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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: JOACH1M on July 01, 2011, 10:33:16 PM
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http://www.mediafire.com/?bb1m7ni0y5eabhm
critique me please!
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Wow!
Nice flying Jo. :cheers:
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Wow!
Nice flying Jo. :cheers:
Thanks...I was on one that night :)
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after u killed the first jug i started wondering if this was set up,or if they are all drunk.they flew terrible (sorry guys)
u sat there in mid air in a failed tail slide or whatever u were tryin to pull and they missed lol.no offence to you.that was just kind of odd looking
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after u killed the first jug i started wondering if this was set up,or if they are all drunk.they flew terrible (sorry guys)
u sat there in mid air in a failed tail slide or whatever u were tryin to pull and they missed lol.no offence to you.that was just kind of odd looking
I can asure u it wasn't planned. watch in their point of view. I they were not flying bad, I was constantly dragging the fight closer to the deck setting up more reversals.
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I can asure u it wasn't planned. watch in their point of view. I they were not flying bad, I was constantly dragging the fight closer to the deck setting up more reversals.
yes.but it looks like they just walk right into your reversals.i dont think they even tried is all im saying.
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yes.but it looks like they just walk right into your reversals.i dont think they even tried is all im saying.
Maybe they can't avoid the reverse...idk ask badhorse and te other guy why :lol
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lol.a pilot wound would be a good 'splanation of it,so we'll go with that
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lol.a pilot wound would be a good 'splanation of it,so we'll go with that
Are you trying to troll me?
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no.they fly like they are pilot wounded and dead stick every 4 seconds
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no.they fly like they are pilot wounded and dead stick every 4 seconds
That would be their problem :)
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as you demonstrated in the video
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no.they fly like they are pilot wounded and dead stick every 4 seconds
I'd like to see how well you'd do against BigR ;)
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I'd like to see how well you'd do against BigR ;)
we've killed eachother before.usualy picks though
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No offense TP but BigR would own you 1v1. just sayin.
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i dont think you've ever seen me fly a jug.even lepape2 has a hard time killing me
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i dont think you've ever seen me fly a jug.even lepape2 has a hard time killing me
Lepapes probably just tailwhiping all around you :)
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lol.a pilot wound would be a good 'splanation of it,so we'll go with that
Hey recon weres your videos? I have looked though your posts but only found you flying an RV around? and something about a stuka? Am I missing something here?
I see you made a thread about training people in the p47 maybe be a good idea if we could see some footage :x
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heres one of em.its boring up until about the 4 minute mark when i get in a dogfight with redDEVIL.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ap1hcctuq3is6ga
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nice flying joachim.very well put together reversals.LT are you a trainer.just wondering.sir.
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nice flying joachim.very well put together reversals.LT are you a trainer.just wondering.sir.
im not part of the AH training corps but i volenteer my time to help people.i have a thread about halfway down the help & support forum.
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im not part of the AH training corps but i volenteer my time to help people.i have a thread about halfway down the help & support forum.
ill have to check into that.ii could really use the help.its frustrating getting beat down all the time.thanks in advance.sir.
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ill have to check into that.ii could really use the help.its frustrating getting beat down all the time.thanks in advance.sir.
meet me in TA in 30 mins if u wanna work on anything
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heres one of em.its boring up until about the 4 minute mark when i get in a dogfight with redDEVIL.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ap1hcctuq3is6ga
Hmmm I thought this was going to have commentary of some sort? Like them agent360 vids? Just an idea :salute
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Actually is this the right video? just watched it again :headscratch: I don't get it maybe it needs editing down
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lol its just the .ahf not an edited video.
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lol its just the .ahf not an edited video.
No I know that, you can trim down video with the in game editor, what I am not getting is its relevance to training in the 47? :salute
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No I know that, you can trim down video with the in game editor, what I am not getting is its relevance to training in the 47? :salute
u said i had no videos except rv8 and another video.so i posted a video of a dogfight in a p47.
then ace started asking me about training.
i didnt know about game editor other then fraps,witch i have.it was just easyer to post the .ahf
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u said i had no videos except rv8 and another video.so i posted a video of a dogfight in a p47.
then ace started asking me about training.
i didnt know about game editor other then fraps,witch i have.it was just easyer to post the .ahf
This might sound bad recon and don't take offence but this just looks like your flying around in a big group HOing people in this video? I was expecting more various moves that work best for the 47 or examples of a how to deal with a given situation. :salute
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This might sound bad recon and don't take offence but this just looks like your flying around in a big group HOing people in this video? I was expecting more various moves that work best for the 47 or examples of a how to deal with a given situation. :salute
like i said,it was boring up until 4 minutes when i got into the scissors dogfight with that f4.thats not a training video,its just a random clip i had.
