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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Tupac on April 26, 2011, 08:32:24 PM
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http://en.video.canoe.tv/video/raw-video:-emergency-landing-on-highway/919707470001
Really neat video. I wish all engine-out situations had a happy ending like this one did
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Very Good...Had to laugh he even pulled over....WTG.....I like how silent everyone was... :O
Kam
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pretty dam good.
he must've had an excellent CFI. :aok
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They walked away which is great news. Highways and roadways generally aren't good options for a host of reasons but BZ for a happy ending.
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excellent landing :aok
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Some pretty big eyes in the back seat, not that you can blame them.
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How about in a more urban area?
This is old(er):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiLrperYPIA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiLrperYPIA)
wrongway
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Very well done.
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:aok :salute
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How bout from the movies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DzWNmCXmEg&feature=related
granted not an emergency but still :O
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relatively common in alaska...
i always wonder how im gonna react if i would see this happening. Great job by the pilot!
we actually had this happen close to my house in the 50's-60's only it was a twin engine military aircraft (I want to say A-26 invader, but not sure). It lost power and landed... they ended up fixing the problem and taking back off from the highway
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Extremely happy that he made it down in one piece, great landing and looking back at it - it's impossible to critique as he made it down without killing or hurting anyone. Looked as though there were a few fields he could have chosen from. By landing on that highway, he put even more lives in danger and was most likely thinking about saving the plane. It worked this time, and hopefully won't need to be tested again.
I hope I never have to put my money where my mouth is, but I hope I do the right thing and put myself before the plane, if I ever need to make that decision.
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Extremely happy that he made it down in one piece, great landing and looking back at it - it's impossible to critique as he made it down without killing or hurting anyone. Looked as though there were a few fields he could have chosen from. By landing on that highway, he put even more lives in danger and was most likely thinking about saving the plane. It worked this time, and hopefully won't need to be tested again.
I hope I never have to put my money where my mouth is, but I hope I do the right thing and put myself before the plane, if I ever need to make that decision.
myself and a friend were flying a 172.....well.....TRYING to fly it. N738RE. suffered a partial engine failure taking off. serious misfire at around 300 to 400 ft alt. got her to smooth out, and continued our climb to pattern alt, as i made the call that we were having trouble. 2 aircraft on downwind actually exited the pattern to the north, which i thought(afterwards) was unnecessary.
we got her back on the runway, taxied up to the maintenance hangar, and shut her down.
then we got yelled at for saving that airplane. the cfi that was yelling at us told us we should've declared an emergency, and landed in the field off the end of the runway. he said that as soon as that plane developed that problem, it belonged to the insurance company.
we were thanked by the club owner. i still think we did the right thing. that kid did the right thing too. if you notice when the kid with the camera points it back, there is only 1 car there. probably a very lightly traveled road to begin with.
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then we got yelled at for saving that airplane. the cfi that was yelling at us told us we should've declared an emergency, and landed in the field off the end of the runway. he said that as soon as that plane developed that problem, it belonged to the insurance company.
First, he's a moron.
I really want to talk to someone who is actually giving the advice to "declare an emergency" and crash a flyable airplane to find out their thought process because it's wrong.
If you're still flying with that club and that moron is still there the both of you should come over to our hangar. Load him up in the baggage compartment so he won't touch anything and fly over to Coatesville. I'll buy the both of you lunch and some popcorn to hear what his experience really is.
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First, he's a moron.
I really want to talk to someone who is actually giving the advice to "declare an emergency" and crash a flyable airplane to find out their thought process because it's wrong.
If you're still flying with that club and that moron is still there the both of you should come over to our hangar. Load him up in the baggage compartment so he won't touch anything and fly over to Coatesville. I'll buy the both of you lunch and some popcorn to hear what his experience really is.
LOL! That made me laugh
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Extremely happy that he made it down in one piece, great landing and looking back at it - it's impossible to critique as he made it down without killing or hurting anyone. Looked as though there were a few fields he could have chosen from. By landing on that highway, he put even more lives in danger and was most likely thinking about saving the plane. It worked this time, and hopefully won't need to be tested again.
I hope I never have to put my money where my mouth is, but I hope I do the right thing and put myself before the plane, if I ever need to make that decision.
I dont really think he did... its pretty standard to land on a road rather than a field in that case. Departing rwy 10 out of BVI, if we are below 300ft agl, we are to land on route 51. if we are below 1000ft agl, then we try to turn back and make the runway, if we are above 1000ft agl we go for Interstate 376.
