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Title: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Meatwad on May 25, 2011, 05:39:57 PM
Our turn here in southern IL, MO, KY  :(

Tornado sirens going off as I type. No basement either
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 25, 2011, 05:41:52 PM
Our turn here in southern IL, MO, KY  :(

Tornado sirens going off as I type. No basement either
Take shelter in a closer in the middle of your house, or get in a bathtub and put a blanket over you.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: EskimoJoe on May 25, 2011, 05:43:27 PM
Take shelter in a closer in the middle of your house, or get in a bathtub and put a blanket over you.

I'm not sure I'd take this kids advice.

Any neighbors with underground shelters??
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: fudgums on May 25, 2011, 05:46:25 PM
We did the same when one came through a couple of weeks ago
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 25, 2011, 06:25:47 PM
I'm not sure I'd take this kids advice.

Any neighbors with underground shelters??
Your seriously starting to piss me off, keep to yourself. I'm telling him what I have been told and its what my family does.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Meatwad on May 25, 2011, 06:57:45 PM
Whole neighborhood on either crawl spaces or slabs. Confirmed touchdown 10 miles east and 6 miles south heading to the NE.

The cell is past us now, all clear for this part of the county

Actually a spotter and ham so been relaying reports to the weather net.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 25, 2011, 07:02:46 PM
Whole neighborhood on either crawl spaces or slabs. Confirmed touchdown 10 miles east and 6 miles south heading to the NE.

The cell is past us now, all clear for this part of the county
Good, glad your all okay.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Meatwad on May 25, 2011, 07:03:04 PM
Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: PFactorDave on May 25, 2011, 07:04:40 PM
Whole neighborhood on either crawl spaces or slabs. Confirmed touchdown 10 miles east and 6 miles south heading to the NE.

The cell is past us now, all clear for this part of the county

Actually a spotter and ham so been relaying reports to the weather net.

I'm a bit North of you in Mt Zion, it got a little hairy for a bit here too.  Hail and that spooky greenish sky that precedes the really nasty stuff.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 25, 2011, 07:07:32 PM
I'm a bit North of you in Mt Zion, it got a little hairy for a bit here too.  Hail and that spooky greenish sky that precedes the really nasty stuff.
Did you by any chance get a picture? Not trying to void safety I was just curious.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: PFactorDave on May 25, 2011, 07:11:01 PM
Did you by any chance get a picture? Not trying to void safety I was just curious.

No, I didn't feel like unpacking the camera equipment.  I did a wedding on Saturday and my gear is still stowed in cases.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 25, 2011, 07:13:00 PM
No, I didn't feel like unpacking the camera equipment.  I did a wedding on Saturday and my gear is still stowed in cases.
Oh, well if you ever could that would be pretty cool, Like i've said before we don't get severe weather here in Georgia often.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: PFactorDave on May 25, 2011, 07:17:14 PM
Oh, well if you ever could that would be pretty cool, Like i've said before we don't get severe weather here in Georgia often.

I used to take lightning pictures a lot.  If I think of it later, I'll see if I can find some of them.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Meatwad on May 25, 2011, 07:21:34 PM
Got green here also, sickly green. Had the camera out but no pictures since about 75% of the sky here is blocked by trees
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: EskimoJoe on May 25, 2011, 07:44:34 PM
Your seriously starting to piss me off

Boo-hoo.

Perhaps you should change your tone to 'this is what my family does' from 'do this or you'll probably die'.

Good to hear you're alright Meat!
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Frodo on May 25, 2011, 07:46:26 PM
When this storm cleared ST.L and the river it looked like it was going to smash Illinois good. Lost some punch as it did and good thing.  :aok
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Meatwad on May 25, 2011, 07:53:20 PM
Did get 1.1 inches of rain and still a nice shower currently. Temp has dropped 20 degrees since an hour and a half ago

EDIT - Thanks joe  :)
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Tyrannis on May 25, 2011, 09:08:33 PM
Boo-hoo.

Perhaps you should change your tone to 'this is what my family does' from 'do this or you'll probably die'.

Good to hear you're alright Meat!
gotta love the people who act tough while hiding behind a screen.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 25, 2011, 09:11:23 PM
gotta love the people who act tough while hiding behind a screen.
I Agree, i don't use the internet to make myself look tough. I also don't try to pick any fights...
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: ghi on May 25, 2011, 09:14:43 PM
Tornado in California:!???? :O
http://www.kcra.com/video/28028033/detail.html

Indiana, looks bad also
http://www.wishtv.com/generic/video/local_weather_station/2374_alt/
 
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: EskimoJoe on May 25, 2011, 09:37:36 PM
gotta love the people who act tough while hiding behind a screen.

Acting tough and hiding behind a screen?

I'd say that to anybody as stupid as him in 'the real world' too, and have
on several occasions.

I'll gladly PM you my address any day you're in Alaska.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: EskimoJoe on May 25, 2011, 09:38:11 PM
I Agree, i don't use the internet to make myself look tough. I also don't try to pick any fights...

Nah, it'd take a little more than some internet to make you look tough...
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Tyrannis on May 25, 2011, 09:58:38 PM
Acting tough and hiding behind a screen?

I'd say that to anybody as stupid as him in 'the real world' too, and have
on several occasions.

I'll gladly PM you my address any day you're in Alaska.
:rofl big words coming from a boy behind a screen!

and alaska eh? no wonder your so brave on these boards. i think i only know 2 people total on these boards who live in alaska. so dont use the "i'll pm you my address to show you im not scared" line when you live in the most uninhabited state on this board.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: FiLtH on May 25, 2011, 10:03:49 PM
I bet i could dig a hole pretty fast!

  Go to Lowes/Home Depot and price some plywood for forms and concrete.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 25, 2011, 10:06:57 PM
:rofl big words coming from a boy behind a screen!

and alaska eh? no wonder your so brave on these boards. i think i only know 2 people total on these boards who live in alaska. so dont use the "i'll pm you my address to show you im not scared" line when you live in the most uninhabited state on this board.  :rolleyes:
I think he could use a vacation. I don't like being called stupid also, I would read rule #4, cause you sure are breaking it way to often Eskimo. And I'm not flaming, I love everyone, but your attitude could really use a check to benefit everyone on the board.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: M0nkey_Man on May 25, 2011, 10:07:32 PM
eskimo the new flametard in town?
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Estes on May 25, 2011, 10:47:15 PM
I think he could use a vacation. I don't like being called stupid also, I would read rule #4, cause you sure are breaking it way to often Eskimo. And I'm not flaming, I love everyone, but your attitude could really use a check to benefit everyone on the board.
If you don't like being called stupid, you really aren't helping your cause by posting links to your youtube channel. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 25, 2011, 10:52:05 PM
If you don't like being called stupid, you really aren't helping your cause by posting links to your youtube channel. Just sayin'.
I understand what your saying, and i'll stop if that will make you happy. I'm really getting tired of getting chewed out on here anyway.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: EskimoJoe on May 25, 2011, 11:10:57 PM
Meatwad, I'm sorry your thread was hijacked. I suppose it's officially squeaker season, yeah?

Either way...

I bet i could dig a hole pretty fast!

