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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: oneway on June 27, 2011, 04:04:06 PM
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Via the Wiki, this table is found...but it is incomplete and has not been updated...
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/guns/guns.htm
Any idea where that came from and how it could be updated?
Also via the Wiki, some of the American bombs have the damage values, but many of the other bombs in the game do not.
Testing bombs is pretty straight forward off line...but It would be nice to have a damage table for all of the ord in the game...without the hassle of testing
Thanks for any suggestions
Oneway
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If there is a gun missing you can test it offline the same way you would determine bomb or rocket damage values, i.e set a structure to a certain value, shot at it from point blank range with the gun in question and see how many rounds it did take. If you then have new data (or some different results on already exisiting data, contact Rolex.
And this is a small chart on bomb damage points:
(http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/403/bombvalues.jpg)
These values had been posted by HT himself. The format for those damage points is different than the one we are used to (I think it's the actual values the program is using), but it's easy to convert it to our standard "1,000 lbs bomb" equivalent, just divide by 6400.
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Via the Wiki, this table is found...but it is incomplete and has not been updated...
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/guns/guns.htm
Any idea where that came from and how it could be updated?
Also via the Wiki, some of the American bombs have the damage values, but many of the other bombs in the game do not.
Testing bombs is pretty straight forward off line...but It would be nice to have a damage table for all of the ord in the game...without the hassle of testing
If you look very closely at the bottom of the page there is the people who created it.
*initial data by SCJazz with revisions and additions by Murdr *
Thanks for any suggestions
Oneway
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Thanks Snail...
I am compiling a database of every gun, bomb, rocket, drop tank... in the game...including damage value, rate of fire, weight etc...
There is a bunch of stuff missing from the Wiki list...
I will test that stuff manually
Oneway
OH....looking at that chart you posted...
The 2000kg and 1600lb bombs are news to me...what aircraft carry those?
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:headscratch:
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The 2000kg and 1600lb bombs are news to me...what aircraft carry those?
None yet.
(Oh, and MK-84 has his answer inside the quote box, the text at the end)
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None yet.
(Oh, and MK-84 has his answer inside the quote box, the text at the end)
Forums are hard :uhoh
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Useless information...
The German 300 Liter DT adds 50lbs more to an aircraft than the Japanese 300 Liter tank
:bolt:
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Useless information...
The German 300 Liter DT adds 50lbs more to an aircraft than the Japanese 300 Liter tank
:bolt:
...schnapps is denser than sake. :cheers:
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Via the Wiki, this table is found...but it is incomplete and has not been updated...
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/guns/guns.htm
Any idea where that came from and how it could be updated?
Also via the Wiki, some of the American bombs have the damage values, but many of the other bombs in the game do not.
Testing bombs is pretty straight forward off line...but It would be nice to have a damage table for all of the ord in the game...without the hassle of testing
Thanks for any suggestions
Oneway
Im under the impression that the AH Trainer's website is due for an over-haul. I'd like to believe something is in the works, I have the gut feeling. ;)
If you want a weapons damage chart I have a very up to date one that I made. It is as current as it gets.
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Awhile back... I took that data.... along with data I found on object hardness in the training pages... info using AHEdit... and info provided by Murdur a long time ago, and compiled this spreadsheet. Its not totally complete any longer, but it covers most of the major ordinance and rounds in the game.
http://home.comcast.net/~vf15satansplaymates/OrdinanceVsObjectHardness.xls
We have found it very useful when planning FSO missions to determine what the best loadout is depending on the planes we are assigned, and our target package.
You will notice that the smaller bombs do more damage per pound than the larger ones. So 2 500 lbs bombs together do more damage than 1 1000 lb bomb. But... the blast radius is smaller, so you have to be more accurate with the smaller ordinance.
The way you read it is to cross reference your ammo / ordinance type against the object you are hitting. The number represents the number of rounds (or bombs) it will take to destroy it.
EDIT: Oh... if your sheet shows additional data that mine does not Loon... maybe we can put them together and come up with a new one that covers it all.
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Also remember there are different damage values depending on the target type.
I.E. The damage value vs a tank/plane or a building will not necessarily be the same.
HiTech
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Also remember there are different damage values depending on the target type.
I.E. The damage value vs a tank/plane or a building will not necessarily be the same.
HiTech
Affirmative... my chart only shows damage and effectiveness vs. objects. Not manned aircraft and GV's.
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Affirmative... my chart only shows damage and effectiveness vs. objects. Not manned aircraft and GV's.
Likewise. The data I produced is vs OBJ only. There really is no way for players to gauge effectiveness vs aircraft or gv's. I'd like to believe that velocity and angle of impact effects are modeled into the game (and it appears so with the ricochets we see vs armored gv's).
