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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Karnak on July 05, 2011, 03:08:49 AM
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I was bored, so....
Aircraft manufacturer representation in AH, followed by significant manufacturers not yet represented in AH. I have bolded the unrepresented manufacturers that I think had products that would fill significant holes in the planeset and/or were simply very significant players in the aircraft industry during WWII and listed some of their types I, or others, would like to see. This isn't to say that companies already represented in AH don't have useful things that could be added such as the Ilyushin Il-4 medium bomber or the Nakajima B6N torpedo bomber. The format I used shows aircraft by the manufacturer in AH, followed by the number of airframes in parentheses. For example, North American has four aircraft, the B-25C, B-25H, P-51B and P-51D making up two airframes, the B-25 and P-51.
Messerschmitt: 10 (4)
Supermarine: 7 (1)
Focke-Wulf: 5 (1)
Hawker: 5 (3)
Mitsubishi: 5 (3)
Republic: 5 (1)
Vought: 5 (1)
Douglas: 4 (3)
Grumman: 4 (3)
North American: 4 (2)
Lockheed: 3 (1)
Bell: 2 (1)
Boeing: 2 (2)
Curtis: 2 (1)
de Haviland: 2 (1)
Junkers: 2 (2)
Lavochkin: 2 (1)
Macchi: 2 (1)
Nakajima: 2 (2)
Yakolev: 2 (1)
Aichi: 1
Arado: 1
Avro: 1
Brewster: 1
Consolidated: 1
Kawanishi: 1
Kawasaki: 1
Ilyushin: 1
Martin: 1
Polikarpov: 1
Armstrong Whitworth: 0
Bloch: 0
Bristol: 0 Beaufighter, Beaufort, Blenheim
Cant: 0
Caproni: 0
Dewoitine: 0
Dornier: 0 Do17, Do217
Fairey: 0
Farman: 0
Fiat: 0
Fokker: 0
Gloster: 0
Handley Page: 0
Heinkel: 0 He111, He177, He219
Henschel: 0
Mikoyan-Gurevich: 0
Morane-Saulnier: 0
Northrop: 0
Petlyakov: 0 Pe-2
Potez: 0
PZL: 0
Reggiane: 0
Savoia-Marchetti: 0 S.M.79-II
SNCASE: 0
Short: 0
Tupolev: 0 SB-2, Tu-2
Vickers: 0 Wellington
Westland: 0
Yokosuka: 0 D4Y Susei "Judy", P1Y Ginga "Frances"
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im sorry,is this a wish because it doesnt seem like you asked for anything?
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I was bored, so....
Aircraft manufacturer representation in AH, followed by significant manufacturers not yet represented in AH. I have bolded the unrepresented manufacturers that I think had products that would fill significant holes in the planeset and/or were simply very significant players in the aircraft industry during WWII and listed some of their types I, or others, would like to see. This isn't to say that companies already represented in AH don't have useful things that could be added such as the Ilyushin Il-4 medium bomber or the Nakajima B6N torpedo bomber. The format I used shows aircraft by the manufacturer in AH, followed by the number of airframes in parentheses. For example, North American has four aircraft, the B-25C, B-25H, P-51B and P-51D making up two airframes, the B-25 and P-51.
Messerschmitt: 10 (4)
Supermarine: 7 (1)
Focke-Wulf: 5 (1)
Hawker: 5 (3)
Mitsubishi: 5 (3)
Republic: 5 (1)
Vought: 5 (1)
Douglas: 4 (3)
Grumman: 4 (3)
North American: 4 (2)
Lockheed: 3 (1)
Bell: 2 (1)
Boeing: 2 (2)
Curtis: 2 (1)
de Haviland: 2 (1)
Junkers: 2 (2)
Lavochkin: 2 (1)
Macchi: 2 (1)
Nakajima: 2 (2)
Yakolev: 2 (1)
Aichi: 1
Arado: 1
Avro: 1
Brewster: 1
Consolidated: 1
Kawanishi: 1
Kawasaki: 1
Ilyushin: 1
Martin: 1
Polikarpov: 1
Armstrong Whitworth: 0
Bloch: 0
Bristol: 0 Beaufighter, Beaufort, Blenheim
Cant: 0
Caproni: 0
Dewoitine: 0
Dornier: 0 Do17, Do217
Fairey: 0
Farman: 0
Fiat: 0
Fokker: 0
Gloster: 0
Handley Page: 0
Heinkel: 0 He111, He177, He219
Henschel: 0
Mikoyan-Gurevich: 0
Morane-Saulnier: 0
Northrop: 0
Petlyakov: 0 Pe-2
Potez: 0
PZL: 0
Reggiane: 0
Savoia-Marchetti: 0 S.M.79-II
SNCASE: 0
Short: 0
Tupolev: 0 SB-2, Tu-2
Vickers: 0 Wellington
Westland: 0
Yokosuka: 0 D4Y Susei "Judy", P1Y Ginga "Frances"
You did miss one in the Boeing section. You counted (I'm assuming) the B-17 and B-24, but you forgot the B-26. Or does that not count, as it has a first generation look about it?
