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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: c H e F on May 28, 2011, 11:38:03 PM
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I love the game, been here since 99. Thanx for the game..stroke pat hug.
OK enough with the Hugo autotrans in the tanks. We aren't women. At least give us the options of manual or auto shifting.
The tanks do not pivot as they would in reality. In reality you can dump the clutch and get a fast stationary pivot to throw everyone inside to the side walls if you wanted to. the pivot should be violent if we want it to be.OK, if you pivot too much you bottom out just like reality.. something needs to be done about it.
You have neutered the tanks like some gay carnival ride in Philadelphia full of lawyers waiting to litigate if you have any real fun. Real fun is getting closest to reality you can get.
Fix the stupid "point blank bug" which has a round go harmlessly right through the tank while 50 feet away. That is miserable.
The T34 encounters a slight grade and its balls drop off. Wuts with that?
You push "W" to advance and it's like constipation that never crowns. Where's the horsepower?
Stop allowing banana trees & $5 homedepot plantings to bring 50 tons of steel at 30 mph to an abrupt stop.
Then if you are crawling very slowly and hit a hedge...you flip upside down.
That is absolutely shameful. Fix it dammit.
Real tanks make the trees snap like the twigs they are...seen many a tank do that and they went inside French buildings without ringing a doorbell just to eat lunch.
The sites/reticules on the T34/85...wuts with them?
OK if kids are complaining about it being too difficult, then make a kid's arcade map, a beginner's room...no need for juveniles to change the whole game for us too.
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:rofl :lol :rofl :lol IN
you're knowledge of tanks is astounding...not
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The tanks do not pivot as they would in reality. In reality you can dump the clutch and get a fast stationary pivot to throw everyone inside to the side walls if you wanted to. the pivot should be violent if we want it to be.OK, if you pivot too much you bottom out just like reality.. something needs to be done about it. <snip>
It would help of you gave data (and presented your wishes a little more respectfully). No one argues that bushes shouldn't flip tanks. But for other wishes, like the one quoted above, you could present some kind of data. In this case I found a YouTube video of a T34/85 making a full 180 deg in place turn in about 9 seconds. The AH version takes 11 seconds; 10 seconds if you let it accelerate straight forward a bit before turning. The main difference is the AH tank seems to accelerate slower than the real one, especially in first gear from a standstill, but that's hard to quantify from videos.
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I gave a similar list a few years ago. Results? Zip 1 respect 0
Coddling & nurturing or development & documentation are not my job.
My job is paying the monthly fee & killing others "respectfully". :devil
Go jump into the beta-male respect lake.
I'm not here to join some virtual society
focus group nor am I still wearing black for Oprah's last show.
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We should be able to dump the clutch in a tank? :huh
because thats you think that thats realistic?
do you want them to drive like your moms station wagon too?
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aaaand you fail 360 degrees chef...though others would agree with some aspects, your delivery is juvenile at best...like an angry little child. your knowledge of ww2 tanks is worse than zero...take a real close look at those "hills" you keep trying to drive up then look at the real life specs on the tanks...i.e. max incline for the sherman is 60% grade or approximately 32 degrees...and that's in first gear crawling.
in case you're not aware of what it looks like...
(http://mathtestpreparation.com/LesonImg/Lesson1Example1Fig3_1.gif)
of course the new gv system isn't perfect...but if you're going to state your case, use factual data, not uneducated opinion.
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I agree the delivery was less than delicate, but I agree with the premise. Give us back the manual transmissions. Please
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I gave a similar list a few years ago. Results? Zip 1 respect 0
Coddling & nurturing or development & documentation are not my job.
My job is paying the monthly fee & killing others "respectfully". :devil
Go jump into the beta-male respect lake.
I'm not here to join some virtual society
focus group nor am I still wearing black for Oprah's last show.
I'd imagine those responsible for "documentation" do not have any that support your fantasies.
I also do not see the fascination with a "manual" transmission other than the tank stops accelerating automatically when it reaches top speed in any particular gear whereupon you need to push a button to accelerate more.
Is that really "manual"?
Essentially can't you still "stop accelerating" at a certain point now by manipulating the W and S key?
Maybe the "automatic" is just too complicated for same. It takes too much "manual" input perhaps?
I for one would love to hear of your personal experience with tanks during your time
a.) in the Army
b.) restoring and driving vintage armored vehicles
c.) designing and testing armored vehicles for an arms manufacturer.
Any of the above?
Bueller?
wrongway
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In my 5+ years of playing, I've never once flipped a tank off a tree, down a cliff is a whole different story. Is it that hard to learn how to avoid them?
