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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: TinmanX on April 15, 2011, 11:21:44 PM
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Thanks to those that took our target, an hour to get there to find it's been downed by another group and now we have to do an hour home for 'score' having done F all.
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What target?
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Didn't you get the orders?
B29 Squad Targets:
VF17 = HQ
VF15 = AAA Fac
VF15 = Troop Fac
The Unforgiven = Radar Fac
The Unforgiven = Ammo Fac
364th = Fuel Fac
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Didn't you get the orders?
B29 Squad Targets:
VF17 = HQ
VF15 = AAA Fac
VF15 = Troop Fac
The Unforgiven = Radar Fac
The Unforgiven = Ammo Fac
364th = Fuel Fac
Yeah, but I wasn't sure what squad you were in.
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Didn't you get the orders?
B29 Squad Targets:
VF17 = HQ
VF15 = AAA Fac
VF15 = Troop Fac
The Unforgiven = Radar Fac
The Unforgiven = Ammo Fac
364th = Fuel Fac
New orders we received at 4:37pm today
Correcttion to the original orders.
VF17 is NOT hitting HQ.
VF17 is hitting the City Structure in the strats and should be with us (the main body).
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Sorry Nef. Tinmanx was a lil frustrated. Unforgiven flew for an hour to the factories to find they were all destroyed. It was an hour back to land. We saw 1 zeke. It Happens.... It's FSO .... :aok
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Sorry Nef. Tinmanx was a lil frustrated. Unforgiven flew for an hour to the factories to find they were all destroyed. It was an hour back to land. We saw 1 zeke. It Happens.... It's FSO .... :aok
First i head of a target being down before your squad get to it. But i supposed you are right, it happens.
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I'm confused. The Axis Objectives that went out last Saturday (April 09) said that the Allies were going to hit the strats in all six cities. :headscratch:
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HQ was not a viable target!
there were still structures standing in the city as I egressed!
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Yeah this FSO needs some re thinking.
366 total pilots with only 125 total kills in frame three.
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Sorry Nef. Tinmanx was a lil frustrated. Unforgiven flew for an hour to the factories to find they were all destroyed. It was an hour back to land. We saw 1 zeke. It Happens.... It's FSO .... :aok
Don't apologize for me Plisskin.
CHawks took our target and left 15 guys over an enemy strat with nothing to drop on. I'm glad their squad had a good time, shame our evening was ruined because of it but that's FSO, "it happens" with startling and consistent frequency.
Yes, I'm pissed about it. I'm pissed it happened, I'm pissed no-one (CHawks) thought to tell anyone they'd taken other targets so we could re-task. I'm pissed I was chat banned and couldn't tell the CHawks exactly and precisely what I thought about them then and think about them now. I'm pissed that after a 6 month break from this event I've returned to FSO to find it is still the shambolic cluster fudge it's always been. I'm pissed that the squad I flew with got shafted not just tonight but from the moment we put our side request in.
Pissed but not surprised.
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Well, this does comfirrm that B29s did take off. I didn't see an enemy the whole frame.b
Oh that's right I was sitting over Hiroshima awaiting an attack that never happened. But I geuss NOE fighters counts as a "credible force".
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Well, this does comfirrm that B29s did take off. I didn't see an enemy the whole frame.b
Oh that's right I was sitting over Hiroshima awaiting an attack that never happened. But I geuss NOE fighters counts as a "credible force".
+1 same at Nagasaki
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Well, this does comfirrm that B29s did take off. I didn't see an enemy the whole frame.b
Oh that's right I was sitting over Hiroshima awaiting an attack that never happened. But I geuss NOE fighters counts as a "credible force".
The LCA was over Hiroshima for and hour and a half of sight seeing. This is the first time in 4 years of flying the FSO that it has happend to my squad. We understand that sometimes things like that happen, but it still didn't make for a very fun night. Had 18 pilots flying around burning the emperors AV gas. Guess the Allies took enough of a pasting in the first two frames that they couldn't muster up the will to keep fighting :rofl
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Were the F4Us that we ran into heavy? If so, then maybe the staff needs to consider how the scoring is done.
The F4Us started with an altitude advantage, if they were heavy they must have all skinned their ords and gone into fighter mode. We were, locally, vastly outnumbered. When I finally went down there were at least 6 F4Us on me.
