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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: alpini13 on April 28, 2011, 07:47:57 PM
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Yes,the re-2005...first,then the yak-3,g-55,and bf109 variants..RE2005 Italy's most beautiful and best series 5 fighter plane :rolleyes:.A real combat fighter that saw service in WW2 with italian airforces both defore and after sept 1943,and luftwaffe.It was made in the same numbers as the TA-152,and had more confirmed air combat kills that the p-47m and ta-152 combined. :neener:
Its funny to me, how some of the best foreign fighters are excluded in a game dominated by fighters,like the yak-3,re-2205,g-55 fiat,bf-109 g-10 w/20mm,bf109 k-4 w/20mm,what are you all afraid of? :x shutting me up maybe? :headscratch:or getting some great foreign rides :D?
Specifications General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 873 cm (28 ft 7.7 in) ()
Wingspan: 1,100 cm (36 ft 1.1 in) ()
Height: 315 cm (10 ft 4.0 in) ()
Wing area: 20.4 m2 (219.6 sq ft) ()
Empty weight: 2,600 kg (5,730 lb) ()
Loaded weight: 3,610 kg (7,960 lb) ()
Powerplant: 1× Fiat R.A. 1050 RC 58 Tifone, (license built DB 605A-1), 1,475 PS (1,085 kW; 1,455 hp) [15] ()
Performance
Never exceed speed: 980 km/h (609 mph)
Maximum speed:
628 km/h (390 mph) at 2,000 m (6,600 ft),
678 km/h (421 mph) at 7,000 m (23,000 ft) [15]
Cruise speed: 515 km/h (320 mph)
Stall speed: 155 km/h (96 mph) ()
Range: 980 km (610 mi) on internal fuel (1,130 km (700 mi) w/ 300 L drop tank; 1,270 km (790 mi) w/ 300 L + 2 × 150 L drop tanks)
Service ceiling: 11,500 m (37,700 ft) ()
Rate of climb: 20 m/s (3,900 ft/min) (6,000 m in 6.5 min)
Wing loading: max. 177 kg/m² (36.25 lb/sq ft) ()
Armament
Guns:
2 × 12.7 mm Breda-SAFAT machine guns in upper cowling (350rpm);
1 × 20 mm MG 151 cannon firing through propeller hub (150rpm);
2 × 20 mm MG 151 cannon in wings (200rpm)
Bombs:
Underfuselage (non standard) hardpoint 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) bomb or 1 × 300 L (79.3 US gal) drop tank
Hardpoints on wings: 160 kilograms (350 lb) bombs or 2 × 150 litres (39.6 US gal) drop tanks
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Why ask for fighters that played no role when you can ask for things like the CR.42, C.200, Re2000 and G.50?
As to the Bf109G-10, why? What does it add to the game? It fills no gap at all. There are certainly Bf109s that would be nice to have, but the Bf109G-10 is not one of them.
Yak-3 would be nice though.
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wow,these are great planes,as for the last comment...i dont think the ta-152,p-47m had too much impact on the war,if any at all,as a matter of fact historians always cite the fact that while the german jet and rocket planes were an incredible achievement,they had little or no impact on the war...oh. and they actually cite the fact that more people died building and testing the me163 than killed in combat. we have the those aircraft in the game,we should have these as well.
As for the bf-109 g-10.it actually became operational after the bf-109 k-4.and was considered the BEST of the G model bf-109's.....another Best aircraft we dont have. you guys can argue all day long.At the end of the day this country is about freedom..freedom of choice for one.and suppresion of real aircraft that were at the time considered the best in the line is a slap in the face to all those who fought in them and against them,and to the concept of freedom in the USA.freedom to choose what we fly.
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wow,these are great planes,as for the last comment...i dont think the ta-152,p-47m had too much impact on the war,if any at all,as a matter of fact historians always cite the fact that while the german jet and rocket planes were an incredible achievement,they had little or no impact on the war...oh. and they actually cite the fact that more people died building and testing the me163 than killed in combat. we have the those aircraft in the game,we should have these as well.
