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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Yarbles on May 27, 2011, 05:58:14 AM
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SDL is the squad duelling league where squads fight best of 5 matches against eachother in identical planes and the winner of course is the team that wins the most matches at the end of the year.
With so many squads in the game I am surprised more squads don't join in.
Can people give reason's why they dont join and make consrtuctive suggestions how to improve it if they don't like the current arrangements that might get them interested.
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I have one for us that is BBS friendly. We got kicked out woooooooo!
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For starters, the Prawns are lucky to get six people at a pub with free booze at the same time. The problem is getting enough guys to comit to it.
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I have one for us that is BBS friendly. We got kicked out woooooooo!
lol realy, good answer.
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For starters, the Prawns are lucky to get six people at a pub with free booze at the same time. The problem is getting enough guys to comit to it.
This is the case for most squads....
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For starters, the Prawns are lucky to get six people at a pub with free booze at the same time. The problem is getting enough guys to comit to it.
Is this through a lack of organisation or a lack of interest? One can be worked on the other cannot.
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Perhaps the Bar could be lowered to minimum 5 or 4.
4 People turning up form a squad of 10 has to be as good as 6 turning up from a squad of say 2 wings and 40 plus players.
I think everyone who can raise 4 should put in at the start of the season then have a random draw for the season with fixtures. Under the current system the whole thing needs constant ongoing organisation.
If squads can't make fixutres they would default but so what as long as a squad fights the majority of its matches no problem.
As to numbers if two squads turn up with 10 players its 10 v 10 or if a squad turns up with 6 and another with 10 6v6 and the squad with ten can choose to rotate if they want to.
If people don't get their heads too far up their behinds about winning this can be for me anyway the most fun event in the game.
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With so many squads in the game I am surprised more squads don't join in.
I wonder of many of that "many" squads in game are really squads beyond the "some squeakers stick together for a few weeks before disbanding again" type?
Most old, "regular" squads indeed seem not to have that many players online at the same time anymore... but that's maybe just my perception.
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we had nine on two or three weeks ago, it was a bit of a record and something I haven't seen for a few years.
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Most old, "regular" squads indeed seem not to have that many players online at the same time anymore... but that's maybe just my perception.
That's my perception as well...a few of them moved to FSO only.
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If squads can't make fixutres they would default but so what as long as a squad fights the majority of its matches no problem.
This is also a bit of an incentive to try harder to field a full team too. Sometimes teams would have to default but that's life.
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SDL in my opinion is poo
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Luck there is at least one squad what has no problem with the numbers.
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Well the 80th is a squeaker squad and not capable of flying far enough from the base to fight. That is the ones that do eventually get airborn.
Just last night one of our numbers was going to drive his plane through a hanger to thwart off vulchers and get airborn....... after a short time he said over squad channel that next time he will chose a hanger that has both a front door and BACK DOOR.
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Bad attitudes and behavior from SDL member squads. Not all of the squads, but enough to put a damper on the whole experience.
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Just last night one of our numbers was going to drive his plane through a hanger to thwart off vulchers and get airborn....... after a short time he said over squad channel that next time he will chose a hanger that has both a front door and BACK DOOR.
LMFAO :rofl
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Bad attitudes and behavior from SDL member squads. Not all of the squads, but enough to put a damper on the whole experience.
It seems to me that getting the individual matches set up and the order in which people fight eachother could create friction so it should be dttermined externally at the start of the season by rnadom lot and not left to the individual CO's to orgaises between them. Inevitably CO's and squads and I am not talking about you will tend to game this aspect especially if they susspect others of doing the same. A trully random draw for the season with one fight per squad per month would keep the event moving and stop people getting hung up over one particular match with another just around the corne.r
Do you think there should be a general code of conduct also Waystin?
It seems to me posturing and chest thumpin here of the "we owned you variety" should be outlawed and individuals who start any of that should be susspended for a few matches.
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I think threatening to lay the smack down on people is counter productive Yarbles...
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multiple reasons why the Ak's don't participate.