  Go to Lowes/Home Depot and price some plywood for forms and concrete.

Doesn't sound like bad advice!  :aok
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 25, 2011, 11:15:36 PM
 :rofl he's sorry for the trouble he caused is what he meant to say.

eskimo the new flametard in town?
Could be  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: EskimoJoe on May 25, 2011, 11:17:52 PM
:rofl he's sorry for the trouble he caused is what he meant to say.

Yes, because I'm the one who posted saying how 'pissed' I was.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 25, 2011, 11:22:38 PM
Perhaps I might suggest how its odd how i'm the one who's been positive this whole time, despite you calling me stupid and such. I'm not the one breaking rules here. Read the rules that Skuzzy made for this board, you might learn something. Especially rule #4
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Tyrannis on May 25, 2011, 11:43:09 PM
Meatwad, I'm sorry your thread was hijacked. I suppose it's officially squeaker season, yeah?

Either way...

Doesn't sound like bad advice!  :aok
funny how people abuse the word "squeaker" against any group of people that might disagree with the original persons views on a think.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 25, 2011, 11:59:21 PM
funny how people abuse the word "squeaker" against any group of people that might disagree with the original persons views on a think.
When I started out on this game a few years ago "Squeaker" meant a kid with a high pitched voice.  :confused:
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Tyrannis on May 26, 2011, 12:06:43 AM
When I started out on this game a few years ago "Squeaker" meant a kid with a high pitched voice.  :confused:
ditto  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: cactuskooler on May 26, 2011, 12:49:29 AM
Tornado in California:!???? :O
http://www.kcra.com/video/28028033/detail.html

Two or three, including that one, came down today just a few minutes drive from where I live. Apart from this past month, I don't remember ever having any tornadoes in the 14 years I've been here.

There's a few orchards of Almonds that had all their trees uprooted or simply snapped in two. I guess it's tame compared to what some of the country sees, but a little frightening for us.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 26, 2011, 12:51:35 AM
With these F4-F5 tornadoes roaming around how come every house doesn't have an underground shelter already? You'd think that would be mandatory like having reinforced structure on earthquake zones.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Meatwad on May 26, 2011, 06:19:21 AM
My guess is that for this area is that it isnt in the building code for storm shelters. Not 100% sure about the earthquake one either. By seeing new construction here and there in this area, I assume it is a no also.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: canacka on May 26, 2011, 06:42:57 AM
It also depends on the water table in the area of where the house is to be built.  If the foundation is saturated all the time, the water can eat it away.  Then you have the EPA and all their concerns about mold and such.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Shuffler on May 26, 2011, 08:54:14 AM
I'm not sure I'd take this kids advice.

Any neighbors with underground shelters??

With nowhere else to go that is the suggested defense.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Slash27 on May 26, 2011, 09:16:50 AM
Two or three, including that one, came down today just a few minutes drive from where I live. Apart from this past month, I don't remember ever having any tornadoes in the 14 years I've been here.

I don't think those two reporters have seen many either :D
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: dedalos on May 26, 2011, 09:18:06 AM
Your seriously starting to piss me off, keep to yourself. I'm telling him what I have been told and its what my family does.

Bah, don;t worry about it.  Most old people even though they will not admit it, hate kids.  You got what they don't and they got what you don't.  But no one wants what they have lol
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Vudak on May 26, 2011, 11:30:48 AM
Eskimo, no offense, but if you got this impression:


Perhaps you should change your tone to 'this is what my family does' from 'do this or you'll probably die'.


From this post:

Quote
Take shelter in a closer in the middle of your house, or get in a bathtub and put a blanket over you.

Then the problem is on your end...
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Lepape2 on May 26, 2011, 01:56:56 PM
Eskimo, no offense, but if you got this impression:

From this post:

Then the problem is on your end...

I think hiding in the baththub is the last thing I'd do if an F5 tornado rips my home appart. For me it sounds a bit like the "Duck and Cover" video during the cold war. Finding a neighbor with a basement and become good friends with him is the best idea to prevent you from becoming hazardous debris...

You saw the destruction after the last devastating Missouri tornado? I'm sure the closet you would be hiding in will be a couple miles away from your home there...
Don't underestimate the power of these things.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: ghi on May 26, 2011, 02:13:00 PM
Lepape, you better "duck and cover",  :lol ,all the states south of Quebec are in tornado watch, and looks like the front is moving NE to Montreal;
http://www.weather.gov/
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Lepape2 on May 26, 2011, 02:16:15 PM
Lepape, you better "duck and cover",  :lol ,all the states south of Quebec are in tornado watch, and looks like the front is moving NE to Montreal;
http://www.weather.gov/

:rofl :rofl :rofl
Oh please someone SAVE ME!!!

EDIT: in all seriousness, guys, stay stafe. Looks very bad down there.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 26, 2011, 02:33:43 PM
I think hiding in the baththub is the last thing I'd do if an F5 tornado rips my home appart. For me it sounds a bit like the "Duck and Cover" video during the cold war. Finding a neighbor with a basement and become good friends with him is the best idea to prevent you from becoming hazardous debris...

You saw the destruction after the last devastating Missouri tornado? I'm sure the closet you would be hiding in will be a couple miles away from your home there...
Don't underestimate the power of these things.
I meant it more as a option if a tornado is to close. Hiding in the center of your house is the best thing to do if its close cause the middle is often the sturdiest. A bath tub can also work. I mean i'd prefer the closet idea. Around here no one in my neighborhood has a basement so you kinda have separate rules for different scenarios.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Tyrannis on May 26, 2011, 02:46:45 PM
I think hiding in the baththub is the last thing I'd do if an F5 tornado rips my home appart. For me it sounds a bit like the "Duck and Cover" video during the cold war. Finding a neighbor with a basement and become good friends with him is the best idea to prevent you from becoming hazardous debris...

You saw the destruction after the last devastating Missouri tornado? I'm sure the closet you would be hiding in will be a couple miles away from your home there...
Don't underestimate the power of these things.
it is a little naive, but it IS what your told to do if you live in a house without a basement.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: ROX on May 26, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
Sad to see a thread of positive original intent get wrestled into some folks public urination match.  :rolleyes:

There are a few things to consider from these threads this week.

If you live in an area even slightly prone to tornados or flooding get a NOAA weather radio.  The life you save may be your own and your own family.  The responsibility for saving your own bacon (as well as possessions) is yours & yours alone.

Have a tornado/flood plan in advance and follow it.  If you have to improvise because a certain part of a situation has changed, improvise in whatever way is the safest.  No, not every home in America can have a basement or crawlspace.  I wouldn't trust a crawlspace.  We live on a mountainside so we are lucky that the back side of the property slopes to allow a full stand-up (with metal lockable door) storm shelter with light as well as a place to hang emergency radios directly underneath the house (as if a partial basement, you can't live there but it's a GREAT storm shelter for us and the dogs).  It's dry, completely surrounded by cinderblock and concrete under Steel I-beam construction.  We're lucky.  Folks 200 miles due south of me in Louisiana are so close to the water table they can't even bury people below ground much less build a basement.  We have more tornados than they do but they have more hurricanes than we do.  Truth is--even the cable TV networks are telling people that if they have no other option--get everyone into the bathtub and put a mattress over you.  It may be the thing that saves your bacon.