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You did miss one in the Boeing section. You counted (I'm assuming) the B-17 and B-24, but you forgot the B-26. Or does that not count, as it has a first generation look about it?
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The B26 was built by Martin.......
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AAAHH!!! Whoops... :o
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Also, the B-24 was by Consolidated, the two Boeing craft on the list are the B-17 and B-29
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im sorry,is this a wish because it doesnt seem like you asked for anything?
Read:
I have bolded the unrepresented manufacturers that I think had products that would fill significant holes in the planeset and/or were simply very significant players in the aircraft industry during WWII and listed some of their types I, or others, would like to see.
Armstrong Whitworth: 0
Bloch: 0
Bristol: 0 Beaufighter, Beaufort, Blenheim
Cant: 0
Caproni: 0
Dewoitine: 0
Dornier: 0 Do17, Do217
Fairey: 0
Farman: 0
Fiat: 0
Fokker: 0
Gloster: 0
Handley Page: 0
Heinkel: 0 He111, He177, He219
Henschel: 0
Mikoyan-Gurevich: 0
Morane-Saulnier: 0
Northrop: 0
Petlyakov: 0 Pe-2
Potez: 0
PZL: 0
Reggiane: 0
Savoia-Marchetti: 0 S.M.79-II
SNCASE: 0
Short: 0
Tupolev: 0 SB-2, Tu-2
Vickers: 0 Wellington
Westland: 0
Yokosuka: 0 D4Y Susei "Judy", P1Y Ginga "Frances"
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Wow...I'm really not thinking straight.
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just another way to ask for the beaufighter, the do217, he111, pe2 and a few other planes that few people will fly. noticed how they're in bold letters.
i would rather have the a26. will be so hard to leave my beloved b26, but heck it will be worth it :D.
semp
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just another way to ask for the beaufighter, the do217, he111, pe2 and a few other planes that few people will fly. noticed how they're in bold letters.
i would rather have the a26. will be so hard to leave my beloved b26, but heck it will be worth it :D.
semp
it's only one letter away... :neener:
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oh ok,i thought it was just asking to have a limited supply of planes or somthing.kinda dehydrated right now,my reading isnt at its finest right now
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just another way to ask for the beaufighter, the do217, he111, pe2 and a few other planes that few people will fly. noticed how they're in bold letters.
i would rather have the a26. will be so hard to leave my beloved b26, but heck it will be worth it :D.
semp
Hey, people would fly the Tu-2 and maybe even the He177 Greif and P1Y1 Ginga "Frances".
I also made it clear in my opening statement that this was in no way implying that there are not valid aircraft from manufacturers that are already represented. I was just highlighting some significant companies who's products are not represented.
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my a26 product is not represented either :D.
semp
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it's only one letter away... :neener:
Same letters from 1948-1965 :D
Invader <-- we should get this! :aok
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my a26 product is not represented either :D.
semp
Sure it is, it would fall under effect of this line of my opening post:
Douglas: 4 (3)
As Douglas is already a represented company the post would not have addressed the A-26. There are aircraft that I would very much like to see added that also fall into that category in this thread, your A-26 was by no means singled out for exclusion.