1] Chest thumpers
2] tuff to get enough on at sametime. Mainly FSO is when most of us our on
3] Most of us want to have fun, not prove anything
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It seems to me that getting the individual matches set up and the order in which people fight eachother could create friction so it should be dttermined externally at the start of the season by rnadom lot and not left to the individual CO's to orgaises between them. Inevitably CO's and squads and I am not talking about you will tend to game this aspect especially if they susspect others of doing the same. A trully random draw for the season with one fight per squad per month would keep the event moving and stop people getting hung up over one particular match with another just around the corne.r
Do you think there should be a general code of conduct also Waystin?
It seems to me posturing and chest thumpin here of the "we owned you variety" should be outlawed and individuals who start any of that should be susspended for a few matches.
Hello Yarbles,
Yes a code of conduct concerning the SDL is exactly what is needed. Mind you the problem is not smack-talk or chest-thumping. In a good natured manner this should be encouraged as it builds the level of competitiveness.
The largest over-ruling problem with behavior is debating duel results to insane lengths, which we all know spirals into non-productive spats between squads. A lot of egos cannot accept losses. Heck some of them can't even handle losing a round, even if they one the whole match. Why not congratulate the victor, and plan for your next encounter with what you learned and move on? If one enjoys this type of interaction, then you can get it in the MA's without the pains of scheduling and arranging a duel.
Second problem that I see, is that SDL decisions need to be made by a more representative group of the member squads. Call it a Board of Directors or whatever, but there needs to be an appearance of objectivity when rule and ruling decisons are made. That is not the case at this point.
Hope that helps to answer your questions.
:salute
Way
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Hello Yarbles,
Yes a code of conduct concerning the SDL is exactly what is needed. Mind you the problem is not smack-talk or chest-thumping. In a good natured manner this should be encouraged as it builds the level of competitiveness.
The largest over-ruling problem with behavior is debating duel results to insane lengths, which we all know spirals into non-productive spats between squads. A lot of egos cannot accept losses. Heck some of them can't even handle losing a round, even if they one the whole match. Why not congratulate the victor, and plan for your next encounter with what you learned and move on? If one enjoys this type of interaction, then you can get it in the MA's without the pains of scheduling and arranging a duel.
Second problem that I see, is that SDL decisions need to be made by a more representative group of the member squads. Call it a Board of Directors or whatever, but there needs to be an appearance of objectivity when rule and ruling decisons are made. That is not the case at this point.
Hope that helps to answer your questions.
:salute
Way
Nice explanatory post my porky friend!
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Hello Yarbles,
Yes a code of conduct concerning the SDL is exactly what is needed. Mind you the problem is not smack-talk or chest-thumping. In a good natured manner this should be encouraged as it builds the level of competitiveness.
The largest over-ruling problem with behavior is debating duel results to insane lengths, which we all know spirals into non-productive spats between squads. A lot of egos cannot accept losses. Heck some of them can't even handle losing a round, even if they one the whole match. Why not congratulate the victor, and plan for your next encounter with what you learned and move on? If one enjoys this type of interaction, then you can get it in the MA's without the pains of scheduling and arranging a duel.
Second problem that I see, is that SDL decisions need to be made by a more representative group of the member squads. Call it a Board of Directors or whatever, but there needs to be an appearance of objectivity when rule and ruling decisons are made. That is not the case at this point.
Hope that helps to answer your questions.
:salute
Way
As one of the instigators in the whole jokers, KN thread in the SDL o'club I find that coming from you hilarious.
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multiple reasons why the Ak's don't participate.
1] Chest thumpers
2] tuff to get enough on at sametime. Mainly FSO is when most of us our on
3] Most of us want to have fun, not prove anything
out of 80+ squad matches only 3 have resulted in any comments afterwards. Mainly attributed to differences of opinion over the perceptions of the rules.
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As one of the instigators in the whole jokers, KN thread in the SDL o'club I find that coming from you hilarious.
