dead horse GV complaints

[stabbyy]

tiger... flipped while defending a town after grazing the side of the building..

erased chat bar...

[drfritz]

auto trans blows but if we are forced to have it aleast give us the driver seat potion back..... i find that it is way to easy to loose track of wich way your tanking is facing in the heat of battle.  i have flip more tanks with this new set up than i ever did with the old setup.

[715]

Me too.  I have the steering set on my twisty stick.  It is very easy while twisting the stick to also slightly tilt it by mistake.  That rotates the turret and then the turret and your view are not pointing in the direction the tank is driving.  That becomes extremely frustrating to me.  I guess I could buy a second joystick, or even a steering wheel, solely for steering. 

Or maybe HTC could add a toggle key for us: commanders view aligned with hull vs view aligned with turret.

[Scotty55OEFVet]

I'd imagine those responsible for "documentation" do not have any that support your fantasies.

I also do not see the fascination with a "manual" transmission other than the tank stops accelerating automatically when it reaches top speed in any particular gear whereupon you need to push a button to accelerate more.

Is that really "manual"?

Essentially can't you still "stop accelerating" at a certain point now by manipulating the W and S key?

Maybe the "automatic" is just too complicated for same. It takes too much "manual" input perhaps?

I for one would love to hear of your personal experience with tanks during your time
a.) in the Army
b.) restoring and driving vintage armored vehicles
c.) designing and testing armored vehicles for an arms manufacturer.

Any of the above?

Bueller?





wrongway

 

[SmokinLoon]

The TC commander's interface is hte best thing to happen to AH's gv game.  Leave it be.  It does very well to mimic a TC giving orders, save for the gunners position of couse. 

The T34 is a tank with a weak gear ratio.  Check the gear ratio out on then determine if the modeling is that bad.  When the transmissions were manual, the T34 was the slowest accelerating tank, and if memory serves me correctly it couldnt climb as fast on certain grades either.

The gv flipping when it touches a OBJ thing is annoying, I agree.  But me thinks the coding is the culprit.  Fixing it isnt as easy as it may seem. 

The Soviet tanks has horrible optics compared to other countries in WWII, AH did a good job in modeling the clarity, imo. 

I'll reply more in kind later.  This will be a good thread.    

[VonMessa]

Flipping/rolling from hitting some objects is a bit silly (especially when we had sheep), but as someone has already said, it may be easier said than done.

Yes, the T34 gearing sucks, but it also sucked IRL.  There was a choice, mow a lot of lawn quickly or climb hills.  The Russians chose the former.

100% agreed that the auto-trans sucks.

Fix:  Give back standard trans, add ability to blow engine from over-revving 

Bet that will start a whole new list of whines

[Noir]

Flipping/rolling from hitting some objects is a bit silly (especially when we had sheep), but as someone has already said, it may be easier said than done.

3D objects collision and the resulting damages is a nightmare for every massively multiplayer online game I believe. But AH does fall short in that aspect.

[715]

I've looked at YouTube videos of real T34/85s and they appear to accelerate pretty well; in fact I was surprised at how fast they got up to speed.  They pivot faster than the AH version as well.  Of course the likelihood of finding a video of a real T34 climbing a hill is nil. 

What do you guys think about the steering oscillation: i.e. after steering input the tanks and other vehicles undershoot and oscillate about the yaw axis.  I cannot think of any physics reason why a real tank would do that, and YouTube videos confirm they don't do anything like that.  My Jeep didn't do anything like that: I turned the wheel it turned, I straighted the wheel it straighted out, it didn't turn back towards my original heading.

[SmokinLoon]

I've looked at YouTube videos of real T34/85s and they appear to accelerate pretty well; in fact I was surprised at how fast they got up to speed.  They pivot faster than the AH version as well.  Of course the likelihood of finding a video of a real T34 climbing a hill is nil. 