In April a tornado killed 2 local people (friends of my wife) right here in town.  Seeing a 26 year old man in the same casket as a 15 month old little girl (his daughter) is all the heart wrenching wake-up that anyone needs to realize this is life and death serious.  We've had 10 or so state deaths in April and had another 4 deaths night before last--all from tornados.  

Oh, and HUGE difference between "Storm Spotters" and "Storm Chasers"  Be a "Storm Spotter"...they get training and usually need to get certafied.  "Storm Chasers" are almost always untrained hot dogs that put themselves and others in danger simply for a few seconds of footage for youtube.  I wish youtube would refuse their videos.  It's like "The MTV produced films with asanine stunts called after a Biblical term for a donkey" in it's most dangerous extreme.

PS--AN EF-4 or 5 Tornado is almost impossible to plan against. As seen in Alabama and even in Joplin--People in Joplin in a brick & mortar hospital died from tornado injuries.  A Few at that hospital died when the tornado knocked out commercial power as well as their back-up generator and a few people on ventilators in ICU died.  Yeah, there were "ambu" bags there but if nurses are injured and can't get to that patient they die in 5 minutes...sad.  Bottom line:  You can have a nice comfy basement or protective shelter and an EF-4 or 5 can still send you and your belongings into the air counties away.  You might get lucky vs an EF 4 or 5.  Emphasis on LUCKY.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Babalonian on May 26, 2011, 04:00:24 PM
With these F4-F5 tornadoes roaming around how come every house doesn't have an underground shelter already? You'd think that would be mandatory like having reinforced structure on earthquake zones.

California seismic and safety codes as mandated by OSHPD would of gone light-years for that hospital that got hit too.  That whole incident has us shaking our heads at how many emergency generators at hospitals in this country, outside our state, aren't bolted/secured to slabs or foundations around this country, not to mention the 5 or so patients that got sucked out of their rooms and died.

I know I can plug in another "progressive California, leading the way" pitch, but I sincerely hope those of you in Tornado Alley with concern are writing your state legislatures.


Meatwad, do you guys have a low water table or live in a flood plain?  If not, your neighborhood should pitch in and discuss building some community shelters, it's one of those things that everyone doesn't really know when or how badly you'll need it until it's too late.


Sad to see a thread of positive original intent get wrestled into some folks public urination match.  :rolleyes:


That time of the year, it'll only get worse the closer we get to July.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 26, 2011, 04:13:08 PM
That time of the year, it'll only get worse the closer we get to July.
Cause all the kids are out of school.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Slash27 on May 26, 2011, 04:36:15 PM
Oh, and HUGE difference between "Storm Spotters" and "Storm Chasers"  Be a "Storm Spotter"...they get training and usually need to get certafied.  "Storm Chasers" are almost always untrained hot dogs that put themselves and others in danger simply for a few seconds of footage for youtube.  I wish youtube would refuse their videos.  It's like "The MTV produced films with asanine stunts called after a Biblical term for a donkey" in it's most dangerous extreme.

PS--AN EF-4 or 5 Tornado is almost impossible to plan against. As seen in Alabama and even in Joplin--People in Joplin in a brick & mortar hospital died from tornado injuries.  A Few at that hospital died when the tornado knocked out commercial power as well as their back-up generator and a few people on ventilators in ICU died.  Yeah, there were "ambu" bags there but if nurses are injured and can't get to that patient they die in 5 minutes...sad.  Bottom line:  You can have a nice comfy basement or protective shelter and an EF-4 or 5 can still send you and your belongings into the air counties away.  You might get lucky vs an EF 4 or 5.  Emphasis on LUCKY.
 

Well, to generalize chasers and spotters as being two different things is offbase. The two go hand in hand. I can cite examples of yahoo chasers but the NWS does rely on chasers who are trained spotters. A lot of them are very well equipped and have years of experience. I don't really agree you can not prepare for an EF4+ event. I like my chances in a specifically designed storm shelter vs any other option. A basement does not compare well to a shelter.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Babalonian on May 26, 2011, 05:17:50 PM
ROX have you seen pictures of that hospital?  It's not brick and mortar, but I wish it were.  I don't even want to think of what it's fire rating would be if we went by the codes as they are out here in CA, the building barely looks sprinklered (and that's probabley all that it is), but out here I doubt it would qualify for occupancy as a warehouse nevermind a hospital.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: icepac on May 26, 2011, 05:25:52 PM
Best way to avoid getting hurt in any inclement weather is to be where said weather is not.

Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: ROX on May 26, 2011, 06:51:42 PM
 

Well, to generalize chasers and spotters as being two different things is offbase. The two go hand in hand.


Your first two sentances are THE example of the mistaken understanding with the general public between "Storm Spotters" and "Storm Chasers", and the differences are 180 degrees apart.  Your stating this on a public forum (and thank you for doing it  :aok, really) shows the public misconception and the difference beween saving lives and costing lives.  Hopefully, your bringing this up in a public way just might save a life or two, which is why I am sincerely thanking you instead of being internet snarky--which is wrong when it involes peoples lives. :aok  No joke Slash, you may have saved lives with your post because the vast majority of the American public can't tell the difference either.



Now, let's save a life (or MANY) and see if in the end, we can get more ARES members as a result!  :aok



EXAMPLE:   Monday, a cable news network (I won't name) aired the film of a "Storm Chaser" on international TV of him getting within 1/2 mile of an EF-2 tornado simply for the adrenaline rush and to post it on youtube.  You could clearly hear his girlfriend in the background screaming and sobbing in fear.  At the next intersection, rather than do a 180, pull a U turn and head back South, the "Storm Chaser" FLOORS it, goes to the next intersection and makes a nearly FATAL left hand turn (90 degrees left directly INTO the path of the tornado) and FLOORS it again, all the while his girlfriend continuing to scream and sob--fearing for her life in the background audio.  He had no two way radio communication (cell phones are worthless if the tornado has taken out the local towers), was not linked in to a two way radio network tracking the tornado, was not passing live tornado ground speed estimates, was not reporting tornado ground width estimates--worse yet--no one (most likely) besides he and his girlfriend even knew he was there, and broke every trained rule of staying a safe distance--much less providing himself at least two safe safe routes of escape.

That, is EIGHT individual (possibly fatal for himself and passenger) safety mistakes that TRAINED "Storm Spotters" are trained and drilled on time and time again to never make.  And THAT, Sir, is what happens when hot dogs go out and put their own lives in possible fatal danger and others (not to mention law enforcement officers who have to try and keep these morons out of harm's way) because they are untrained "Storm Chasers vs a licensed and traind "Storm Spotter".  There are still over 200 people missing from the Joplin, MO tornado alone.  How many of those (or even the dead) were unlicensed, untrained, uneducated "Storm Chasers" out looking for kicks and a spot on youtube?  Prayerfully, hopefully, NONE, but we will never know, will we?  This is the 180 degree difference between trained observers with adaquate communications and funerals just waiting to happen.