As for the bf-109 g-10.it actually became operational after the bf-109 k-4.and was considered the BEST of the G model bf-109's.....another Best aircraft we dont have. you guys can argue all day long.At the end of the day this country is about freedom..freedom of choice for one.and suppresion of real aircraft that were at the time considered the best in the line is a slap in the face to all those who fought in them and against them,and to the concept of freedom in the USA.freedom to choose what we fly.
You are really pushing it with the freedom on the BBS.
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The difference between the G.55 and Re2005 as compared to the Ta152 and the P-47M is that the Ta152 mostly uses Fw190D-9 art and the P-47M uses 100% P-47D art, so they were cheap variants to add. The G.55 and Re2005 would both be just as much work to add as, say, a Ki-43.
As you say, the Bf109G-10 fills no gap as it entered service after the superior Bf109K-4, and that was my point. We don't need a post-Bf109K-4 109, we need a Bf109G that can fight effectively at 20-30 thousand feet that entered service significantly before the Bf109K-4. Basically we need a Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS.
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The difference between the G.55 and Re2005 as compared to the Ta152 and the P-47M is that the Ta152 mostly uses Fw190D-9 art and the P-47M uses 100% P-47D art, so they were cheap variants to add. The G.55 and Re2005 would both be just as much work to add as, say, a Ki-43.
As you say, the Bf109G-10 fills no gap as it entered service after the superior Bf109K-4, and that was my point. We don't need a post-Bf109K-4 109, we need a Bf109G that can fight effectively at 20-30 thousand feet that entered service significantly before the Bf109K-4. Basically we need a Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS.
Was there a post or two regareds to the G10? And was it said what you are saying now? And did we had the G-10 in the game about seven years ago?
, you might want to do some search for threads regarding G-10. We have a few knolagable people on the BBS that can tell you a lot more about it then what you know.
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Oakranger,
We never really had a Bf109G-10. We had a Bf109K-4 that was labeled as a Bf109G-10 so that HTC could put the 20mm hub gun on it. When they remodeled the Bf109s to AH2 standards they got a lot more strict in keeping aircraft historical. That is also why the Spitfire Mk IX lost its .50 cal option and the option to carry rockets and 250lb bombs under the wings.
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Oakranger,
We never really had a Bf109G-10. We had a Bf109K-4 that was labeled as a Bf109G-10 so that HTC could put the 20mm hub gun on it. When they remodeled the Bf109s to AH2 standards they got a lot more strict in keeping aircraft historical. That is also why the Spitfire Mk IX lost its .50 cal option and the option to carry rockets and 250lb bombs under the wings.
thanks for clearing that up. :salute
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Just from a strict WW2 air history geek perspective, I'd like to see the "uber" ride for each of the major powers in the game. To finish out the Italian plane set in that respect, we probably should have the Re.2005, but it should fill the role as the perked Italian ride. The G.55 would be a fine choice as far more were produced - and we have not even had the debate as to which model of the G.55 would be best. There was an "O" model with 1 x 20mm & 4 MGs, an "I" model with 3 x 20mm & 2 MGs, and a few other variants that flew in '44 (after the Italian surrender) as well.
The 109 set has plenty of stuff in it already. I don't see the need for the G-10 at all. I'd rather see some tweaking of the entire line by having the MG151 20mms fire at the correct ROF and I like the idea up the thread for having the 109G14 modeled with the higher performance DB605/ASM as we could definitely use 109s with better high altitude performance for B-29 hunting.
Yak 3 would be an interesting addition as well, although I wonder if anything can get people out of their La-7s.
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I would like the Yak 3 myself.
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thanks guys,the point here is some of these aircraft were great rides,and it would be nice to have them,they are historical aircraft that served in ww2,
As for someone saying they wernt made in quantities...put it all in perspective,the italian industry didnt make lots of tanks,or trucks,or ships,or planes. when you take total production of c-205,g-55,and re-2005 and combine them.you can see that the re-2005(of which is the least produced of three) make up about 9% of production.....in terms of bf 109 production of 20,000 plus aircraft 9% is a large number,etc etc. these made up a substantial number of production quantities and man hours in the italian industry...if we cant have these,why do we have the Ostwind of which only 45 were produced.or the wirlblewind of which only 80-105 were produced,they did not alter the war sugnificantly.the axis had other antiair vehicles made in more substantial numbers.