What do you guys think about the steering oscillation: i.e. after steering input the tanks and other vehicles undershoot and oscillate about the yaw axis.  I cannot think of any physics reason why a real tank would do that, and YouTube videos confirm they don't do anything like that.  My Jeep didn't do anything like that: I turned the wheel it turned, I straighted the wheel it straighted out, it didn't turn back towards my original heading.

The video probably didnt have a Tiger, M4 Sherman, Sherman Firefly, Panzer Mk IV, Panther, etc right next to it for comparisons sake.    The T34 had 4 gears, most other tanks had 6 and the Panther had 7.  The gear ratio on the T34 does not lend for fast acceleration, it does lend to faster top speeds.

[AWwrgwy]

What do you guys think about the steering oscillation: i.e. after steering input the tanks and other vehicles undershoot and oscillate about the yaw axis.  I cannot think of any physics reason why a real tank would do that, and YouTube videos confirm they don't do anything like that.  My Jeep didn't do anything like that: I turned the wheel it turned, I straighted the wheel it straighted out, it didn't turn back towards my original heading.

Annoying. Especially jumping from TC or driver to gunner.

It's more of an aircraft reaction than a gv reaction, I think.



wrongway

[AHTbolt]

17 year tanker, master gunner and rebuilder of WWII vehicles for the Texas military forces museum i can tell you if you "dump" the clutch on a M4 or any other tank and pull a stearing lever you will come to a very quick stop because you lose all you E. You must have drive force to turn no power no turn, a tank will not coast through a turn. And starting with the M24 all US tanks had automatic trannys. 

[AWwrgwy]

17 year tanker, master gunner and rebuilder of WWII vehicles for the Texas military forces museum i can tell you if you "dump" the clutch on a M4 or any other tank and pull a stearing lever you will come to a very quick stop because you lose all you E. You must have drive force to turn no power no turn, a tank will not coast through a turn. And starting with the M24 all US tanks had automatic trannys. 

 



wrongway

[715]

17 year tanker, master gunner and rebuilder of WWII vehicles for the Texas military forces museum i can tell you if you "dump" the clutch on a M4 or any other tank and pull a stearing lever you will come to a very quick stop because you lose all you E. You must have drive force to turn no power no turn, a tank will not coast through a turn.

What comment was that answering?  I have no doubt you must power through a turn, but the tank isn't going to turn back again towards the original heading when both tracks are powered again.  Or were you counter arguing a different comment?

[c H e F]

I know of two videos of actual original T34's depicting a variety of clutch operations either by deliberate moderate aggression or a green operator. "Dumping the clutch" is simply a definition of this variety comparative within a range of reasonable operative uses of the clutch. So in here, if someone comes along, imposing some imaginary definition  of "dump" in the pretense that "all dumping" must be a grand and ignorant failure, then in your own mind, and any groupies you wish to wow, you have proven something only to yourself and in a very wrong way. Like you can only dump a clutch at idle?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOUYenUhm2M&NR=1 At min mark 0:37 we see something we cannot do with any of the current HT tanks, now having a bizarre hybrid fluid-drive style automatic transmission so gently governed into a justified layered fantasy of simulation. Applaud that.

The ruse is that one can define any failure they wish obscuring attitudes in alleged "experience"  to prove something other than rational & observable truth . AND, tagging such assertions with some tank experience upon this is more of a badge of gaslighting and agenda driven jargon (as in some of the first posts) than honest debate or instruction. It might be similar to rejecting your novel assertions simply because you made spelling, grammar errors and some in syntax as well.

We saw this identical envy happen to Billy Mitchell by a fearful, obstructionist and occluded high Naval brass even to the extent it earned him a court marshal for his dedication to"innovation". The malady of domain deficiency syndrome lives even upon a forum of the "enlightened" such as this as well.

[715]

Now that video was entirely unrealistic: at 1:34 he runs over a sapling and it didn't even flip his tank over.