Kilo2 I never instigated any of these silly crap slinging matches nor encouraged them. Get your facts straight before tossing accusations. Go back and check the posts my friend. I offered a congratulation to the winners. I wondered why noone from the KN had the proper etiquette to do the same. Finally I applauded Perdweebs response that he has nothing nice to say, so he is staying quiet. Instigating? :rolleyes:
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Kilo2 I never instigated any of these silly crap slinging matches nor encouraged them. Get your facts straight before tossing accusations. Go back and check the posts my friend. I offered a congratulation to the winners. I wondered why noone from the KN had the proper etiquette to do the same. Finally I applauded Perdweebs response that he has nothing nice to say, so he is staying quiet. Instigating? :rolleyes:
You were involved if you want to pretend your hands are clean go ahead. Couldnt leave well enough alone.
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You were involved if you want to pretend your hands are clean go ahead. Couldnt leave well enough alone.
It is there for all to check and see and the community can read and understand my intentions. You are only confirming what I previously posted. Your ego cannot handle a loss that happened months ago to the Joker's. Bad attitudes and bad behavior...
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in regards to a CoC it is in the original rules write up.
It does say all AAR's should be posted in private, this was so that the contacts from each squad could talk about their difference in opinion without every squaddie getting their back up.
We can discuss some rule changes for season 3. The only way I can see to go forward is to not record wins and losses and get squads fighting again without the un-necessary afters. As with all things though people get hung up on the negatives when in-fact it is a great experience when both sides go at it.
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Is it really any wonder why participation is sparse when even this thread is degenerating into chest thumping, finger pointing, namecalling.................. .................
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It is there for all to check and see and the community can read and understand my intentions. You are only confirming what I previously posted. Your ego cannot handle a loss that happened months ago to the Joker's. Bad attitudes and bad behavior...
The loss doesnt matter to me. wooo jokers won. The people playing instigator and then act shocked that the conversation went down hill is what I couldn't and still cant handle. The ultimate act of hypocrisy coming and complaining that things like that happened.
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I am not sure any of this who did what nonsense actually gets us anywhere.
Code of conduct etc is only one aspect anyway.
It seems to me that this could be overcome by proper independant adjudication.
Everyone in this game sometimes needs to man up and accept it doesn't always go there way and accept the outcome for the sake of the event and for the enjoyment people get out of it the majority of the time. This applies to all those involved and anyone who will not accept the judges decision is final after say one investigation of a rule breach should be susspended from the event for the rest of the season.
The biggest obstacles other than that seem to be organisational and having 6 people so I would suggest fixtures, a minimum of 4 and someone outside of the vent not competing like Bald Eagle in the tri annual in charge.
Anyone who then wants to dispute results shluld do so through there CO to an independant judge and then accept the outcome. Discussion should be limited to the SDL thread and any unsportsmanlike or disrespectfull behaviour reported privately (not in public) to whoever is in charge.
I would administer it for a sason and refrain from competing if that would help and I am sure my own squaddies would tesitify I am in no way biased in their favor :)
Basically squads can carry on having futile disputes or agree to opperate within a set of rules independantly monitored for compliance and be men enough to accept its not always going to go there way. Alternatively carry on with the foolish immature bickering that spoils the game for allot of peole beyond those ego's involved.
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the other alternative now that SDL is an official AH event is to have a CM come babysit any matches and act as a referee.
If there is a problem with someone not understanding a rule then they can give an honest answer. Until then it is up to everyone to act like adults and for the most part this has been fine.
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The loss doesnt matter to me. wooo jokers won. The people playing instigator and then act shocked that the conversation went down hill is what I couldn't and still cant handle. The ultimate act of hypocrisy coming and complaining that things like that happened.
this is what waystin was talking about when he mentioned about people going on and on and on, instead of explaining their point and leaving it at that.
semp
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Our squad enjoyed the fights we had but lately we have not been able to drum up the numbers. Usualy only 2 or 3 people signed up so we had to withdraw.
SDL is great fun, the only thing that ever turns me off is the uber-competetive attitudes. When some people want to always win and others just want to have fun the later group tend to get bored quicker. Having fun is a mutual experience; winning everytime is one sided. Or put better: Having fun requires a fun attitude from all invovled. Enjoying winning requires nothing from the other side except to lose. That is why the 'have-fun' crowd gets bored quicker.
Overall SDL is a possitive experience for me. Just can't get the numbers in my squad.
