get killed and if I can get lucky and take one out ASAP and trim the odds
Thanks again for pointing out the head-on as a valid tactic depending on the situation such as when hopelessly outnumbered. Though I would still try to escape alive if at all possible.
I'll go for, but I don't go running all over the place trying to HO anything and everything in my path because I really don't like 50/50 odds when approaching a fight.
I totally agree with you!
That is not the case for a whole lot of people who play this game.
In any game I've ever played, be it real life basketball, real life sailboat racing, online flight sims, whatever, ... there are always those that use questionable practice to try to gain advantage. It's a fact of any competitive sport or game.
The thing I find irritating: In the Dueling Arena there are often the one or two that camp out over another base and try to gun down any craft trying to take off or land. But again, it is an issue that we have learned to deal with.
Bottom line for me. If someone wants to try to take a head-on shot at me I have absolutely no issue with that. He may be making the correct tactical decision based on what he and I are flying and the number enemy craft in the area etc. If I am in control of my craft and have proper SA he isn't going to be able to touch me and he will be wasting ammo. In a furball of course anything goes because everything happens so fast. But I digress...
Don't let the head-on shot issue raise your blood pressure. It isn't worth it.
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Thanks again for pointing out the head-on as a valid tactic depending on the situation such as when hopelessly outnumbered. Though I would still try to escape alive if at all possible.
I totally agree with you!
In any game I've ever played, be it real life basketball, real life sailboat racing, online flight sims, whatever, ... there are always those that use questionable practice to try to gain advantage. It's fact of any competitive sport or game.
The thing I find irritating: In the Dueling Arena there are often the one or two that camp out over another base and try to gun down any craft trying to take off or land. But again, it is an issue that we have learned to deal with.
Bottom line for me. If someone wants to try to take a head-on shot at me I have absolutely no issue with that. He may be making the correct tactical decision based on what he and I are flying and the number enemy craft in the area etc. If I am in control of my craft and have proper SA he isn't going to be able to touch me and he will be wasting ammo. In a furball of course anything goes because everything happens so fast. But I digress...
Don't let the head-on shot issue raise your blood pressure. It isn't worth it.
I never said that it wasn't a valid tactic ... just that the frequency of the attempts that we see in this game is ridiculous.
I can't remember the last time I died to someone's gun who was attempting to HO me. I know all too well how to avoid them and turn them into my advantage, so my blood pressure is never a consideration.
As a matter of fact, over the 9 years I have played this game, I have never lost my temper, thrown things around the house, yelled at my wife, kicked the dog, or PMed anyone because of this game or anything that has transpired in this game. That is probably why I have lasted so long.
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My dad's gun kill of a mig 17 was a HO....after being bounced and working his way out of the jam he was in.
He's free to give the "buzz aldrin reporter treatment" to any that question his actions.
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There is no "zoom", there is merely "reduce field of view to give closer to 1:1 game:real life scale. When you "zoom out" you are reducing the scale and the detail below reality and making it harder to see details you could in reality.
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The thing I find irritating: In the Dueling Arena there are often the one or two that camp out over another base and try to gun down any craft trying to take off or land. But again, it is an issue that we have learned to deal with.
Why would that be irritating? Perhaps because it's called the "Dueling Arena" instead of the "Vulching Arena"..?
I'm just guessing.
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Sounds like a few folks been drinking the AvA koolaid -- I mean propoganda -- too heavily.
Slapshot: HOs were quite common even on P-51s and P-47s. You can look online and even find LW guncam footage of this.
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Sounds like a few folks been drinking the AvA koolaid -- I mean propoganda -- too heavily.
Slapshot: HOs were quite common even on P-51s and P-47s. You can look online and even find LW guncam footage of this.
Please provide some links that show this.
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Well we had the nuke in the war, let's get a few of those. POW camps, they had those. If you bail over enemy territory you spend the next 2 weeks as a POW, won't that be fun.
HO's do nothing but kills fights. What a wonderful way to play a combat game, one with out fights.
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HO's do nothing but kills fights. What a wonderful way to play a combat game, one with out fights.
Hard to see how it kills a fight if they miss. Must be some pretty serious HOJO.
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I don't understand all the complaining. I like HOs.
Bring back WARBEAST'S KILL KLUB.
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we already have that feature to reduce ho's
1. point your plane in any direction other than right at your opponents nose.
2. see #1 :aok