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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mijoieau on May 19, 2011, 03:57:07 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNT2UijpCMs&feature=fvsr
NISSAN GTR vs some american muscle or handbag cars.
Forkit
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Buy a ZR1 and call it a day, it crushes the GTR. Not to mention that Nissan is as ugly as something my cat threw up yesterday.
ZR1 smokes GTR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC-PQca6FJU&feature=related)
ZR-1 smokes Nissan GTR, Porsche GT2, and Ferrari 599 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZlGMX8G3B4&feature=relmfu)
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GTR? Overpriced and made by one of the most unreliable auto makers in the World, outside of Suzuki and Mitsubishi.
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No thanks I'll stick with American muscle....
(http://www.carlustblog.com/images/2008/11/01/129113.jpg)
SSC Ultimate Aero
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No thanks I'll stick with American muscle....
(http://www.carlustblog.com/images/2008/11/01/129113.jpg)
SSC Ultimate Aero
Looks uncannily like
(http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu108/metallldan/Mclarendorrsopen.gif)
Mclaren F1
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At last years Cobra roundup, there was a GTR there being used for a pace car. One of the Cobra owners asked the GTR owner how close to the back of the car he could get.
The GTR owner laughed and said, "Catch me if you can".
Well, the track was made up of a lot of turns, with one stretch of straight away that made up about 30% of the course. It was enough. The Cobras had a field day. The GTR would absolutely out handle the Cobras, but in the straight, the Cobras would eat the GTR up.
Every Cobra would blow passed the GTR at the exit of the turn into the straight. When the race was over, the GTR owner did not stop in the pits. He just left and we have not seen him again.
It was a good day. :)
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Hehehe good story.
Many cars tend to look more alike these days...... wind tunnel testing.
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The GTR would absolutely out handle the Cobras, but in the straight, the Cobras would eat the GTR up.
Yep, strap a rocket on a brick a call it a car :rofl. Its the combo of turning, breaking, accelerating, keeping the driver alive, etc that makes a good race car. Anyone can cause a big explosion behind a bath tub and go fast in it in the desert.
That been said :rofl :rofl :rofl at the mustang.
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Not Mustangs. Original Cobras. Only a noob calls a Mustang a Cobra. If you are going to make nonsense remarks, which have no bearing in reality, at least get the facts together before you do. Sheesh.
It was a road course. And yes, the driver makes a huge difference. Duh. In case you missed the point (you seemed to have done so), the GTR driver was the one with the big mouth. The Cobra folks just took care of business.
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Not Mustangs. Original Cobras. Only a noob calls a Mustang a Cobra. If you are going to make nonsense remarks, which have no bearing in reality, at least get the facts together before you do. Sheesh.
It was a road course. And yes, the driver makes a huge difference. Duh. In case you missed the point (you seemed to have done so), the GTR driver was the one with the big mouth. The Cobra folks just took care of business.
ok, but I was laughing at the mustang at the video and never mentioned anything about the driver making a difference (although I agree on that). I think you missed my point. It is easy to make something go fast in a straight line. It takes a lot more to make it go fast and keep the driver alive when turning, breaking etc. So, what do we do to compete? We don;t make better cars. We just make the tracks straight or with a shallow left turn :aok
But hey, it is not like we are both biased. We will agree that Fords don't suck after a few posts :)
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Well, except this particular track was a real 3/4 mile road course, which only had one short straight away, and the Cobras still clobbered the GTR.
The race courses the Cobras did all thier winning on were not straight, nor roundy-round. They beat up European cars on European road courses.
Are the Cobras a brute force approach? You bet they are. Does that make it a bad thing? Nope. They always had to meet the criteria for the race they entered. Criteria set by European countries.
You are right. I do not get your post. I was talking about Cobras successfully beating a GTR on a road course. You want to talk about something with a rocket attached to it, and how it can only run on straight tracks. I really do not know where that came from, nor what it was supposed to address. Is there something in the video about that? I cannot see the video.
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You are right. I do not get your post. I was talking about Cobras successfully beating a GTR on a road course. You want to talk about something with a rocket attached to it, and how it can only run on straight tracks. I really do not know where that came from, nor what it was supposed to address. Is there something in the video about that? I cannot see the video.
The video is a straight line and the Mustang having the most HP from the three cars came in not last but totally out of the competition, so you can imagine what would happen if there was a turn involved. That and the fact that I did own a mustang and if I had to turn or the road was a little wet, that thing was all over the place. So, that is why I made my comment. Was just making the point that it is easy to drop a huge engine in any car. Can you make the car also handle the power or actually deliver that power to the wheels? That is a little harder and something we don't do here. Were those Cobras original or had they been modified to handle better? If they had been, in my opinions, they were not Cobras anymore.
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Ok, now it makes sense. I was missing the context of your post.
The Cobras were not modified. They are also not 1960 vintage, but the new ones built by Shelby and Kirkham, which are tooled from the originals. The underpinnings are all stock. The original Cobras beat Ferraris on thier own turf. That is what they were built to do.
Cobras are a handful to drive. They have a rear weight bias, coupled with very high torque, high horsepower engines and a short wheelbase. You can swap the ends in a Cobra faster than you can blink, especially in turns. Trailing throttle need not apply. :)
The Cobra is the only American car to win the World Manufacturers Racing Cup. It did it two years in a row, but the second win (they took the top 3 spots) was disqualified, by the over seeing authority, by virtue of a rule change for the event, after the event was finished.
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World Manufacturers Racing Cup ???
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the last Viper coming out looks stunning, and is rumored to be packed a 12 cylinder 8.6ltr 750hp hennesey tuned engine. wish i could afford it. :pray
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Ok, now it makes sense. I was missing the context of your post.
The Cobras were not modified. They are also not 1960 vintage, but the new ones built by Shelby and Kirkham, which are tooled from the originals. The underpinnings are all stock. The original Cobras beat Ferraris on thier own turf. That is what they were built to do.
Cobras are a handful to drive. They have a rear weight bias, coupled with very high torque, high horsepower engines and a short wheelbase. You can swap the ends in a Cobra faster than you can blink, especially in turns. Trailing throttle need not apply. :)
The Cobra is the only American car to win the World Manufacturers Racing Cup. It did it two years in a row, but the second win (they took the top 3 spots) was disqualified, by the over seeing authority, by virtue of a rule change for the event, after the event was finished.
Haha, based on the video I assumed the "Mustang" Cobra since it was a mustang vs a Nisan in the film. :rofl I was like WTH is he talking about a Cobra beating it. After your second post you got me thinking that maybe you were about a 1960 Shelby :rofl
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World Manufacturers Racing Cup ???
Also known as the FIA World Championship. The Cobras won it in 1965. Keep in mind, Enzo had pulled team Ferrari from all FIA events as they could not compete against the Cobra and the car Ferrari built to beat the Cobra would not be sanctioned by the FIA. So Ferrari dropped out in 1965.
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Also known as the FIA World Championship. The Cobras won it in 1965. Keep in mind, Enzo had pulled team Ferrari from all FIA events as they could not compete against the Cobra and the car Ferrari built to beat the Cobra would not be sanctioned by the FIA. So Ferrari dropped out in 1965.