With the gunsight on the T-34/76 and T-34/85, those are the gunsights that were actually used in those tanks. Hopefully you realized that, and aren't as stupid as you make yourself out to be.
Also, please do not think you'll get anywhere with your blatant and seemingly intentional lack of respect here. This isn't some place where you just piss on the floor and mark your territory. Regardless what you think, there are rules and decorum that should (for the most part) be adhered to. (I don't know if I used decorum correctly, just always wanted to use that word, :D)
One last thINg, who had the Skuzzy signal last? They need to brINg it over here and plug it IN.
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In my 5+ years of playing, I've never once flipped a tank off a tree, down a cliff is a whole different story. Is it that hard to learn how to avoid them?
With the gunsight on the T-34/76 and T-34/85, those are the gunsights that were actually used in those tanks. Hopefully you realized that, and aren't as stupid as you make yourself out to be.
Also, please do not think you'll get anywhere with your blatant and seemingly intentional lack of respect here. This isn't some place where you just piss on the floor and mark your territory. Regardless what you think, there are rules and decorum that should (for the most part) be adhered to. (I don't know if I used decorum correctly, just always wanted to use that word, :D)
One last thINg, who had the Skuzzy signal last? They need to brINg it over here and plug it IN.
I have flipped a tank on many occasions trying to roll and evade. This GVing takes time to adapt to.
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Saw a few complaints last night on T34s getting stuck in the middle of a gentle slope.
Here's how it happens.
Climb hill......hill get's marginally steeper....still climbing but auto trans. causes tank to slow greatly so driver climbs hill at angle.....tank does not speed up....driver attempts to point tank downhill....tank grinds to halt........tank will not move at all forward or backward or pivot.....tank stuck on gentle slope.
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Sherman can handle a 60 degree incline? That's very impressive actually!
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Sherman can handle a 60 degree incline? That's very impressive actually!
you don't know the difference between percent and degree? read it again...
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Saw a few complaints last night on T34s getting stuck in the middle of a gentle slope.
Was it one of those 45o gentle slopes?
There are very few gentile slopes in game that you would actually recognise as a slope.
wrongway
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I look at the trees to determine slope angle.
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tiger... flipped while defending a town after grazing the side of the building..
erased chat bar...
(http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb343/stabbyy2/ahss18-2.jpg)
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auto trans blows but if we are forced to have it aleast give us the driver seat potion back..... i find that it is way to easy to loose track of wich way your tanking is facing in the heat of battle. i have flip more tanks with this new set up than i ever did with the old setup.
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Me too. I have the steering set on my twisty stick. It is very easy while twisting the stick to also slightly tilt it by mistake. That rotates the turret and then the turret and your view are not pointing in the direction the tank is driving. That becomes extremely frustrating to me. I guess I could buy a second joystick, or even a steering wheel, solely for steering.
Or maybe HTC could add a toggle key for us: commanders view aligned with hull vs view aligned with turret.
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I'd imagine those responsible for "documentation" do not have any that support your fantasies.
I also do not see the fascination with a "manual" transmission other than the tank stops accelerating automatically when it reaches top speed in any particular gear whereupon you need to push a button to accelerate more.
Is that really "manual"?
Essentially can't you still "stop accelerating" at a certain point now by manipulating the W and S key?
Maybe the "automatic" is just too complicated for same. It takes too much "manual" input perhaps?
I for one would love to hear of your personal experience with tanks during your time
a.) in the Army
b.) restoring and driving vintage armored vehicles
c.) designing and testing armored vehicles for an arms manufacturer.
Any of the above?
Bueller?
wrongway
:x
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The TC commander's interface is hte best thing to happen to AH's gv game. Leave it be. It does very well to mimic a TC giving orders, save for the gunners position of couse.
The T34 is a tank with a weak gear ratio. Check the gear ratio out on then determine if the modeling is that bad. When the transmissions were manual, the T34 was the slowest accelerating tank, and if memory serves me correctly it couldnt climb as fast on certain grades either.
The gv flipping when it touches a OBJ thing is annoying, I agree. But me thinks the coding is the culprit. Fixing it isnt as easy as it may seem.
The Soviet tanks has horrible optics compared to other countries in WWII, AH did a good job in modeling the clarity, imo.
I'll reply more in kind later. This will be a good thread. :)
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Flipping/rolling from hitting some objects is a bit silly (especially when we had sheep), but as someone has already said, it may be easier said than done.
Yes, the T34 gearing sucks, but it also sucked IRL. There was a choice, mow a lot of lawn quickly or climb hills. The Russians chose the former.
100% agreed that the auto-trans sucks.