"Storm Spotters" are trained observers.  They have all passed a federal communications license test (between one and three exams, possibly 4 depending on how long they have been licensed) at their own educational study time and personal expense.  They then have taken advanced storm spotting and storm safety course through their local ARES (Amateur Radio Emergency Service) club, following the ARRL (Amateur Radio Relay League http://www.arrl.org (http://www.arrl.org) ARES syllabus and training materials to get their accreditation.  They have communications equipment (at their own expense) and usually participate in weekly on-air network meetings and usually yearly emergency drills (some clubs do hands on drills with local LEO, fire, and hospital participation other than Field Day the last weekend in June).  These "hams" are eager if not over-eager to help others (read that "new people") into the hobby and into the ARES service to help in Public Service.  ARES classes and education for Storm Spotting is FREE, but available via local clubs to federal licenced radio amateurs only. ARES communications as storm spotters are officially recognised by the National Weather Service as reliable storm spotting information.  The National Weather Service also provides in-classroom instruction as part of the ARES study accreditation for "fixed" as well as "mobile" storm spotters. That's the reason you see so many TV stations nationwide re-broadcasting ARES Storm Spotting VHF network communications on local TV during their emergency storm break-away reports.  They do this here in Central Arkansas regularly during Tornado Warning situations. THIS is the ONLY time such re-broadcasts are deemed legal by the FCC...emergency communications overrides normal rules for life/death situations.

There very well might be CB'ers or cell phone Storm Chasers, who knows.  I do know that unless they are involved in the Storm Spotting Communications Network and ARES they are viewed by NWS as outsiders and their info, even if submitted at all, will be viewed as skeptical.

I was also VERY clear in my PS regarding any storm "fall-back" position as being Lucky and Lucky only in the presence of an EF-4 or EF5 (much less a direct hit from an EF-3) as being LUCKY to survive only.  Please re-read my previous post.  It's crystal clear on the matter.






  
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: ROX on May 26, 2011, 07:28:09 PM
ROX have you seen pictures of that hospital?  It's not brick and mortar, but I wish it were.  I don't even want to think of what it's fire rating would be if we went by the codes as they are out here in CA, the building barely looks sprinklered (and that's probabley all that it is), but out here I doubt it would qualify for occupancy as a warehouse nevermind a hospital.

Not sure at what you were actually looking at but here's the street view of St. John's Mercy Hospital St. Josephs, MO (aka "Oakland") on McClelland Avenue..."pre" tornado, obviously.  This pic is just the "street front" ER and trauma entrances, most of the rooms and visitor's parking is on the other side...pretty big facility, actually.

(http://www.entertainmentworlds.com/StJohns_St Jo.jpg)



http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=37.060899,-94.532108&spn=0,0.00479&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.060899,-94.532108&panoid=cK_IQV9fHlQgN3uel9fVng&cbp=12,124.43,,0,-2.22 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=37.060899,-94.532108&spn=0,0.00479&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=37.060899,-94.532108&panoid=cK_IQV9fHlQgN3uel9fVng&cbp=12,124.43,,0,-2.22)

Just like every Mercy Hospital in the chain, build very well.  The consultants are debating saving the original structure vs a total rebuild...the word is not final as of yet.

The Google link gives you the "look around" street view option with a mouse...just do it slowly.

It was a full service 370 bed Regional Facility.

Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Meatwad on May 26, 2011, 07:36:09 PM
Meatwad, do you guys have a low water table or live in a flood plain?  If not, your neighborhood should pitch in and discuss building some community shelters, it's one of those things that everyone doesn't really know when or how badly you'll need it until it's too late.


That time of the year, it'll only get worse the closer we get to July.


This part of town the water table is very high. This area of town sits a little lower then the rest but as being an actual flood plain there has been no knowwn flooding in this part of town history wise. Just that it sits lower then the rest which puts the water table starting to hit only a few feet below ground.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Babalonian on May 26, 2011, 07:44:14 PM
It's not brick and mortar.  

We just finished as cosultants building a new hospital for Mercy in Merced, likely will be working with them again soon on another new project as the entire team on Mercy Merced came in ahead of schedule and on budget.

Like all health care providers they prioritize building a hospital so it operates as effeciently and economicaly (profit generating) as possible while conforming and adhering to all national, state and local building codes and ordnances.

As evidenced by this recent disaster, if they don't have to pay for engineering and installing an ancoring system for their emergency generators and backup systems (as mandated by the State of CA OSHPD, under penalty steep fines and/or voiding the building's permit to be occupied), then they don't.  I've dealt with the client representatives that we have to get change orders aproved by while designing or constructing, the first thing out of their mouth when we tell them how much it will cost is "no" and then we have to persuade them that they have to in order to comply, and then their attitude changes.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Babalonian on May 26, 2011, 07:45:23 PM

This part of town the water table is very high. This area of town sits a little lower then the rest but as being an actual flood plain there has been no knowwn flooding in this part of town history wise. Just that it sits lower then the rest which puts the water table starting to hit only a few feet below ground.

Hmmm, then that may be why threre are no shelters around you.   :(
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: ROX on May 26, 2011, 07:47:56 PM
It's not brick and mortar.  


Above photo of said brick & mortar photo and street view link provided.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Slash27 on May 26, 2011, 07:52:45 PM
So they have EF5 proof hospitals in California? Nice

I'll reply to you when I get home ROX.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 26, 2011, 08:06:20 PM
Storms are passing Georgia now. Are these what are left of the cell that tore apart the middle of the country?



Edit: I also got some spectacular footage of the clouds laying extremely low with my phone. Its HD so its super clear. Problem is I can't upload it onto you tube.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Slash27 on May 26, 2011, 11:20:09 PM

Now, let's save a life (or MANY) and see if in the end, we can get more ARES members as a result!  :aok
 

Well golly gee, after 20 years in public safety I finally get to make a difference!!

 If you bothered to read and understand my first two "sentances" it could have saved you a little time on your cute little condescending response. I'll cover it again for you. Storm chasers and storm spotters do indeed go hand in hand as many chasers are the "licenced" storm spotters. Actually all serious storm chasers are certified spotters and many provide the training for new spotters. They do indeed report all things you fault the one example of not doing. You state "There very well might be CB'ers or cell phone Storm Chasers, who knows." Well being so informed about storm spotters, how has the fact that chasers use all the technology you posted escaped you? They indeed use HAM, cell phones, VHF radios, high speed internet with Barons Threatnet, Weather Defender, GRLevel3,anemometers, GFS and NAM computer models, and on and on to be on top of these storms, and pass on the info to NWS, local 911 dispatchers, and the media. I can only guess you are misinformed or confused about the nature of what's actually going on in the field. Not mention the storm chasers that go out every season to gather scientific data to aid in the forecasting of severe weather events. So again, spotters and chasers do indeed go hand in hand despite what it is you think. Yes, there are people out there chasing who have no training, no experience, and are out there for the pure rush of it. And to state the obvious they have no business doing so. But to indict the entire storm chasing community like you have is just silly.
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"Storm Chasers" are almost always untrained hot dogs that put themselves and others in danger simply for a few seconds of footage for youtube.
What a load of crap.