I remember that Skuzzy,my uncle was a Ford guy,as in worked for the company.He told me ford had tried to buy Ferrari but Enzo said no so Ford decided to go out and beat Ferrari.
That was the start of the GT40 program! Meanwhile this texan with a bad heart had bought all thess english AC carbodies!
For some reason he thought he could make a car outta thos AC bodies,if they only had an engine!!!!
:salute
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the last Viper coming out looks stunning, and is rumored to be packed a 12 cylinder 8.6ltr 750hp hennesey tuned engine. wish i could afford it. :pray
id like the fuel bill for a year. irregardless of how much its driven.... 12 cylnders, 8.6l and 750 hp takes a lot of fuel to keep running. and itd probably have to be 93 octane.
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id like the fuel bill for a year. irregardless of how much its driven.... 12 cylnders, 8.6l and 750 hp takes a lot of fuel to keep running. and itd probably have to be 93 octane.
We have several daily driver 600 to 800 RWHP camaros in the club. You'd be surprised how efficient they can be for the HP and TQ they put out..
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dont know what Camaros are getting off the lot, but just out of curiosity and chits and giggles care to share some of their MPG off the lot and with all that power?
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the last Viper coming out looks stunning, and is rumored to be packed a 12 cylinder 8.6ltr 750hp hennesey tuned engine. wish i could afford it. :pray
Trust me. You don’t.
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Trust me. You don’t.
:rofl
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Trust me. You don’t.
The viper has allways been my favorite sports/muscle car.
trust me, i do.
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The viper has allways been my favorite sports/muscle car.
trust me, i do.
this post has me wondering.do you have your license? if so...you must have a good paying job.
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Not sure it is a job thing. I know a lot of hot rod owners who live very minimalistic lives. They live to put the next best part on their car. They are the American hot rodders.
I recall one morning at a Cobra breakfast gathering we were sitting and talking, enjoying the breakfast. Then this guy walks up and starts ranting, "Do you have any idea of the resources you guys waste and the damage to the environment you are doing with those cars!?!!?"
We looked at each other and started laughing (about 16 of us). Then one of our guys turns to the ranter and says, "I think the only damage might be the broken nose you are about to suffer if you do not leave us be." Immediately, everyone at the tables turns to look at this ranter.
He quietly backed away. We started laughing again.
Yes, the Cobra is as about environmentally friendly as a range fire, but from my perspective it represents something we should not just throw away. Some of you will know what I mean.
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(http://aston-martin.my3gb.com/images/3-aston-martin-closed.jpg)
Real Car..
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If somoene has to rant or have a problem with the environmental impact and sustainability of a weekend hot-rod, don't (or in that case, do) bring up the subject of toilet paper (and ask him if his american keister uses double or triple-ply).
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this post has me wondering.do you have your license? if so...you must have a good paying job.
yes i have my licence.
and it wouldnt be my daily point a to point B ride.
more like a "weekend warrior", i believe the phrase is?
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The viper has allways been my favorite sports/muscle car.
trust me, i do.
It is a dog. I've driven 2 on a track for my job (hopped up GTS-R's by Roush) and an RT/10 for fun at another old job. Trust me, they are NOT worth the money.
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It is a dog. I've driven 2 on a track for my job (hopped up GTS-R's by Roush) and an RT/10 for fun at another old job. Trust me, they are NOT worth the money.
thats your opinion of it,
ive driven an 06 srt10 version. and i love it.
to each his own.
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I just finished doing meth. injection, air-water intercooling, and a nitrous system on a track day viper and it was still a dog.
It takes a very good driver (and a small one) to make this car fast on the track.
I also worked on a supercharged Z06 vette with meth injection and, though it had much less horsepower, it felt much faster.
I'm pretty sure I can shove an improved touring 240z around a track as fast as either of them.
Once you have a supercharger on these two cars, there is zero room for anything and that is something I just would not live with on a personal car.
Same goes for the terminator supercharged mustangs.
I've owned at least two 300,000+ mile 300zx turbos and have never run a nissan engine with less than 100,000 miles yet I get insane power levels from them for years at a time.
As a nissan, toyota, and lexus master technician, I just am not seeing the reliability issues people talk about with these cars.
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Corvette ZR1 vs Nissan GTR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uORyZI1VdU
gtr kicks its butt
Nissan R35 GT-R vs. Lamborghini Murcielago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2Vx5ZAuXgQ
go gtr!
Prices as 2010 gtr $80790.
ZR1 2010 price $107830
So with my $27000 saving ill hot up my GTR and then we will see what she can kick!
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(http://aston-martin.my3gb.com/images/3-aston-martin-closed.jpg)
Real Car..
:aok
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BTW lanbo price is Murcielago Price: $599943
So when i hot up my GTR vs the lambo and spend 519900 on extras then imagine what i will get!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know everyone has a point of view but if its worth 500k then talk or go away and have your USA or wog machine and ill kick it out of the ball park!
Forkit
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If I had an extra 500k lying around I'd get an RV quickbuild kit and do more flying. As usual, everyone has their own priorities on how to allocate their own resources. My G8 GT (which I got so cheap I practically stole it) is a hot enough 4-door sedan that a supercar is far below an airplane on my list of stuff to spend money on, but the house, kids school funds, etc. are way above the plane on the list so I'll have to wait and keep saving, just in case.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNT2UijpCMs&feature=fvsr
NISSAN GTR vs some american muscle or handbag cars.
Forkit
i've seen the gtr on top gear. it's not all that really.
you've made the classic mistake of taking one manufacturers "top of the line" performance car, and comparing it to other manufacturers "mid-grade" performance cars.
the corvette......the zr1 i believe will eat pretty much anything alive.
the mustang.....they tested the base gt500. i don't know enough about the vettes to go into detail on them, but i can with the mustangs.
first off, you could take that base gt500, which costs $40k less, spend about $10-20k on it, and it will eat up the gtr.
second off, you could take the higher end gt500(800hp), still spend less than the gtr costs, and eat it alive. possibly the vettes too, although i'm not sure of that......where's getback when ya need him? :)
then there's the looks.......it almost looks like a pregnant rollerskate. the corvette, and mustang have style. beautiful lines. they flow. they make these cars look like they're doing 100mph, just sitting there. the mustang looks like it has a "get the eff outta my way before i eff you up" look on its face. the corvette has that "bah....you THINK you can keep up, but we all know better" look on its face. the gtr wants chocolate covered pickles. :rofl :noid
here..check out some shelbys....
http://www.shelbyautos.com/2011gt500.asp
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the last Viper coming out looks stunning, and is rumored to be packed a 12 cylinder 8.6ltr 750hp hennesey tuned engine. wish i could afford it. :pray
a friend of mine has a 96 coupe running about 850 or so to the back tires, and an 06 convertible running nearly 1200hp to the back tires. :aok
he's also got a 68 goat running about 700hp to the tires.
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Haha, based on the video I assumed the "Mustang" Cobra since it was a mustang vs a Nisan in the film. :rofl I was like WTH is he talking about a Cobra beating it. After your second post you got me thinking that maybe you were about a 1960 Shelby :rofl
there actually WAS a cobra package offered on the mustang. it wasn't really a mustang though, but rather a pinto-stang in the 70's. i think it had the mighty 175hp 5.0L. and some really groovy decals.