Fix: Give back standard trans, add ability to blow engine from over-revving :devil
Bet that will start a whole new list of whines
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Flipping/rolling from hitting some objects is a bit silly (especially when we had sheep), but as someone has already said, it may be easier said than done.
3D objects collision and the resulting damages is a nightmare for every massively multiplayer online game I believe. But AH does fall short in that aspect.
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I've looked at YouTube videos of real T34/85s and they appear to accelerate pretty well; in fact I was surprised at how fast they got up to speed. They pivot faster than the AH version as well. Of course the likelihood of finding a video of a real T34 climbing a hill is nil.
What do you guys think about the steering oscillation: i.e. after steering input the tanks and other vehicles undershoot and oscillate about the yaw axis. I cannot think of any physics reason why a real tank would do that, and YouTube videos confirm they don't do anything like that. My Jeep didn't do anything like that: I turned the wheel it turned, I straighted the wheel it straighted out, it didn't turn back towards my original heading.
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I've looked at YouTube videos of real T34/85s and they appear to accelerate pretty well; in fact I was surprised at how fast they got up to speed. They pivot faster than the AH version as well. Of course the likelihood of finding a video of a real T34 climbing a hill is nil.
What do you guys think about the steering oscillation: i.e. after steering input the tanks and other vehicles undershoot and oscillate about the yaw axis. I cannot think of any physics reason why a real tank would do that, and YouTube videos confirm they don't do anything like that. My Jeep didn't do anything like that: I turned the wheel it turned, I straighted the wheel it straighted out, it didn't turn back towards my original heading.
The video probably didnt have a Tiger, M4 Sherman, Sherman Firefly, Panzer Mk IV, Panther, etc right next to it for comparisons sake. ;) The T34 had 4 gears, most other tanks had 6 and the Panther had 7. The gear ratio on the T34 does not lend for fast acceleration, it does lend to faster top speeds.
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What do you guys think about the steering oscillation: i.e. after steering input the tanks and other vehicles undershoot and oscillate about the yaw axis. I cannot think of any physics reason why a real tank would do that, and YouTube videos confirm they don't do anything like that. My Jeep didn't do anything like that: I turned the wheel it turned, I straighted the wheel it straighted out, it didn't turn back towards my original heading.
Annoying. Especially jumping from TC or driver to gunner.
It's more of an aircraft reaction than a gv reaction, I think.
wrongway
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17 year tanker, master gunner and rebuilder of WWII vehicles for the Texas military forces museum i can tell you if you "dump" the clutch on a M4 or any other tank and pull a stearing lever you will come to a very quick stop because you lose all you E. You must have drive force to turn no power no turn, a tank will not coast through a turn. And starting with the M24 all US tanks had automatic trannys.
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17 year tanker, master gunner and rebuilder of WWII vehicles for the Texas military forces museum i can tell you if you "dump" the clutch on a M4 or any other tank and pull a stearing lever you will come to a very quick stop because you lose all you E. You must have drive force to turn no power no turn, a tank will not coast through a turn. And starting with the M24 all US tanks had automatic trannys.
:aok
wrongway
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17 year tanker, master gunner and rebuilder of WWII vehicles for the Texas military forces museum i can tell you if you "dump" the clutch on a M4 or any other tank and pull a stearing lever you will come to a very quick stop because you lose all you E. You must have drive force to turn no power no turn, a tank will not coast through a turn.
What comment was that answering? I have no doubt you must power through a turn, but the tank isn't going to turn back again towards the original heading when both tracks are powered again. Or were you counter arguing a different comment?
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I know of two videos of actual original T34's depicting a variety of clutch operations either by deliberate moderate aggression or a green operator. "Dumping the clutch" is simply a definition of this variety comparative within a range of reasonable operative uses of the clutch. So in here, if someone comes along, imposing some imaginary definition of "dump" in the pretense that "all dumping" must be a grand and ignorant failure, then in your own mind, and any groupies you wish to wow, you have proven something only to yourself and in a very wrong way. Like you can only dump a clutch at idle?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOUYenUhm2M&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOUYenUhm2M&NR=1) At min mark 0:37 we see something we cannot do with any of the current HT tanks, now having a bizarre hybrid fluid-drive style automatic transmission so gently governed into a justified layered fantasy of simulation. Applaud that.
The ruse is that one can define any failure they wish obscuring attitudes in alleged "experience" to prove something other than rational & observable truth . AND, tagging such assertions with some tank experience upon this is more of a badge of gaslighting and agenda driven jargon (as in some of the first posts) than honest debate or instruction. It might be similar to rejecting your novel assertions simply because you made spelling, grammar errors and some in syntax as well.