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to be honest with you I wish every single airplane was included in ah. but right after they add my vader. was so disappointed to not see it when I started playing 4 or 5 years ago. been waiting for it since then.
but it really upsets me when a new plane gets added and after the first month or 2 then it goes into the hangar queen program. a26 will get a heck more use than any of the other airplanes that I have seen requested. only the m4-75 and m476 have seen heavy used of any gv/plane added since I started playing a few years back. with the exception of the big gun package added to the il2. not sure if the il2 was a new plane or not, i was too new back then. :salute.
semp
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with the exception of the big gun package added to the il2. not sure if the il2 was a new plane or not, i was too new back then. :salute.
semp
Il-2 was not a new aircraft and while it was common prior to the 37mm option, it became more common after it was revamped.
I don't think the A-26 would see as much use as you expect. Pyro mentioned it to me as a future perk bomber when I called HTC many years ago when the Spitfires were being redone. Perks have a real noticeable effect on usage, particularly when people don't feel the survivability is there. Why use a Spitfire Mk XIV when you can use a Spitfire Mk XVI for free? Why use an A-26 when you can use an A-20 for free?
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a20 is not even close to being an a26. a much faster, more ords, more guns.
semp
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a20 is not even close to being an a26. a much faster, more ords, more guns.
semp
It becomes much closer in people's minds if the A-20 is free and the A-26 costs 20 perks that they likely will lose. Toss the Mosquito Mk VI and Bf110G-2 in there as free competition as well. Heck, the Mosquito is more likely to make it back to base than the A-26 would be. Yeah, the A-26 carries more bombers, but firepowerwise the Mosquito matches it and the Bf110 beats it.
The problem the A-26 is going to have is that it is too good to be free, but not survivable enough to be used much once perked. You'll end up with Spitfire Mk XIV numbers. Well, probably better than that, but you get my meaning.
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It becomes much closer in people's minds if the A-20 is free and the A-26 costs 20 perks that they likely will lose. Toss the Mosquito Mk VI and Bf110G-2 in there as free competition as well. Heck, the Mosquito is more likely to make it back to base than the A-26 would be. Yeah, the A-26 carries more bombers, but firepowerwise the Mosquito matches it and the Bf110 beats it.
The problem the A-26 is going to have is that it is too good to be free, but not survivable enough to be used much once perked. You'll end up with Spitfire Mk XIV numbers. Well, probably better than that, but you get my meaning.
neither the mosquito nor the bg110 carries anywhere near the amount of ords the a26 does. there are fighters that can carry more ords than the 110 and nearly as much as the a20 with also 6 50 caliber mg and more maneuverable. which is to say they would be a better choice than either one, but it all depends on the situation and the skill/knowledge of the player using it. there's a reason why you dont see a20's hitting towns that often, but you see 110's more and it is the nose guns, it's easier to strafe buildings that to bomb. this is where the a26 can come in noe, keeping up with fighters, level town and get away before they even know what hit them. a single a26 will more than kill 1/2 the town in a single pass. neither the a20 nor the 110 can do this in one pass. so sorry, but neither the a20 nor the 110 are a good replacement for the a26.
anyway let's not turn this into another a26 yey (?)/ney thing. it's about the other hangar queens requested, just in a different way :O.
semp
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No Ta-152? Or did that get thrown in under all the 190s and Focke Wulfs? I'd at least consider it two different airframes still, between the A series and the long-nosed Doras and 152s.
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A-26 stuff...
You missed my point. The A-26 is not much faster than the A-20G (it will not keep up with the fighters as you say) but carries a lot more bombs and guns, enough to where it will be perked, though I would guess it would be the cheapest of perk bombers. Those who want to use it as a fighter and concentrate on the number of .50s it has will find it annoyingly perked, and ganged as a perk plane, for no gain in firepower over the two heavy fighters I mentioned and their lower bombloads are irrelevant to that. Some will still fly it for the challenge of using it as a fighter, but it will not be nearly as common as you seem to think based on advocating it over a "hanger queen". The A-26 will be a hanger queen for the same reason the Spitfire Mk XIV is, not enough bang for the perk cost.
No Ta-152? Or did that get thrown in under all the 190s and Focke Wulfs? I'd at least consider it two different airframes still, between the A series and the long-nosed Doras and 152s.
The Ta152 was only not the Fw190E (or whatever letter) for political reasons. It is obviously a continuation of the evolution of the Fw190 series just as the Spitfire F.21 is a continuation of the Spitfire line despite completely redesigned wings.
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This single thread has the wishes of a thousand threads.
im sorry,is this a wish because it doesnt seem like you asked for anything?