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dont know what Camaros are getting off the lot, but just out of curiosity and chits and giggles care to share some of their MPG off the lot and with all that power?
i've got a customer whose son lives in Massachusetts. he has a 2011mustang gt. he claimed 35mpg at about 80mph on the highway on his last drive down here to nj
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thats your opinion of it,
ive driven an 06 srt10 version. and i love it.
to each his own.
uumm....youi realize his "opinion" is based on facts, right?
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uumm....youi realize his "opinion" is based on facts, right?
I agree,my neighbour has a few Vets,a viper and a prowler..ya a prowler but he collects so I excuse him when it comes to that car.I think it has maybe 5K on the clock. His vet collection is extensive,last count was 19 but he's getting rid of some of the lesser priced cars.
My fav is his 67,dont like the color but the 427 make the color disappear! :rofl Now back to the subject,the viper is an 08 if it matters and his Z06,the daily driver is a 09/10, not sure, but from his mouth to Z06 is twice the car the viper could ever be!
He has some buddies that own all kinds of crazy rides and everyone of them say the same thing,Oh and the GTR,ya there 1 around on occassion.It's supposed to be the easiest "fast" car to drive,provided you dont get distracted playing with the dash! :rofl :rofl :rofl The average driver could be much faster in a GTR because the car does alot of the work for you. Same could be said for the Z06 I guess,he was slightly upset with me when I showed his wife how to disable the stability control in it!!! :lol
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uumm....youi realize his "opinion" is based on facts, right?
its his opinion formed through experiance.
theres those out there (like me) who have driven the viper and feel its not a "dog"
top gear thinks so too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeEBrOx12uQ
i just like the viper for the raw power behind it, the covette is way to subtle for me.
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hmm while the viper is ok.... I really don't see/feel the "raw" power you speak of.
There are some pretty nice ones in a club in Houston.
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its his opinion formed through experiance.
theres those out there (like me) who have driven the viper and feel its not a "dog"
top gear thinks so too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeEBrOx12uQ
i just like the viper for the raw power behind it, the covette is way to subtle for me.
honestly i like the looks of the viper, better than the vette.
but......if someone offered to give me either one that i wanted, based solely on overall performance........vette hands down.
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The Shelby Cobra has always been my lifelong dream car, there just out of my price range at this time in Life. But from what i have read there is another Car that was helped engineered and designed by an employee at Carrol Sheby's, the Sunbeam Tiger. Now that would be my second choice of a little muscle car to play around in, the V8 version was just scary fast but there cornering was not real good, with todays technology the suspension would be the first thing to upgrade to tame that power for the corners.
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s35/68zoom/sunbeamtiger.jpg)
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-shrug-
.. my Vette avg's 31mpg at 70
.. will do 13's in the quarter
.. corners so hard it hurts
..is downright scary to punch the brakes in a panic stop situation because it stops so fast.
..has 123k miles on it
..insurance is 3 dollars more every *6* months than my Nissan pickup is (both same coverage, same company)
..is a '97 coupe (C-5) with no add-ons .. yet.
..~3200lbs/345hp with 17x8.5 ft & 18x9.5 rear wheels with stickier tires than 'stock' all around
..cost $11.5k (can you say 'bang for buck?)
Of course I want more out of it
.. I plan to add a 427 LS motor (500+hp) in a couple years followed by a ProCharger (another 200+hp) and all the system upgrades that entails.
Goal is 700hp at the rear wheels .. fairly mild but that will do for me jest fine :)
There are members of our club here with dual turbo/methanol injected C-5 beasts that top 1100hp
..and still have not approached the GT-R's initial cost.
There are a couple of folks in the club that have newer iron very much beefed up that are probably in the GT-R's ballpark
for costs .. one is even a new black camaro SS .. supercharged 427, coil-overs, 1100hp .. scary to be close to when he punches it :)
Just sayin .. the GT-R .. I will never own one.
I'll just tinker a bit with my Vette and do just fine .. straight line, turns, stops .. it does it all very well and for a lot less.
And it looks *good* every day all day :)
-Frank aka GE
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I just finished doing meth. injection, air-water intercooling, and a nitrous system on a track day viper and it was still a dog.
It takes a very good driver (and a small one) to make this car fast on the track.
hmmm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inO-F5mbtKw
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I know I commited the sin of mentioning the Aston Martin as a "real car"
but...... I cant resist these two American Cars.... While not as sweet as a Merlin... their sounds..... :x :joystick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHHoYBKEvsg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgYYZXYABN0
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Talk about all these classic cars makes you want to watch the Bullitt car chase starring Steve McQueen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMc2RdFuOxI
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Talk about all these classic cars makes you want to watch the Bullitt car chase starring Steve McQueen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMc2RdFuOxI
back when they used to actually drive cars for the chase scenes.....
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Talk about all these classic cars makes you want to watch the Bullitt car chase starring Steve McQueen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMc2RdFuOxI
i think the Charger was a better car than the mustang. but thats just me.
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i think the Charger was a better car than the mustang. but thats just me.
in this instance, you're 100% correct.
they had to hold back in the charger in order for Steve McQueen to keep up in the mustang. the stang was a 68 gt390. i think, but i'm not sure....the charger was a 440. it was loads faster. i think they handled about equally.
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Aston does make limited edition monsters.
The Vantage V600 is one such car with the "600" meaning factory horsepower.
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One shot in the Bullit chase just cracks me up *every* time ..
Steve yanks the stang around a sharp right corner and blasts the throttle and the camera shows the stang do a one-wheel burnout off into the distance .. poor thing hadn't a chance of stayin with the charger's posi.
I useda run a '69 Road Runner (owned it for a lot of years ..family car, bracket racin when I could, lotta street races)
..2 years in I stuffed a 426 wedge under the hood usin 11:1 compression and found an inline dual carb manifold off a 413 ..I put two 625cfm carter AFB's on it and used the originial baseplate under the 'Coyote Duster' top plate.. if you looked at it it looked like a stock 383 'cept for the headers ..
-evil grin-
..I ran 4:30 gears behind the 4-speed .. and I never lost to a Mustang anything.
They were similar to corvettes of the era .. if they had horsepower, they had no traction (there weren't any street tires sticky enough to hook 'em).
If they hooked up it meant they had no horsepower to stave off the top end charge the Road Runner would put on 'em :) And if they had no posi .. it was *embarrasing* what I would do to them.
-GE aka Frank
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One shot in the Bullit chase just cracks me up *every* time ..
Steve yanks the stang around a sharp right corner and blasts the throttle and the camera shows the stang do a one-wheel burnout off into the distance .. poor thing hadn't a chance of stayin with the charger's posi.
I useda run a '69 Road Runner (owned it for a lot of years ..family car, bracket racin when I could, lotta street races)
..2 years in I stuffed a 426 wedge under the hood usin 11:1 compression and found an inline dual carb manifold off a 413 ..I put two 625cfm carter AFB's on it and used the originial baseplate under the 'Coyote Duster' top plate.. if you looked at it it looked like a stock 383 'cept for the headers ..
-evil grin-
..I ran 4:30 gears behind the 4-speed .. and I never lost to a Mustang anything.