as far as the HOing group goes,enemy or friendly?
the only good example of a dogfight in that video was the scissors fight vs the f4
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like i said,it was boring up until 4 minutes when i got into the scissors dogfight with that f4.thats not a training video,its just a random clip i had.
as far as the HOing group goes,enemy or friendly?
the only good example of a dogfight in that video was the scissors fight vs the f4
03:20 Lu in F6F turns into you, I have no doubt he was trying to get around to HO you but you win accept it regardless and win that HO. Then 03:47 RedDevil comes in with a 40 mph advantage and trys to get out of guns, again you have your pipper straight on him coming up to the merge as he rejects the HO on the merge you shoot him, 5:48 is kinda dubious as well 06:08 another nose to nose merge RedDevil has the airspeed to maneavour his plane to put guns on you, I think his mistake is rejecting the HO something you take full advantage of.
06:28 you again accept a HO on the merge and win it.
I feel some sympathy for RedDEVIL here, he went out to have a fight with you and you took advantage of the fact he didn't want to simply stick his dot on your dot head on and squeeze the trigger. Now your going to say oh but he didn't have guns on me, well if both people keep guns on each other in a merge the 2 collide, your taking advantage of the fact he doesn't want to ram you.
The fact you left his conversation with him in the film tells me you don't really see much problem with flying this way. Personally if you are training people to fly in this way thats something they could figure out themselves.
The only thing I've learnt here is the jug can take a lot of punishment has lots of guns and ammo so the best thing to do is HO everyone. That might sound harsh but thats what I see in this video.
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And btw the sequence with the pony at 02:13 in Joach1m's video, you might want to look at that as an example of how to avoid a HO and use it to your advantage to set up a shot.
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03:20 Lu in F6F turns into you, I have no doubt he was trying to get around to HO you but you win accept it regardless and win that HO. Then 03:47 RedDevil comes in with a 40 mph advantage and trys to get out of guns, again you have your pipper straight on him coming up to the merge as he rejects the HO on the merge you shoot him, 5:48 is kinda dubious as well 06:08 another nose to nose merge RedDevil has the airspeed to maneavour his plane to put guns on you, I think his mistake is rejecting the HO something you take full advantage of.
06:28 you again accept a HO on the merge and win it.
I feel some sympathy for RedDEVIL here, he went out to have a fight with you and you took advantage of the fact he didn't want to simply stick his dot on your dot head on and squeeze the trigger. Now your going to say oh but he didn't have guns on me, well if both people keep guns on each other in a merge the 2 collide, your taking advantage of the fact he doesn't want to ram you.
The fact you left his conversation with him in the film tells me you don't really see much problem with flying this way. Personally if you are training people to fly in this way thats something they could figure out themselves.
The only thing I've learnt here is the jug can take a lot of punishment has lots of guns and ammo so the best thing to do is HO everyone. That might sound harsh but thats what I see in this video.
i ususally try to avoid the HO.but the dogfight with reddevil i saw it as a scissors movement and took shots when i could,regardless of where he was.how could i tell he wasnt gonna shoot me?its kill or be killed.like i told him,flying that way will get you killed.if you want rules in a dogfight in the MA then you are out of your mind,especially when you dont know who it was.if you want to do a dogfight with rules then go to the DA 1v1 area.
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joachim gf, as for trollboy, get a life insteada using this thread as a forum perk booster.
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i ususally try to avoid the HO.but the dogfight with reddevil i saw it as a scissors movement and took shots when i could,regardless of where he was.how could i tell he wasnt gonna shoot me?its kill or be killed.like i told him,flying that way will get you killed.if you want rules in a dogfight in the MA then you are out of your mind,especially when you dont know who it was.if you want to do a dogfight with rules then go to the DA 1v1 area.
You didn't deviate at all in your HO on me tonight. A HO is is a chicken**** move much like running to ack is. The game is all about fighting, throwing a crap load of lead into someones face isn't a fight, it's just a crap shoot.
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how could i tell he wasnt gonna shoot me?