Departing 28, we have a golf course and route 51 in the other direction. three or four years ago, there was a c172 that lost his engine and landed on the golf course.
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Out at boerne stage airfield we dont have any options. If you are departing runway 35 and you lose you engine you have two options.
1. Trees
2. IH10
Freeway is your best chance if youre not above 1000 AGL (Like flight17 said)
edit: departing 17 your only option is to turn back, otherwise you end up in the trees. If you dont make it to the runway after you do a 180, you will still end up in trees either way.
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First, he's a moron.
Could not have said it better myself.
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First, he's a moron.
I really want to talk to someone who is actually giving the advice to "declare an emergency" and crash a flyable airplane to find out their thought process because it's wrong.
If you're still flying with that club and that moron is still there the both of you should come over to our hangar. Load him up in the baggage compartment so he won't touch anything and fly over to Coatesville. I'll buy the both of you lunch and some popcorn to hear what his experience really is.
he was "spoken" to about that. he no longer works there. i think it was within the week that he was gone.
i unfortunately haven't been up in a couple of years, and now that i'm finally getting busy again, i'm catching up my bills before i can go up with a cfi again.
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Out at boerne stage airfield we dont have any options. If you are departing runway 35 and you lose you engine you have two options.
1. Trees
2. IH10
Freeway is your best chance if youre not above 1000 AGL (Like flight17 said)
edit: departing 17 your only option is to turn back, otherwise you end up in the trees. If you dont make it to the runway after you do a 180, you will still end up in trees either way.
hammonton nj. i forget the runay number, but basically north. engine failure on takeoff.......2 choices.....woods, or find a way to make it back to the runway.
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I hit you up for car advice and you've saved me a few hundred bucks so I could troubleshoot. I'll trade you services and I'm even reasonably confident that I won't let you kill us in a 172.
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How come I havent heard of this before? :O These guys have the same accent as me (they speak French), They landed on a highway (10th) thats 5min away from me and I recognize these two mountains! That's right next to me lol!
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Extremely happy that he made it down in one piece, great landing and looking back at it - it's impossible to critique as he made it down without killing or hurting anyone.
Really? I have confidence in you. I think if you tried, you could do it :aok
Looked as though there were a few fields he could have chosen from. By landing on that highway, he put even more lives in danger and was most likely thinking about saving the plane. It worked this time, and hopefully won't need to be tested again.
Ahhh, see, all you had to do was try :D
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Extremely happy that he made it down in one piece, great landing and looking back at it - it's impossible to critique as he made it down without killing or hurting anyone. Looked as though there were a few fields he could have chosen from. By landing on that highway, he put even more lives in danger and was most likely thinking about saving the plane. It worked this time, and hopefully won't need to be tested again.
I hope I never have to put my money where my mouth is, but I hope I do the right thing and put myself before the plane, if I ever need to make that decision.
I thought u weren't critiquing? And he did do the absolute right thing if u notice all of those fields had trees and you don't know how firm or soft that field is. There were only a few cars it was the perfect spot for a emergency landing. the cars can stop/speed up. trees dont move.
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There was enough room to land in those fields.
Like I said, that was my opinion. No situation is the same. He saved the plane and himself, so you can't say he chose wrong. I did not say he chose wrong, or he should have done it differently.
fbeagle - most drivers are oblivious to what is going on in front of them, let alone what's coming in behind them.
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Roads look very inviting, and in some cases may be your only option, but roads are very hazardous.
Traffic will be an issue. My plan was to look for a gap in the traffic, keep enough speed to round out and float very low over the cars so they'll see me and land in front of them -- with a little luck they won't be talking on a cell, texting, eating lunch or putting on makeup and hit your from behind.
IMO the biggest threat from roads is wires. Lots and lots of electrical and telephone lines co-located along roadways and crossing roadways. You won't see the wire until you hit it -- look for the poles. Try not to cross an interestion -- more likely to having wires crossing the road.
I've been lucky, in all my engine failures I've been over an airport -- although the 3 times on takeoff I was a bit low. :D
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Wires!!
Whenever I drive a highway, I still scan for wires and contemplate how an emergency landing would go.
Many of the US interstates have silly amounts of high tension wires strung pretty high over them.
My check ride instructor took over the plane early on an emergency drill and proceded to "show me the wires we would have hit" only to have the "phone poles" turn into sprinklers that went under the plane about 1 second later.
He stopped squeaking and sat silent on the way back as I stifled the urge to ask him if he can see beyond the windscreen.