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I was also VERY clear in my PS regarding any storm "fall-back" position as being Lucky and Lucky only in the presence of an EF-4 or EF5 (much less a direct hit from an EF-3) as being LUCKY to survive only.  Please re-read my previous post.  It's crystal clear on the matter.
I did read it. And what's crystal clear is you don't know wtf you're talking about. You can prepare for such events and your best chance of survival is an underground shelter such as this.

(http://www.rjwprecast.com/Strom%20Shelters_files/image001.jpg)

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Hopefully, your bringing this up in a public way just might save a life or two, which is why I am sincerely thanking you instead of being internet snarky--which is wrong when it involes peoples lives.
Save your thanks and get better informed when it comes to the life saving business. The crap you post is irresponsible



And if anyone else is still reading I thought this site was pretty cool for those who live in moblie/modular homes. These should be standard equipment.
http://www.safeporch.com/photos.html



Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 26, 2011, 11:27:04 PM
I've heard that laying down in a Ditch works if your in a car? Is that true and why? Also, if your right next to a thick forest a tornado comes sweeping through would it be a good idea at all do run into the forest and hold onto a sturdy tree? Don't think of me as stupid I'm just asking.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Slash27 on May 26, 2011, 11:45:56 PM
If you are down to a choice between being in your car or getting out and lying in the ditch, the lesser of two evils is the ditch. The theory is you want to get to as a low a spot as possible to avoid the winds and debris. The car might protect you from the weakest tornado winds, and a huge stress on the might, but you are in now way going to be able to determine the strength of the tornado, and cars become airborne deathtraps. The honest truth is if it comes to that it's in Gods hands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbENTN7p_-o


The holding on to a tree thing just isn't a realistic option.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFeufWFPVm4&feature=related
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 26, 2011, 11:53:22 PM
If you are down to a choice between being in your car or getting out and lying in the ditch, the lesser of two evils is the ditch. The theory is you want to get to as a low a spot as possible to avoid the winds and debris. The car might protect you from the weakest tornado winds, and a huge stress on the might, but you are in now way going to be able to determine the strength of the tornado, and cars become airborne deathtraps. The honest truth is if it comes to that it's in Gods hands.

The holding on to a tree thing just isn't a realistic option.
Not to mention staying in your car and having the debris flying around and smashing you to little bits. Like In twister when the iron bars were flying and collided with the car killing the driver, its just a movie but it proves a point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wPDgAShD9E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wPDgAShD9E) Staying calm and not panicking would also help. The link I showed you is off of Break but its cool because the guy is in his car talking to his wife and staying cool as a tornado comes barreling down less than maybe 500 feet away? (i'm a horrible judge of distance) My family has a plan to hide in the two closets at the middle of my house downstairs if it comes to that. Its always good to be prepared but like you said, your life is in God's hands.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Slash27 on May 27, 2011, 12:03:10 AM
My family has a plan to hide in the two closets at the middle of my house downstairs if it comes to that. Its always good to be prepared but like you said, your life is in God's hands.
:aok
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: B-17 on May 27, 2011, 12:04:55 AM
well...eskimo seems to have taken cover in a bathtub...how ironic.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 27, 2011, 12:09:10 AM
well...eskimo seems to have taken cover in a bathtub...how ironic.
He's gone?
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Estes on May 27, 2011, 12:19:18 AM
:aok
:rofl You owe me a new pair of pants, I just pissed mine.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Tupac on May 27, 2011, 12:23:53 AM
:rofl You owe me a new pair of pants, I just pissed mine.

(http://i315.photobucket.com/albums/ll441/robotllama/ScruffySecond.jpg)
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 27, 2011, 12:29:36 AM
 :rofl Tupac your picture
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: EskimoJoe on May 27, 2011, 01:13:29 AM
He's gone?

No, actually. I'm still here, laughing at you behind my monitor.

well...eskimo seems to have taken cover in a bathtub...how ironic.

Taken cover? Nah, sorry. Cold bath.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Tyrannis on May 27, 2011, 02:06:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e37haDGp1ok&NR=1&feature=fvwp


check this out. a (747?) tried to do an emergency landing during a tornado. nearly got blown off the runway but recovers in time to take off again.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Lepape2 on May 27, 2011, 10:42:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e37haDGp1ok&NR=1&feature=fvwp


check this out. a (747?) tried to do an emergency landing during a tornado. nearly got blown off the runway but recovers in time to take off again.

Okay first, that's not a 747 (747 has FOUR engines), thats an Aibus A320... and these winds are just crosswinds. Not a tornado. Its right wing was raised too high and caught in the wind, causing it to scrape the other on the ground.

EDIT: here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-524615/Lufthansa-jet-split-second-crashing-wingtip-hits-runway-freak-winds.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-524615/Lufthansa-jet-split-second-crashing-wingtip-hits-runway-freak-winds.html)

So actually, it was from a hurricane.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: dedalos on May 27, 2011, 11:21:43 AM
Soooo, whats today's weather forecast?  :lol
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: SEraider on May 27, 2011, 12:11:10 PM
Soooo, whats today's weather forecast?  :lol

Hmmm, i'd say 20 mm rain up your sorry arrrrrrse.  :airplane:
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: dedalos on May 27, 2011, 12:58:17 PM
Hmmm, i'd say 20 mm rain up your sorry arrrrrrse.  :airplane:

More like raining syrup on pancakes  :rock
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: ROX on May 27, 2011, 02:19:47 PM
RE: Slash

<<Well golly gee, after 20 years in public safety I finally get to make a difference!!>>

Can you be more specific about that experience?

 <<If you bothered to read and understand my first two "sentances" it could have saved you a little time on your cute little condescending response. I'll cover it again for you. Storm chasers and storm spotters do indeed go hand in hand as many chasers are the "licenced" storm spotters. Actually all serious storm chasers are certified spotters and many provide the training for new spotters>>

Bold added for recognition of total lack of reality.  If you believe "all".... :rolleyes:  Credibility just went out the window with "all".  Here's why:

Please take the time to do a youtube video search for “storm chaser” and please let me know how many you see that are just out there hot dogging for the adrenaline rush and how many are giving proper reports on a reliable network from a safe distance?  Do you see some educated, “certified” spotting in any of those videos?  You know, the ones using callsigns with antennas all over the car that look like nerds, you know... If so, then they are “Storm Spotters”.  About half of those videos are the hot dogs I mention, the other half are either misnomers (The Discovery Channel series was close to being a misnomer, all of their spotters were trained, some of the ones in the clips mentioned HAM callsigns and you could hear amateur radio repeaters--most likely ARES trained but no way to know).  How many of the hot dogs in those home made videos came close to death?  Qite a few on the first few pages.

“Storm Chasers” are the morons you see in the videos out there for kicks.  Still can’t tell the difference?  If ALL “Storm Chasers” are “certified”, you wouldn’t see any idiocy in those videos now would you?  Not from someone properly trained…right?

<< They do indeed report all things you fault the one example of not doing. You state "There very well might be CB'ers or cell phone Storm Chasers, who knows." Well being so informed about storm spotters, how has the fact that chasers use all the technology you posted escaped you?>>

Sure, NWS and local TV do get relayed CB reports and cell reports but I do not ever hear them quote an obervation as such.  NWS personel consider CB and cell reports as untrained observations and will accept trained ARES spots over that information everytime, and will tell you that in the ARES training sessions.

