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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: olds442 on May 24, 2011, 02:09:00 PM
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would be cool...
(http://www.earthstation1.com/Aircraft/wwii/japanese/ki27.jpe.jpg)
here is the specs
Nakajima Ki.27
Type: Fighter
Service: Japanese Army Air Force (JAAF)
Crew: one
Armament: two fixed forward-firing 7.7mm machine guns
two 55 lb (25 kg) bombs
Specifications:
Length: 24' 8.5" (7.53 m)
Height: 10' 8" (3.25 m)
Wingspan: 37' 1.25" (11.31 m)
Wing area: 199.777 sq. ft (18.56 sq. m)
Empty Weight: 2447 lbs (1110 kg)
Max Weight: 3946 lbs (1790 kg)
Propulsion:
No. of Engines: 1
Powerplant: Nakajima Ha-1b 9-cylinder radial
Horsepower: 650 hp
Performance:
Range: 390 miles (627 km)
Cruise Speed: 217 mph (350 km/hr) at 11480 ft (3500 m)
Max Speed: 292 mph (470 km/hr) at 11480 ft (3500 m)
Climb to/in: 16405 ft (5000 m) in 5 min 22 sec
Ceiling: n/a
Production: approximately 3399 Ki-27s
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With that armament, it belongs in the WW I arena.
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With that armament, it belongs in the WW I arena.
actually it would serve well, along with a hand full of early war bi-planes in the early war arena...if the time line was shifted to 1937-1940 of course.
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That was the "nate", right?
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Yep. Ki-27 "Nate".
+1 I would like to see it added. :aok
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+1 The Flying Tigers fought some.
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+1
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+1 The Flying Tigers fought some.
so did the russians... :D
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Possibly added, however it would be so far down in my list I would rather have Ki-100, Ki-45 or Ki-102, Ki-44, Ki-43 before the Ki-27.
At least in the LWA the Ki-100 and Ki-102 would have a chance.
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Possibly added, however it would be so far down in my list I would rather have Ki-100, Ki-45 or Ki-102, Ki-44, Ki-43 before the Ki-27.
At least in the LWA the Ki-100 and Ki-102 would have a chance.
Ki-27 had a much larger impact on the war, and would be great in special events.
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Ki-27 had a much larger impact on the war, and would be great in special events.
True the Ki-27 had a bigger impact on pre/early war, but take into account in play ability in Aces High also, think of how many Ki27s would be flown per tour vs a Ki-100, I'm looking at the total flights for early war rides and its safe to say the Ki-27 after 1 tour would be a hanger queen for good.
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True the Ki-27 had a bigger impact on pre/early war, but take into account in play ability in Aces High also, think of how many Ki27s would be flown per tour vs a Ki-100, I'm looking at the total flights for early war rides and its safe to say the Ki-27 after 1 tour would be a hanger queen for good.
Honestly, the same amount.
I expect both to be hangar queens.
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would be cool...
(http://www.earthstation1.com/Aircraft/wwii/japanese/ki27.jpe.jpg)
here is the specs
Nakajima Ki.27
Type: Fighter
Service: Japanese Army Air Force (JAAF)
Crew: one
Armament: two fixed forward-firing 7.7mm machine guns
two 55 lb (25 kg) bombs
Specifications:
Length: 24' 8.5" (7.53 m)
Height: 10' 8" (3.25 m)
Wingspan: 37' 1.25" (11.31 m)
Wing area: 199.777 sq. ft (18.56 sq. m)
Empty Weight: 2447 lbs (1110 kg)
Max Weight: 3946 lbs (1790 kg)
Propulsion:
No. of Engines: 1
Powerplant: Nakajima Ha-1b 9-cylinder radial
Horsepower: 650 hp
Performance:
Range: 390 miles (627 km)
Cruise Speed: 217 mph (350 km/hr) at 11480 ft (3500 m)
Max Speed: 292 mph (470 km/hr) at 11480 ft (3500 m)
Climb to/in: 16405 ft (5000 m) in 5 min 22 sec
Ceiling: n/a
Production: approximately 3399 Ki-27s
Why?
JUGgler
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Honestly, the same amount.
I expect both to be hangar queens.
How would a Ki-100 be a hanger queen? Given the sorties flown in a Ki-84 and N1k-2 I would believe the Ki-100 being superior to both aircraft would actually get around the same amount of sorties if not somewhere in the middle.
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How would a Ki-100 be a hanger queen? Given the sorties flown in a Ki-84 and N1k-2 I would believe the Ki-100 being superior to both aircraft would actually get around the same amount of sorties if not somewhere in the middle.