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i'm actually pretty lucky in the area of nj that i live. pretty much everywhere i've flown, there's fields big enough to land on should the need arise.
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i'm actually pretty lucky in the area of nj that i live. pretty much everywhere i've flown, there's fields big enough to land on should the need arise.
You can land on a patio...it's that "walking away" and "using the airplane again" that complicates things. :devil
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You can land on a patio...it's that "walking away" and "using the airplane again" that complicates things. :devil
yea i know.....but for the "overbuilt" reputation nj has, we pretty much have a LOT of open space. when i was up a lot, i flew out of n14. heading south, there were a couple fields, and there is atco raceway, then a couple more fields, then hammonton airport, then more fields, then the antlantic city expressway.......there are lots of places here in nj.
i'm always looking....it's how i was taught.
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Also keep in mind that I'm pretty sure that landing was in Canada. I don't know how the regulations there work, but I do know that in some parts of Alaska, they do routinely land on paved roads and it is even legal in some places.
Of course, this was on one of those 'somewhat reality' TV shows where an Alaskan flight instructor made the student do a touch-and-go on a highway.. but my point is that what they did may have been standard 'emergency procedure' for where they are.
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I didn't see any telephone poles, which leads me to believe they have underground utilities which would make a highway landing much more viable
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No poles, but alot of trafffic. I'm sure in that neck of the woods alot of their lines run under ground as you said, though.
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No poles, but alot of trafffic. I'm sure in that neck of the woods alot of their lines run under ground as you said, though.
traffic was opposite direction.
notice no cars in front of him when he lands, and also notice when the camera is swung around, there is only that single car in back of them.
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There were a few cars in front of him there. In any scenario like this, there's alot of "what-ifs". Like I've said - it worked out great for him this time. Frankly I was amazed at how calm he stayed. He has nerves of steel. had the engine cut out a few moments sooner or later, it could very well be a different story.
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There were a few cars in front of him there. In any scenario like this, there's alot of "what-ifs". Like I've said - it worked out great for him this time. Frankly I was amazed at how calm he stayed. He has nerves of steel. had the engine cut out a few moments sooner or later, it could very well be a different story.
yea, i wasn't meaning to be argumentative with you. there' was a cessna landed on the turnpike here in nj last year.....about 10 miles from where i work. it was a traffic reporting flight, and he was too low to glide to the airport that was only a few miles to his east.
how calm the kid stayed, is why i mentioned about having a good cfi. those guys are worth triple their weight in gold. easily. i think golfer would agree with me there.
the cfi i had seemed to be a jinx. it would seem that the plane i like to fly would be fine, till he got in it. then suddenly, it has engine failures, electrical system failures, instrument failures, etc. :devil
but then again, that's why i landed with 0 problems one night with no electrics, and why gary and myself were able to calmly and easily(for the most part) get that partial engine failure back onto the runway without killing anyone or the airplane. and gary flew with the same cfi.
when you find one that really cares about flying, stick with him....... :aok
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http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Cessna+makes+emergency+landing+Eastern+Townships+autoroute/4672169/story.html (http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Cessna+makes+emergency+landing+Eastern+Townships+autoroute/4672169/story.html)
here's a short article about it. he landed about 40 miles east of Montreal, 20 miles north of the Quebec/Vermont border. According to the article it happened mid afternoon on a Monday and traffic on that highway at that time and direction (outbound from Montreal) is pretty much nothing. The fields were and still are saturated with water as we have been getting a lot of rain for the past month.
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Also keep in mind that I'm pretty sure that landing was in Canada. I don't know how the regulations there work, but I do know that in some parts of Alaska, they do routinely land on paved roads and it is even legal in some places.
Of course, this was on one of those 'somewhat reality' TV shows where an Alaskan flight instructor made the student do a touch-and-go on a highway.. but my point is that what they did may have been standard 'emergency procedure' for where they are.
its legal everywhere in Alaska. Pilots get trained for doing them and the drivers are taught about about them as well when they learn to drive.
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its legal everywhere in Alaska. Pilots get trained for doing them and the drivers are taught about about them as well when they learn to drive.
I've got 3400 hours with about 2500 of that in Alaska...never taught to land on a road and I can assure you there is nothing in the traffic code about airplanes landing on the road. However, there is a road at Lake Hood that has a sign reminding automobile traffic that aircraft traffic has the right of way.
If you land on a city street just for giggles you better plan on the "authorities" talking to you, landing on a rural road won't be an issue unless you create some kind of hazard.
Don't believe everything you read about Alaska...only about 95% of it is true. :D