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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: mausil on April 08, 2011, 08:31:26 AM
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for the rest of this tour Im going fly Japonese Fighters
any hint/sugestion about any of them ki84 61 zeke etc? :airplane:
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for the rest of this tour Im going fly Japonese Fighters
any hint/sugestion about any of them ki84 61 zeke etc? :airplane:
the 84 is the best of the bunch :aok
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Ki84 can be a monster if you fly it to its strengths. But if you are one of those folks who likes to come in above the fight and pick, then I would suggest that you might like the Ki61 or N1K better. The Ki84 doesn't like to dive all that much.
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The dive is great.
It's just really hard to pull OUT of the dive without any control surfaces.
:noid
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Ki84 can be a monster if you fly it to its strengths. But if you are one of those folks who likes to come in above the fight and pick, then I would suggest that you might like the Ki61 or N1K better. The Ki84 doesn't like to dive all that much.
:headscratch:
thing dives just fine....that's like saying the 38 don't like diving, just gotta control your speed is all :salute
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:headscratch:
thing dives just fine....that's like saying the 38 don't like diving, just gotta control your speed is all :salute
Guess I could have worded it better to be more clear. I agree.
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Guess I could have worded it better to be more clear. I agree.
what we could say is this
if your a HO dweeb take N1K
if your a BnZ dweeb take the 61
if your a turn and burn dweeb take ether A6m's
if you are a Fighting dweeb take the 84
:D
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I don't see why you say the Ki61 is good for BnZ... It does lock up at speeds. While it can dive faster than an A6M, I doubt dive speeds are any better than the N1K2. The firepower, the ability to zoom, turn, climb, are all greatly diminished compared to both Ki-84 and N1K2.
It CAN bounce other planes. It just can't do it as well as some others.
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I don't see why you say the Ki61 is good for BnZ... It does lock up at speeds. While it can dive faster than an A6M, I doubt dive speeds are any better than the N1K2. The firepower, the ability to zoom, turn, climb, are all greatly diminished compared to both Ki-84 and N1K2.
It CAN bounce other planes. It just can't do it as well as some others.
I was being a bit facetious :P
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The dive is great.
It's just really hard to pull OUT of the dive without any control surfaces.
:noid
Last w/e was a Ki practice for me - and I noticed the frailty in pullout and of the control surfaces. A quick read says the control surfaces were fabric-covered, and doubtless quite susceptible. I give Dale " The Man" and his fun-loving and highly skilled lackeys big ups for apparent correct modeling of that frailty.
I note, however, that, at least in Wiki, armament is cited to potentially include a 2x20mm/2x30mm combination. We don't have that, if I recall my hangar loadout options correctly...
B29s would have good reason to fear such a combination.
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Last w/e was a Ki practice for me - and I noticed the frailty in pullout and of the control surfaces. A quick read says the control surfaces were fabric-covered, and doubtless quite susceptible. I give Dale " The Man" and his fun-loving and highly skilled lackeys big ups for apparent correct modeling of that frailty.
I note, however, that, at least in Wiki, armament is cited to potentially include a 2x20mm/2x30mm combination. We don't have that, if I recall my hangar loadout options correctly...
B29s would have good reason to fear such a combination.
oh man can you imagine two 30 mm on a KI-84 :O
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oh man can you imagine two 30 mm on a KI-84 :O
Looks like it was only available on the Ic - and probably never saw squad strength service. Chalk another one up for Dale and his Intrepid lackeys ( and I mean it in the best possible way so :rock awn ).
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Looks like it was only available on the Ic - and probably never saw squad strength service. Chalk another one up for Dale and his Intrepid lackeys ( and I mean it in the best possible way so :rock awn ).
hell who im I kidding...id have to roll up on them, on the runway get a foot behind them and then just maybe id hit em :cry
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I was being a bit facetious :P
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Last w/e was a Ki practice for me - and I noticed the frailty in pullout and of the control surfaces. A quick read says the control surfaces were fabric-covered, and doubtless quite susceptible. I give Dale " The Man" and his fun-loving and highly skilled lackeys big ups for apparent correct modeling of that frailty.
I note, however, that, at least in Wiki, armament is cited to potentially include a 2x20mm/2x30mm combination. We don't have that, if I recall my hangar loadout options correctly...
B29s would have good reason to fear such a combination.
The majority of planes in WW2 had fabric covered controls. Even late war ones with high-speed performance. None of them magically broke off at 450mph because of this. It's one thing to model locking up of controls (ineffectiveness) but to have them all spontaneously rip off? It's not historically shown to have happened on the Ki nor is it realistic IMO. I'd much rather have stiff/ineffective controls that are still there, than to lose them entirely.
EDIT: The 4x20mm loadout would be much more likely to make it in game, if you can find any evidence it saw combat. A couple hundred made but where they went and what they were used for is in doubt.