<<They indeed use HAM, cell phones, VHF radios, high speed internet with Barons Threatnet, Weather Defender, GRLevel3,anemometers, GFS and NAM computer models, and on and on to be on top of these storms, and pass on the info to NWS, local 911 dispatchers, and the media. >>

Where to start?  

A) If your network depends on cell phones and wireless internet via cell towers then your network will be as reliable as cell phone towers were in the  Joplin, Alabama, and Kansas Tornado Disasters , not to mention Hurricane Katrina.  This also goes for any cell or internet based communications system (not WIFI) that depends on it’s connection based on any wireless network.  Dead/downed cell towers = dead system.  

We’re talking about spotting tornados out in the field and not from the comfy confines of some CD office or local SO comm center in the basement of the courthouse…so let’s get back to bringing the real difference between those who are trained to help in the field and those who are out hot-dogging and being a potential part of the problem.

B)  Computer models are fantastic.  The latest color-weather radar technology WILL show what a trained eye can “possibly” distinguish as a building cloud wall as well as “possible” rotation.  It will NOT tell you if that “possible” funnel, full funnel (rotating), or outright tornado on the ground or even what width the base is or even if the funnel is “hop-scotching”.  Only a trained observer in the field can tell you for sure.

C) Once a tornado is on the ground and causing damage, deaths, fires, etc., do you really expect your local SO 911 or city 911 to be in the weather forcasting business?  I guess if the county is highly rural and different SODs can set up at pre-agreed locations to “spot” before a tornado forms wouldn’t be a bad idea.  They do that here PRIOR to bad weather but once a tornado is already on the ground those people have their hands more than full with more calls than they can handle.

D)  NWS Kansas City (as well as NWS offices at big airports) have access to most all the radar, unmanned weather observation posts in the field, and all the technology you mentioned.  What do they not have?  Eyes and ears in the field, and that’s why they turn to ARES and ARES and NWS trained observers….I can assure you not one of those ARES members are not making left hand turns into the path of a rotating EF-2 while their passengers scream in fear so they can upload it to youtube.


<<I can only guess you are misinformed or confused about the nature of what's actually going on in the field. Not mention the storm chasers that go out every season to gather scientific data to aid in the forecasting of severe weather events. So again, spotters and chasers do indeed go hand in hand despite what it is you think.>>

Naw..30 years licensed HAM, 2 years LEO in a Tornado Alley town, 26 years professional broadcaster, 27 years ARES storm spotter in the field and as a "fixed" location observer...yeah, I just fell off the turnip truck.

Simple youtube video search shows exactly how many of the hot dogs are out there providing “scientific data”. I see Discovery Channel show folks doing it but not the htdogs.s.  The research people are obviously trained and most likely ARES/NWS certified.  The ones that come up giving out proper reports are indeed “Storm Spotters”—and I don’t see them getting themselves in harms way.  Just look at the other videos of the hot dogs seeing just how close they can get to getting blown away.

If you can’t see that difference, I don’t know what to tell you.

Would you personally do it?  Would you personally hotdog like that with only a cell phone vid or hand vid camera just for a youtube upload?  


<< Yes, there are people out there chasing who have no training, no experience, and are out there for the pure rush of it. And to state the obvious they have no business doing so??>>


Ya think?  I wonder if that’s my entire point? Hmmmm.  Ya think?




<< But to indict the entire storm chasing community like you have is just silly. What a load of crap.>>


Again, huge difference between “Storm Spotter” and “Storm Chaser”.  It can’t get any more black and white obvious.  If they have training, proper equipment, and follow basic safety rules they are “Storm Spotters”…those out there hot dogging and putting their own lives in danger are “Storm Chasers”.  

<<I did read it. And what's crystal clear is you don't know wtf you're talking about. You can prepare for such events and your best chance of survival is an underground shelter such as this.

(http://www.rjwprecast.com/Strom%20Shelters_files/image001.jpg)


I won’t re-chew it all, but expecting any above ground structure to survive a direct hit by an EF-5,4,3 or even 2 for that matter is a possible falacy and those who do survive can thank LUCK and a higher being.  Here in my area of the South, VERY few people have basements—even the newer homes (not counting the mansions on Lake Hamilton).  Even the straight-line winds from a funnel clound not yet on the ground is more than enough to uproot /topple trees and blow trailer-homes over.

The underground shelter in your photo is a fantastic idea, and there are probably 10 people in this whole county that have one and and the ones that do have the old 1950’s concrete version with iron doors and haven’t been used in years.  It should be a requirement that every trailer park owner should provide “X” amount of below ground shelter space for every trailer on their land but it will never happen.  

It’s sad to say but most folks living in trailer parks are living paycheck to paycheck and even if the state or feds gave tax credits to brick & mortar homeowners for those who bought & installed an underground shelter—the majority wouldn’t do it then either.  

There are also accounts over the years of people in those old fashioned below ground shelters and had the doors sucked off by 150 mph winds (and the negative air pressures) and people sucked out into tornados to their deaths.  These accounts are few and far between (thank goodness) and those “plasti-shelters” are better than nothing.  There is no 100% safe shelter against a direct hit from a EF-3, 4, 5 tornado, a shelter like that does give you some better odds but it's not 100%.  I still wish everyone had one...even if just for the better odds.

<<Save your thanks and get better informed when it comes to the life saving business. The crap you post is irresponsible>>

I was thinking the same thing about anyone who would remotely lump properly trained and equipped observers with a paramount concern for their safety and others in the exact same category with the adrelanine-rush seekers filming away while their passenger(s) sob in fear for their lives.  

It sounds like encouraging those with no training to go hotdogging into an EF-2 for kicks is just fine with you.  I wouldn’t want that on my conscience.






Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Rash on May 27, 2011, 03:04:40 PM
I've heard that laying down in a Ditch works if your in a car? Is that true and why? Also, if your right next to a thick forest a tornado comes sweeping through would it be a good idea at all do run into the forest and hold onto a sturdy tree? Don't think of me as stupid I'm just asking.

I know a guy who held onto a tree during a Tornado.  He got caught in it while golfing and was out of choices.  He survivied, but his truck in the parking lot was totaled. 
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Tyrannis on May 27, 2011, 04:17:29 PM
i look at this freak weather as Mother Nature reminding us that she's still in charge of this planet, and not us.  :uhoh
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Slash27 on May 27, 2011, 04:20:55 PM
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Bold added for recognition of total lack of reality.  If you believe "all"....   Credibility just went out the window with "all".  

I'm not shooting for credibility with you. You do not not have a full understanding of what you're talking about. I should have known better than engage with you based on past experience and I'm not surprised you take things out of context to further stroke your ego. Yes, all serious storm chasers are certified spotters. Thing what you want and keep harping on the "hotdog" to lump all chasers in to one neat little category to fit your ignorant argument.