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plus 1 for all planes
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plus 1 for all planes
Agreed, I posted a thread about the G.55 - I know its been asked a few times, however I am choosing the G.55 based on being a Late war Ride, it would be flown more then say something mid war like a P39. True its a stop gap for Scenarios, however you don't see many P39s in the Late War Arena.
I figure on betting people will more likely up a G.55, and hoping people would vote on it rather then another early war ride.
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As for someone saying they wernt made in quantities...put it all in perspective,the italian industry didnt make lots of tanks,or trucks,or ships,or planes. when you take total production of c-205,g-55,and re-2005 and combine them.you can see that the re-2005(of which is the least produced of three) make up about 9% of production.
When you cherry pick data like that you are effectively lying. You can't just pick the 5 series fighters and hand wave the 0 and 2 series fighters out of existence to make it look like the Re2005 and G55 were more significant than they were.
Wikipedia's production numbers of Italian fighters:
C.200: 1153
CR.42: 1817
G.50: 791
Re2000: 180
Re2001: 252
C.202: 1200
Re2002: 225
C.205: 262
G.55: 274 (75 more post war)
Re2005: 48
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Regarding the Yak-3...this has been done to death. It would be almost identical to the Yak-9.
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Agreed, I posted a thread about the G.55 - I know its been asked a few times, however I am choosing the G.55 based on being a Late war Ride, it would be flown more then say something mid war like a P39. True its a stop gap for Scenarios, however you don't see many P39s in the Late War Arena.
I figure on betting people will more likely up a G.55, and hoping people would vote on it rather then another early war ride.
i kill 262 with P-39s, i have video proof too :D
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Regarding the Yak-3...this has been done to death. It would be almost identical to the Yak-9.
It would be smaller.
I think it would be slightly faster and more maneuverable.
How about a thread hijack?
Something I've wondered about late war uber-rides post war.....
I realise better, more modern jet aircraft were coming on the scene post war but where late war piston engined aircraft did see post war combat, where are some of these ultra-late war monsters?
Korea. P-51Ds. Not H's. Yak9U. Not Yak3.
No F8Fs. Replaced by F9Fs already.
What happened to all the P-63s in Manchuria? No resupplies I imagine.
I imagine between the end of manufacture and the speed of developing technology,they went away pretty fast.
wrongway
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Re-2005,Yak-3,G-55 fiat,Bf-109 G-10 :aok :airplane:
:salute flak
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and yes when you look at data,YES you can focus on one area..in this case the best most advanced fighyers produced by italy in ww2...the series 5 fighters....it wouldnt be very smart to compare the most advaces fighter to a bi-plane....but that is just what that other fellow did.......well sure,we could have biplanes.....but i dont want them now..not until we get an axis heavy bomber,and axis transport,som tank destroyes and some self propelled guns.....oh yeah,and what this thread was about...the best fighters NOT in the game.
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Axis didn't have a functional heavy bomber.
There has never been a need for a side specific transport in AH.
You referenced the "20,000" Bf109s as a comparison, and I assure you they were not all Bf109K-4s or Bf109G-10s, thus we were not just talking about the best fighters produced. (Actual Bf109 production was over 30,000, fyi)
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you guys can argue all day long.At the end of the day this country is about freedom..freedom of choice for one.and suppresion of real aircraft that were at the time considered the best in the line is a slap in the face to all those who fought in them and against them,and to the concept of freedom in the USA.freedom to choose what we fly.
Just FYI, you left your rights at the door when you signed up for a BBS account.