They were similar to corvettes of the era .. if they had horsepower, they had no traction (there weren't any street tires sticky enough to hook 'em).
If they hooked up it meant they had no horsepower to stave off the top end charge the Road Runner would put on 'em :) And if they had no posi .. it was *embarrasing* what I would do to them.
-GE aka Frank
back then it meant somethign if you drove a mopar. it means something now too.....it just doesn't mean anything good now. :devil
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Not sure it is a job thing. I know a lot of hot rod owners who live very minimalistic lives. They live to put the next best part on their car. They are the American hot rodders.
I recall one morning at a Cobra breakfast gathering we were sitting and talking, enjoying the breakfast. Then this guy walks up and starts ranting, "Do you have any idea of the resources you guys waste and the damage to the environment you are doing with those cars!?!!?"
We looked at each other and started laughing (about 16 of us). Then one of our guys turns to the ranter and says, "I think the only damage might be the broken nose you are about to suffer if you do not leave us be." Immediately, everyone at the tables turns to look at this ranter.
He quietly backed away. We started laughing again.
Yes, the Cobra is as about environmentally friendly as a range fire, but from my perspective it represents something we should not just throw away. Some of you will know what I mean.
Well, that guy who threatened violence is nothing more than a bully- his opinion is moot if not utterly untenable. As for something that we (as humanity, I presume) should not just throw away, that is debatable. I do not think that racing cars at high speeds does much to advance technology for the masses.
I may be wrong, if I am, go ahead and prove it. :salute
-Penguin
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Speaking as a Nissan fan, (but still someone who appreciates fast cars wherever they're made), I think the best baseline for comparison of speed and handling is Nurburgring laptimes.
I went and had a look expecting the GTR to be faster than the US Muscle, only to find that they're very similar on times (GTR's best lap was semi-wet), the difference over the 12.9 miles was about 2 secs,
Dodge Viper ACR (2009), 7:22.1, Nissan GT-R (2011), 7:24.22.
I also don't think the latest GTR is as pretty as the older ones, one day I'm hoping to pick up an R32 GTR.
(http://users.tpg.com.au/steelyj//GTR1.JPG)
Steely
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Well, that guy who threatened violence is nothing more than a bully- his opinion is moot if not utterly untenable. As for something that we (as humanity, I presume) should not just throw away, that is debatable. I do not think that racing cars at high speeds does much to advance technology for the masses.
I may be wrong, if I am, go ahead and prove it. :salute
-Penguin
Theres a reason why various car manufactures have factory race teams, its to research and develop parts for better reliability and durability, making safer cars and trucks for the roads we drive today
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Well, that guy who threatened violence is nothing more than a bully- his opinion is moot if not utterly untenable. As for something that we (as humanity, I presume) should not just throw away, that is debatable. I do not think that racing cars at high speeds does much to advance technology for the masses.
I may be wrong, if I am, go ahead and prove it. :salute
-Penguin
you are wrong.
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Penguin.
Some people, you may not understand this but I will try to explain.
Some people, are willing to live and die for some of the most trivial of things. The love of ones car, the love of speed, the adrenaline rush achieved by it, is like a drug, you must continuously improve on something to make it perfect. Its a sort of obsession.
CAP, doesn't eat without these people, he is a mechanic, he loves his job, and sometimes he hates his job (especially when the SAPP turn up in AvA :D). But nevertheless cars, and the need of them, keeps him fed, and lets him do what he enjoys in his off hours.
Skuzzy, is rebuilding a Cobra, yet he works tirelessly with the people at HTC to keep this game running and this board civilized, he rarely succeeds in either, but his almighty hammer keeps the peace well enough. His way of unwinding by putting up with morons like us all day is to work on his car. Therefore leaving him sane for the next days BBS policing and technical support.
And most of the people on this board are male from the latter end of the age scale, Cars and Planes, petrol, speed and technical stuff makes their day. As it makes my day as a young and budding driver (and pilot when I get some money together).
My History and English teacher said: "Facts are the least important piece of information, they simply serve as chronological events or knowledge. It is the opinion, and the emotion BEHIND events, and literal work. That matter the most"
Maybe you should take that into account Penguin when commenting on such trivial matters. And maybe, you should stop with the whole, white knight and peace and love routine you constantly pull. You play a game that millions of men played for real and lost, at the cost of their lives, and you play the hero. The world is inherently violent and inherently going to be full of people like the man this whole farce of an argument started. The world is not going to be a utopia Penguin, realize this, and maybe your naieve rants will cease or at least reduce in frequency
/rant and hijack
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Penguin.
Some people, you may not understand this but I will try to explain.
Some people, are willing to live and die for some of the most trivial of things. The love of ones car, the love of speed, the adrenaline rush achieved by it, is like a drug, you must continuously improve on something to make it perfect. Its a sort of obsession.
CAP, doesn't eat without these people, he is a mechanic, he loves his job, and sometimes he hates his job (especially when the SAPP turn up in AvA :D). But nevertheless cars, and the need of them, keeps him fed, and lets him do what he enjoys in his off hours.
Skuzzy, is rebuilding a Cobra, yet he works tirelessly with the people at HTC to keep this game running and this board civilized, he rarely succeeds in either, but his almighty hammer keeps the peace well enough. His way of unwinding by putting up with morons like us all day is to work on his car. Therefore leaving him sane for the next days BBS policing and technical support.
And most of the people on this board are male from the latter end of the age scale, Cars and Planes, petrol, speed and technical stuff makes their day. As it makes my day as a young and budding driver (and pilot when I get some money together).
My History and English teacher said: "Facts are the least important piece of information, they simply serve as chronological events or knowledge. It is the opinion, and the emotion BEHIND events, and literal work. That matter the most"
Maybe you should take that into account Penguin when commenting on such trivial matters. And maybe, you should stop with the whole, white knight and peace and love routine you constantly pull. You play a game that millions of men played for real and lost, at the cost of their lives, and you play the hero. The world is inherently violent and inherently going to be full of people like the man this whole farce of an argument started. The world is not going to be a utopia Penguin, realize this, and maybe your naieve rants will cease or at least reduce in frequency
/rant and hijack
how old are you again?
you are sooooo right about the adrenaline rush. when i still had my mustang(12's @117mph), it was a rush EVERY time i side-stepped the clutch at 6200rpm.
when i drove the shop camaro(9.9's at 131mph) it was such a rush, that i couldn't even right in my notebook when i got back into the pits. i was shaking from the rush. it took 3 to 5 minutes for the shaking to stop, so i had to talk what happened during the run, and my old boss wrote it all down. :aok
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Penguin.
Some people, you may not understand this but I will try to explain.
Some people, are willing to live and die for some of the most trivial of things. The love of ones car, the love of speed, the adrenaline rush achieved by it, is like a drug, you must continuously improve on something to make it perfect. Its a sort of obsession.
CAP, doesn't eat without these people, he is a mechanic, he loves his job, and sometimes he hates his job (especially when the SAPP turn up in AvA :D). But nevertheless cars, and the need of them, keeps him fed, and lets him do what he enjoys in his off hours.