It seems to me that there needs to be a greater emphasis on completing the assigned mission. If the entire strike package dumps its ords at the first sign of the enemy, there willl never be any attempt on the target.
In my case, 2 F4Us would have been more then enough to deal with me, the other 4+ could have easily pushed on to the target and either completed their mission or at least given the rest of the defenders a crack at them.
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Were the F4Us that we ran into heavy?
The 334th engaged the N1K's at around 25k, we were escorting the strike package below us. And for the record, we spotted 5 N1K's versus our 6 F4U's. Seems fair to me. No more than 5 minutes after our little engagement, the 412th and the 334th got swarmed by superior numbers. It works both ways Dave, just sayin'.
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The 334th engaged the N1K's at around 25k, we were escorting the strike package below us. And for the record, we spotted 5 N1K's versus our 6 F4U's. Seems fair to me. No more than 5 minutes after our little engagement, the 412th and the 334th got swarmed by superior numbers. It works both ways Dave, just sayin'.
If you weren't heavy, then I don't have a problem with how it went down.
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It just seems to me that heavy fighters attacking strat targets does not makes sense. Specially when the strike package them selves were used as sacrifical lambs.
So...what happened to the "There will be no more than 8 sets of B29s attacking one target". Wasn't that made to stop the allies from massing thier froces and punching a hole through one area while leaving the rest of the Japanese defenders 100 miles away with no clue what is going on?
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Total waste of two hours (including required early arrival in arena) on a Friday night. Nothing fun about high alt patrolling, realistic or not.
Never saw a single con. Just about landed it before dying of boredom. (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/smilies/indifferent0008.gif)
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In Frame 3 the Allies had the number of B-29s upped to 48 and with the terrain update were now able to hit every target in Japan.
Obviously the Allied CIC chose to handle the objectives a different way. In FSO we as the event designers can only do so much and the rest of the job is left to the CIC who design the orders for us Squad COs and pilots.
Had the B-29s attacked every target like I was anticipating some of the attitudes here may be different this morning. I'm sorry you guys a had a crappy time. In hindsight, perhaps I should of dropped the entire USN plane set for frame three.
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In Frame 3 the Allies had the number of B-29s upped to 48 and with the terrain update were now able to hit every target in Japan.
Obviously the Allied CIC chose to handle the objectives a different way. In FSO we as the event designers can only do so much and the rest of the job is left to the CIC who design the orders for us Squad COs and pilots.
Had the B-29s attacked every target like I was anticipating some of the attitudes here may be different this morning. I'm sorry you guys a had a crappy time. In hindsight, perhaps I should of dropped the entire USN plane set for frame three.
With all due respect Nefarious, you told us that there would be no more then 8 formations tasked to each target for frame one, and that that restriction could be raised or lowered for frames 2 and 3. Is this what happened? It seems to me that rule changes made in the middle of the setup should have been made known to all.
The forces of B-29s will have to be split up, 24 Formations of B-29s will not be attacking 1 Target. Going into Frame 1, There will be three targets for the B-29s... Equally divided that would put 8 Formations over each target. (24 Ships). This can be raised or lowered going into frame 2 depending on the results of frame 1 and the same goes for the ALT CAP, It can be raised or lowered depending on the results.
And from Ghostdancer
Well Nef has implementing three things so far to try to balance out the design.
1) Forcing the B29s to hit multiple targets to make sure there is not one massive force of them (no pig piling)>
2) Enforcing an alt limit on the B29s (no 32K alt strikes from them).
3) Japanese forces will have the numerical advantage on the U.S. Exact advantage TBD once all squads have indicated their preferences.
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In all due respect you misunderstood me. Obviously the bombers had to be split up. All 24 formations could not attack all three targets as FSO rules prohibit them from that. They had no choice but to split up the bombers because USN Attack Aircraft were not available in the Western area in Frames 1 and 2.
The forces of B-29s will have to be split up, 24 Formations of B-29s will not be attacking 1 Target. Going into Frame 1, There will be three targets for the B-29s...Equally divided that would put 8 Formations over each target. (24 Ships).This can be raised or lowered going into frame 2 depending on the results of frame 1 and the same goes for the ALT CAP, It can be raised or lowered depending on the results.
I never listed that they had to have 8 formations per target as a rule in the setup at ahevents.org or in my objectives. I was referring to the number of B-29s that could be raised or lowered not indicating the number per target. It's not my decision how to distribute forces in FSO unless I am the CIC that frame, I was just using a possible situation when describing 8 per target.
Sorry for the confusion.
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And from Ghostdancer
Ghostdancer did not write my event.
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Ghostdancer did not write my event.
Then you failed to correct him when you had plenty of time to do so.
Tell me this. As designer, did you intend for the B29s to be used against multiple targets in Frame 3? Can you understand how the Axis CiCs and Squad COs might have been lead to believe that the B29s would be forced to split between targets? Either by what you had said, or by what Ghostdancer said (and never was corrected)?
There seems to be a disconnect here somewhere. I love FSO, I'm just trying to point out where things seem to have gone kerflewy here, so hopefully future setups will be better.
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Then you failed to correct him when you had plenty of time to do so.
Tell me this. As designer, did you intend for the B29s to be used against multiple targets in Frame 3? Can you understand how the Axis CiCs and Squad COs might have been lead to believe that the B29s would be forced to split between targets? Either by what you had said, or by what Ghostdancer said (and never was corrected)?
There seems to be a disconnect here somewhere. I love FSO, I'm just trying to point out where things seem to have gone kerflewy here, so hopefully future setups will be better.
+++1
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Yes. I was under the impression once I opened the entire map to the use of B-29s they would be used as such by the Allied CIC. It didn't happen that way.
And yes, I can understand that the Axis might anticipate being attacked by B-29s at every target as I mentioned in the objectives that its possible for them to do so. But looking at the setup and the objectives, it would be impossible to rule out they would not be attacked by USN aircraft too. Allied Carriers were clearly in range to strike all those targets and they were clearly available to the Allied CIC to use. All that information was included in the Axis Objectives too. It was also never written in the setup or the objectives that X number of B-29s had to hit each target, it was just by the nature of the design that B-29s had to hit multiple targets in Frame 1 and 2. In Frame 3 the map was wide open for the Allies, Both USAAF and USN had the option of hitting target anywhere on the map.
I try to balance how much control I have over the event. I try to make sure the CICs have options and understand those options without writing specific rules every FSO. I try to use the game limitations and settings as a foundation of the design without using a laundry list of rules so the CICs can make there own decisions.
Everyone is going to have their own strategy when it comes to writing FSO orders. One CIC is going to approach FSO Objectives a totally different way than someone else might. It's just really unfortunate when it ruins peoples Fridays. That was never my intention or the CICs and I am sorry.
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Someone with a little more smarts figure this one out: Was the below listed rule violated?
- CICs shall not organize a mission with orders to attack more than one objective in succession. More simply stated, one objective, one mission. If there are 8 offensive objectives for one side during a frame, the CIC shall ensure that there are eight attack missions, each assigned to attack a single objective. This rule is intended to prevent CIC's from overwhelming the defenders of a single target. For example, a large combined force of 60 aircraft attacking three bases that are each singly defended by a squad of 15 or 20. Please see the following examples.
Muttman
Sick Puppies
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Someone with a little more smarts figure this one out: Was the below listed rule violated?
No. Each target was assigned an attack group.
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CHawks took our target and left 15 guys over an enemy strat with nothing to drop on. I'm glad their squad had a good time, shame our evening was ruined because of it but that's FSO, "it happens" with startling and consistent frequency.
Yes, I'm pissed about it. I'm pissed it happened, I'm pissed no-one (CHawks) thought to tell anyone they'd taken other targets so we could re-task. I'm pissed I was chat banned and couldn't tell the CHawks exactly and precisely what I thought about them then and think about them now.
I'm not the CO, but I think I'll respond anyway since I flew the mission...
1. The order I have in hand, and the only one I received, says nothing about any particular squad hitting any particular factory. They say quote "Entire large city complexes are to be targeted. They consist of a HQ, AAA Fac, Troop Fac, Radar Fac, Ammo Fac, and Fuel Fac. Destroy as much as you can at each city."
2. We grouped up after air launch, followed the lead squad and escorts to Tokyo. Along the way, our squad leader who had been coordinating with another squad ordered us to save bombs for a 2nd strike on Nagoya. We dropped half our bomb load on the Tokyo strats as ordered, then turned left, went down to Nagoya and put the other half on the strats there at about T+75. We then turned SSW and landed at 125 at about T+115.
3. AT NO TIME were we told to hit only one factory. Our squad leader was in contact with other bomb groups and our fighter escorts (who did a terrific job btw) so if there was some sort of coordination error take it up with allied high command.
4. Our squad flies plenty of FSOs, we take any ride or any dirty job handed to us and fly it in a calm, professional manner as best we can. You won't see us whining in the FSO forum or bad-mouthing some other squad if something goes wrong during a mission.
5. I don't really give a rats rear-end what you think, but I can see from the way you run your mouth why you got chat banned.
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I am still looking for the wording somewhere. When I was the CIC I remember reading that each target needed to be hit with a reasonable force to allow the defenders of said target to have fun. If it is simply each target must be assigned an attack group, then, say if there are 8 targets, 5 could be hit with a force of 3 to 4 attackers and the other 3 hoarded. Is that right? Somewhere I remember reading it wasnt.
PS: I am not attempting to slam anyone. I know that a lot of effort goes forth in setting these things up. However, if something isnt right lets work on fixing it. Based on what I read there were a lot of targets that had marginal attackers or no attackers at all.
Muttman
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It was also never written in the setup or the objectives that X number of B-29s had to hit each target, it was just by the nature of the design that B-29s had to hit multiple targets in Frame 1 and 2...
Just a suggestion here Nef, perhaps things would have gone better if you had specified X targets must be hit by a minimum of Y B-29's each. Looking back at the logs, it appears that 4
allied squads with a total of 41 pilots upped B-29's and flew to directly Tokyo. I haven't adjusted for discos etc but by all accounts, both Japanese and Allied, it was a pig pile.
We're all human and make mistakes so it's all fine with me. watermelon happens and it's over. Let's just chalk it up as a learning experience. The main thing is to bear what happened here in mind in future FSO setups. Someone needs to make a note of this somewhere. All things considered it was a fun event and we appreciate your efforts in setting this up. <S>
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Then you failed to correct him when you had plenty of time to do so.
Quite frankly, you are incorrect in this assumption. It is not likely that the admin is going to read every forum, every thread, and every subject to figure out who is full of hot air and who is correct. It is, however, completely practical that every player pay attention to the single and only person who is there to clarify a decision, and that is the Designer.
All anyone needs to do is go to the single source for clarifications. Far more practical than said single source fielding through countless discussions.
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We're all human and make mistakes so it's all fine with me. Chit happens and it's over. Let's just chalk it up as a learning experience. The main thing is to bear what happened here in mind in future FSO setups. Someone needs to make a note of this somewhere. All things considered it was a fun event and we appreciate your efforts in setting this up. <S>
Ditto
Thanks for dealing with all these headaches Nefarious.
I truly sympathize with you and greatly appreciate your efforts.
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I join Delta. Thanks for designing the event. FSO is what it is... Flying without meeting the enemy and it happens in the world of cartoon planes. :aok
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I agree with Delta and Plissken as well. Flying without meeting the enemy happens to us all at somepoint every now and again, and it happened in real life as well. We came, we saw, we learned, now we move on with those lessons. Thanks for the hard work Nef :salute and all involved behind the scenes with FSO's :aok
J
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I'm in agreement with Delta, plissken, and j500, as well. Sure I could have chalked it up as a 'boring' night or I could quietly, behind the scenes, voice my frustration in an intelligent and well thought out manner. I'll just file this one as 'it happens' and drive on.
I've had plenty of FSO's where my side was overwhelmed with enemies, plenty where it was 'perfect', and very few (I can count on one hand) 'boring'.
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Quite frankly, you are incorrect in this assumption. It is not likely that the admin is going to read every forum, every thread, and every subject to figure out who is full of hot air and who is correct. It is, however, completely practical that every player pay attention to the single and only person who is there to clarify a decision, and that is the Designer.
All anyone needs to do is go to the single source for clarifications. Far more practical than said single source fielding through countless discussions.
Seeing how he posted 5 times in the same thread AFTER Ghostdancer posted what he posted, I think it is perfectly reasonable for him to have corrected what another CM stated.
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Seeing how he posted 5 times in the same thread AFTER Ghostdancer posted what he posted, I think it is perfectly reasonable for him to have corrected what another CM stated.
get real man, how many people read every single post in every thread they reply to? if you do you have to much time on your hands and your starting sound like a cry baby, everyone runs into nights they don't see much action if you haven't before then lucky you. For us it's fest or famine in FSO.
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everyone runs into nights they don't see much action if you haven't before then lucky you. For us it's fest or famine in FSO.
I never said I didn't see any action, but I guess you didn't bother reading the whole thread. I just think that the setup was FUBAR, because we had CMs telling people things that apparently wasn't the case.
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I never said I didn't see any action, but I guess you didn't bother reading the whole thread. I just think that the setup was FUBAR, because we had CMs telling people things that apparently wasn't the case.
one whine per thread is enough for me then i look for more interesting posts.
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For my squad it was "Veni Vichi Vermini" We came, We saw, We got ratz (drunk) and none of the guys got a DUI. If you haven't realized it yet, HTC is a genius. He has invented a chat board with something to do... I hung out with my friends on Friday night and told jokes.... It was a great time. :cheers:
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For those who like to point out all the "tiny" mistakes is FSO design, then please volunteer to become a CM and you can design to your perfection. For those who like to point out all the "tiny" mistakes in CIC orders, then please VOLUNTEER to be a CIC EACH FRAME and you can plan the orders to your perfection.
War is fluid.
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For those who like to point out all the "tiny" mistakes is FSO design, then please volunteer to become a CM and you can design to your perfection. For those who like to point out all the "tiny" mistakes in CIC orders, then please VOLUNTEER to be a CIC EACH FRAME and you can plan the orders to your perfection.
War is fluid.
People who "know everything" never...NEVER... volunteer to do the work. Because if they did, they would be subject to the same criticism that they enjoy handing out to others.
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People who "know everything" never...NEVER... volunteer to do the work. Because if they did, they would be subject to the same criticism that they enjoy handing out to others.
Good thing I'm not the CM. Oh and no I don't want the head ache. If I were the CM you would get your target and plane assignments. After that it would be up to the CIC to determine what targets are to be hit and and by what size of force. Targets would be assigned a priority as to its importance as determined by intelligence reports. And yes intelligence reports will not always be accurate. Puts some of the fog of war in the game. Oh and can I hear the complaints now. There were hundreds of fighters and bombers over our target. We flew all night and did not see anything. We hit our target and did not see any air cover. etc., etc., etc. God would that be fun. Almost like real life. :banana:
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For those who like to point out all the "tiny" mistakes is FSO design, then please volunteer to become a CM and you can design to your perfection. For those who like to point out all the "tiny" mistakes in CIC orders, then please VOLUNTEER to be a CIC EACH FRAME and you can plan the orders to your perfection.
War is fluid.
Bingo, we have a winner
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For those who like to point out all the "tiny" mistakes is FSO design, then please volunteer to become a CM and you can design to your perfection. For those who like to point out all the "tiny" mistakes in CIC orders, then please VOLUNTEER to be a CIC EACH FRAME and you can plan the orders to your perfection.
War is fluid.
The problem is that no allied planes showed up at Japanese targets which is very frustrating. It isn't a "tiny" mistake if no one comes to your target especially when it happened at multiple bases that is a large problem.
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The problem is that no allied planes showed up at Japanese targets which is very frustrating. It isn't a "tiny" mistake if no one comes to your target especially when it happened at multiple bases that is a large problem.
My squad went to our assigned target; we were engaged by N1K's a few miles before the target. Perhaps someone else intercepted the squad assigned to attack your target...it happens. My very first FSO involved flying a 262 for two hours without ever seeing the enemy.
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i would like to apologize to the allies that had a bad time, i was the allies CiC, for the 1st time, an i did the orders 1week after a massive heart attack(march 28th), i misread the main orders and thought the 29's were supposed to goto tokyo, an thats my fault. after the frame started i found my mistake and tried to improvise a secondary for 29's. To the UF, im really srry, id thought ( again on me) ud dropped already and we were cleaning up. it was not our intention to steal ur trgts an waste ur time. We like the UF, luv doin joint ops w/ u guys and would never shaft u guys like that on purpose. matter of fact check frame 2, the chawks pretty much sacrificed our sqd so u guys could make it to trgt, an if im not mistaken u guys made top sqd obj's destroyed. not throwing it in ur face or being a oscar, just dont want to ruin a good relation our sqds have cuz i made a rookie CiC mistake. ive got alot of honest feed back to where if i get the chance to do it again the same mistakes wont be made again.
again srry to the UF an any other allies that had a bad time (no fun). but plz UF, dont blame the chawks, they were following my orders, if u wanna stay mad at me, i understand an dont take it personally, as i understand ur frustration. and again, im srry.
<<S>> QcareCh
I take full resposibilty for the orders for frame 3, and its mistakes.
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<S> Qcare. Hope everything turns out alright.
Over the years my squad and others have had frames without seeing a single enemy.
Over the years my squad and others have been wiped out in short order because of overwhelming odds.
Over the years Admin's have made mistakes that have ruined the night for some.
Over the years Setup CM's have made mistakes that have ruined the night for some.
Over the years CiC's have made mistakes that ruined the night for some.
Despite all the mistakes made over the years, players have made it quite clear that FSO is one of the reasons they stay in Aces High.
Over the years one of the most common mistakes made by a 'few' players is expecting CM's and players to mange everything perfectly, but if they can't do it quite perfectly, to then correct the error to the full satisfaction of the offended. Get a clue. Not going to happen. CM's don't manage events to live up to other players expectations. CM's manage events events according to their own expectations.
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Q, no worries. We flew around practicing our formation flying.
And then when we were about to give up you appeared on the scene
to make my night memorable.
<S>
kansas2
22:20:28 Departed from Field #36 in a N1K2-J
23:30:17 Shot down a B-29 flown by QcareCH.
23:33:47 Shot down a B-29 flown by QcareCH.
23:35:00 Shot down a B-29 flown by QcareCH.
23:40:28 Arrived Safely at Field #36
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LMAO Kansas, when i saw in the logs that it was u , i was like "mama nooooo" lol, he was one of my ju88 elite in BoB senerio a cpl yrs ago, i thought he was my buddy. lol that was some nice flyin, was missin a few guns but still had some, u were just too hard to get good hits on. very nice sir <<S>>. (see, i lost all three of my b29's running the bad guys outta ammo :old: )
<<S>> an ty baddog, i know its hard to please all the people all the time, but i still feel bad about it.
this was my 1st time as CiC, and it wasnt easy, <<S>> to those who make it look so easy. but i learned alot and hope to get a 2nd crack at it sometime as it was a awesome learning experience, i just feel horrible that some didnt have fun and that i misunderstood the routes for the b29's, the obj destroyed ( the numbers were awesome) was the highest ive ever seen, but if id did the orders right, they might have double that. but i understand what i did wrong an have learned alot from it, (like dont turn ur back on kansas, lol i keed). but mistakes happen, and i take (broken record, i know) full, solo responsibilty for the allied Cic issues, it wasnt the chawks' fault, mine.
<<S>> and TinmanX, i am truly sorry u did not have a good time
QcareCH
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<< :salute>> Qcare.
We were defending Tokyo, and boy oh boy I have never seen so many bombers in one place in here or the MA. Honestly it was very impressive and very successful. I too saw the dot dar come on briefly and was like "Holy sheep dip!" I flew through the ranks and took pot shots where I could. I'm sure I would have been toast if any of your escorts had decided to engage me but frankly I was out gunned by all the bloody 29's! And my little A6m was so slow...I was so wishing I was a N1K1. Who knows, the disco I experienced may have saved my life! :bhead But I hate discos.
And I commend you for speaking up. Owning up for any mistakes shows a lot of character and class. I think more people should think about that before they start to gripe. Stuff happens, so it's better to, I think, to ask questions first before blowing up and pointing fingers about how bad it was because It's hard to erase what you have already posted and in the end you can look like an arse :ahand! Been there, done that. :salute
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Hello QcareCH Old friend. The Unforgiven flies on the wing of the Chawks too many times to let this be a problem with us. Cheech posted this thread in the heat of the moment. In fact we have a joint squad ops next Friday (or a squad duel). I second Daddog's comments. FSO is what it is. As CM's we try not to make mistakes. The first thing we learn in school is decorum. The second thing we learn is that at some point, we are going to make mistakes. I hope you are doing OK. As you know from our joint ops, about 3 years ago I had a heartattack while flying a goon for GeneralX. When I ditched to go to the hospital, General said: "That da**m Plissken better be having a heart attack. I need that goon." LMAO I am better and happy to be flying with all of you. As Daddog phrased it, the reason why all of us in the CM community take FSO so seriously is the loyalty of the FSO players and squads.