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And so it comes back to production numbers...ok lets really look. p-47m, 130 produced.ostwind,45 produced.wirblewind,85-105 produced.ta-152,43+6 prototypes produced. hmmm lets see...oh yeah, they are ALL in the game. re-2005 48+4 prototypes...not in the game. as for the question of an axis heavy bomber.....besides the he177 and the italian heavy bomber...your right,they didnt have a functioning heavy.....but they sure had better bombers than the ju-88......in quantity... check ju-188,do-217,etc. the fw200,he-111,do-17 had the same role as the ju-88........oh but wait...didnt they have a ju-88 without a glass nose and a bunch of cannon??
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And so it comes back to production numbers...ok lets really look. p-47m, 130 produced.ostwind,45 produced.wirblewind,85-105 produced.ta-152,43+6 prototypes produced.
What you miss about every single one of those is that they used either significant portions of existing geometry, or in the P-47M's case 100% of an existing aircraft's geometry. They were all cheap to add, workwise. Compare that to the G.55 and Re2005, both would need to be built from scratch as they cannot use any existing geometry in the game.
hmmm lets see...oh yeah, they are ALL in the game. re-2005 48+4 prototypes...not in the game. as for the question of an axis heavy bomber.....besides the he177 and the italian heavy bomber...your right,they didnt have a functioning heavy.....but they sure had better bombers than the ju-88......in quantity... check ju-188,do-217,etc. the fw200,he-111,do-17 had the same role as the ju-88........oh but wait...didnt they have a ju-88 without a glass nose and a bunch of cannon??
I have long advocated for the Ju188A. It is a gorgeous bomber. The Japanese H8K2 is another quasi-heavy that I have advocated for. My problem with the He177 is that it was an absolute disaster of a weapons program in reality and in AH it might well be the best unperked bomber. I don't like that sort of thing as it leads to a situation where it no longer feels like we're playing with WWII units. The P.108 simply came very late and in very small numbers.
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i thought the yak-3 would be great for this game,it was feared by the luftwaffe for a bit and i believe they were told not to engage them.it was an upgrade to the yak-9 i believe in terms of pure dogfighter.....but of course the re-2005 is what i want to see first.
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i thought the yak-3 would be great for this game,it was feared by the luftwaffe for a bit and i believe they were told not to engage them.it was an upgrade to the yak-9 i believe in terms of pure dogfighter.....but of course the re-2005 is what i want to see first.
Depends on which Yak-9 we're talking about. It was much better than a Yak-9 with a VK-105 engine, but a Yak-9U with the VK-107 was about as good. It is too bad the Yak-3 with the VK-107 engine didn't make it in time for WWII. That version had very impressive performance.
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At the end of the day this country is about freedom..freedom of choice for one.and suppresion of real aircraft that were at the time considered the best in the line is a slap in the face to all those who fought in them and against them,and to the concept of freedom in the USA.freedom to choose what we fly.
First, I agree that all the AC you cite would be great to have.
Second, I'm chuckling over the transit you're making between the concept of political freedom and the customer/provider relationship we have with HTC. The two are far different constructs.
Don't believe it? Go try telling your municipality you're dissatisfied with their services and that you'd like to cancel and try their competitor. Go try telling the IRS you'd like to "opt out" of the contract.
Third, I'm not sure the premise still applies anyway - but we'd probably best to not get into the whole dependency culture thing, for fear of a wooden Skuzzy shampoo.
Fourth, KEEP PUSHING FOR THESE FABULOUS AXIS RIDES - especially my pet lost cause, the G-10.
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.At the end of the day this country is about freedom..freedom of choice for one.and suppresion of real aircraft that were at the time considered the best in the line is a slap in the face to all those who fought in them and against them,and to the concept of freedom in the USA.freedom to choose what we fly.
say wha???? :headscratch: :headscratch:
Freedom to babel about nothing?
I'm sure the authors of the bill of rights thought that they had to construct it so that HTC will ensure freedom of cartoon ww2 aircraft :rolleyes:
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To respond to PJgodzilla and a few other about freedom....first,i have no mortgage,no water bill,no sewer bill,no creditcard debt,no loans,no car paymnets....i have a large property with house on a mountain overlookin a lake,and have to pay taxes.even though i paid cash for all of this,if i fail to pay taxes,it all gets taken away,you dont own land in the usa..you only rent it.....so will we ALL are only renting to various degrees,i want to have fun...and this is the only online game i have ever played. and i would love to see these and other great planes in it.