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“Storm Chasers” are the morons you see in the videos out there for kicks.  Still can’t tell the difference?  If ALL “Storm Chasers” are “certified”, you wouldn’t see any idiocy in those videos now would you?  Not from someone properly trained…right?
Taken out of context true to form. Never said all chasers were cerified or "licensed" as you say. Where do you get a license to spot tornados anyway? All I have are certifications :(

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Sure, NWS and local TV do get relayed CB reports and cell reports but I do not ever hear them quote an observation as such.  NWS personel consider CB and cell reports as untrained observations and will accept trained ARES spots over that information everytime, and will tell you that in the ARES training sessions.
 Gee, my reports sure seemed to get passed on. Wonder why that is?


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A) If your network depends on cell phones and wireless internet via cell towers then your network will be as reliable as cell phone towers were in the  Joplin, Alabama, and Kansas Tornado Disasters , not to mention Hurricane Katrina.  This also goes for any cell or internet based communications system (not WIFI) that depends on it’s connection based on any wireless network.  Dead/downed cell towers = dead system.  

We’re talking about spotting tornados out in the field and not from the comfy confines of some CD office or local SO comm center in the basement of the courthouse…so let’s get back to bringing the real difference between those who are trained to help in the field and those who are out hot-dogging and being a potential part of the problem.

Yes, we spot from the field. Very good buddy :aok  And all cell communications are not knocked out as soon as there's a tornado event. It depends on the track, size, and scope of the tornado. It's not a given that all communications go down except for HAM, sorry.

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B)  Computer models are fantastic.  The latest color-weather radar technology WILL show what a trained eye can “possibly” distinguish as a building cloud wall as well as “possible” rotation.  It will NOT tell you if that “possible” funnel, full funnel (rotating), or outright tornado on the ground or even what width the base is or even if the funnel is “hop-scotching”.  Only a trained observer in the field can tell you for sure.
Yes that's why we spot but that's not 100% accurate. Radars will show debris balls as tornados track through populated areas.

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C) Once a tornado is on the ground and causing damage, deaths, fires, etc., do you really expect your local SO 911 or city 911 to be in the weather forcasting business?  I guess if the county is highly rural and different SODs can set up at pre-agreed locations to “spot” before a tornado forms wouldn’t be a bad idea.  They do that here PRIOR to bad weather but once a tornado is already on the ground those people have their hands more than full with more calls than they can handle.
Not sure where you get I claimed dispatch becomes weather forecasters but you seem to be confused about a lot of things here. We relay information to dispatch and EOCs during these events so sirens can be sounded and to start coordinating a response to effected areas.

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D)  NWS Kansas City (as well as NWS offices at big airports) have access to most all the radar, unmanned weather observation posts in the field, and all the technology you mentioned.  What do they not have?  Eyes and ears in the field, and that’s why they turn to ARES and ARES and NWS trained observers….I can assure you not one of those ARES members are not making left hand turns into the path of a rotating EF-2 while their passengers scream in fear so they can upload it to youtube.
So in a nutshell you feel you're elite because you are an ARES member and anyone who's not in your exclusive club is a "hotdog moron". I still find it funny you are so clueless about this spotter/chaser thing when so many are HAM operators. Why has this escaped you again?

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Naw..30 years licensed HAM, 2 years LEO in a Tornado Alley town, 26 years professional broadcaster, 27 years ARES storm spotter in the field and as a "fixed" location observer...yeah, I just fell off the turnip truck.
I think current events have passed you buy. You obviously have such bitter resentment toward the chaser community that you refuse to accept facts about what it is the core of the community is about. I've seen your type before on other boards and have had conversations about this very subject. You don't want someone in your sandbox and are out to label any who tread near. It nothing more than a good old pissing contest between the old and the new.

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I was thinking the same thing about anyone who would remotely lump properly trained and equipped observers with a paramount concern for their safety and others in the exact same category with the adrelanine-rush seekers filming away while their passenger(s) sob in fear for their lives.  

It sounds like encouraging those with no training to go hotdogging into an EF-2 for kicks is just fine with you.  I wouldn’t want that on my conscience.
You are not listening is the real issue. I am firefighter/paramedic/LEO so concern about life safety is kind of what I do. I have in no way encouraged anyone with no training to go out and partake in something dangerous. You are literally making that up.

Got to go for now. Girlfirend says we are stupid for argueing on the internet. wtf does she know? :rolleyes:

 :bolt:
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: ROX on May 27, 2011, 06:52:39 PM
(http://www.entertainmentworlds.com/triple-face-palm.jpg)


NVM---go ahead and keep prying those "Storm Chasers" bodies out of the wrecked hulks of metal wraped around telephone poles by 150+ mph winds.

I hear there's always job security in that.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Slash27 on May 27, 2011, 06:59:45 PM
Will do DJ Clueless :aok
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Belial on May 27, 2011, 07:49:45 PM
Quarter sized hail here in central PA the last 2 days....and all kinds of tornado warnings.

This is gods way of punishing us for al gore getting a Nobel
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 27, 2011, 08:13:10 PM
I know a guy who held onto a tree during a Tornado.  He got caught in it while golfing and was out of choices.  He survivied, but his truck in the parking lot was totaled. 
My theory was that if you ran into a forest it would help shield from the winds and stuff flying around. Being in a car is the worst thing you can do, but some people have no other choice.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: EskimoJoe on May 27, 2011, 08:17:56 PM
My theory was that if you ran into a forest it would help shield from the winds and stuff flying around. Being in a car is the worst thing you can do, but some people have no other choice.

Give it a shot some time, let us know how it pans out for you  :aok
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 27, 2011, 08:20:26 PM
Give it a shot some time, let us know how it pans out for you  :aok
You only comment when I post  :rofl are you stalking me you low life! :rofl
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Tyrannis on May 27, 2011, 08:26:36 PM
You only comment when I post  :rofl are you stalking me you low life! :rofl
i believe ack-ack calls what he's doing "ankle humping".
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 27, 2011, 08:30:12 PM
i believe ack-ack calls what he's doing "ankle humping".
:rofl well put, I don't even care anymore, its all I can do to stop laughing. Its more so entertainment to me than anything.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Melvin on May 27, 2011, 09:01:34 PM
Oh my gosh, is Slash27 really Reed Timmer?


"BACK UP! BACK UP!!!"  Dominate.

EDIT: To be on topic, I didn't see the funnel, but I saw the cloud that produced the Plainfield tornado in Illinois. It was the scariest looking thing I ever saw. Went to the disaster zone with my Dad to lend a hand and heard some crazy tales of survival as well as saw some strange stuff.

Yep, tornadoes are some freaky and dangerous events.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_Plainfield_tornado
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: skorpion on May 27, 2011, 09:08:57 PM
I'm not sure I'd take this kids advice.

Any neighbors with underground shelters??
you know that is actually one of the best things you can do in a tornado...
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: EskimoJoe on May 27, 2011, 09:10:27 PM
You only comment when I post  :rofl are you stalking me you low life! :rofl

Yes, I only comment when you post.
Why?
You post some of the stupidest things I have ever read.

i believe ack-ack calls what he's doing "ankle humping".

I'm fairly certain you're quite wrong.

Is it so hard to hit your 'shift' key?
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: skorpion on May 27, 2011, 09:12:36 PM
Yes, I only comment when you post.
Why?
You post some of the stupidest things I have ever read.

I'm fairly certain you're quite wrong.