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Our squad enjoyed the fights we had but lately we have not been able to drum up the numbers. Usualy only 2 or 3 people signed up so we had to withdraw.
SDL is great fun, the only thing that ever turns me off is the uber-competetive attitudes. When some people want to always win and others just want to have fun the later group tend to get bored quicker. Having fun is a mutual experience; winning everytime is one sided. Or put better: Having fun requires a fun attitude from all invovled. Enjoying winning requires nothing from the other side except to lose. That is why the 'have-fun' crowd gets bored quicker.
Overall SDL is a possitive experience for me. Just can't get the numbers in my squad.
i feel the same sentiments as far as the ubber stick attitudes, no need for that in that league, i will say one thing Egos killed that league.
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mixed scrimmages :furious
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i feel the same sentiments as far as the ubber stick attitudes, no need for that in that league, i will say one thing Egos killed that league.
I sympathise but I don't see how egos kill it as you go along, you play. If idiots want to sound off on BBS so what ?
I am not sure how it interferes with game play.
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I sympathise but I don't see how egos kill it as you go along you play. If idiots want to sound off on BBS so what ?
I am not sure how it interferes with game play.
maybe its along the lines of why interact with people who act as tools, it's my choice to or not to.
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maybe its along the lines of why interact with people who act as tools, it's my choice to or not to.
Yep I agree but I dont believe that is the majority of those involved. Why let a few people spoil it for everyone there are tools in every event. I think people need to put all that behind them and we need to get some new suqads involved.
I agree though the excessive empahasis on winning can kill competition but where there are enough squads involved there will be some ultra serious others more relaxed, rough with the smooth tyoe arrangement and some will give better more fun fights than others.
THe basic concept of the event seems very sound it just needs to be managed so more people wnat to get inovlved.
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Seems to me like the matches are simply to few and far between. There should be more of a schedule. Similar to the Dueling Ladder, each squad has an assigned opponent and must complete the duel within X number of weeks or both squads are scored as a loss... Or something like that. I just think it is hard to get folks motivated when the matches are so spaced out.
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Seems to me like the matches are simply to few and far between. There should be more of a schedule. Similar to the Dueling Ladder, each squad has an assigned opponent and must complete the duel within X number of weeks or both squads are scored as a loss... Or something like that. I just think it is hard to get folks motivated when the matches are so spaced out.
I like it!
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Dont worry, Waystin, we got kicked out from the SDL, even if we enter this one we will mute ourselves before entering the arena (otherwise instant kickout again), so feel free to join. :aok
Bruv stated, everythings acceptable in that combat zone, and like in "The Hungover", anything hapens, its between the participants, and wont be told to anyone. No place for egoism, no complaints etc etc, so idk why you brought up this again. Read the rules, then make your decision, its all up to you.
End of the drama?
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Well,
we Loose Deuce won the SDL season 1 last year, we spend a lot of time into the organisation and we trained a lot together. It pushed our squad real good, everyone was so exited! we had around 20 LD pilots at some matches, some of our opponents just brought in the minimum of 6 ppl. But all, even the guys on the waiting list enjoyed the fights. If you take a look at my youtube vidoes you can listen about the team spirit and the fun about it. The SDL is something like eletronic sports, after each match, most happend aound 11:00 pm on sunday night, i was not able to sleep because it is so intense....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krkLzbf-iyY
or also great fun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjeCnIbWWlU
so far the enthusastic part!
BUT waystin nailed it a bit, we need a SDL management table, where each squadron send in one member to decide when things fgo wrong!
We have actual a lot of rules, great rules, but these where sadly never used!
rules:
This league is designed in part to encourage friendly competitive game play between squads. Currently the Squad Dueling League (SDL) has three managing members, daddog, hammer, and trotter. Decisions by any of the three are final and not open for debate. Squads may be dismissed from the league at any time for any one or any combination of the following:
- Members whose intent is to insult other members
- Members whose intent is to discredit HTC or Aces High
- Members whose intent is to frustrate other players
- Members who continually complain or whine
and more...
