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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: jollyFE on May 20, 2011, 09:39:17 AM
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Can't wait, a few of us from work are starting flight training in August, by the end of the degree program we should have our commercial ratings.
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*very* cool :)
Whatcha gonna be trainin in? 172's or?
-GE aka Frank
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not sure, im a bigger guy 6 1' and about 230 so I'm not sure if the lil 152 could drag my fat body around. also depends on the school, I'd prefer a 172 so I could go fly the CAP acft when I meet the hours requirement.
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not sure, im a bigger guy 6 1' and about 230 so I'm not sure if the lil 152 could drag my fat body around. also depends on the school, I'd prefer a 172 so I could go fly the CAP acft when I meet the hours requirement.
I recommend you go for a DA20, DA40, or SR20. A much more modern airframe, faster, safer, better visibility, and more enjoyable than the 172. CAP flies 182 so you'll have to take a few lessons to transition either way.
I'll come back later tonight to explain my reasoning more specifically (don't have much time right now).
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Advice for AH players starting real flight training:
1. Avoid the urge to initiate rolling scissors with nearby air traffic.
2. Do not call "tally ho" when sighting nearby air traffic.
3. Avoid urge to strafe buildings with the guns you don't have.
4. Do not attempt to impress flight instructor with hammerhead turn.
5. Do not ask Chewie to post mission.
6. Do not offer to "run sups" for airport service vehicles.
7. Do not try to set up a crossing shot with nearby air traffic.
8. Multi-engine aircraft are not referred to as "buffs"
9. Do not try to vulch.
10. For the love of dog do not HO.
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Once you find out what you will be learning to fly in .. get the flight manual.
Read it.
A Lot.
Memorize the important stuff (Vne .. best climb speed .. max load .. etc)
-GE aka Frank
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Advice for AH players starting real flight training:
1. Avoid the urge to initiate rolling scissors with nearby air traffic.
2. Do not call "tally ho" when sighting nearby air traffic.
3. Avoid urge to strafe buildings with the guns you don't have.
4. Do not attempt to impress flight instructor with hammerhead turn.
5. Do not ask Chewie to post mission.
6. Do not offer to "run sups" for airport service vehicles.
7. Do not try to set up a crossing shot with nearby air traffic.
8. Multi-engine aircraft are not referred to as "buffs"
9. Do not try to vulch.
10. For the love of dog do not HO.
lmao
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Heck I can't even get the money together for a helicopter program.. let alone getting commercial with planes!!! It's really not fair for those of us who were less financially set from the get-go...
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, and more enjoyable than the 172.
I'd argue that. Ive flown the diamonds, havent flown a Cirrus.
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Heck I can't even get the money together for a helicopter program.. let alone getting commercial with planes!!! It's really not fair for those of us who were less financially set from the get-go...
Helicopters cost about 3x as much as airplanes.........
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not sure, im a bigger guy 6 1' and about 230 so I'm not sure if the lil 152 could drag my fat body around. also depends on the school, I'd prefer a 172 so I could go fly the CAP acft when I meet the hours requirement.
6'5 280 here and I did all my training in a 172. My instructor was my a gal that became my wife (she is 5 foot 2)....It was really funny to watch us. She couldnt see over the dash of the 172 to land it she had to look out the side to land.
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Advice for AH players starting real flight training:
1. Avoid the urge to initiate rolling scissors with nearby air traffic.
2. Do not call "tally ho" when sighting nearby air traffic.
3. Avoid urge to strafe buildings with the guns you don't have.
4. Do not attempt to impress flight instructor with hammerhead turn.
5. Do not ask Chewie to post mission.
6. Do not offer to "run sups" for airport service vehicles.
7. Do not try to set up a crossing shot with nearby air traffic.
8. Multi-engine aircraft are not referred to as "buffs"
9. Do not try to vulch.
10. For the love of dog do not HO.
This is great!!!!! Love the Chewie comment
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Advice for AH players starting real flight training:
1. Avoid the urge to initiate rolling scissors with nearby air traffic.
2. Do not call "tally ho" when sighting nearby air traffic.
3. Avoid urge to strafe buildings with the guns you don't have.
4. Do not attempt to impress flight instructor with hammerhead turn.
5. Do not ask Chewie to post mission.
6. Do not offer to "run sups" for airport service vehicles.
7. Do not try to set up a crossing shot with nearby air traffic.
8. Multi-engine aircraft are not referred to as "buffs"
9. Do not try to vulch.
10. For the love of dog do not HO.
you meant sheep right? :D
semp
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I recommend you go for a DA20, DA40, or SR20. A much more modern airframe, faster, safer, better visibility, and more enjoyable than the 172. CAP flies 182 so you'll have to take a few lessons to transition either way.
I'll come back later tonight to explain my reasoning more specifically (don't have much time right now).
Besides being a faster airplane this is why I think you should do your training is either DA20, DA40, or SR20.