We saw this identical envy happen to Billy Mitchell by a fearful, obstructionist and occluded high Naval brass even to the extent it earned him a court marshal for his dedication to"innovation". The malady of domain deficiency syndrome lives even upon a forum of the "enlightened" such as this as well.
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Now that video was entirely unrealistic: at 1:34 he runs over a sapling and it didn't even flip his tank over. ;)
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There are some PERFECT sounds for the T34 in the above vids. If I has any skillz in making sounds for AH I'd attempt. For now I can only hope one of the better fellas take the -real- sounds in those vids and make them into something we can use.
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The oscillation is simply caused by the vehicle autopilot that holds a constant heading. Do all tanks oscillate or just certain ones?
HiTech
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I get this strange feeling that Chef seems to think thumping a thesaurus over our heads while standing on a soapbox is enough to support an argument. Chef for President?
What comment was that answering? I have no doubt you must power through a turn, but the tank isn't going to turn back again towards the original heading when both tracks are powered again. Or were you counter arguing a different comment?
He was replying to both the OP (wherein Chef states you should "dump the clutch" to turn faster) and wrongway's request for proof of Chef's experience in the subject, which sideways asked for an expert opinion.
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The oscillation is simply caused by the vehicle autopilot that holds a constant heading. Do all tanks oscillate or just certain ones?
HiTech
I know the T34/85, the M3, and the Jeep do it. I'll try the others.
Edit: tried all the others; they all do it.
It makes driving in town a bit frustrating.
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There are some PERFECT sounds for the T34 in the above vids. If I has any skillz in making sounds for AH I'd attempt. For now I can only hope one of the better fellas take the -real- sounds in those vids and make them into something we can use.
I was thinking the same thing about these YouTube sounds. They have some of the Tiger which seem to have verified how good a job Mitsu did with the sound files of the Tiger and others. As YouTube continues to mature, being loaded with international sources, we may even be able to emulate the sounds of Polish bicycles & *cavalry rampaging to the front. There was no greater valor. (*but has never been proved to assault German Armor)
One sound file problem is that when I jump in a Tiger or a Panzer, all other tank guns emulate the Tiger or the Panzer respectively. The beauty of Mitsus files is that you can tell exactly what kind of tank lurks nearby when it cannot be seen. You know this affects & improves your tactics.
The powered pivot we need:
ff to mm's 4:23, 7:40:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRIoFULw4a4&NR=1
Notice at the 7:40 mark the tanker first uses skid steer only, and with the slippery road it almost deceives us to believe it is a true pivot. But then carefully watch as he introduces a reversing track near the end of his cavorting actually effecting the pivot.
A case for authentic tree VS tank handling: mm2:44
and another pivot @ mm5:07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5Kkn9EzcQ0&NR=1
Although "power pivot" may not be the exact engineering term for the maneuver seen in the vids, after driving heavy equipment for over 40 years, having an authentic true reversing track option for steering in addition to the skid steer would be luxurious.
In the previous tank scheme we had a heading-lock feature if you wanted it. While activated, if you tried to veer from that with a steering input it resisted with an elastic snap back quality. It seems we have that feature/option constantly at this time. It fights deviating from the set heading and could only be defeated with multiple steering inputs. It seems that we now cannot turn it off. I don't like that being imposed. I'd like it a toggle-option as before.
In my opinion, the greatest improvement of the last GVB patch is the ability to operate the driver's commands from any of the tank stations. Another set are the anti-vertigo pointers, the gun and heading "crayon" indicators on the turret wheel dial. With these you always know the relationship between turret & hull direction and tank heading. In certain saved head positions though, you cannot see the data or those indicators...maybe they could be repositionable?
I M3'd & dumped troops out at water's edge the other night. I didn't realize there was a strip of marsh isolating a V base preventing passage into it. I saw that one troop didn't disappear and didn't run off anywhere. So I dumped them all out in a grouped pattern rather than the typical single file. I waited a while for the show. They never danced. What's with that? I submit a protest to lift the ban on troop dancing outside the hanger. In fact, I think they should group-up and dance in taunt before filing one by one into any map room. Perhaps the M3 driver could have a key to activate dancing as the hapless enemy observes the celebration from god's eye those last moments of their base occupation into utter defeat.
(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc160/mobipost/Sims/troopsinswanp.jpg)
Here is a most usefull recticle and happens to be an authentic T34 site.
Which means I liked our T-34's previous site better.