Skuzzy, is rebuilding a Cobra, yet he works tirelessly with the people at HTC to keep this game running and this board civilized, he rarely succeeds in either, but his almighty hammer keeps the peace well enough. His way of unwinding by putting up with morons like us all day is to work on his car. Therefore leaving him sane for the next days BBS policing and technical support.
And most of the people on this board are male from the latter end of the age scale, Cars and Planes, petrol, speed and technical stuff makes their day. As it makes my day as a young and budding driver (and pilot when I get some money together).
My History and English teacher said: "Facts are the least important piece of information, they simply serve as chronological events or knowledge. It is the opinion, and the emotion BEHIND events, and literal work. That matter the most"
Maybe you should take that into account Penguin when commenting on such trivial matters. And maybe, you should stop with the whole, white knight and peace and love routine you constantly pull. You play a game that millions of men played for real and lost, at the cost of their lives, and you play the hero. The world is inherently violent and inherently going to be full of people like the man this whole farce of an argument started. The world is not going to be a utopia Penguin, realize this, and maybe your naieve rants will cease or at least reduce in frequency
/rant and hijack
First of all, the game I play (AHII) is very, very different from the actual combat of World War II. Try living with the threat of death hanging over you every day, with work at all hours of day and night. That's the 'game' that many real pilots played and lost during the war. We play something that is arcade in comparison.
Furthermore, I've noticed that you've copied a previous poster with whom I've debated. However, whether I play AHII has no bearing on whether racing cars is an effective method of research and development for the masses. Your argument is a non-sequitur. Speaking of the masses, my retort to your utopia strawman argument.
First of all, your argument about me being a delusional utopian is both false (I am most certainly not delusional and I recognize that the world can never be perfect) and a strawman fallacy, in that you attempt to shift the issue by attacking a non-existent part of my argument. It is also ad hominem (your insults make this clear).
My original post was less than one paragraph long, so I'd hardly consider that a rant.
What is the definition of 'important'? The greatest impact? The most use in a debate? Facts are actually quite important, and to try arguing anything without them will not get you far at all. For instance, no matter how much you believe that the sun is made of coal, we all know that it is a massive fusion reaction.
Your argument is weak. All I see are insults, non-sequiturs, strawmen, and emotional appeals.
Theres a reason why various car manufactures have factory race teams, its to research and develop parts for better reliability and durability, making safer cars and trucks for the roads we drive today
Aha, now there's a reasonable, non-ranting answer to my question. Thank-you zoom.
-Penguin
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First of all, the game I play (AHII) is very, very different from the actual combat of World War II. Try living with the threat of death hanging over you every day, with work at all hours of day and night. That's the 'game' that many real pilots played and lost during the war. We play something that is arcade in comparison.
Furthermore, I've noticed that you've copied a previous poster with whom I've debated. However, whether I play AHII has no bearing on whether racing cars is an effective method of research and development for the masses. Your argument is a non-sequitur. Speaking of the masses, my retort to your utopia strawman argument.
First of all, your argument about me being a delusional utopian is both false (I am most certainly not delusional and I recognize that the world can never be perfect) and a strawman fallacy, in that you attempt to shift the issue by attacking a non-existent part of my argument. It is also ad hominem (your insults make this clear).
My original post was less than one paragraph long, so I'd hardly consider that a rant.
What is the definition of 'important'? The greatest impact? The most use in a debate? Facts are actually quite important, and to try arguing anything without them will not get you far at all. For instance, no matter how much you believe that the sun is made of coal, we all know that it is a massive fusion reaction.
Your argument is weak. All I see are insults, non-sequiturs, strawmen, and emotional appeals.
Aha, now there's a reasonable, non-ranting answer to my question. Thank-you zoom.
-Penguin
almost ALL of the basic safety devices in our cars(that date back at least to the 60's) are developed from racing.
there's more. do some homework. :aok
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one of the biggest crossover enginering from racing to street cars is incorporating roll bars into the design of cars and trucks, crumble zones designed to take impacts, parts designed to come off or collapse during collisions, muti caliper brake designs, the list goes on and on, the safest cars and trucks on the planet are Racing vehicles
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Wow! Thanks guys, now I know. Have fun with your muscle cars!
-Penguin
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Wow! Thanks guys, now I know. Have fun with your muscle cars!
-Penguin
zoom and i have only scratched the surface. if you go looking, you'll be amazed at what you'll find
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Well, my point is debunked, I don't see what else there is to say.
-Penguin
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Well, my point is debunked, I don't see what else there is to say.
-Penguin
well......look and learn. we weren't trying to put ya down, but rather we were trying to help you learn. :aok
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well......look and learn. we weren't trying to put ya down, but rather we were trying to help you learn. :aok
He's playing you.
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I know that you weren't, but it sounds cool, I'll take a look at it after some shuteye.
-Penguin
PS The main reason I come here is to sharpen my debating skills against opponents who know quite a bit more than I do, and see what the other side of an issue has to say. I have a tough time starting a good argument nicely, and if anyone could PM some ideas on that it would save me a few vacations.
PPS I don't know what you mean by 'playing' masherbrum.
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He's playing you.
are you saying he's trying to bait me? possibly that he is trying to become the master baiter? :noid :noid :rofl
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Penguin.
You are arguing intellectually on an emotional subject.
Now, my rebuttal.
A. Fact's are established points. However they are ALL open to interpretation. History is written by the victor. So all history and as history itself is indicated by fact itself, it is in fact opinion (hahaha screwing with minds across the BBS). Such can be applied to all fact. While we cannot change how something happens or what happened. The effects, both good and bad, are interpreted by witnesses of said fact. Take this into perspective it will be a wonderful event and a terrible event.
B. Emotions drive all decisions, therefore an emotional argument appealing to a target audience will inherently win more of a response than an intellectual argument. CAP's response to me being right about adrenaline, is an indication of my argument. Emotional appeal is how politicians work and as politicans run your respective country all DECISIONS are made as a result of emotional appeal. (invading Iraq for example cost the republicans the election but this is not a political thread so end it HERE).
C. Your initial cause for this whole farce is a man threatening violence. Your condemning him, however he threatened violence as a direct result of an emotional reaction to an accusation or statement from a person seeking confrontation.
D. Taking into account your former posts. You have so far to my knowledge: Attacked veterans of the Vietnam war and the leaders of your nation in such a period. Trivialised many threads to the point of lock. Hijjacked numerous fun threads INCLUDING THIS ONE, and turned them into human rights debates. The list could be longer.
Now my argument there was not a comment on WW2 pilots, its the comment on aerial warfare itself. You condemn violence, as should we all, yet you do amongst people who have witnessed it, maybeyou should consider the people you are mixing with before making such arguments or comments. I play AH2 and I am a military man. You can say this about most of this community.
Listen penguin. IYou can argue all you like. But here it is, I respect you , but at the same tim I think your a very naieve. It is quite obvious you dont see both sides of an argument. Fact is a bland point. I can wager, if you held a debate with me in an open debate in front of people, spoken debate, with people off the street. I would win convincingly. Why?
Debate is the SWAYING OF OPINION, and opinion is not fact. The sun may be energy caused by a fusion reaction. HOWEVER, its not going to stop some people calling it the finger of god or something. All arguemtn depends on audience. I manufacture my arguments to suit a middleaged man with a love of history and conservative of politics. And wouldnt you know it, I get complimented, and most shoot you down. INCLUDING. me.