DA20 has a light composite airframe that gives you high speed (relatively) on a 125hp engine. Since it was build out a glider you have a great glide ratio (1:14 as far as I remember). One of my favorite things that the Diamond did is made the seats a part of the main frame, so in case of a crash the seats stay where they are and do not squash the pilot. Also you have very good visibility as the canopy has no bars wish give you a large blind spot and make you have to look around. It does have more sensitive controls, a stick, and a conventional throttle (no idea what's the officially name is, google for a cockpit picture of it and a 172 you'll see what I'm taking about), now personally I see those as advantages but it's just a point of view.
If you do your training in a non-trainer aircraft (such as DA40 & SR20) it will take a little longer to get your license and will cost more. However if you do your training in a trainer you will get used to your airplane correcting a lot of mistakes (such as not wanting to spin), I personally see this as a disadvantage because after you get out of training you will probably fly something faster that will not be so forgiving.
If you do decide to do your training in an aircraft of this class keep in mind that it will have systems that might be a little overwhelming for new student, such as a constant speed prop and a glass cockpit. It will require more studding.
One of my personal favorite advantages of the SR20 is it's ballistic recovery system, basically it has a rocket in the back that deploys a parachute for the whole plane in case if you get in deep trouble.
Than again there is nothing wrong with the 172, I just suggest a few things over it.
I recommend you take a flight in a few different airframes to decide what you like best.
What ever you do do not do your training in a C-172SP. It has a G1000 that just does not belong in a 172 (it does not fit). The fuses are located under the yoke because there is no room for them anywhere else, so in case if you have to pull out one of your fuses in flight (or push it in after it pops out) you will have to turn your yoke 90° to see which fuse is witch and as far as you understand you do not want to do that in flight. Also if you'll be flying IFR and your G1000 stops working you will be forced to use your standby instruments, those are located just above your throttle. They are incredibly uncomfortable to use, you will need to move your seat all the way down and back to see them at a proper angle. Plus the whole things adds a good hundred pounds the the airplane.
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Advice for AH players starting real flight training:
1. Avoid the urge to initiate rolling scissors with nearby air traffic.
2. Do not call "tally ho" when sighting nearby air traffic.
3. Avoid urge to strafe buildings with the guns you don't have.
4. Do not attempt to impress flight instructor with hammerhead turn.
5. Do not ask Chewie to post mission.
6. Do not offer to "run sups" for airport service vehicles.
7. Do not try to set up a crossing shot with nearby air traffic.
8. Multi-engine aircraft are not referred to as "buffs"
9. Do not try to vulch.
10. For the love of dog do not HO.
LMAO
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Helicopters cost about 3x as much as airplanes.........
Not if you figure in commercial jet training and all that. It can become very expensive (and time consuming) to work you war up to the larger jets. Either that or you get lucky enough to get hired by one of the airlines...
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Don't become skydive pilot. Now I hate flying even now thought I get paid for it. I flew seventy hours in April. That sucks. Stick with private flying. I met with an airline Captain the other day. She doesn't like it any more than I do but she gets the big bucks. I get no bucks.
Don't go pro, it's not worth it anymore. Particularly in the US.
Flying as a career is finished unless you get into the military or one of the last airlines who treat their pilots as valued employees instead of economic assets.
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not sure, im a bigger guy 6 1' and about 230 so I'm not sure if the lil 152 could drag my fat body around. also depends on the school, I'd prefer a 172 so I could go fly the CAP acft when I meet the hours requirement.
how old are you? are you in CAP? if so, have you taken any O-flights yet?
the 152 will probably get you up, depending on the size/weight of your CFI. i flew ours in the club, with a 220# CFI(i'm about 165#). it climbed like a wounded duck with weights around its ankles.
you'll love the 172's though.
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I recommend you go for a DA20, DA40, or SR20. A much more modern airframe, faster, safer, better visibility, and more enjoyable than the 172. CAP flies 182 so you'll have to take a few lessons to transition either way.
I'll come back later tonight to explain my reasoning more specifically (don't have much time right now).
CAP flies 172's, 182's, 182RG's, gippsalands, and there's one other......the maule.......
we have a few 182's with the garmin 1000 glass cockpit too.
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CAP flies 172's, 182's, 182RG's, gippsalands, and there's one other......the maule.......
we have a few 182's with the garmin 1000 glass cockpit too.
Was not aware that CAP flies 172s. Most of the fleet are 182s though, right?
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Was not aware that CAP flies 172s. Most of the fleet are 182s though, right?
to the best of my knowledge, it's mostly 172's and 182's. the airvans, and maules are less common.
the 172's are excellent SAR aircraft, as they can very safely fly low speed. the 182's i don't think can fly quite as slow.
i forgot...i think we have a some 206's too.
do you know how friggin EXPENSIVE new 182's are?
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to the best of my knowledge, it's mostly 172's and 182's. the airvans, and maules are less common.
the 172's are excellent SAR aircraft, as they can very safely fly low speed. the 182's i don't think can fly quite as slow.
i forgot...i think we have a some 206's too.
do you know how friggin EXPENSIVE new 182's are?