(http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc160/mobipost/Sims/T35WW2tankrecticle-site.jpg)
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That is the first time I've ever seen that reticule given for a T34. I've seen a variation of the one we currently have, but something tells me the one you posted did not belong to the T34.
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The oscillation is simply caused by the vehicle autopilot that holds a constant heading. Do all tanks oscillate or just certain ones?
HiTech
I know the T34/85, the M3, and the Jeep do it. I'll try the others.
Edit: tried all the others; they all do it.
It makes driving in town a bit frustrating.
All of them.
wrongway
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I got a M4 up to 308mph today at the bishop city and was also able to right it on the shallow slope after I rolled it........but it took 22 minutes to do so.
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I love the game, been here since 99. Thanx for the game..stroke pat hug.
OK enough with the Hugo autotrans in the tanks. We aren't women. At least give us the options of manual or auto shifting.
The tanks do not pivot as they would in reality. In reality you can dump the clutch and get a fast stationary pivot to throw everyone inside to the side walls if you wanted to. the pivot should be violent if we want it to be.OK, if you pivot too much you bottom out just like reality.. something needs to be done about it.
This incorrect statement was what i was replying to, and if you want to pivot in on spot its called neutral steer and the process is that you leave the tranny in neutral and pull the left or right steering lever or steering wheel and one track goes forward and one stays stopped now there are some tanks that one track goes forward while the other goes in reverse. And this process will NOT toss the crew around.
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wow don't know what happened to that last post :headscratch:
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wow don't know what happened to that last post :headscratch:
This incorrect statement was what i was replying to, and if you want to pivot in on spot its called neutral steer and the process is that you leave the tranny in neutral and pull the left or right steering lever or steering wheel and one track goes forward and one stays stopped now there are some tanks that one track goes forward while the other goes in reverse. And this process will NOT toss the crew around.
Profound work of the infinitesimal. :rock
That's the spirit!
Backpedaling to find at least something to refute ...
and its where the use was facetious & hyperbolic.
Now if the correct placement of "quote" brackets is mystifying.....
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Profound work of the infinitesimal. :rock
That's the spirit!
Backpedaling to find at least something to refute ...
and its where the use was facetious & hyperbolic.
Now if the correct placement of "quote" brackets is mystifying.....
Do you have some of Shakespeare's work open on your desk as you type??? Just curious. :)
I dont miind the oscillation issues as much as I do the lack of differences in how the tanks are able to deal with terrain changes. The Sherman shouldnt be able to tackle the same steep mound as well as the T34 and Panther. I'd also like to see areas of swamp added, perhaps it reduces tank speed by %50, etc. If HTC can do it with the LVT's in water vs land, then why not tanks in swamp/sand vs land?
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In game, the Sherman will easily climb slopes the T34 won't.
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In game, the Sherman will easily climb slopes the T34 won't.
Im talking not so much about the speeds in which these tanks travel up a certain grade of slope, but rather how they act when "grabbing" mounds and coming off of steep angles, the T34 *should* be able to do better on those steeper angles. Ditto for the Panther and LVT4. Right now, there is no difference.
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It would help of you gave data (and presented your wishes a little more respectfully). No one argues that bushes shouldn't flip tanks. But for other wishes, like the one quoted above, you could present some kind of data. In this case I found a YouTube video of a T34/85 making a full 180 deg in place turn in about 9 seconds. The AH version takes 11 seconds; 10 seconds if you let it accelerate straight forward a bit before turning. The main difference is the AH tank seems to accelerate slower than the real one, especially in first gear from a standstill, but that's hard to quantify from videos.
Give date?? drive the POS for 5 minutes.
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Auto trans suxxx...you can't come to a stop..view through turret and go back to commanders position without it rolling forward. you can't back up slowly, make a hard pivot .stopping the pivot without it rolling forward( from reverse gearing , no less) Only way i know of to be able to hop around different positions and not have the tank roll is to actually stop the engine. :bhead
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Profound work of the infinitesimal. :rock
That's the spirit!
Backpedaling to find at least something to refute ...
and its where the use was facetious & hyperbolic.
Now if the correct placement of "quote" brackets is mystifying.....
Great post dude I see you can flame me which is fine Ive been flamed by better but you still cant argue with the truth.
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This incorrect statement was what i was replying to, and if you want to pivot in on spot its called neutral steer and the process is that you leave the tranny in neutral and pull the left or right steering lever or steering wheel and one track goes forward and one stays stopped now there are some tanks that one track goes forward while the other goes in reverse. And this process will NOT toss the crew around.
It may not "toss the crew around" but I've compared YouTube videos of real T34/85s to the AH T34/85 and the real one does a 180 degree pivot turn much faster than the AH one.