Ki-84s and Nikis are not flown that much, I see two or three a day. Gives that both Ki-84 and Niki are faster than Ki-100 and have better guns I think anyone who would want to take an aircraft of that type would go with either a Ki-84 or a Niki.
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Why?
JUGgler
:headscratch: why not? could be a good trend if birds that were common in the actual early war years got included...imagine the time shift for early war and mid war...not to mention special events without "substitute"
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How would a Ki-100 be a hanger queen? Given the sorties flown in a Ki-84 and N1k-2 I would believe the Ki-100 being superior to both aircraft would actually get around the same amount of sorties if not somewhere in the middle.
Ki-100 was not superior to either the Ki-84 or the N1K2-J in anything other than reliability.
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Ki-84s and Nikis are not flown that much, I see two or three a day. ...<snip>
really? :headscratch:
current tour stats so far
Kills Deaths
Ki-84-Ia 5156 3727 1.38
N1K2 6735 5750 1.17
takes more than 1 or 2 a day to rack up those kind of numbers...
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give us the peashooter first. :noid
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Ki-100 was not superior to either the Ki-84 or the N1K2-J in anything other than reliability.
depends on the resource but...in general, the ki-100 had a max speed 2mph slower than the ki-84 and 9mph slower than the n1k2-j...service ceiling on the ki-100 was 36,100, ki-84 - 36,100, n1k2-j - 35,500...range was fairly good too, ki-100 - 1,243, ki-84 - 1025, n1k2-j 1,066...internal fuel only...not bad considering the fact that it was culled together and not originally designed that way.
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really? :headscratch:
current tour stats so far
Kills Deaths
Ki-84-Ia 5156 3727 1.38
N1K2 6735 5750 1.17
takes more than 1 or 2 a day to rack up those kind of numbers...
I actually looked at Lusche's pie chart for the entire 2010 year, seems N1K was way up there and Ki84 was in the middle of the pack with rest of 15-20 eny aircraft.
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I think adding the ki27 would be required before any discussion of the p63 since the only references in combat of the p63 states a ki27 shot down.
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I think adding the ki27 would be required before any discussion of the p63 since the only references in combat of the p63 states a ki27 shot down.
...the p63 king cobra? where did that plane get pulled into this discussion from? :headscratch:
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Possibly added, however it would be so far down in my list I would rather have Ki-100, Ki-45 or Ki-102, Ki-44, Ki-43 before the Ki-27.
At least in the LWA the Ki-100 and Ki-102 would have a chance.
I also think the Ki-44 would stand up pretty good in the LWA as well.
I love the Japanese planes and fly mostly only them. As much as I hate to be against any wish for any Japanese plane, this one is tough. It wouldn't get much MA use after a while, Special events....well....I'd kinda like to stick to the A6M2 substitute or the Ki-43 as a sub (when we get it) for that plane just for the boost in gun package we get over the Ki-27. But yea, it would get less MA and special events use than the I-16.
But its Japanese plane so +1
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depends on the resource but...in general, the ki-100 had a max speed 2mph slower than the ki-84 and 9mph slower than the n1k2-j...service ceiling on the ki-100 was 36,100, ki-84 - 36,100, n1k2-j - 35,500...range was fairly good too, ki-100 - 1,243, ki-84 - 1025, n1k2-j 1,066...internal fuel only...not bad considering the fact that it was culled together and not originally designed that way.
So, according to you the Ki-100 is 2mph slower than the 392mph Ki-84 and 9mph slower than the 369mph N1K2-J. How does that work?
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really? :headscratch:
current tour stats so far
Kills Deaths
Ki-84-Ia 5156 3727 1.38
N1K2 6735 5750 1.17
takes more than 1 or 2 a day to rack up those kind of numbers...
I did not say they are flown 1 or 2 times a day, I said that I see 1 or 2 a day. I can't possibly see every single airplane in both arenas.
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So, according to you the Ki-100 is 2mph slower than the 392mph Ki-84 and 9mph slower than the 369mph N1K2-J. How does that work?
I'm not touching the Ki-100s stats, from the various books I got I wouldn't know which one is more accurate. However here is my best guess -
Mph: 360
Climb rate: 2830
Max Alt: 36090
Far as turn radius - my best guess is slightly wider then a N1k, smaller then Ki-84
Pair of 20mm Ho-5 Cannons in wings, 12.7mm Ho-103 MG in the nose, capable of carrying a pair of 250kg GP Bombs or pair of 200 liter Drop tanks.