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we saw sadly constant whining during the matches and afterwards at the AAR! Its nothing more frustrating than constant whining to me! I am 45, did sports for my whole life, broke a lot of my bones doing sports, and i one of those who also did some sad fouls too, but ones turned shake hands and drink a good beer after the match. Still kick the ball with my old boys playing football (soccer), but never i saw so many bad behavier before ! change those bad and mostly arrogant bahavier by eject single members out of the SDL league and it will be one of the best things at AH!!! Therefore we need to have a SDL management table to decide who crossed the line and will be ejected out of the SDL. Our SDL manager 4brkfast decided to skip season 2, we will return in season 3 and i hope we will find a solution to sort out the gaming kids and some old bones who never did sports and never learned to lose. All i can say, the SDL is one of the best parts of AH, but it need more influence be the squadrons which take part. Because the SDL squadrons are the SDL!
As an example for bad behavier, we LD fought another squadron, members of a third squadron watched our match inside the DA. when there was a little confusion about fuel usage (which was all my fault, i gave my guys some wrong information) four guys of this third 'watching' squadron stepped up and beginn a discussion about the fight! Noone asked for something! i can say this was a classic NO GO to me, maybe i am a bit too much old school but i wish we might find a solution for the future to make sure that players who not following above rules will be ejected for one season
Salute
dhyran
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lol realy, good answer.
Phatzo....that pic is awesome...could you please animate it like Strokes? Thank you.
Changeup
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Our squad is mostly older. Been around since the beginning.....and most don't get online as much as we once did.
We fly with the 334th in FSO. We try to register for scenarios. As to the MA...if we get 4 on at once it is a miracle.
Members log on sometime during the week usually...we are active but are not in the MAs' with any regularity or number.
Just a group of old friends, most dating back since Air Warrior. 20 years of combat sim flying together is great.
We have others things to do in life that now take up the majority of our lives. We still love the game, the time isn't there.
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Personally, I don't see the appeal of SDL. Any type of league brings out the competative side of people.
All that adrenaline and testosterone only causes arguements.
SDL needs good winners and good losers, and as you can't make people either...
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Winning is a license to gloat, and losing should feel like crap. Thats the way it should be. To compete without passion, you may as well stay out of competition altogether.
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What about allowing a minimu of 4 v 4?
Boo
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What about allowing a minimu of 4 v 4?
Boo
This would be great. :salute
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SDL should be renamed BOSDL "Best of Squad Dualing League".
This dueling event is for a limited selection of game players who need to show there prowess against other like minded players, this is the only reason it has a dwindling amount of entrants.
The majority of players will never take part in such a event no matter what rules and fixes are applied to it.
The last couple of SECs i flew in were very good though :)
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cause the FBS upped hurri's and spits and hid in ack last time
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Winning is a license to gloat, and losing should feel like crap. Thats the way it should be. To compete without passion, you may as well stay out of competition altogether.
Indeed, but there is a difference between what you describe and losing causing months of purse swinging.
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Seems to me like the matches are simply to few and far between. There should be more of a schedule. Similar to the Dueling Ladder, each squad has an assigned opponent and must complete the duel within X number of weeks or both squads are scored as a loss... Or something like that. I just think it is hard to get folks motivated when the matches are so spaced out.
Thats exactly what I think. Too few matches becase they are left to CO's to negotiate, This is hard to administer and when there are few matches the usual ego's end up argueing over the results on here when the positive thing would be to move on and prepare for the next match. The problem is there is no next match and everyone is getting their panties in a twist over the last one they dont get the next one orgasised.
Fixtures, Independant admistration and adjudication with a 4 minimum.
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Personally, I don't see the appeal of SDL. Any type of league brings out the competative side of people.
All that adrenaline and testosterone only causes arguements.
SDL needs good winners and good losers, and as you can't make people either...
Yes but in properly organised competition people can learn how to deal with their negative emotions without lashing out on here or sulking. The hardest lesson is dealing with the occasional injustice real or percieved and being able to move on. It what we British used to call playing the game. Learning to basically accpet the judges decision and "shut it". As to the event itself surely it should be played to win but within the rules and again if people win within the rules no one should be crying about it afterwards.
SDL should be renamed BOSDL "Best of Squad Dualing League".
