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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Lusche on June 07, 2011, 05:29:00 AM
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I think there are quite a few people out there that like to 1v1 and would duel more, but don't want to spend time and effort seeking an opponent. What if there was a quick way to arrange duels?
Setup:
The Pits.
10 small areas within the DA, with no bases in them, but two airspawns. Those pits are not reachable by any conventional means
The Tower.
A single field, where you can't take off on your own at all. Here in the tower everyone that's looking for some action will meet.
The Clipboard.
Has two buttons: "Not matched" and "Ready"
When "Not matched" is NOT pushed down (default), you will only fight in matched setups, that means both combatants will have the same plane.
When "Ready" is pushed down, you are ready to go.
The Machine.
Will randomly select two players being ready and having the same preference (matched or not matched) and throw them into the fist free pit (airspawns). The fight is on! But there is a timer... only 5 minutes per fight!
The Scoreboard.
Yes, there will be. Name, number of fights, number of fights won. That's all.
:joystick:
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So you have 2 people in the DA who want to duel and can't manage it without a special program?
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It's like a "Quick Match" mode you see in other online games. If you're looking for a fight you'll get one, you could get a good match or a bad one but you'll get it quick.
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So you have 2 people in the DA who want to duel and can't manage it without a special program?
Nothing would stop anyone to have any kind of duel he wants. DA has plenty of room.
It's just an additional mode. Go there jump in, get spawned and let yourself be surprised who your enemy is and what your planes will be.
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Nothing would stop anyone to have any kind of duel he wants. DA has plenty of room.
It's just an additional mode. Go there jump in, get spawned and let yourself be surprised who your enemy is and what your planes will be.
Sounds fun. +1
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Nothing would stop anyone to have any kind of duel he wants. DA has plenty of room.
It's just an additional mode. Go there jump in, get spawned and let yourself be surprised who your enemy is and what your planes will be.
I didn't mean it that way. I realize it wouldn't prevent people from dueling the usual way. I just don't see the benefit. It seems like the current method of simply asking for a duel is sufficient.
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I didn't mean it that way. I realize it wouldn't prevent people from dueling the usual way. I just don't see the benefit. It seems like the current method of simply asking for a duel is sufficient.
The benefit is speed. Surprise (yes, surprise can be fun!). Easy to use for those of us who do not really speak/write english. No need to search for opponents. It's indeed a "quick fight" method.
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+1 would definitely be an interesting gaming mode.
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I didn't mean it that way. I realize it wouldn't prevent people from dueling the usual way. I just don't see the benefit. It seems like the current method of simply asking for a duel is sufficient.
Simply asking isn't nearly as effective as you would think. There is a sub set of players, the most skilled, who can pop into the MA and announce that they are seeking a duel on 200 and get one. Most of us, especially the pilots of only modest ability such as myself, find it quite a bit more difficult. People don't just jump to go to the DA with me, believe it or not!
If you aren't one of the "cool kids", it can be frustrating trying to get an opponent to go to the DA.
I would use a system like Lusche is suggesting. I would use it a lot actually.
I would go a step further. I would set it up so that while in any of the arenas, a player could set his status to "Seeking Duel" with the qualifier of "Same Plane" or "Different Plane". Then any other player could click on the players name in the roster and "Offer" to duel. If the first player accepts and is set to "Same Plane", then when ready, both players are automatically transported to a private "instance" with a 5k (or whatever) airstart. When the duel is over, the players are returned to their previous towers in the MA. If the first player had selected "Different Planes", clicking on his name would bring up a special chat box where the two players can discuss and set the plane match up as well as airstart altitude.
A system like this would allow broad dueling without the need to lose your spot in a capped arena too.
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The benefit is speed. Surprise (yes, surprise can be fun!). Easy to use for those of us who do not really speak/write english. No need to search for opponents. It's indeed a "quick fight" method.
Who is going to wait alone in the tower for a "quick fight" duel?
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Who is going to wait alone in the tower for a "quick fight" duel?
How do you know you will be alone? On peak times, there are 40-70 players in the DA. What makes you so sure this offer will be ignored? You can't imagine it could be "popular" even ?
And even just two guys having scheduled meeting in the DA could use it, to have fun in a *random* plane match.
And I think one factor PDFactorDave mentioned is also really important: A lot of the players actively dueling each other in DA have already know each other and have a kind of reputation. It's really not that easy for the mass of newer players to find someone to duel.
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So you have 2 people in the DA who want to duel and can't manage it without a special program?
It could certain cut down or eliminate altogether the griefing of duels...
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How do you know you will be alone? On peak times, there are 40-70 players in the DA. What makes you so sure this offer will be ignored? You can't imagine it could be "popular" even ?
And even just two guys having scheduled meeting in the DA could use it, to have fun in a *random* plane match.
And I think one factor PDFactorDave mentioned is also really important: A lot of the players actively dueling each other in DA have already know each other and have a kind of reputation. It's really not that easy for the mass of newer players to find someone to duel.