LOL i guess i have too much time on my hands <S>
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but they sure had better bombers than the ju-88......in quantity... check ju-188,do-217,etc. the fw200,he-111,do-17 had the same role as the ju-88........oh but wait...didnt they have a ju-88 without a glass nose and a bunch of cannon??
The FW 200 was the "Condor", it was not a bomber but rather a civilian passenger aircraft pressed into service that served as a long range recce/anti-maritime patrol craft and was not comparable to the Ju 88 in any shape or form and was not better than the Ju 88 as a bomber. The only thing the Condor had on the Ju 88 was that it could stay in the air for a lot longer period of time, that's it.
Do some research into the planes you wish for.
ack-ack
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To respond to PJgodzilla and a few other about freedom....first,i have no mortgage,no water bill,no sewer bill,no creditcard debt,no loans,no car paymnets....i have a large property with house on a mountain overlookin a lake,and have to pay taxes.even though i paid cash for all of this,if i fail to pay taxes,it all gets taken away,you dont own land in the usa..you only rent it.....so will we ALL are only renting to various degrees,i want to have fun...and this is the only online game i have ever played. and i would love to see these and other great planes in it.
LOL i guess i have too much time on my hands <S>
Well, you make yet another point in the direction of my allusion to "the premise" - see above. As I say, i'm not sure what any of that has to do with the customer/provider relationship b/w us/you and HTC.
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PBY-5A :noid
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and yes another ack ack fine post,i did some research for you ack ack. i have to tell you the FW200 did serve in the armed forces in ww 2,it carry bombs,it also dropped those bombs in combat.and the germans themselves labeled it as an anti-shipping BOMBER.....if we ever get a mostly sea map with ports and small island bases, convoys,Q-ships,sea planes and flying boats would be freaky fun!!! fw-200 would fit right in.as we dont have any of those planes,map,or extra ships right now,the next best thing is to work with what we do have,and the re-2005,g-55,yak-3,109g-10 would be great...if i wanted to stretch that list a little i would ask for 2 japanese planes as well....the j2m3 fighter and the twin engined attack a/c......the emily would have to wait.
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Well my argument will lay in the fact your all asking for the same type of plane we have many of... Medium land based bombers!
We need some thing NEW that isn't like other things... PBY-5A it's different, important, and made in LARGE quantities. It even server in almost all allied forces. :noid
<S> I just want a fresh plane not something to blend into the crowd
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The PBY5a is no more important than the SBC-4 is.
(Read: It's not very)
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Oh really Krusty? You want to tell that to the THOUSANDS of people saved by them? Or how about the Black Cats? That's a fairly famous squadron. What a famous SBC-4 squadron? What did they accomplish?
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Oh really Krusty? You want to tell that to the THOUSANDS of people saved by them? Or how about the Black Cats? That's a fairly famous squadron. What a famous SBC-4 squadron? What did they accomplish?
I believe that was his point.
wrongway
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and yes another ack ack fine post,i did some research for you ack ack. i have to tell you the FW200 did serve in the armed forces in ww 2,it carry bombs,it also dropped those bombs in combat.and the germans themselves labeled it as an anti-shipping BOMBER.....if we ever get a mostly sea map with ports and small island bases, convoys,Q-ships,sea planes and flying boats would be freaky fun!!! fw-200 would fit right in.as we dont have any of those planes,map,or extra ships right now,the next best thing is to work with what we do have,and the re-2005,g-55,yak-3,109g-10 would be great...if i wanted to stretch that list a little i would ask for 2 japanese planes as well....the j2m3 fighter and the twin engined attack a/c......the emily would have to wait.
The point wasn't whether or not the FW 200 saw combat, it clearly did as a long range recce, anti-maritime (anti-shipping), patrol and VIP transport. However, it was not superior to the Ju 88 in any fashion other than being able to fly longer ranges. The FW 200 carried far less of a bombload than the Ju 88, wasn't as fast nor as versatile as a bomber and the Ju 88 was far better suited in the anti-shipping role than the Condor. Somewhere around mid-1941, the Condor crews were instructed not to attack shipping and to avoid combat at all costs to preserve their limited numbers. Once the Allied convoys started to increase the range of convoy CAPs and using escort carriers to help protect the convoys, the FW 200 was closer to extinction than the California Condor.
