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Offline gyrene81

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Re: ki27
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2011, 02:42:13 PM »
Quote from: JUGgler on May 26, 2011, 02:25:53 PM
Why?


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:headscratch:  why not? could be a good trend if birds that were common in the actual early war years got included...imagine the time shift for early war and mid war...not to mention special events without "substitute"
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Re: ki27
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2011, 02:42:33 PM »
Quote from: Butcher on May 26, 2011, 02:32:42 PM
How would a Ki-100 be a hanger queen? Given the sorties flown in a Ki-84 and N1k-2 I would believe the Ki-100 being superior to both aircraft would actually get around the same amount of sorties if not somewhere in the middle.
Ki-100 was not superior to either the Ki-84 or the N1K2-J in anything other than reliability.
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Re: ki27
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2011, 02:46:13 PM »
Quote from: MachFly on May 26, 2011, 02:40:24 PM
Ki-84s and Nikis are not flown that much, I see two or three a day. ...<snip>
really?   :headscratch:

current tour stats so far
             Kills    Deaths
Ki-84-Ia  5156   3727     1.38
N1K2      6735    5750     1.17

takes more than 1 or 2 a day to rack up those kind of numbers...
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Re: ki27
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2011, 03:15:15 PM »
give us the peashooter first.  :noid
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Re: ki27
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2011, 03:41:37 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on May 26, 2011, 02:42:33 PM
Ki-100 was not superior to either the Ki-84 or the N1K2-J in anything other than reliability.
depends on the resource but...in general, the ki-100 had a max speed 2mph slower than the ki-84 and 9mph slower than the n1k2-j...service ceiling on the ki-100 was 36,100, ki-84 - 36,100, n1k2-j - 35,500...range was fairly good too, ki-100 - 1,243, ki-84 - 1025, n1k2-j 1,066...internal fuel only...not bad considering the fact that it was culled together and not originally designed that way.
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Re: ki27
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2011, 03:52:07 PM »
Quote from: gyrene81 on May 26, 2011, 02:46:13 PM
really?   :headscratch:

current tour stats so far
             Kills    Deaths
Ki-84-Ia  5156   3727     1.38
N1K2      6735    5750     1.17

takes more than 1 or 2 a day to rack up those kind of numbers...

I actually looked at Lusche's pie chart for the entire 2010 year, seems N1K was way up there and Ki84 was in the middle of the pack with rest of 15-20 eny aircraft.
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Re: ki27
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2011, 05:10:23 PM »
I think adding the ki27 would be required before any discussion of the p63 since the only references in combat of the p63 states a ki27 shot down.
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Re: ki27
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2011, 05:31:28 PM »
Quote from: icepac on May 26, 2011, 05:10:23 PM
I think adding the ki27 would be required before any discussion of the p63 since the only references in combat of the p63 states a ki27 shot down.
...the p63 king cobra? where did that plane get pulled into this discussion from?  :headscratch:
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Re: ki27
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2011, 06:25:15 PM »
Quote from: Butcher on May 26, 2011, 01:52:18 PM
Possibly added, however it would be so far down in my list I would rather have Ki-100, Ki-45 or Ki-102, Ki-44, Ki-43 before the Ki-27.
At least in the LWA the Ki-100 and Ki-102 would have a chance.


I also think the Ki-44 would stand up pretty good in the LWA as well.


I love the Japanese planes and fly mostly only them. As much as I hate to be against any wish for any Japanese plane, this one is tough. It wouldn't get much MA use after a while, Special events....well....I'd kinda like to stick to the A6M2 substitute or the Ki-43 as a sub (when we get it) for that plane just for the boost in gun package we get over the Ki-27. But yea, it would get less MA and special events use than the I-16.



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Re: ki27
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2011, 07:56:28 PM »
Quote from: gyrene81 on May 26, 2011, 03:41:37 PM
depends on the resource but...in general, the ki-100 had a max speed 2mph slower than the ki-84 and 9mph slower than the n1k2-j...service ceiling on the ki-100 was 36,100, ki-84 - 36,100, n1k2-j - 35,500...range was fairly good too, ki-100 - 1,243, ki-84 - 1025, n1k2-j 1,066...internal fuel only...not bad considering the fact that it was culled together and not originally designed that way.
So, according to you the Ki-100 is 2mph slower than the 392mph Ki-84 and 9mph slower than the 369mph N1K2-J.  How does that work?
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Re: ki27
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2011, 08:43:10 PM »
Quote from: gyrene81 on May 26, 2011, 02:46:13 PM
really?   :headscratch:

current tour stats so far
             Kills    Deaths
Ki-84-Ia  5156   3727     1.38
N1K2      6735    5750     1.17

takes more than 1 or 2 a day to rack up those kind of numbers...

I did not say they are flown 1 or 2 times a day, I said that I see 1 or 2 a day. I can't possibly see every single airplane in both arenas.
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Re: ki27
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2011, 08:58:43 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on May 26, 2011, 07:56:28 PM
So, according to you the Ki-100 is 2mph slower than the 392mph Ki-84 and 9mph slower than the 369mph N1K2-J.  How does that work?

I'm not touching the Ki-100s stats, from the various books I got I wouldn't know which one is more accurate.  However here is my best guess -
Mph: 360
Climb rate: 2830
Max Alt: 36090
Far as turn radius - my best guess is slightly wider then a N1k, smaller then Ki-84

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Re: ki27
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2011, 09:12:59 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on May 26, 2011, 07:56:28 PM
So, according to you the Ki-100 is 2mph slower than the 392mph Ki-84 and 9mph slower than the 369mph N1K2-J.  How does that work?
i mixed the numbers of course...duh  :rolleyes:  i've seen you do worse...  :neener:
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Re: ki27
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2011, 11:24:43 PM »
Quote from: gyrene81 on May 26, 2011, 09:12:59 PM
i mixed the numbers of course...duh  :rolleyes:  i've seen you do worse...  :neener:
Even if you reverse the numbers it still doesn't make sense.  Something 9mph slower than the Ki-84 would not be 2mph slower than the N1K2-J, it would be 14mph faster.

The Ki-100 would perform very, very similarly to the Ki-61 we have in AH, fyi.
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Re: ki27
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2011, 07:49:51 AM »
ya you're right karnak, thank you for the correction...  :salute


the ki-61-1 top top level speed (depending on source) ~350-368mph
the ki-100 (depending on source) 367-372mph
ki-84-1a (depending on source) 388-412mph
n1k2-j (depending on source) 363-370mph


the ki-84 numbers are a real head scratcher...had to do a lot of digging...2 different production engine possibilities and some discrepancies with fuel grades.
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