I'm pretty sure that you'll have to have one person waiting in the tower for the second dueler to show up unless I missed something.
I don't see why the mass of newer players can't just duel each other now.
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A Good Wish!!!
:aok
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I like it, and I think it would work. :aok
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And I think one factor PDFactorDave mentioned is also really important: A lot of the players actively dueling each other in DA have already know each other and have a kind of reputation. It's really not that easy for the mass of newer players to find someone to duel.
Not necessarily just the new guys. Look at me, I've been around here for several years, and its tough for me to get a sparring partner. You may not realize it, but the "elite" pilots are somewhat clickish (probably unintentionally, but the effect is the same).
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Sounds like a good option to have an instant fight button in the DA. Would F-3 mode be disabled in the fast fight mode? I hate the DA because of F-3. I call it the garden hose effect, Just spray the stream and adjust to the target.
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Sounds like a good option to have an instant fight button in the DA. Would F-3 mode be disabled in the fast fight mode? I hate the DA because of F-3. I call it the garden hose effect, Just spray the stream and adjust to the target.
What does it matter if if it's your choice to use F3 or not? Or is F3 too much of an advantage?
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Like the idea Snailman, but a question, would the loadout be your previously selected loadout, or the default one for both? Would like to add the idea of an option for random planes and random loadout, would be quite fun when you just want to mess around.
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Like the idea Snailman, but a question, would the loadout be your previously selected loadout, or the default one for both? Would like to add the idea of an option for random planes and random loadout, would be quite fun when you just want to mess around.
I would have thought about 25% fuel at FB 1.0, and a default gunpackage. Keeping it simple.
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Not necessarily just the new guys. Look at me, I've been around here for several years, and its tough for me to get a sparring partner. You may not realize it, but the "elite" pilots are somewhat clickish (probably unintentionally, but the effect is the same).
I think that might be a little undefined, alot of the regular duelers I know will happily fight anyone, new or old, good or rubbish. You are right to some extent, but I think those people you describe are the one's who duel for prestige and not for the fun of it. Dueling for prestige means there is little point in dueling someone who will be an 'easy kill' in their eyes as it will not elevate their status any further. These people are not worth dueling anyhow, as they are not bothered at all by their opponents enjoyment.
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I think that might be a little undefined, alot of the regular duelers I know will happily fight anyone, new or old, good or rubbish. You are right to some extent, but I think those people you describe are the one's who duel for prestige and not for the fun of it. Dueling for prestige means there is little point in dueling someone who will be an 'easy kill' in their eyes as it will not elevate their status any further. These people are not worth dueling anyhow, as they are not bothered at all by their opponents enjoyment.
I think the point is that certain guys can ask for a duel on 200 and have multiple takers quickly. I've asked on 200, went to DA and asked on All channel and sometimes still didn't find anyone.
There's also the time factor - someone agrees to fight but they're mid-sortie and it'll take another 10-15 minutes or whatever.
I like the randomness of this too, don't know who you'll fight.
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there are VERY few players i will be willing to duel.. VERY few. and even then it would be for fun and not for "satisfaction" this system seems to be a good idea. and the guys who think satisfaction is necessary in a game can use the clipboard setup with their partner.
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You elitist female dog you!!! :lol
there are VERY few players i will be willing to duel.. VERY few.
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Shiv, You must be new if you have to ask what advantage F-3 mode gives you. It totally changes gun solutions that you could never have from inside the plane. In the MA you know you opponent can't hit you plane at certain angels and you can fly under him without being hit.
With F-3 that goes out the window. you end up with guys making fantastic deflection shots that are impossibles to do without F-3. Like I said it is the garden hose effect. If you want to fly outside the cockpit buy yourself a Microsoft game and have at it. I would be interested in an instant DA mode if F-3 is gone. Otherwise it is just another arcade game
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+1 I like the idea.
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I like this idea.
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:aok+1
As long as we'd still have the option to use the DA as it is now.
Coogan
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Shiv, You must be new if you have to ask what advantage F-3 mode gives you. It totally changes gun solutions that you could never have from inside the plane. In the MA you know you opponent can't hit you plane at certain angels and you can fly under him without being hit.
With F-3 that goes out the window. you end up with guys making fantastic deflection shots that are impossibles to do without F-3. Like I said it is the garden hose effect. If you want to fly outside the cockpit buy yourself a Microsoft game and have at it. I would be interested in an instant DA mode if F-3 is gone. Otherwise it is just another arcade game
I am new. Would you like to duel? You can use F3 if you like:)
I've heard the complaints about it, never bought the fact it's a big advantage. Doesn't matter to me if someone uses it, still have to fly the plane.
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It's a huge advantage, especially in the rolling scissors where it makes impossible shot possible.