Is it so hard to hit your 'shift' key?
now your starting to get into the troll-mode...just quit before you shut this thread down.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 27, 2011, 09:20:52 PM
now your starting to get into the troll-mode...just quit before you shut this thread down.
But he won't, just let him, Skuzzy will take out the trash soon enough.  :D
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Meatwad on May 27, 2011, 09:32:50 PM
Talk about going off topic  :cry
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 27, 2011, 09:35:37 PM
Talk about going off topic  :cry
Sorry Meatwad  :(
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Meatwad on May 27, 2011, 09:41:30 PM
Gotta love the O'club, guaranteed to wreck any topic  :D

On a side note, going to retile the shower this weekend. Have to go out and buy something to cut down some 12 x 12 ceramic/porcelin to size since the edges of the original were trimmed down by 7/16 to make it fit. Dont need a tile saw for trimming 10 tiles so hope to find a tool to score them enough to smap em or carbide saw blades and just saw through them. Them tiles tougher then nails, the dremel wouldnt even cut into it
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 27, 2011, 09:45:49 PM
Its mainly based around me, as soon as I say something I get jumped by practically everyone. I need a vacation lol, and thank got summer camp starts Monday.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: 68ZooM on May 27, 2011, 09:55:54 PM
Its mainly based around me, as soon as I say something I get jumped by practically everyone. I need a vacation lol, and thank got summer camp starts Monday.

Raptor i wanted to say something to you and be sincere about it and please take no offense but the last few days it seems you've been alittle worked up on the BBS and yes maybe a break will do you good  :aok
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: EskimoJoe on May 27, 2011, 10:02:07 PM
Its mainly based around me, as soon as I say something I get jumped by practically everyone. I need a vacation lol, and thank got summer camp starts Monday.

In the worlds of the almighty Ack-Ack (or was it Krusty?)...

There is a god!
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: 68ZooM on May 27, 2011, 10:02:33 PM
wow the dreaded triple post
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Slash27 on May 27, 2011, 10:08:23 PM
Oh my gosh, is Slash27 really Reed Timmer?
(http://higrandhaven.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/dom.jpg)
 :noid
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: 68ZooM on May 27, 2011, 10:10:44 PM
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Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Slash27 on May 27, 2011, 10:18:21 PM
yaaay double post.


 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: skorpion on May 27, 2011, 11:13:04 PM
triple actually
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Slash27 on May 27, 2011, 11:30:55 PM
I only see two :headscratch:
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: EskimoJoe on May 27, 2011, 11:41:16 PM
I only see two :headscratch:

One thing twice, then another 'thing'.

One, two, ten!
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: skorpion on May 27, 2011, 11:59:04 PM
Raptor i wanted to say something to you and be sincere about it and please take no offense but the last few days it seems you've been alittle worked up on the BBS and yes maybe a break will do you good  :aok
Raptor i wanted to say something to you and be sincere about it and please take no offense but the last few days it seems you've been alittle worked up on the BBS and yes maybe a break will do you good  :aok
Raptor i wanted to say something to you and be sincere about it and please take no offense but the last few days it seems you've been alittle worked up on the BBS and yes maybe a break will do you good  :aok
triple post.
[/hijack]
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: 68ZooM on May 28, 2011, 12:45:45 AM
Strange things happening lately  :noid
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Rash on May 28, 2011, 01:00:33 AM
My theory was that if you ran into a forest it would help shield from the winds and stuff flying around. Being in a car is the worst thing you can do, but some people have no other choice.

If you have no choice, grab a tree you can hug all the way around.  Lock your hands.  That Tornado was a half mile wide then it hit a truck stop.  Bruces if I recall.  It killed 6 people there and 3 more on the highway a few hundred yards down the road.  It was the Tulsa/Catoosa tornado of 93.  It blew about 100 windows out of my shop, but it was on a Saturday, so no one was there.  Flying debris took chunks out of the brick wall on the side of my building.  Forest might sheld you.  At tree about 200 yards out the front of my window, had a huge chunk of sheet metal hanging about 20 feet off the ground.


Rash
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: B-17 on May 28, 2011, 07:07:54 AM
well, we arent quite locked yet... im from toronto, so no tornadoes for me. on the other hand, we've got crazy politicians. you win some, you lose some.  :D
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Penguin on May 28, 2011, 03:45:44 PM
(http://higrandhaven.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/dom.jpg)
 :noid

It's so funny looking, but yet so awesome!  Is that yours?

-Penguin
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Sol75 on May 28, 2011, 04:02:51 PM
As both a NWS trained Storm Spotter, as well as a "hobbyist" storm chaser, I take offense lumping those of us WITH training, and who contribute to the safety of the public, in with the pure thrill seekers who jsut do it to do it.  Granted, there is an element of thrill, even for the most seasoned chaser, and yes, I always take cameras etc, however, my primary goal when chasing is to INFORM THE NWS, of what I am seeing, so as to possibly save a life.  Even 1 life is worth the time and expense I have in doing so.  I personally use GRLevel3 during my chase, with a cellular internet connection.  I am not a big chase rwho goes out west and whatnot, just local to my hometown area...but I feel like I have made a difference in spotting potential trouble, and reporting it.

Don't make blanket statements unless you are informed.  And you will not be informed until you actually attend a spotter class. 

What is interesting is the NWS actually discourages chasing in the classes, but the advanced class not so much....more of a "if they don't discourage it they could get sued" type of deal I imagine...

Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Slash27 on May 28, 2011, 05:14:55 PM
It's so funny looking, but yet so awesome!  Is that yours?

-Penguin
Nope. I don't have the money for such toys. That's one of two tornado intercept vehicles of Reed Timmer's outfit. They are featured on Discovery Channels Storm Chasers. They use it to get data and video of tornados. Google Sean Casey's TIV 2 when you get a shot. Very "Roadwarrior".
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Penguin on May 28, 2011, 06:14:04 PM
Oh, sure, I'll look it up.

-Penguin
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Melvin on May 29, 2011, 03:37:53 AM
What a letdown...
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: F22RaptorDude on May 29, 2011, 11:00:09 AM
Nope. I don't have the money for such toys. That's one of two tornado intercept vehicles of Reed Timmer's outfit. They are featured on Discovery Channels Storm Chasers. They use it to get data and video of tornados. Google Sean Casey's TIV 2 when you get a shot. Very "Roadwarrior".
The Mythbusters put them to the test behind a 747's jet engine, TIV 1 got damaged slightly If I recall, I know the door swung open and it slid all over the place. TIV 2 did much better until max thrust and it slid around a little bit.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: jimson on May 29, 2011, 11:17:44 AM
Well hell, stupid or reckless withstanding, If I still lived in OK, I'd hook up with some storm chasers.

But I'd look for professional ones with a lot of experience.
Title: Re: Severe weather/tornadoes
Post by: Slash27 on May 29, 2011, 12:07:55 PM
The Mythbusters put them to the test behind a 747's jet engine, TIV 1 got damaged slightly If I recall, I know the door swung open and it slid all over the place. TIV 2 did much better until max thrust and it slid around a little bit.
That was TIV 2 and Dominator 1. D1 went for a bit of a ride while the TIV held it's ground.