This isnt a my thing is biger contest penguin, truth is, I argue with you because its fun. However, ive grasped what you havent. That argument on fact alone NEVER works. It is OPINION. that wins a debate.
Rant over. Your turn flightless birdie :neener:
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EDIT: Removed Plawranc's argument because I don't want to get banned too.
I disagree entirely, you are attacking me, as a person, rather than my position, be it emotional or factual. Your post is not a rebuttal, but an emotionally charged reply. You have not once rebutted my points, while I have both rebutted and successfully debunked yours.
You also seem to have missed my point. I did not mention human rights at any point during this debate. Are we reading the same posts? :) You brought up AHII, you brought up human rights, you brought up the idea opinion versus fact in a debate. I wanted to know whether or not driving cars very quickly in a controlled environment (aka racing) does anything to help us slower folks (not slower as in dumber, but literally moving through space at a lower speed).
Your argument is a flawed and poorly written strawman designed to distract onlookers from the actual issue. Answer this question: can racing help humanity to advance technology without costing too much? [Cost being lives and resources that could be spent elsewhere]
Your peers (should I refer to you all as such?) have answered my question admirably and without snide remarks. I have my answer, and have clearly stated that.
-Penguin
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Buy a ZR1 and call it a day, it crushes the GTR. Not to mention that Nissan is as ugly as something my cat threw up yesterday.
ZR1 smokes GTR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC-PQca6FJU&feature=related)
ZR-1 smokes Nissan GTR, Porsche GT2, and Ferrari 599 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZlGMX8G3B4&feature=relmfu)
GTR = $90,000
ZR1 = $140,000
The improvements made to the 2012 GTR makes the ZR1 a bit overpriced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMSckkYkIA0
In pure objectivity, why pay $50,000 more when GT-R has better balance, aerodynamics, better NVH, faster response time between switching gears (with a flick of a finger) , and better lap times around the world, and better acceleration from the dig.
Subjectively though, with the way the car was engineered (and the philosophy behind it) this is the closest the masses can experience Bugatti Veyron refinement and performance.
Thus, GTR = Baby Veyron.
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Im following the course of your statement.
But here is why.
Racing is responsible for pretty much all the safety gear we have in vehicles today. Seatbelts (harnesses in early racers), calculation of crumple zones, anti lock brakes.
Cap already answered. It is quite obvious. Yes it does.
Now Penguin. I have already stated my viewpoint, and it is not for me to say whether you are right or wrong. Everything on earth, is the interpretation of fact, and the emotions associated with them.
However. The reason I attack you penguin, is because you ask for it. Over and over. And I answer with Snide remarks penguin because to be quite honest you earn them.
Showing consideration to people, would probably get you further.
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There is nothing about the GTR that makes me want to own it. It isn't hard to build an inexpensive performance car these days. The Mitsubishi EVO IX is almost half the cost of a GTR and runs the "ring" about 30 seconds behind a stock GTR. I wouldn't want either one. I concede that they are both impressive from an engineering point of view, but hardly exciting beyond paper statistics. Give me a 427 Cobra, Ford GT... Hell, I'd rather have an Audi RS6 Avant... Something about a twin-turbo V10 station wagon intrigues me... And that's my point, a car need to be more than 1/4 mile times, lap times and BHP. I want something a little out of the box, a little raw. Insane even. I want a car that makes impresses me, makes me smile ear to ear. I don't care if anyone else likes it. I don't care if it fits the performance car paradigm. As a matter of fact, I love it when people say "Why the hell did you do that? It's stupid!" Why? Because it was a blast!
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/1989-ford-shogun/188042/ (At 1:28, Jay nails it on the head!)
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Why is there always one that comes in a makes a simple topic into some save the whales and i am smarter than anyone that likes cars?
I suggest less trolling and more respect of what others like and i like rice cookers and love to see the difference of the american muscle cars v the good cars (nissans) arguments.
What i will say is that after looking into some of the yank tanks that you guys like i am more than impressed where the USA muscle cars have gone as there are some very impressive cars out today that i didn't know just how fast but more than speed could handle with simple rear wheel drive force.
I love high tech like the GTR but also love pure grunt and the noise of the USA cars if only nissan could go away from the tamer noise then i would have it all.
In the end its all good fun and its opened my eyes up to USA muscle sure their ghay looking but more and more impressive if only the US cars would put some high tech in the mix then i may tend to think the GTR is all over but till then. (never)
Forkit
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Forget the GTR
This Toyota + Yamaha collaboration = pure sex :rock... and unapologetically Japanese.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5R-oi91bd4
Japanese car makers haven't released something very hot, sexy & soulful since the Acura NSX and Mazda RX-7 debut 18+ years ago...
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Also, this could've been a serious competition to Nissan GTR and Lexus LFA...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpMAfsSk7jM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0OTEZDAb9c&feature=related
- (rumored) Priced between the GT-R and LFA
- F1 inspired Honda V-10
- Dual Clutch transmission
- Super Handling All-Wheel-Drive (said to be the most advanced in the world, with active torque vectoring!)
but... what's almost basically 99% production-ready was aborted, world economy and gas prices killed it.
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GTR = $90,000
ZR1 = $140,000
The improvements made to the 2012 GTR makes the ZR1 a bit overpriced.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMSckkYkIA0
In pure objectivity, why pay $50,000 more when GT-R has better balance, aerodynamics, better NVH, faster response time between switching gears (with a flick of a finger) , and better lap times around the world, and better acceleration from the dig.
Subjectively though, with the way the car was engineered (and the philosophy behind it) this is the closest the masses can experience Bugatti Veyron refinement and performance.
Thus, GTR = Baby Veyron.
GTR=$90k
Shelby GT500 Super Snake(top line)=$83k. this shelby will kick the gtr's ass, eat the entire car for lunch, and spit it out as an altima.
what just about everyone in here missed, is that they've compared nissan's top of the line performance car to shelby's mediocre performance car. why is it there isn't a comparison of the GTR vs the Super Snake? hhhmmmmmmm.......
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Im following the course of your statement.
But here is why.
Racing is responsible for pretty much all the safety gear we have in vehicles today. Seatbelts (harnesses in early racers), calculation of crumple zones, anti lock brakes.
Cap already answered. It is quite obvious. Yes it does.
Now Penguin. I have already stated my viewpoint, and it is not for me to say whether you are right or wrong. Everything on earth, is the interpretation of fact, and the emotions associated with them.
However. The reason I attack you penguin, is because you ask for it. Over and over. And I answer with Snide remarks penguin because to be quite honest you earn them.
Showing consideration to people, would probably get you further.
This was all you needed to say; sorry, but, the rest was just fluff.
Yes, you have stated your viewpoint quite clearly. I do not debate that, it just seems obvious that you have done so. :headscratch:
This assertion is unsupported, and the burden of proof is upon your shoulders. Furthermore, I posed a question of fact, not one of opinion or emotion. This debunks your notion of having followed the course of my statement.
The fact that my viewpoints differ from others' on this board does not reduce nor restrict my right to express them, provided that I stay within the allowed range of topics of this board.