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I broke a wing on pullout and had my control surfaces shot off a number of times. I do recall losing a ki rudder at about 450 once - but not ailerons or elevators.
And yes, many did have fabric surfaces yet the ki's do seem more frail. I cannot find anything in search that addresses this frailty, though engine and langing gear strut failures are noted as some of the a/c's historical difficulties - both of which appear to be either design or mfg. quality issues and so should not be picked up in the fm at all.
I'm wondering, at this point, about the cs mounting structure or perhaps t/c as a possible cause of the frailty. Perhaps one of the COADERS might answer..? I really don't know how AH models structural limits - but I'm painfully aware they exist in-game, as any high-g pullout in a Spit XIV can verify.
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hell who im I kidding...id have to roll up on them, on the runway get a foot behind them and then just maybe id hit em :cry
Grab a 30mm, some duct tape, a fuse and get REALLY close... Reach out of the cockpit and tape the tater to the other plane's tail. Light fuse, run away.
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for the rest of this tour Im going fly Japonese Fighters
any hint/sugestion about any of them ki84 61 zeke etc?
The A6M5 is a pleasant and easy plane to fly, much like a Spitfire. It is quite slow and not durable, but usually you'll be smiling at the end of your flight. Take this if you're just learning to fly in AH. The A6M2 is one of the best dogfighters in the game, but it is even slower and suffers from poor armament and a limited ammunition load. Take it in the early war arena and for fun in the dueling arena. (Or come fly with us in AvA this week.)
The Tony (Ki61) is a great plane, difficult to learn because it performs best in a limited speed range. Try to keep it above 200 and under 300. Don't try to outclimb anyone, you probably won't do well. It will catch most other planes in a dive and out-turn them in the subsequent fight. Excellent guns.
The Frank (Ki84) is, IMHO, the best dogfighter in AH. It is not easy to learn because it, too performs best in a limited speed range. Look in this thread for a recent discussion of how to fly it: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,309692.0.html.
All in all, the Japanese planes - especially the Tony - are some of the best performers, and some of the most ignored planes in the game.
- oldman
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Take it in the early war arena and for fun in the dueling arena. (Or come fly with us in AvA this week.)
- oldman
ok when it will be ?
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ok when it will be ?
24/7 dude. See this week's setup in this thread: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,310383.0.html
- oldman (but the arena is usually busiest in the evenings)
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I don't see why you say the Ki61 is good for BnZ... It does lock up at speeds. While it can dive faster than an A6M, I doubt dive speeds are any better than the N1K2. The firepower, the ability to zoom, turn, climb, are all greatly diminished compared to both Ki-84 and N1K2.
It CAN bounce other planes. It just can't do it as well as some others.
The Ki-61 dives loads better than the N1K2. It also preforms better at higher speed than any of the other Japanese planes we have.
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The Ki-61 dives loads better than the N1K2. It also preforms better at higher speed than any of the other Japanese planes we have.
I feel that KI61 dont hold E as good as the N1k , I can be wrong tho I only flown it 5 or 6 times yet
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The Ki-61 dives loads better than the N1K2. It also preforms better at higher speed than any of the other Japanese planes we have.
You're just spinning your wheels, it isn't worth it bud. I've the posts that deal with the 61 and can only laugh, except Oldman's last post.
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You're just spinning your wheels, it isn't worth it bud. I've the posts that deal with the 61 and can only laugh, except Oldman's last post.
at least a few people understand the KI-61s potential. just dont try to flat turn with a 51 in it :ahand
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Im very cautious with high Ki61's, its levelled speed is not much, but it seems very aerodynamic and retains its E very well. And once its on your six it can't be shacked easily.
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Im very cautious with high Ki61's, its levelled speed is not much, but it seems very aerodynamic and retains its E very well. And once its on your six it can't be shacked easily.
:headscratch: that can be said for EVERY plane :rolleyes:
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:headscratch: that can be said for EVERY plane :rolleyes:
Noticed your sig... I Love AvA. All we do is fight 1-3 on 1-3. Only problem this week is, Oldman keeps offing himself before I can fire on him... and usually only after he's done some very pretty verticals in his P40. I'm sure he'd own me were it not for this but, until hr learns that ride, I'll take the freebies.
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at least a few people understand the KI-61s potential. just dont try to flat turn with a 51 in it :ahand
that is pretty much for any plane...I think a Goon can out turn it in a straight out flat turn hahaha...but it can be done...just need to manage the flaps and E ....
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And once its on your six it can't be shacked easily.
meh. just cross fingers on one hand, bank real hard, shove the rudder over, and stall (and hope)
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Ki-61 FTW :aok
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Ki-61 FTW :aok
No argument here.