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I think that might be a little undefined, alot of the regular duelers I know will happily fight anyone, new or old, good or rubbish. You are right to some extent, but I think those people you describe are the one's who duel for prestige and not for the fun of it. Dueling for prestige means there is little point in dueling someone who will be an 'easy kill' in their eyes as it will not elevate their status any further. These people are not worth dueling anyhow, as they are not bothered at all by their opponents enjoyment.
Really? I hate duelling non-easy kills because of the work involved. Event he few times I have managed to beat you, I have left secretly loathing you because of the wear and tear it put on my wrist. :devil
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It's a huge advantage, especially in the rolling scissors where it makes impossible shot possible.
I'll have to try it then, eh.
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That's cause you're one of the good ones Bro, and we are not DA addicted. The lesser players hang out in there all day flying F3 instead of getting better at flying and fighting. When we go to the DA we fly like normal MA. And we still kill them. :aok
I am new. Would you like to duel? You can use F3 if you like:)
I've heard the complaints about it, never bought the fact it's a big advantage. Doesn't matter to me if someone uses it, still have to fly the plane.
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I definately like this idea. Many times I've logged into both the MA and DA and ask if anyone wants to duel, get no response, and log off. Dueling, in my opinion, is the best type of training you can recieve, but many times it is impossible to find someone to fight you, especially if you are a newer player. This new feature, if taken advantage of, would definately help to expedite the learning process of all new players. :aok
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I definately like this idea. Many times I've logged into both the MA and DA and ask if anyone wants to duel, get no response, and log off. Dueling, in my opinion, is the best type of training you can recieve, but many times it is impossible to find someone to fight you, especially if you are a newer player. This new feature, if taken advantage of, would definately help to expedite the learning process of all new players. :aok
I agree. It gets frustrating trying to find a sparring partner.
I'll say it right now. If I am online in the MA with at least 20-30 minutes of play time left, and not in the middle of a squad operation, I will go to the DA if you ask me. Anybody.
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Lets go right now, I'm in the lobby looking for you.
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Lets go right now, I'm in the lobby looking for you.
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Lets go right now, I'm in the lobby looking for you.
Glad you found me Tony! Wish I could offer you a better challenge, but I enjoyed our fights and look forward to reviewing the films!
:salute
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It's a huge advantage, especially in the rolling scissors where it makes impossible shot possible.
Your jedi abilities allow for the impossible to become possible as well. :furious
+1 on wish btw.
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Really? I hate duelling non-easy kills because of the work involved. Event he few times I have managed to beat you, I have left secretly loathing you because of the wear and tear it put on my wrist. :devil
Are you sure it was the duel that put all that wear and tear on your wrist? :D
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LOL
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Are you sure it was the duel that put all that wear and tear on your wrist? :D
:rofl :rofl
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Love this idea. :aok
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Are you sure it was the duel that put all that wear and tear on your wrist? :D
Pretty sure. Different hands. :D
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F3 makes night and day difference. It's why you get other games with "no cockpit" hacks and such.
Just one example of what it's like:
http://www.vimeo.com/24599485
and yes it's a ton easier getting hits on stuff you can't normally see. On top of that the camera is further back from your plane giving you a better perspective on angles and targets.
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I had to run it back so I could see who it was in the F4U... :D
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So did I, wanted to make sure it wasn't me...
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h2h can provide a chance to do this,
with the right map, I'm thinking several air spawns all over it , You could just agree an altitude and have much quicker fights.
A DA lobby area would be cool but the tower is a lobby already and wouldn't require htc to do anything. You could tune 101, anyone not available sticks their afk light on.
When a fight is arranged air spawn in and fight. The only issue would be guys griefing as they do in the DA, password on the arena solves that problem. After awhile you would build up a good group of guys who regularly duel.
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After awhile you would build up a good group of guys who regularly duel.
What a great notion, why didn't anyone else ever think of this... :P
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What a great notion, why didn't anyone else ever think of this... :P
The few select beings have something on us mere mortals I guess. Anyway, I love the OP's idea.
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F3 makes night and day difference. It's why you get other games with "no cockpit" hacks and such.
Just one example of what it's like:
http://www.vimeo.com/24599485
and yes it's a ton easier getting hits on stuff you can't normally see. On top of that the camera is further back from your plane giving you a better perspective on angles and targets.
I tried to fly with tracers off but I think it prohibited me from getting a realistic grasp of where my bullets were going, how did you get so good at that?
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Best way to learn to aim is to have the negative reinforcement if you miss.
Fly a 109F4 wiht 150 rds or a yak9u with 120 rds.
You miss, you go home. Flying back empty handed is the punishment. Landing a kill with only 20 rounds fired is the reward. Trust me, that kind of shot discipline more than pays for the time it takes to learn.
P.S. If you're missing and you can't tell how you're missing, you are too far from the target. If you're spraying, stop. Only take high-percentage shots, or keep fighting until you have one. "Get in close, until you cannot get any closer, then get closer still" to paraphrase one German ace.
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Krusty. Thanks for posting the F-3 mode film. You made the point about the advantage F-3 gives you I been trying to make for years.