This dueling event is for a limited selection of game players who need to show there prowess against other like minded players, this is the only reason it has a dwindling amount of entrants.
The majority of players will never take part in such a event no matter what rules and fixes are applied to it.
The last couple of SECs i flew in were very good though :)
That is down to the individual CO's as to whether they will encourage partcipation or just put their top 6 or 4 forward to win. The more people involved the better for the event is my opinion.
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Winning is a license to gloat, and losing should feel like crap. Thats the way it should be. To compete without passion, you may as well stay out of competition altogether.
I dont see why their needs to be any gloating winning should be enough. Sadly there will always be insecure people who have to extract the maximum and some to make up for other deficiencies in their lives but I don't think this should be accepted or encouraged. It is neither good behaviour or good for competition. I think some people really do think competition is just about winning and actually doing someothing you enjoy with others is of no importance if you are not going to win. Isn't that really quite sad.
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The majority of AH game players play game for fun, with the back biting and squeaking gone on over the months in SDL you are not going to get a influx of people attending.
The SDL is a elite stomping ground for certain individuals, the majority of AH game players are aware of this and thus don't take part in these events.
SEC is where its at by the way good fun.
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The majority of AH game players play game for fun, with the back biting and squeaking gone on over the months in SDL you are not going to get a influx of people attending.
The SDL is a elite stomping ground for certain individuals, the majority of AH game players are aware of this and thus don't take part in these events.
SEC is where its at by the way good fun.
But there only seem to be about 3 competitive squads in SDL. It seems that if there were more squads in their then ther would be more opportunities for a fun event. I am surprised if the antics of a minority have put the rest off.
The problem for an average squad currently is they might face annihilation against say the top 3 but that is because there is no one else, with say 10 active squads the whole thing might be transformed.
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Maybe you should play Kofi Annan and make advances to other squads and tri and jump start the SDL's :)
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Maybe you should play Kofi Annan and make advances to other squads and tri and jump start the SDL's :)
Yes that's what I am trying to do ;)
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With limited time to fly these days, The SDL takes too much of it. I have been getting in maybe 10 hours a month. To provide a high level of competition I need to have a lot more time in the game. Training with the squad takes a few hours a week. Learning your mates flying takes even longer. Becoming a solid squad of tough fighters takes a long time too. I hope we at the LD have enough people and time to do SDL- S3.
Also I think the sportsmanship needs some improvement. I won't dig through it all again, but after some, not all, but some matches hearing all the negative talk about this or that when we all knew no rules were broken. Just silly and a big put off for me.
I enjoyed the matches, and winning SDL-S1 was really a high point of my AH experience.
I hope we can get some good squads in for SDL-S3 that want to have fun, supply a high level of competition and sportsmanship!!!!
<S> ~kc
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Thats exactly what I think. Too few matches becase they are left to CO's to negotiate, This is hard to administer and when there are few matches the usual ego's end up argueing over the results on here when the positive thing would be to move on and prepare for the next match. The problem is there is no next match and everyone is getting their panties in a twist over the last one they dont get the next one orgasised.
Fixtures, Independant admistration and adjudication with a 4 minimum.
I think that the aircraft should be assigned also. It seems to take forever just for the two CO's to hash out the plane set.
I think the administrators should select 5 aircraft, then all matches in a given "season" will use those 5 planes. Then post a schedule that tells the squads who they are fighting, get rid of the whole challenge thing. Schedule matches at least once per month, more often would be better. Then set a time limit for the squads to get the match completed. Require each CO to propose 3 or 4 dates and times for the match. If the two COs cannot get a match scheduled within the required time frame, then both squads get scored as a loss. Make the minimum number of pilots 4, to make SDL accessible to smaller squads. Allow larger squads to field multiple teams, but team rosters must be set at the beginning of the "season" and pilots cannot be shuffled between teams. Each team is treated as a separate squad with its own CO, own schedule, etc. This might help larger squads to keep their pilots interested. Nobody likes to ride the bench, so to speak.
Just some ideas.