Well on the first merge he trys to go under you, thats a pretty good sign he doesn't want to accept a HO on the merge. Later on in the fight he has the E to get his nose around on you, the rolling scissors sequence your talking about you actually lost that as RedDEVIL is gaining on you until you stall at 05:09 , you and he start to turn nose to nose if you pause at 05:45 and look from RedDevil's view he has the airspeed to get his nose around and HO you. 06:05 pause it again and look at RedDevil's view and airspeed, he can HO here if he wants he doesn't and ends up losing a wing.
Personally I wouldn't have given you a second chance after you HOed me on the merge, if someone HOs me on the merge they will do it every chance they get, if you hear guns chattering on the merge thats a sign they will do it every merge or every chance they get. Also look for for someone who is flying pipper to your plane leading up to the merge, if you are flying to merge without HOing they will be correcting their aim for a shot on you.
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joachim gf, as for trollboy, get a life insteada using this thread as a forum perk booster.
:salute
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Nice flying Joachim <<S>>
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Nice flying Joachim <<S>>
Thanks shiv <S>!
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And btw the sequence with the pony at 02:13 in Joach1m's video, you might want to look at that as an example of how to avoid a HO and use it to your advantage to set up a shot.
Yes, I knew the HOing ponies gave away their tactics, HO and turn around thinking they can get another shot at me. So I pulled off angle to throw off their shot. And slowly turning to gety reverse shot in. The 47m is a very good match of for a 51, about equal turn, and slow speed menuevering.
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M can do that vertical thing the other jugs simply can't...that D11 guy ought have tried somethin different.... (very nice sortie :aok) Ya hardly ever see people in M's who do naught but ho,ran/run like La7
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M can do that vertical thing the other jugs simply can't...that D11 guy ought have tried somethin different.... (very nice sortie :aok) Ya hardly ever see people in M's who do naught but ho,ran/run like La7
yes the M is the best jug, the d11 being my favorite though :) :aok
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yes the M is the best jug, the d11 being my favorite though :) :aok
Pfft! I will eat Ms quite consistently with a "N"aughty JUG :aok
No doubt the M is nice but I feel I can toss the N around a bit better.
JUGgler
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Pfft! I will eat Ms quite consistently with a "N"aughty JUG :aok
No doubt the M is nice but I feel I can toss the N around a bit better.
JUGgler
I don't know. If I put you against a pilot with equal skill as you the N would mostly likely fall. But in te MA, nobody dealt knows how to fight in a jug in your case n powns the m :)
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Pfft! I will eat Ms quite consistently with a "N"aughty JUG :aok
No doubt the M is nice but I feel I can toss the N around a bit better.
JUGgler
the N has...character (also handles better at low speed than M, as I could tell, havent flown one this year, I dont think)
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03:20 Lu in F6F turns into you, I have no doubt he was trying to get around to HO you but you win accept it regardless and win that HO. Then 03:47 RedDevil comes in with a 40 mph advantage and trys to get out of guns, again you have your pipper straight on him coming up to the merge as he rejects the HO on the merge you shoot him, 5:48 is kinda dubious as well 06:08 another nose to nose merge RedDevil has the airspeed to maneavour his plane to put guns on you, I think his mistake is rejecting the HO something you take full advantage of.
06:28 you again accept a HO on the merge and win it.
I feel some sympathy for RedDEVIL here, he went out to have a fight with you and you took advantage of the fact he didn't want to simply stick his dot on your dot head on and squeeze the trigger. Now your going to say oh but he didn't have guns on me, well if both people keep guns on each other in a merge the 2 collide, your taking advantage of the fact he doesn't want to ram you.
The fact you left his conversation with him in the film tells me you don't really see much problem with flying this way. Personally if you are training people to fly in this way thats something they could figure out themselves.
The only thing I've learnt here is the jug can take a lot of punishment has lots of guns and ammo so the best thing to do is HO everyone. That might sound harsh but thats what I see in this video.
My first thoughts of thunderpockets film makes me question whether his aim is extremely horrible or his ACM really involves only Hoing the hell out of everyone. The Ho attempt on the F6F? Seriously? It was well away from other enemies, he could of simply shown some moves but instead pulled a midway and went for the easy Ho attempt. second shot was nothing more then spray and pray, with even more horrible aim. And the RedDevil fight, Deflection shot probably but its clear anything that flashes in front of you means spray and pray. Zodiac - Spraying from 1k out? Seriously?
Sorry only reason lepape might have a hard time killing you, he probably doesn't HO the living day lights out of someone on a cold merge.
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accualy when me and lepape fight we do a cold merge.if we want to change the rules we do.as for the HOs,we had a cv close and I was trying to get easy/fastest kills i could to protect it.
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yes.but it looks like they just walk right into your reversals.i dont think they even tried is all im saying.
That is what it looks like if the reversal is done correctly. A good reversal is one where the defender anticipates the intentions of the enemy so well that they can predict exactly what the enemy will do. What you are mistaking as their 'not trying' is actualy Joachim's excellent flying and perfect mental calculation.
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Congrats on a great run there Jo
My thoughts are:
Overall SA: B Both ponies had you dead to rights at 1:19. Both had low aspect shots in the horizontal but missed. After they announced their arrival you handled things well. I would have rolled over left over the top on the trailing Pony at 1:30, you put yourself in a sandwich, trailing pony had a good shot at 1:35 and missed. Despite all this it is difficult to imagine doing any better myself in real-time.
Gunnery: A- Disciplined shooting generally on target. Odds necessitated taking low Pk snapshots when able. Jug ammo load and psychological factors made the snapshots very much worthwhile. Beautiful use of rudder throughout, I especially liked the snapshot at 2:37!
Energy awareness: B+ As far as I can tell you never touched throttle or flaps. Jockeying this is almost impossible when manipulating views but can speed up targeting solutions (throttle) and save E (flaps).
Angles awareness: A If you pry angles awareness away from general SA, this was outstanding. All your shots were well anticipated.
Judgement/Chivalry: B You didn't HO at 1:59 but you did finish off the one winger to the peril of placing yourself in the La7s engagement envelope. (Did you make it home?) Did the Pony deserve to die? Sure, but you probably had a 30% chance of getting the kill as he crashed on your RTB.
Closing thoughts: If you had been flying something other than a Jug, allowing 4-5 snapshots to land will likely cripple you. (This is why I fly the Jug ;))
In the MA a 2v1 or worse is less than the sum of its parts. Why? Everyone is trying to beat their buddy to the kill to the detriment of their own ACM. I've seen 8 reds 400 off my six cut their number in half through killshooting. Had any Pony elected to climb just 15 sec while his bud tied you in a scissors the story might likely have been different but nobody did this because they perceived the odds to be grossly in their favor until just before your .50s ripped them apart. These thoughts take nothing from your accomplishment; plane selection and psychology are parts of the game too :aok
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Many times reviewers will discern what the enemy did wrong. It's easy to do this but what really matters is what the single plane did right. It's very easy with hindsight to think ' I could have done better if I were attacking you', but this is also true if you watch your own films. you can find yourself thinking, how did I miss that shot? Why did I let myself overshoot there? How did I not concentrate on the right con at the right time? Etc, etc. In the heat of the dogfight things are never as easy as they seem on the film review. Just a random thought not directed at anyone.
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Congrats on a great run there Jo
My thoughts are:
Overall SA: B Both ponies had you dead to rights at 1:19. Both had low aspect shots in the horizontal but missed. After they announced their arrival you handled things well. I would have rolled over left over the top on the trailing Pony at 1:30, you put yourself in a sandwich, trailing pony had a good shot at 1:35 and missed. Despite all this it is difficult to imagine doing any better myself in real-time.
Gunnery: A- Disciplined shooting generally on target. Odds necessitated taking low Pk snapshots when able. Jug ammo load and psychological factors made the snapshots very much worthwhile. Beautiful use of rudder throughout, I especially liked the snapshot at 2:37!
Energy awareness: B+ As far as I can tell you never touched throttle or flaps. Jockeying this is almost impossible when manipulating views but can speed up targeting solutions (throttle) and save E (flaps).
Angles awareness: A If you pry angles awareness away from general SA, this was outstanding. All your shots were well anticipated.
Judgement/Chivalry: B You didn't HO at 1:59 but you did finish off the one winger to the peril of placing yourself in the La7s engagement envelope. (Did you make it home?) Did the Pony deserve to die? Sure, but you probably had a 30% chance of getting the kill as he crashed on your RTB.
Closing thoughts: If you had been flying something other than a Jug, allowing 4-5 snapshots to land will likely cripple you. (This is why I fly the Jug ;))
In the MA a 2v1 or worse is less than the sum of its parts. Why? Everyone is trying to beat their buddy to the kill to the detriment of their own ACM. I've seen 8 reds 400 off my six cut their number in half through killshooting. Had any Pony elected to climb just 15 sec while his bud tied you in a scissors the story might likely have been different but nobody did this because they perceived the odds to be grossly in their favor until just before your .50s ripped them apart. These thoughts take nothing from your accomplishment; plane selection and psychology are parts of the game too :aok
I agree with you 100%