It would be a nice plane for scenarios but in any of the arenas it would be outclassed by existing bombers and would end up a true hanger queen. It would be probably the only plane in the plane set that would only see use in scenarios. It's one of those planes that would be nice to have eventually but there is no pressing need for it and it doesn't fill any of the missing gaps.
ack-ack
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I gues ack ack is having a hard time staying on point, this wish is for several italian,russian and german fighter planes,NOT for the fw200.and having said that,thank you for your last reply stating that the fw200 was a bomber over the ocean,mainly for shipping and would be good in a sea map type setup due to its long range and similiar loadout to the ju-88. thanks, but that will be in another wish,this is about new fighter planes
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I gues ack ack is having a hard time staying on point, this wish is for several italian,russian and german fighter planes,NOT for the fw200.and having said that,thank you for your last reply stating that the fw200 was a bomber over the ocean,mainly for shipping and would be good in a sea map type setup due to its long range and similiar loadout to the ju-88. thanks, but that will be in another wish,this is about new fighter planes
ack ack was not having a hard time staying on topic. He was correcting previous posts that YOU made because you did very little research into your request.
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lol mk.hows this for some research. most people look on the net and find a bunch of sources.i have been researching the re-2005 since 1998,when i had a chances to look at the italian national archeives in rome..no easy task as they are not on film or computer. not only that just about every year since 1998 i have talked to surviving ground personnel,pilots and even factory workers in italy about the experiences they had with the re-2005. i also located 1 part in the cave system on the island of ponza for the restoration of the only tailsection of an re2005 .i have also done various research on the german occupation the holding of benito mussolini and various other aspects of the island of ponza. ponza has many shipwrecks and part of the islands houses have sunk into the sea and you can dive to them.also 2 castles there and what is left of an underground acuaduct that worked for about 1000 yrs from roman time to mid 1950's so i think i have a bit more info on this subject of the re-2005 than the average american with his internet connection,LOL
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Broil me alive if I'm wrong, but I thought one of these wished-for Italian birds share the same basic airframe as a c205? (Which would mean easier to bring into AH)
Also, Karnak, about the G-10/K4 thing, what we really had was a bunch of pixels that made vroom vroom & piu piu sounds. :joystick: It performed like a G-10 would, some people (especially the new players that are Luft fans) would be tickled pink to have the 20mil option back on the only Luft bird capable of climbing with Spits (well, supposed to anyway) and catching up to LA-7's, Typhs, Runstangs, ect.
+1 to the OP
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i also located 1 part in the cave system on the island of ponza for the restoration of the only tailsection of an re2005 .
ponza has many shipwrecks and part of the islands houses have sunk into the sea and you can dive to them.also 2 castles there and what is left of an underground acuaduct that worked for about 1000 yrs from roman time to mid 1950's so i think i have a bit more info on this subject of the re-2005 than the average american with his internet connection,LOL
As for that tailsection, wasn't the Reggiane the one with the tearaway tail? I think I read somewhere that the empennage could fail on higher-g pullouts.
Otherwise, I know why that Island sunk - it was built on a Ponza scheme (har, har).
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LOL, hey thats a good one. the problem with the tail and vibration turned out to be a stupid mistake...it wasnt balanced properly(wrong weight), once it was balanced it could dive to just over 600mph speed and still recover without breaking into very small bits with a scream of aaaaaahhhhhhhh!......ah..that would make it as good in a dive or better than a p-51.p-47 or fw 190....as for the real tail section the part i found was a small simple fitting but only used on this plane.It was in a blocked off cave on ponza...no ponzi scheme,lol. i also recovered a german proofed cz-27 pistol in holster a beretta 38 submachingun,,,missing pieces.some documents,and misc items non military related although one is a russian wristwatch with gold case.