+1
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Armstrong Whitworth: 0
Bloch: 0
Bristol: 0 Beaufighter, Beaufort, Blenheim
Cant: 0
Caproni: 0
Dewoitine: 0
Dornier: 0 Do17, Do217
Fairey: 0
Farman: 0
Fiat: 0
Fokker: 0
Gloster: 0
Handley Page: 0
Heinkel: 0 He111, He177, He219
Henschel: 0
Mikoyan-Gurevich: 0
Morane-Saulnier: 0
Northrop: 0
Petlyakov: 0 Pe-2
Potez: 0
PZL: 0
Reggiane: 0
Savoia-Marchetti: 0 S.M.79-II
SNCASE: 0
Short: 0
Tupolev: 0 SB-2, Tu-2
Vickers: 0 Wellington
Westland: 0
Yokosuka: 0 D4Y Susei "Judy", P1Y Ginga "Frances"
Nice way to ask for the He177, He219, Pe-2, Tu-2 im with you in those ones +1 :aok
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I think Short should be bolded
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/h1475.jpg)
And Reggiane
(http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/4309/medium/Reggiane_2005_Sagittario.jpg)
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I think Short shold be bolded
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/h1475.jpg)[/qute]
Vickers Wellington is more representative. Short Stirling was a dismal, short lived, debacle.
And Reggiane
(http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/4309/medium/Reggiane_2005_Sagittario.jpg)
The Re2005 certainly does not make it significant. What did they produce in quantity that actually fought?
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Brain fart, got it confused with the Halifax.
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Brain fart, got it confused with the Halifax.
The reason I can't get behind the Halifax is that it is so extremely similar to the Lancaster in capability that I just don't see it adding much to the game while, as a four engine bomber, taking a lot of resources to create.
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MiG-3 was produced in thousands and saw significant amount of action.
...although due to it's rather poor handling characteristics and overall poor performance, I think other earlier war Soviet fighters would be better additions.
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The reason I can't get behind the Halifax is that it is so extremely similar to the Lancaster in capability that I just don't see it adding much to the game while, as a four engine bomber, taking a lot of resources to create.
Nothing keeps me from backing any aircraft choice really. I would very much prioritize one over another but keeping something off a wishlist because it's similar to another won't happen.
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Messerschmitt: 10 (4)
Supermarine: 7 (1)
Focke-Wulf: 5 (1)
Hawker: 5 (3)
Mitsubishi: 5 (3)
Republic: 5 (1)
Vought: 5 (1)
Douglas: 4 (3)
Grumman: 4 (3)
North American: 4 (2)
Lockheed: 3 (1)
Bell: 2 (1)
Boeing: 2 (2)
Curtis: 2 (1)
de Haviland: 2 (1)
Junkers: 2 (2)
Lavochkin: 2 (1)
Macchi: 2 (1)
Nakajima: 2 (2)
Yakolev: 2 (1)
Aichi: 1
Arado: 1
Avro: 1
Brewster: 1
Consolidated: 1
Kawanishi: 1
Kawasaki: 1
Ilyushin: 1
Martin: 1
Polikarpov: 1
Armstrong Whitworth: 0
Bloch: 0
Bristol: 0 Beaufighter, Beaufort, Blenheim
Cant: 0
Caproni: 0
Dewoitine: 0
Dornier: 0 Do17, Do217
Fairey: 0
Farman: 0
Fiat: 0
Fokker: 0
Gloster: 0
Handley Page: 0
Heinkel: 0 He111, He177, He219
Henschel: 0
Mikoyan-Gurevich: 0
Morane-Saulnier: 0
Northrop: 0
Petlyakov: 0 Pe-2
Potez: 0
PZL: 0
Reggiane: 0
Savoia-Marchetti: 0 S.M.79-II
SNCASE: 0
Short: 0
Tupolev: 0 SB-2, Tu-2
Vickers: 0 Wellington
Westland: 0
Yokosuka: 0 D4Y Susei "Judy", P1Y Ginga "Frances"
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Nothing keeps me from backing any aircraft choice really. I would very much prioritize one over another but keeping something off a wishlist because it's similar to another won't happen.
:aok Nice point there, Slash. I think, personally, that the Ju-52 should appear on the Wishlist more often, and that it chould be reasonable high up on the totem pole of upcoming additions.