By showing consideration, you imply that I ought to agree with everyone else's opinion, or not express mine if it differs. This is absurd, because this board is intended for the very discussion of differing viewpoints and the settling of disputes. Point debunked.
-Penguin
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My oldest daughter called me Saturday from College Station. They drove up there for a carshow. My son-in-law had entered my old 98 Z-71 he had bought from me earlier this year. He got 1st Place in 4WD.
Not bad for a first showing of a daily driver with 225,000 plus miles on it.
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Nicely done! Does his career involve racing? If so, what kind?
-Penguin
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Penguin racing.
They stuff em in a cannon and the one shot farthest wins.
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Penguin racing.
They stuff em in a cannon and the one shot farthest wins.
:rofl
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The GT-R and Vette are in different classes primarily because of this.....
(http://0.tqn.com/d/cars/1/0/-/z/1/ag_10gtr_backseat.jpg)
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The GT-R and Vette are in different classes primarily because of this.....
(http://0.tqn.com/d/cars/1/0/-/z/1/ag_10gtr_backseat.jpg)
They most certainly are in the same class.
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Sure dude.......
goes back to work finishing a custom twin turbo vette.
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Sure dude.......
goes back to work finishing a custom twin turbo vette.
Keep trying to compare stock production cars to custom track cars.
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The GT-R and Vette are in different classes primarily because of this.....
(http://0.tqn.com/d/cars/1/0/-/z/1/ag_10gtr_backseat.jpg)
Why... because it has a back seat?
Get real.
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GTR=$90k
Shelby GT500 Super Snake(top line)=$83k. this shelby will kick the gtr's ass, eat the entire car for lunch, and spit it out as an altima.
This?
http://www.youtube.com/v/haBopTY_D98
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This?
http://www.youtube.com/v/haBopTY_D98
nope......saw that one..........that's a 500hp shelby. bottom of the line as shelbys go.
EDIT:
i was wrong......685hp. still not top of the line. the top of the line super snake is adveertised at 800hp. so i'll repeat myself again. they're taking nissans top of the line car, and testing it against shelbys mediocre car. that is if you can call a shelby mediocre.
compare apples to apples.
but then.......they call it all wrong. they try to say the stang spun. it didn't. they launched the thing off idle. no stall at all. they slipped the clutch. not how you launch when you're racing.
then there's the fact that the vette, and stang are production line cars. seems quite a bit of the important stuff is hand built on the nissan.
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Why... because it has a back seat?
Get real.
Yes....that back seat puts it in a different class from the two seat corvette.
Sadly, that class is occupied by a very fast mustang.
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Yes....that back seat puts it in a different class from the two seat corvette.
Sadly, that class is occupied by a very fast mustang.
Yea cuz a miata and a vette share the class..... :rolleyes:
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Yea cuz a miata and a vette share the class..... :rolleyes:
would you believe i used to have a customer that had a 12 second miata? shoulda seen the size of the intercooler stuffed in there.
i've got a line on a possible cheap miata right now. seems like a decent candidate for a 450 horse 5 liter, eh? :devil
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would you believe i used to have a customer that had a 12 second miata? shoulda seen the size of the intercooler stuffed in there.
i've got a line on a possible cheap miata right now. seems like a decent candidate for a 450 horse 5 liter, eh? :devil
I'd love to have a crack at that one on a track.
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nope......saw that one..........that's a 500hp shelby. bottom of the line as shelbys go.
EDIT:
i was wrong......685hp. still not top of the line. the top of the line super snake is adveertised at 800hp. so i'll repeat myself again. they're taking nissans top of the line car, and testing it against shelbys mediocre car. that is if you can call a shelby mediocre.
compare apples to apples.
but then.......they call it all wrong. they try to say the stang spun. it didn't. they launched the thing off idle. no stall at all. they slipped the clutch. not how you launch when you're racing.
then there's the fact that the vette, and stang are production line cars. seems quite a bit of the important stuff is hand built on the nissan.
I think it is easier for me to make some of you change religion or convert a republican to a democrat, than convince you that a Ford came in second to a car not made in Detroit. Unpossible :rofl
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Car and driver put down a 11.2 quarter mile out of the new GT-R and a 0-60 time of 2.9 seconds.
As far as the super snake.....
You first have to purchase and title a $50,000 GT500 before it is then sent to shelby for the 750 or 800hp upgrades for another $30,000.
I also think the factory warranty is voided by the top shelby package.
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Car and driver put down a 11.2 quarter mile out of the new GT-R and a 0-60 time of 2.9 seconds.
As far as the super snake.....
You first have to purchase and title a $50,000 GT500 before it is then sent to shelby for the 750 or 800hp upgrades for another $30,000.
I also think the factory warranty is voided by the top shelby package.
it is. but that doesn't change the fact they're going apples to oranges. :aok
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I think it is easier for me to make some of you change religion or convert a republican to a democrat, than convince you that a Ford came in second to a car not made in Detroit. Unpossible :rofl
Ohhh it is possible but the point of comparing apples to apples applies or in this case $.
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I think it is easier for me to make some of you change religion or convert a republican to a democrat, than convince you that a Ford came in second to a car not made in Detroit. Unpossible :rofl
nope. we've all seen them. plenty of beemers and benzes that hammer the american stuff. they even beat the camaros.
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it is. but that doesn't change the fact they're going apples to oranges. :aok
True...I'm comparing an apple as delivered by the manufacturer to an orange that is sent to a tuner yet still hasn't reeled off a faster time.
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True...I'm comparing an apple as delivered by the manufacturer to an orange that is sent to a tuner yet still hasn't reeled off a faster time.
what does the 800hp shelby run?
just found one report of a 10.87, and another alluded to 11.1.
In the latest issue of MM&FF, Evan Smith tested a 624hp GT350 in the 1/4 mile.
Their best time with stock tires was a 11.62 @ 122 mph. They then tested with M/T drag radials and ran a 11.55 @ 120 mph.
For comparison's sake, the two fastest Shelbys they had tested before were a 725hp Super Snake and a 540hp GT500KR.
The best 1/4 mile time for the Super Snake was 10.87 @ 134 mph on M/T ET Street tires. They didn't even try to test this beast with stock tires. :burnout:
The best 1/4 mile times for the KR were 11.92 @ 120 mph with stock tires and 11.58 @ 122 mph with M/T ET Street tires.
i'll find the article tonight. right now, i need to go finish the leaf spring out in the shop. :aok
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i've got a customer whose son lives in Massachusetts. he has a 2011mustang gt. he claimed 35mpg at about 80mph on the highway on his last drive down here to nj
:rofl
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here ya go ice.
boss 302. all ford. comes that way(to the best of my knowledge), when that package is ordered. watch the vid. ran an 11.72. i can tell ya from bracket racing, that he left at least .2 right there on the starting line. it's half the price of the gtr, and i'm sure some tuning of the loose nut behind the wheel could trim that down to the 11.0's. and it'll turn with a vette. :aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLmXeUflf4I&feature=player_embedded
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:rofl
nuthin funny 'bout that. you do realize that ford got 49 miles/gallon from their v6, right?