I'd caution using that chart listed at the AH Trainer's website (same as spreadsheet). As it has been stated already, it is incomplete and outdated. :)
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The AH trainers website if out of date, missing lots of information, and even has a few minor things wrong.
I've sent thing before and they've not ever been updated, corrected, etc.
Im under the impression that the AH Trainer's website is due for an over-haul. I'd like to believe something is in the works,
If you want a weapons damage chart I have a very up to date one that I made. It is as current as it gets.
I'd caution using that chart listed at the AH Trainer's website (same as spreadsheet). As it has been stated already, it is incomplete and outdated. :)
smokinloon, it looks like you got a hardon about the subject of using or not using the information posted at certian places. whats up with that?
MoJo
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smokinloon, it looks like you got a hardon about the subject of using or not using the information posted at certian places. whats up with that?
MoJo
It isnt about where the data comes from, it is more about making sure players have access to correct data. That list of weapons damage in this forum (and on teh AH Trainer's website) is missing lots of data, it has incorrect data, and even has data that is not in AH. Until it is updated, I will continue to make mention of it when these threads appear. Multiple people have individually tested all or most of the weapons in the AH and can offer correct data if asked or if it is presented. A few of these same people have offered to give the current and correct data to the AH Trainers and until recently were ignored. TequilaChaser was kind enough to PM me recently and mentioned the website is going to be dealt with, updated, etc.
The learning curve is long enough for the new guys that any help I can give them I will. Likewise, the number of long time players who still have 5 year old data in their heads in alarming. EXAMPLE: Few people know that the M4/76mm has the absolute worst HE round of any tank in the game (107 lbs dmg, iirc), yet there are a great many players who fully stock up on 76mm HE and head to town not knowing of their handicap. Etc etc etc.
EDIT: a Doors fan, eh? Nice! :aok
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Also via the Wiki, some of the American bombs have the damage values, but many of the other bombs in the game do not.
Being a wiki, info can be updated by anyone in the community who has the data. The wiki admins set up a structure to build off of. For instance, I primarily I made new pages on Aircraft to give them a consistent look and structure, and then threaded out into related pages like weapons and ord, and made templates for them. With the expectation being that someone will come along who has the realization in the above quote, and feels strongly enough about it to fill in the missing information.
My reply to some other posts in this thread is that the AHWiki exists for posting up to date accurate data. If it's that important to a person go post it there where a player can find it.
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SPEAKING of data, anyone looked at IL2 usage? Lest full month with F3, some 6400 kills....in JUNE....a staggering 2385. (k/d about same) Added up the kill %'s, and in April, 72% of IL2 kills were gv's, in June, 83%. Wish I had a nickel for every post saying F3 doesn't matter. Most folks who flew the thing simply DON'T, anymore. (The 'launch only out of FH thing prolly skews it a bit, hard to say.) In both cases, P51 was common airplane kill, followed by F4D, 2 of the most common jabos. It's an awesome gv killer now, not much more
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SPEAKING of data, anyone looked at IL2 usage?
Yes i have. was about making a post on Il2 and GV usage after the changes.
Lest full month with F3, some 6400 kills....in JUNE....a staggering 2385. (k/d about same) Added up the kill %'s, and in April, 72% of IL2 kills were gv's, in June, 83%. Wish I had a nickel for every post saying F3 doesn't matter. Most folks who flew the thing simply DON'T, anymore. (The 'launch only out of FH thing prolly skews it a bit, hard to say.) In both cases, P51 was common airplane kill, followed by F4D, 2 of the most common jabos. It's an awesome gv killer now, not much more
Yes, the fact that the Il-2 now rolls from FHs make it difficult to asses. Before the changes, the Sturmoviks formed the last line of defense when the FHs went down, trying to shoot vulchers in the face, resulting in a lot of kills and deaths in a short time. Now that option is completely gone, resulting in a drop in usage too. It's unfortunately impossible to quantify.
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Yes i have. was about making a post on Il2 and GV usage after the changes.
Yes, the fact that the Il-2 now rolls from FHs make it difficult to asses. Before the changes, the Sturmoviks formed the last line of defense when the FHs went down, trying to shoot vulchers in the face, resulting in a lot of kills and deaths in a short time. Now that option is completely gone, resulting in a drop in usage too. It's unfortunately impossible to quantify.
The biggest thing that has changed the IL-2 stats is the fact that it is being used for what it was designed to do and noth much esle: destroy ground vehicles and static defenses (i.e: direct support of ground forces). No more "airfield defense". No more (or rather a lot less) dogfighting.
Not to get too far off the original topic, but I wonder if HTC (or anyone) can find data that the IL-2 used HE shells as well. If so, it'd be nice to load up the IL-2 w/ HE shells and count on it to hammer soft targets as well. Oh wait... I guess it wouldnt really matter because the 37mm AP and HE do the exact same damage to OBJ in AH. :huh