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With limited time to fly these days, The SDL takes too much of it. I have been getting in maybe 10 hours a month. To provide a high level of competition I need to have a lot more time in the game. Training with the squad takes a few hours a week. Learning your mates flying takes even longer. Becoming a solid squad of tough fighters takes a long time too. I hope we at the LD have enough people and time to do SDL- S3.
Also I think the sportsmanship needs some improvement. I won't dig through it all again, but after some, not all, but some matches hearing all the negative talk about this or that when we all knew no rules were broken. Just silly and a big put off for me.
I enjoyed the matches, and winning SDL-S1 was really a high point of my AH experience.
I hope we can get some good squads in for SDL-S3 that want to have fun, supply a high level of competition and sportsmanship!!!!
<S> ~kc
I dont mean to be offensive but arn't you basically saying your only willing to play if your giving a good account of yourself in which case what is wrong with having a slack season but still taking part. Additionally and this goes out to everyone there are bound to be some overgrown adolescent bad losers in the game as in any area of life. Shouldn't people just man up and accept teenagers exist even if some of them may be in theIR 30's or 40's. I think dealing with young adult behaviour is one of the great challenges for anyone who his going to call themself an adult. All anyone can do is set a good example and hope the little *&$"'s get it someday.
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[...] I am surprised if the antics of a minority have put the rest off.
This is exactly the reason things don't work, look what a minority did/do to the AVA and other arenas. People get tired of drama, unfortunately, those causing it can not get hard without it. It only takes one overinflated ego to kill the buzz, imagine what a few can do.
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Only takes a few bad apples to spoil a bunch..............
NOT
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Only takes a few bad apples to spoil a bunch..............
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Ok I see what you are getting at but if we leave specifics to one side for a moment in every competitive activity there will be the show off's, ego trippers, Bad Losers, people who use victory in a game as evidence of their supperitority in general, and those who push the rules to the limit. I find it difficult to accept this is more true of this game than any other but if it is what can be done to over come this aspect of SDL?
I would have thought it could be coverd by all coment kept to the SDL section and complaints not made in public but through channels. Everything enforced by an independant organsiser/adjudicator as you would get in any other competitive game. I have seen people crying on here about results after the event and not accepting the judges decision. If the Judgeing is independant and a rule is broken just suspend such people for a period be it a game or two or the rest of the season. It all seems quite straight forward.
Like any competition there has to be acceptable and unacceptable conduct and if people won't stick to the code goodbye.
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I should be independant judge in SDL events because i dont like anyone and thus would be impartial :old:
Floatsup would be a good judge as well because he has men from Mars in his attic :old:
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I am currently arrangeing unofficial strictly friendly non league matches with other squads, the few fielding players who are not normally is SDL.
Results will be very secondary and teams will be enocuraged to lend the other side players if numbers arn't even :aok
Anyone who wants a friendly please PM me :)
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Like i said in the PM i just sent you Yarbles, it's a little off to assume people don't want to fight because they will lose. We (71 sqd) don't care if we're fighting the very best duelers in the game, people like Bighorn, Jb11, Grizz, Sunsfan, Dedalos, Joey, etc, etc, etc, all in one team against us. The better the opponents, the more challenge, the more fun as far as we are concerned. We simply don't have the desire to make dates and obligations. Most of us just want to log in randomly, find a fight, go shoot stuff and have a laugh.
The obvious assumption that people won't fight in SDL because your team is too good...that in itself is the exact type of attitude that stops people fighting in SDL. Do you get what I am saying there?
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The obvious assumption that people won't fight in SDL because your team is too good...that in itself is the exact type of attitude that stops people fighting in SDL. Do you get what I am saying there?
Yes it's an assumption and a generalisation and does not hold for everyone. It does correspond to my experience though in some cases but of course not all. Its possibly one but not the only reason or the most important with deference to your not wanting to get pinned to arrangements in a game that is for relaxation as to why squads dont want to do these events.
My view is if you enjoy these events just get on with it and don't take any notice of all the B/S that is seen on here sometimes. Some on here seem to be more sensitive than that and they are entitled to their feelings.
I have a passion for SDL and last season it was decided by the top teams fighting say 6 matches each, this season it looks like about 3 and I guess there are a number of reasons for that but my goal is to get it moving in one form or another becase I love it win or lose.