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Cap you should check out some of Tasca's dealer set ups....some sick stuff.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoyE3dikusA
Sick!!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/TascaModShop#p/u/0/8rpvxlqOiPU
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Cap you should check out some of Tasca's dealer set ups....some sick stuff.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoyE3dikusA
Sick!!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/TascaModShop#p/u/0/8rpvxlqOiPU
yaknow? how the hell could i forget about them?! i'll look at them when i get home.
i wentr to the boss302, only because there was a little "hair splitting" going on....so i figured i'd show an "as delivered" car. :devil
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nuthin funny 'bout that. you do realize that ford got 49 miles/gallon from their v6, right?
It is very funny.
2011 GT with 3.31 will have a hard time touching 35mpg at 60mph. At 80mph you'd be lucky with mid to high twenties.
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@ Penguin
No, I am saying you should consider your audience before you speak.
This is not the right place to argue your points because your points usually stand at the oppisite side of ours. If you want to argue, go to flame warriors. If not, just sit here and enjoy the Planes. Thats what I am here for.
You may argue all you like Penguin, the truth is, your debating skills are terrible. Because I have already stated, emotional appeal and swaying of opinion wins a debate, not question and answer "facts"
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It is very funny.
2011 GT with 3.31 will have a hard time touching 35mpg at 60mph. At 80mph you'd be lucky with mid to high twenties.
it's advertised at 26 on the highway. i'd be perfectly happy with that, while putting 430hp to the back tires.
whether or not my customers son really got that i don't know. i do know that the 5 liter isn't what you probably think it is though.
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now i'm just gonna be a dick......
here's what $91k can get ya, if you're worried about 1/4 mile performance.
only drawback, is she ain't street legal. :bhead
from the factory.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/04/ford-delivers-2012-mustang-cobra-jet-racers-lays-claim-to-quick/#continued
this one's a little old.....
http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2011/03/27/ford-mustangs-dominate-gts-class-of-world-challenge-opener-in-st-petersburg/
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now i'm just gonna be a dick......
here's what $91k can get ya, if you're worried about 1/4 mile performance.
only drawback, is she ain't street legal. :bhead
from the factory.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/04/04/ford-delivers-2012-mustang-cobra-jet-racers-lays-claim-to-quick/#continued
this one's a little old.....
http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2011/03/27/ford-mustangs-dominate-gts-class-of-world-challenge-opener-in-st-petersburg/
I don't know CAP, that's a pretty well known fact, I'd be shocked if most the people claiming it's superiority here haven't or weren't aware of it. :rolleyes: :rofl
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I don't know CAP, that's a pretty well known fact, I'd be shocked if most the people claiming it's superiority here haven't or weren't aware of it. :rolleyes: :rofl
yea, but it would appear that the "fast n furious" fans aren't. :devil
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Penguin = Troll, IMHO.
I just ignore the spew and skip to the real replies.
CAP: Factory Mustangs look to be awesome fun .. saw the note that they're sold out too :)
The good news is Nickey Chevrolet is doin similar to new Camaro's usin the LS-7 as a base motor.
The ZR-1 Vette is $110k, not $140k re: http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-family/
..of course some dealers will try and milk the gullible for as much as they can.
(warning: distorted logic follows for those that are humor impaired)
As far as bein 'environmentally friendly'
.. if I could I would drive a blown Hemi '68 Cuda
..figure I could suck up enough gas to feed 200 Prius' easy :)
That would be 200 of them kept off the streets -evil grin-
-Frank aka GE
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Penguin = Troll, IMHO.
I just ignore the spew and skip to the real replies.
CAP: Factory Mustangs look to be awesome fun .. saw the note that they're sold out too :)
The good news is Nickey Chevrolet is doin similar to new Camaro's usin the LS-7 as a base motor.
The ZR-1 Vette is $110k, not $140k re: http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette-family/
..of course some dealers will try and milk the gullible for as much as they can.
(warning: distorted logic follows for those that are humor impaired)
As far as bein 'environmentally friendly'
.. if I could I would drive a blown Hemi '68 Cuda
..figure I could suck up enough gas to feed 200 Prius' easy :)
That would be 200 of them kept off the streets -evil grin-
-Frank aka GE
i think i wouldn't mind having a corvette......or even a camaro to be honest(even though it's an aussie car), i just happen to be a ford nut.
as much as i like my old mustangs, i think if i could drive any car i wanted......either a 68 big block charger, or a 64 thunderbolt. close 3rd would be a 67 gt390 mustang. :aok
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Cammer Thunderbolt would be a *blast* :)
..among many other dream cars :)
watched a '67 fastback Mustang with the SOHC motor run hi 9's at Bakersfield long ago
..he *ate* 3 trannies in 3 runs .. was a 4-gear car and he needed somethin a bit stronger for sure.
.. last run he made was a 9.8X .. tranny blew up top of 3rd and he was coastin when he crossed the line .. again.
-GE aka Frank
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Cammer Thunderbolt would be a *blast* :)
..among many other dream cars :)
watched a '67 fastback Mustang with the SOHC motor run hi 9's at Bakersfield long ago
..he *ate* 3 trannies in 3 runs .. was a 4-gear car and he needed somethin a bit stronger for sure.
.. last run he made was a 9.8X .. tranny blew up top of 3rd and he was coastin when he crossed the line .. again.
-GE aka Frank
wouldn't have been this guy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzkEviShBUw&feature=related
the hair on my arms stood up watchin this one....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL7__9znjI8&feature=related
the kid running to the fence to see this car says it all.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJnfJxZ5cbY&feature=related
almost forgot......notice that there is actual......<gasp>.....styling on these cars, which would account for their popularity nearly 50 years after they were built. :aok
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I know and love mustangs
I am finishing up my own 1967 fastback with a c7mea high nickel content X marked block 428 cobra lemans spec. engine with a 427 medium riser intake in front of a top loader 4 speed.
I'm also prepping a mercury 410 FE big block of considerably more hp for another car down the road.
All I did was notice someone posting on the GT-R and mentioned it recently put down a 2.9 second 0 to 60 time on the way to a 11.2 quarter mile....by car magazine not known for getting top results out of cars concerning drag times.
There was no fitting of drag radials, tweaking suspension....etc.....just a stock car running sub 3.0 second 0 to 60 times in it's first two runs of the day..........on california 91 octane gasoline.
Nissan guarantees 530hp even with the 91 octane and dyno testing of production models has shown considerably more with 93 and 94 octane available in other parts of the usa.
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Let's make peace and offer up a car that kicks bellybutton and is a nice blend of low-tech American grunt and high-tech european...
http://www.venomgt.com/ (http://www.venomgt.com/)
(http://lftln.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Hennessey_Venom_GT_5.jpg)
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I doont knoow. Im thinking some more Germanic automobiles are in future....
(http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2007/11/23/mclaren-slr-722-edition_54.jpg)
Riiight here :rock
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I'd just settle for this and it's in my favorite color:
(http://image.automotive.com/f/featuredvehicles/9754113+pheader/mump_0805_kr_01_z+1968_ford_shelby_GT500KR_mustang+.jpg)
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yea, but it would appear that the "fast n furious" fans aren't. :devil
They keep the high-end vehicle towing/transporting specialists in buisness though.