And you are right about the second frame my friend. I was the allied CiC and as my eyes scanned the list of squads to support our attack, I chose the Chawks for escort. Because we love flying with you guys, Because we knew you were there for us, and Because our drunken banter on squad channel wouldn't surprise you.
:salute QcareCh and the Chawks. No problem here and I hope you get better. Between me, you and Cashew with the heartattacks, we should eat more fish and chicken. Actually I have combined the two and I am eating fried Penguin..... ~~~ Snake ~~~
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I have no complaints either QcareCH. The 132nd were in Zekes defending Osaka. The Allied JABO's were intercepted by other squads and we just burned holes in the sky until after T+60. When I heard that the B-29's were way off on the other side of the map, we weren't in any position to help so we towered out.
It happens.
<S> Qcare. Hope everything turns out alright.
Over the years my squad and others have had frames without seeing a single enemy.
Over the years my squad and others have been wiped out in short order because of overwhelming odds.
Over the years Admin's have made mistakes that have ruined the night for some.
Over the years Setup CM's have made mistakes that have ruined the night for some.
Over the years CiC's have made mistakes that ruined the night for some.
Despite all the mistakes made over the years, players have made it quite clear that FSO is one of the reasons they stay in Aces High.
Over the years one of the most common mistakes made by a 'few' players is expecting CM's and players to mange everything perfectly, but if they can't do it quite perfectly, to then correct the error to the full satisfaction of the offended. Get a clue. Not going to happen. CM's don't manage events to live up to other players expectations. CM's manage events events according to their own expectations.
Couldn't phrase that any better. :salute
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I agree with most that's been said...and it shows a lot of class to own up to mistakes. :salute
That said, I think most people were just frustrated with the empty waiting, and so by offering up advice, are not trying to fry anyone's bacon, but rather improve upon and increase the joy that is FSO.
As many people have stated, FSO is what keeps a lot of people flying in Aces High, myself included. Good discussion can only improve the event.
As to your heart attack, I hope your doing better and will be on the road to full recovery as soon as possible!
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QuareCH!!!!!!!!!!!! HEART ATTACK!!!!!!!! I hope things are okay. Thats a serious thing. I think you did pretty dam good 1 week after a heart attack. I know how I felt. I had one about 7 years ago myself. Two stints were put in. FSO would not have been at the top of my list of things to worry about. :salute
Please forgive me guys..... I don't have an English major. (?) Nor am I gonna get one. I'm sure everyone knows I was CIC for Axis. There's a million ways you could have attach. You chose that one. :salute And another :salute for your first CIC duty. I hope you are doing good. That way....... you can do it again. :aok It's much cooler the second time.
Nef......... you did fine. :aok FSO is not MA. Everyone wants to see action. That did happen in real life and can't always happen in FSO. What's really cool about FSO is. IN about a week and a half we get to try it again. Thanks to the CM crew.
I support what daddog said. Well ... kinda. I'm not sure how you "ruin the night" for some because of the discission of the CIC. If thats what they think. They got to fly with there buddies, crack some jokes and wasn't the first one shot down in an attack. There's gonna be mistakes. If you want to call them mistakes. We're people. If I wanted a game where I knew what the outcome would be. I would go buy a WWII game from Bestbuy.
After all that was said I just wanted to add my support to you guys.
Thanks guys
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P.S. Caught a 30" Striper yesterday.. I'm gonna enjoy. :rock
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Ty sir, march 28th was my second, but was much much worse than the 1st 1, which was jan 29th 2010, an had a stent put in in nov 27th 2010. so the 3 r 1 is 3mmx24mm, 1 is 2.5mmx12mm an the new 1 is 3mmx30mm. the suky part is i turned 38 feb 20th. the reason my arteries got so bad was 4 yrs ago i broke my back, 5 fractures in 4 vert's an that put me dwn for quite awhile. bur dr says things should get better w/ all the changes ive made, and ty to all for the best wishes, i know i may have tangled w/ a few of u in the ma an maybe exchanged words, but it was just trash talkin the other team an never took it to heart an hope no 1 else did either. its all if "war sim" fun.
<<S>> an cya ya'll in the skies
QcareCH Rich E.
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What jvbicwil said X 10 (well less the fishing stuff)
Take care of yourself sir. There's always another Friday night. There's only one of you. :salute