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So, according to you the Ki-100 is 2mph slower than the 392mph Ki-84 and 9mph slower than the 369mph N1K2-J. How does that work?
i mixed the numbers of course...duh :rolleyes: i've seen you do worse... :neener:
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i mixed the numbers of course...duh :rolleyes: i've seen you do worse... :neener:
Even if you reverse the numbers it still doesn't make sense. Something 9mph slower than the Ki-84 would not be 2mph slower than the N1K2-J, it would be 14mph faster.
The Ki-100 would perform very, very similarly to the Ki-61 we have in AH, fyi.
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ya you're right karnak, thank you for the correction... :salute
the ki-61-1 top top level speed (depending on source) ~350-368mph
the ki-100 (depending on source) 367-372mph
ki-84-1a (depending on source) 388-412mph
n1k2-j (depending on source) 363-370mph
the ki-84 numbers are a real head scratcher...had to do a lot of digging...2 different production engine possibilities and some discrepancies with fuel grades.
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...the p63 king cobra? where did that plane get pulled into this discussion from? :headscratch:
Right there in the post you quoted.
The ki27 should appear in game long before the p63 is even considered.
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the ki-84 numbers are a real head scratcher...had to do a lot of digging...2 different production engine possibilities and some discrepancies with fuel grades.
Yeah, Ki-84 performance is not a very clear cut subject.
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Ki-84 is more clear cut than you think... The engines all ran at the same output levels. Regardless of what the intent was, the actual outcome was always de-rating the later engines to run at the same power level of the original. So essentially all Ki-84s ran the same despite minor changes here and there.
EDIT: Hightone: Ki-44 would not be all that well accepted in the LWAs. It's a 1943 plane that at best had 2x 12.7mm and 2x7.7mm MGs or 4x 12.7mm MGs. With 1943 performance. Being the only Japanese plane that doesn't quite turn like a Japanese plane, I think it might get as much use as the Spit14. Folks wouldn't like it, and would just roll a A6M5 or Ki84 or __________ (fill in the blank here). I'd like it, yes, but welcomed in the LWA? No. Not so much. It would be a niche role in MA use. It's true usefulness would come out in scenarios or FSOs and the like.
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Ki-84 is more clear cut than you think... The engines all ran at the same output levels. Regardless of what the intent was, the actual outcome was always de-rating the later engines to run at the same power level of the original. So essentially all Ki-84s ran the same despite minor changes here and there.
Yeah, that's why the Japanese reports all detail the same performance levels......oh, that's right, they don't.
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No but that's why they say the Homare 45-21/23s were downrated to only run at the exact same levels as the Homare 45-12s, and the follow-up engine in 1945 was being built in the worst possible conditions with bad results.
Almost no engine late in the war built in Japan was able to perform as intended. Even the J7W Shinden never made its full power and had major overheating problems on just the prototype. This isn't just a matter of fuel quality (which was generally low for them) but also of metal tolerances in construction, assembly, seals, lubricants, O-rings, etc... It only takes a single rod to bend or a gasket to blow and it ruins your day rather quickly.
Plus there's just flat out a lot of wrong or misleading info on some of that late-war stuff. See the US numbers being circulated as Ki-84 true performance as an example, vs actual war-time capabilities.
EDIT: That said, a Ki-27 or A5M Claude would be nice eventually for this game. Very limited for early early war planesets in CBI and such. Ki-43 plays the part much better.
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KI44 might not "agile" as compared to a ki43 or zero but the american pilots who tested captured examples like it a lot.
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I think adding the ki27 would be required before any discussion of the p63 since the only references in combat of the p63 states a ki27 shot down.
There are other references of the P-63 being used in combat, it's just that it's hard to find official Soviet records but that doesn't mean there aren't additional resources.
ack-ack
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True akak....I will ask my buds at the russian warbirds freehost for information on that plane since they are russian.
Maybe they know someone who has a grandfather.......
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True akak....I will ask my buds at the russian warbirds freehost for information on that plane since they are russian.
Maybe they know someone who has a grandfather.......
The problem isn't so much of a lack of references but more like a lack of official documents. Having said that, I am starting to come to the line of thinking that it is quite possible that it did happen. All the right ingredients were present, the Ki-27 was most likely from the Manchukuo Air Force before the MAF was pressed into service with the IJAF as part of the Japanese 2nd Air Army. It is very plausible that when the Soviets invaded Manchukuo, the MAF tried to use their Ki-27bs to intercept or the Soviet P-63s encountered the Ki-27bs over the battle field.
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