Yes as a matter effect I do, but don't you guys get them for free?
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Yes as a matter effect I do, but don't you guys get them for free?
nothing is free. :aok
we are a civilian auxillary of the Air Force. they provide us with much of our equipment. but....that which they giveth, they also sometimes taketh away.
they constantly monitor our usage of our equipment. if they see a need for our g1000 equipped 182(we've got 2 of them in nj) somewhere else, and that ours is not being used properly, they will move it to where it's needed.
if they see it's not needed, and not getting use, they will remove it from our service.
we as CAP members, can rent any of the CAP aircraft that we're checked out in, as long is we stay within the state, and there are no active missions for it.
whereas a 172 goes for around $100-$125/hour wet around here, CAP members can rent ours for $75/hour wet. i may be wrong on that price, but i think it's accurate.
the catch is, that it matters not if you've got 200 hours, or 20,000 hours. you need to take a full and complete check ride in the aircraft. any time operating it, the pilot must be in some form of CAP uniform, and you cannot take non-CAP people in the aircraft with you.
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nothing is free. :aok
we are a civilian auxillary of the Air Force. they provide us with much of our equipment. but....that which they giveth, they also sometimes taketh away.
they constantly monitor our usage of our equipment. if they see a need for our g1000 equipped 182(we've got 2 of them in nj) somewhere else, and that ours is not being used properly, they will move it to where it's needed.
if they see it's not needed, and not getting use, they will remove it from our service.
we as CAP members, can rent any of the CAP aircraft that we're checked out in, as long is we stay within the state, and there are no active missions for it.
whereas a 172 goes for around $100-$125/hour wet around here, CAP members can rent ours for $75/hour wet. i may be wrong on that price, but i think it's accurate.
the catch is, that it matters not if you've got 200 hours, or 20,000 hours. you need to take a full and complete check ride in the aircraft. any time operating it, the pilot must be in some form of CAP uniform, and you cannot take non-CAP people in the aircraft with you.
Flying in flightsuite is actually good, it's nice and comfortable so I don't think you should complain about that. The the price you mentioned is actually pretty good. I though all you had to do was pay for the fuel but $75/hour wet is cheap. However not being able to take passengers with you is a disadvantage.
You mentioned you guys are in NJ, are you based in or around McGuire? I think I might know your CO (don't want to say the name on the open forums).
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Flying in flightsuite is actually good, it's nice and comfortable so I don't think you should complain about that. The the price you mentioned is actually pretty good. I though all you had to do was pay for the fuel but $75/hour wet is cheap. However not being able to take passengers with you is a disadvantage.
You mentioned you guys are in NJ, are you based in or around McGuire? I think I might know your CO (don't want to say the name on the open forums).
CAP is nationwide. it did, however start at Bader Field in atlantic city, nj. bader field was the first field(i think) to be designated as an airport. when CAP was first started, it was called the Coastal Patrol(i think), and was comprised of people that wanted to contribute to the war effort, but couldn't(for whatever reason) join the military. these guys used their own planes.
at first, they only called back to base when they spotted anything, and the military was dispatched. this let a couple of u-boats get away. they tried letting Coastal Patrol pilots carry bombs. we sunk at least 2 u-boats on the east coast, one of which i think was just off of atlantic city.
our Wing HQ is on mcguire AFB. i'm on Wing staff, as the Wing LGT. we have about 26 squadrons in nj, one of which is based right on mcguire.
before moving up to wing, i was in the Air Victory Museum Squadron, on KVAY.
to be honest, i'm pretty damned proud that they allow me to be a part of this organization. when i look back at my life(a sign i think of getting old), i don't feel as if i've done anything at all useful.
being a part of CAP, i can indeed be useful, and also give back to the community.
you mean CAP NJWING co, or McGuire's CO?
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CAP is nationwide. it did, however start at Bader Field in atlantic city, nj. bader field was the first field(i think) to be designated as an airport. when CAP was first started, it was called the Coastal Patrol(i think), and was comprised of people that wanted to contribute to the war effort, but couldn't(for whatever reason) join the military. these guys used their own planes.
at first, they only called back to base when they spotted anything, and the military was dispatched. this let a couple of u-boats get away. they tried letting Coastal Patrol pilots carry bombs. we sunk at least 2 u-boats on the east coast, one of which i think was just off of atlantic city.
our Wing HQ is on mcguire AFB. i'm on Wing staff, as the Wing LGT. we have about 26 squadrons in nj, one of which is based right on mcguire.
before moving up to wing, i was in the Air Victory Museum Squadron, on KVAY.
to be honest, i'm pretty damned proud that they allow me to be a part of this organization. when i look back at my life(a sign i think of getting old), i don't feel as if i've done anything at all useful.
being a part of CAP, i can indeed be useful, and also give back to the community.
you mean CAP NJWING co, or McGuire's CO?
Both actually, but I meant CAP NJWING. Actually I think he's the CO of the CAP squadron at McGuire (so not your CO than), can't remember for a fact we don't really talk about CAP much.