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It performed like a G-10 would, some people (especially the new players that are Luft fans) would be tickled pink to have the 20mil option back on the only Luft bird capable of climbing with Spits (well, supposed to anyway) and catching up to LA-7's, Typhs, Runstangs, ect.
+1 to the OP
No, it performed exactly the same as the Bf109K-4 we have in AH now. A Bf109G-10 should top out at about 425mph, not 452mph.
Also, the Bf109G-14 climbs just dandy. It's problem is when it needs to intercept a bomber raid and escorts at 25,000ft and that is why we need a Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS and also why the Bf109G-10 doesn't help, it actually entered service after the Bf109K-4.
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No, it performed exactly the same as the Bf109K-4 we have in AH now. A Bf109G-10 should top out at about 425mph, not 452mph.
Also, the Bf109G-14 climbs just dandy. It's problem is when it needs to intercept a bomber raid and escorts at 25,000ft and that is why we need a Bf109G-6/AS or Bf109G-14/AS and also why the Bf109G-10 doesn't help, it actually entered service after the Bf109K-4.
Accepted and resolved:
1. the g-14 climb rate up to 20k is fabulous and accurate
2. the as variant would allow for better high alt performance on the 14 variant, thus filling a gap in the 109 inventory for a 20mil 109 that can hang at alt
Question:
1. What is wrong with the published 452mph (some sources, e.g. Angelucci/Matricardi I have here) number for the k-4 (I recognize this is likely a reiteration for you).
2. Why would a 20 mil k-4 variant (which sounds suspiciously undifferentiated from the G-10) not also fill the high-alt 20-mil niche as would the AS varaints of g-14 and g-6?
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There is nothing wrong with the 452mph speed for the Bf109K-4. Before the Bf109s were updated to AH2 standards, the Bf109G-10 did 452mph, which is faster than the Bf109G-10 should be. Pyro, if I recall correctly, stated that they had made a Bf109K-4 and just called it a Bf109G-10 so they could give it the 20mm engine gun option. In AH2 they are being much more rigorous in making the aircraft accurate. See also the changes to the Spitfire Mk IX from its AH1 model to its AH2 model.
The problem with the Bf109G-10 as a gap filler is that it doesn't enter service until November of 1944, too late to be used in settings where the Germans need a Bf109 that performs better at altitude. It can't really be used as a stand in because its performance is significantly better than the Bf109G-6/AS it would be standing it for. It also doesn't solve anything because by the time it enters service the Bf109K-4, with higher performance and good altitude performance, is already available.
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It also doesn't solve anything because by the time it enters service the Bf109K-4, with higher performance and good altitude performance, is already available.
I'd accept this as almost completely correct but g-10 would provide a late-late war option for a slightly less than k-4 with better ballistics. Admittedly, this is a vanishingly small niche need in scenario but would doubtless be quite popular in the Transformers world of the MA.
Otherwise, color me convinced on the 14/AS though the 6/AS is only going to please me in scenario play.
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i think i have a bit more info on this subject of the re-2005 than the average american with his internet connection,LOL
Well I would expect so since you are over there in Italy! Seriously though - whatever happened to the Reggiane company itself? You would think SOMEBODY still has specifications, or operations manuals or something packed away. There are a number of sites where us average americans with our internet connections can get access to plenty of luftwaffe blueprints and manuals (our big problem is translating the stuff from german). There are notes that the 2005 was evaluated by germany, so I wonder if the records of that evaluation are out there someplace.
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Well I would expect so since you are over there in Italy! Seriously though - whatever happened to the Reggiane company itself? You would think SOMEBODY still has specifications, or operations manuals or something packed away. There are a number of sites where us average americans with our internet connections can get access to plenty of luftwaffe blueprints and manuals (our big problem is translating the stuff from german). There are notes that the 2005 was evaluated by germany, so I wonder if the records of that evaluation are out there someplace.
Yes, and that data is going to be the key to the Sagitarrio rearing its inverted vee here. There's a subtext here, Alpini. You could probably help move the mountain if you could make good with some data.