I think this game in general would benefit from people being less precious and having more fighting spirit :old: and this is from a reformed score potato. I generally take the view that the vast majority of people who play this game are decent people I have allot in common with who are looking to have fun and not deliberately out to annoy anyone else for its own sake or put people down.
If you read what other people have posted in this thread you might be forgiven for thinking some people are concerned about over competitiveness and the prescence of a dominneering attitude getting in the way of healthy competition. I would say ignore it and just do what you like doing and SDL is more fun if you don't get too worked up about winning all the time for the majority of people. If they get influenced by a minoirity who do think that is all that matters the result might be very few matches.
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SDL isn't dead yet?......
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I tried to arrange a squad duel much like SDL and even tried to spark others competitive juices to encourage it, but in the end, the invited challenger bowed out, so I think people have also lost interest.
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We'll fight yer :x
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I have more interested in old shoes than SDL :old:
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It's all about the economy
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Been around for a long time now Yarbles. And my bad Bro..........I don't even know SDL means. Shoot me a PM, post, whatever, and I'll be more than happy to say whether or not my squadron would be willing to partake......... :)
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Rokit
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It's all about the economy
The economy is a double edged sword, the game is only $15 a mo, and for many when the economy picks up, they won't have the time to devote to the game. On a personal note, I have already experienced a greater workload (good sign) and thus have had less time to play.
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Some good ideas floating around. What about adding the idea of having an SDL night. Say one or two a month, everyone shows up and arrange fights on the spot. If you allowed for set planes before hand COs could take 15 minutes to determine who is going to fight who, assign bases and off they go.
Maybe a bad idea but...
Boo
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Some good ideas floating around. What about adding the idea of having an SDL night. Say one or two a month, everyone shows up and arrange fights on the spot. If you allowed for set planes before hand COs could take 15 minutes to determine who is going to fight who, assign bases and off they go.
Maybe a bad idea but...
Boo
perfectly good idea boo,
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,312919.0.html
I was also looking to have another terrain made so that we could have multiple 1vs1 fields.
:salute
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Been around for a long time now Yarbles. And my bad Bro..........I don't even know SDL means. Shoot me a PM, post, whatever, and I'll be more than happy to say whether or not my squadron would be willing to partake......... :)
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Rokit
Will do.
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Some good ideas floating around. What about adding the idea of having an SDL night. Say one or two a month, everyone shows up and arrange fights on the spot. If you allowed for set planes before hand COs could take 15 minutes to determine who is going to fight who, assign bases and off they go.
Maybe a bad idea but...
Boo
I think this a great idea but we should in my opinion leave score and league tables out of this for a while until we have more squads participating. I have noticed their is sometimes too little respect in this game for people who want to just paly the game. I have no respect for people who use this game to belittle others and for the time being I think this aspect should be left asside or down played.
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Our squad is barely able to get off the ground much less actually fight. Will there be an inclusion of squads like ours that just capture undefended bases?
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Our squad is barely able to get off the ground much less actually fight. Will there be an inclusion of squads like ours that just capture undefended bases?
Shuffler,
Yes. Your squad will be the waterboys and tire kickers. Maybe after some experience you can clean the wind screens.
DOH!!!!!!
Changeup
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im sure more squads would join in if those that preach "good fights" didn't just HO ya at first merge :rofl
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Shuffler,
Yes. Your squad will be the waterboys and tire kickers. Maybe after some experience you can clean the wind screens.
DOH!!!!!!
Changeup
I request Blender Duty :)
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im sure more squads would join in if those that preach "good fights" didn't just HO ya at first merge :rofl
I schmell stinky bait.... :lol
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I schmell stinky bait.... :lol
the truth makes the best bait :t
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I schmell stinky bait.... :lol
I smelt a whif of it too! There must be a pig farm around here :D
Just playing :bolt:
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I smelt a whif of it too! There must be a pig farm around here :D
Just playing :bolt:
Nahh you just need a shower, its that teen funk your smelling
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Nahh you just need a shower, its that teen funk your smelling
:D just another way to make my room smell of fish :lol :bolt: