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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: EskimoJoe on May 11, 2011, 01:45:43 AM
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Need I say more?
(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/weapons/palestine/katyusha.jpg)
From Wikipedia : (Note, numbers may not be precise)
"Katyusha multiple rocket launchers (Russian: Катюша) are a type of rocket artillery first built and fielded by the Soviet Union in World War II. Compared to other artillery, these multiple rocket launchers deliver a devastating amount of explosives to an area target quickly, but with lower accuracy and requiring a longer time to reload. They are fragile compared to artillery guns, but inexpensive and easy to produce. Katyushas of World War II, the first self-propelled artillery mass-produced by the Soviet Union,[1] were usually mounted on trucks. This mobility gave Katyushas (and other self-propelled artillery) another advantage: being able to deliver a large blow all at once, and then move before being located and attacked with counter-battery fire."
"By the end of 1941, there were eight regiments, 35 independent battalions, and two independent batteries in service, fielding a total of 554 launchers."
"By the end of 1942, 57 regiments were in service—together with the smaller independent battalions, this was the equivalent of 216 batteries: 21% BM-8 light launchers, 56% BM-13, and 23% M-30 heavy launchers. By the end of the war, the equivalent of 518 batteries were in service."
I'll top it all off with a cherry on top. Youtube, anyone?
http://youtu.be/iRhv9_jHDhk
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spawn with 20 in these, kill the town from the spawn, spawn M3. Game over.
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gesundheit! :)
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+1
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+2 Always loved it.
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What diameter rockets did it use? Would it be the same as a soft M4 Callopie? Or does it have longer range and bigger rockets? I've never really read up on it.
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What diameter rockets did it use? Would it be the same as a soft M4 Callopie? Or does it have longer range and bigger rockets? I've never really read up on it.
From Wikipedia yet again (quickest source)
RS-derived M-8 and M-13 rockets were used by the famous Katyusha rocket artillery.
M-8 - improved RS-82 with a much larger warhead (0.64 kg (1.4 lb) of explosives) and rocket motor for BM-8 Katyusha
M-13 - improved RS-132 with a much larger warhead (4.9 kg (10.8 lb) of explosives) and rocket motor for BM-13 Katyusha, could also be carried by Ilyushin Il-2
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Good wish... but....
Evidently you've not used the German 28cm rockets from the SdKfz 251 yet? With an M3 close by with gv supplies handy, you have plenty of ammo to take down a town, but there is a major trump card that is dealt your way....
figuring out the range, getting close enough to be accurate enough, and then avoiding auto ack and the enemy.
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Ok I've looked up some information and if your information about tue rockets is correct then that mean the M4 Callopie is more powerful. You said it has a 10lb rocket while the M4 we have is mounted with our fighters M8 rockets witch have a 40lb warhead, much more powerful. But the Kayusha still have more range due to it's lighter rocket making it better suited to kill towns from out of range of the ack.
I got the info on the rockets from here
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/45in-rockets.html
Another important question is how many rockets could it carry? The Callopie has 60 more powerful rockets. What would offset people from the Callopie to use the Kayusha?
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Another important question is how many rockets could it carry? The Callopie has 60 more powerful rockets. What would offset people from the Callopie to use the Kayusha?
Unsure how many rockets it would carry.
Otherwise, the Katyusha is a smaller target (though lightly armored), and would be far faster
than the M4 with Calliope. Plus the Katyusha is prettier and has the all-around coolness factor.
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Hehe +1 for the coolness of an American pickup truck with Russian rockets :banana:
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It's a Russian made truck I believe :old:
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Even tho its a dam good idea, how could it be used in AH?
Since it cant kill anything, only shell larger structures with rockets (just like how the rocket m4 does it), it would be an one shot weapon, spawn, fire, bail. Thoughts?
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There's about 50 people, in game, that have the skills to figure out that kind of distance and trajectory....... It would never happen. :aok
spawn with 20 in these, kill the town from the spawn, spawn M3. Game over.
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It would be a great squad tool.
Spawn in with 10 or 15 of these at an undefended base,
barrage the town, and hopefully get a good fight going!
It'd be a blast to have in game, pun not intended!
The way I see it, the Katyusha would be nothing like the
SKD or calliope we have in-game already. It would be much
faster, and I believe the angle of the rails were adjustable.
One could simply drive to within good visual range of town
and blast away.
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It would be a great squad tool.
Spawn in with 10 or 15 of these at an undefended base,
barrage the town, and hopefully get a good fight going!
It'd be a blast to have in game, pun not intended!
good point there
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I'd like to see the vTARDs use the SdKfz 251 in horde form.... oh wait.... that would take a bit of skill and some actual tactics to use the 251's 28cm rockets. :D
The best thing would be to get a fighter to go and de-ack the town first, then rush in with 6-10 251's with rockets and 3 gv supplies each. I've done it paired with another 251, but between the 2 of us and all of our supps (18 rockets each), we didnt get the town down. We got lots of buildings destroyed and were wasting away our MG ammo when a Lgay upped and sent us packing. Those 28cm rockets are devistating, no doubt. The learning curve is loarger than one may think.
The Soviet trucks would be even more fragile than the 251 (even .3o caliber MG's would rip trucks apart) , and it would have no way of resupplying itself. There is information showing an early way model with 16 rockets mounted on rails, and a late war variant with (up to) 48 rockets able to be fired in a single volley.
I vote "back burner" until the German SdKfz 251 and the 28cm rockets see more use. I do like th idea though. :aok
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It's a Russian made truck I believe :old:
Most commonly found on Studebakers I believe....................
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I have thought about this before. It would be neat if you had a scout jeep close to the town spotting. Then a function would appear in the rocket equipped vehicles clip board That new function would allow it to see it's shots on the map and also allow it to make corrections with mouse clicks on the map. Kinda like using the main guns on the destroyer in land mode used to be. Nothing super accurate but close enough to see results.
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+1 to Da Boomz BoomZ :aok
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SLvtP6KMUM
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There's about 50 people, in game, that have the skills to figure out that kind of distance and trajectory....... It would never happen. :aok
Blind squirrel gets an acorn every now and then.
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I'm all for this for just the sound effects alone and the jabo guys wouldn't mind at all since it'd
be an easy kill.
Perhaps set it up so that a certain number of them need to be within specific distances of each
other in order to use 'em. ie: six sets / six GVers; similar in setup maybe to an artillery battery.....
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Yes!
The sound of the Katyusha rockets makes me want to poo myself and run the other direction...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0nIqZgnp60
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Yes!
The sound of the Katyusha rockets makes me want to poo myself and run the other direction...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0nIqZgnp60
Curiously enough... The Nebelwerfer makes the same sound??
We may never know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaPaq9UN8_I
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Not that I know but I'm not sure if the camera crews of that era had a guy to record sounds with them, but the cameras did not have the ability to record sound.
Those sounds were likely added by a sound technician in later era and they could have even used the same general sound batch to do that.
-C+
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Good idea. They were used at Stalingrad with ledges. How strong is a rocket? Also how many rockets can they hold? :aok
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There's about 50 people, in game, that have the skills to figure out that kind of distance and trajectory....... It would never happen. :aok
I'm thinking that using a spotter plane would alleviate the problem of determining the range. Said spotter merely
calls "mark" when he's directly over the town. The ground vehicles then form up around the lead GV,
all pointing their snouts at the town, and presto, rocket barrage.
I'd posted in the "Help" area of the BBS when I couldn't figure out how to fire the rockets on
the SdKfz 251. I got my answer along with this caveat, which I've not yet tried. If you select
to carry vehicle supplies on it, you can, per the post, rearm and fire another salvo. Hell, if that
does work, and it only takes a single vehicle supply to do that, one might be able to launch
-10- salvos per vehicle at a town...
The more I think about this, the more I like it. Think of ten or twenty of these things, firing
rockets, reloading, firing again, and again , and...well, you get the idea. I need to
try this out. :D
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I'm thinking that using a spotter plane would alleviate the problem of determining the range. Said spotter merely
calls "mark" when he's directly over the town. The ground vehicles then form up around the lead GV,
all pointing their snouts at the town, and presto, rocket barrage.
We need "hopper" or "grashopper" planes. :airplane:
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I'm thinking that using a spotter plane would alleviate the problem of determining the range. Said spotter merely
calls "mark" when he's directly over the town. The ground vehicles then form up around the lead GV,
all pointing their snouts at the town, and presto, rocket barrage.
I'd posted in the "Help" area of the BBS when I couldn't figure out how to fire the rockets on
the SdKfz 251. I got my answer along with this caveat, which I've not yet tried. If you select
to carry vehicle supplies on it, you can, per the post, rearm and fire another salvo. Hell, if that
does work, and it only takes a single vehicle supply to do that, one might be able to launch
-10- salvos per vehicle at a town...
The more I think about this, the more I like it. Think of ten or twenty of these things, firing
rockets, reloading, firing again, and again , and...well, you get the idea. I need to
try this out. :D
I'm a bit of a math nerd, so please excuse my outburst of numbers.
Just knowing the range to the plane won't cut it- you'd also have to either evaluate this equation:
let x equal the range to target (unknown)
let a equal the measure of the angle formed by the ray drawn from the launcher to the plane and the ray drawn from the launcher to the target (known)
let d equal the range to the spotter plane (known)
x=d *cos (a)
or this one, if you know the altitude of the plane:
let x equal the range to target (unknown)
let a equal the measure of the segment formed between the plane and the target (known)
let d equal the range to the spotter plane (known)
x2=d2-a2
Then you'd have to account for the huge rounding errors incurred by the AH2 distance system, and the probable imperfection of the right triangle at hand. However, if you've managed to coordinate the whole shenanigan and not get shot while doing it, then your talents would probably find better use elsewhere.
:neener:
-Penguin
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Penguin, wouldn't you have to use quadratics (parabolic equations [curvature]) and not just Trig (Angles and lines)?
EDIT: Of course, you'll have to know the Trig, also. But I never said you didn't. Just clarifying before everyone jumps on it.
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Penguin, wouldn't you have to use quadratics (parabolic equations [curvature]) and not just Trig (Angles and lines)?
EDIT: Of course, you'll have to know the Trig, also. But I never said you didn't. Just clarifying before everyone jumps on it.
I assume that we are firing from the Sdkfz. 251
The parabolic equations are moot because the angle of the rocket launchers is non-variable once the sortie has begun. You do bear a point, however, calculating the trajectoy would become a factor when shooting on uneven terrain. However, if we assume that the angle stated in the hangar is the firing angle with a negligable amount of deviance, then one only needs to know the maximum range.
-Penguin
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Expo marker, and quite a bit of spraying...nuff said. :cheers:
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Expo marker, and quite a bit of spraying...nuff said. :cheers:
I have no clue what you mean by that.
-Penguin
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:D
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,268356.0.html
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I never recall hitting something accurately. Even when the range is given. :bhead