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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Tyrannis on July 05, 2011, 08:52:05 AM
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Hey guys, out of the 6 yrs ive flown in Aces-High i have never upped a 262 in the main arena. (mostly blow my perks on p38s/190s in the EW)
But i feel like breaking the streak and trying her out in the MA. only 1 problem tho: i dont know how to fly it :uhoh
could someone fill me in on what its capable of and what not to do in it? along with any other helpful advice would be greatly appreciated.
thank you :salute
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Practice offline. :aok :salute
NOT
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Odds are your gonna miss alot
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shoot thousands of drones offline before going online! Never go lower than 300mph. Also in the MA 262's are meant to fly on the deck, you will get zero kills by staying up there.
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don't dive too fast or your wings will tear off.
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keep it 300-350mph and shoot when you're in close. if you're under 400mph make sure you got a few k under you to nose down and egress - its acceleration is dreadful.
and dont be afraid to actually fight in it :aok
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It is pretty hard to hit fighters if they are aware of your presence. Don't blow all your E trying to turn with them, zoom on by and try again.
Only fire one set of guns at a time, unless making a quick pass at a B-17 or Lanc.
Keep your speed at least 400 if you are near the deck. Level acceleration sucks.
If there are cons higher than you, they will drop everything and swoop on your perk jet. Plan accordingly.
At higher alts, you can get slow because the thing picks up speed very quickly in a dive.
The biggest danger are collisions. You are going much faster than everyone else and closure rates can be very high - especially on bombers.
It is also easy to overspeed and fly right on by your victim and into the ground.
On takeoff, hold down the brakes and let the engines spool all the way up before letting go.
After a few hundred feet, level out and accelerate to at least 300 before climbing out.
At 400, it will maintain climb rate over 2k/min easily. And zoom climbs at high speed are phenomenal.
Landing is tricky at first, but not difficult. It is quite difficult to slow the plane down, compared to what you're used to.
First notch of flaps come out around 350 (IIRC) and gear around 250. Last two notches come out under 200.
Once you get it that slow though, it really has docile handling and is a piece of cake to put down.
One more thing. Expect PM whines by the bushel. ;)
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yup the zoom is amazing - rope em!
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Takeoff from the pilot manual is, to paraphrase:
line up on runay
20 degrees flaps (I guesstimate this as 2 notches)
Apply brakes
throttle up
Once full RPM, release brakes.
At about 120mph you will be able to take off. You will have to pull the nose off the ground (it takes a bit of effort) but once up retract gear, build some speed and retract flaps.
Once I read that and tested it in-game I had a much easier time taking off in them than I used to.
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1st rule: it can be the most tempting, but never accept a ho.
2nd rule: stay fast if youre on the deck
3rd rule: shoot at close ranges, lead a lot, only fire two guns as once
additional fun-rule: if you see a lone 190D or A-8, dont be afraid of turning with him, open the flaps and scissor the crap outta the opponent (wheres Latrobe?? : )
otherwise rope-a-dope works well. My fav thing is when i fly into the middle of a vulchfest and pick all the vulchers, more than 10 kills can be collected in no time. 1v1 sukks the big one in this ride, those dang piston-engined planes always outturn me.
So i dont try to turn with my opponent for a long time, open a flapnotch at 400mph, decelerate lightening fast, try on the snapshot in the overshooting hi-speed scissors then escape.
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1. Set guns at 500/275ish for shotgun effect, fire all guns at once
2. Gun solutions should be crossing shots <300yds, you must lead twice as far as you "think"
3. Never accept a HO.
4. Never dive steeper than 15 degrees or so if you are faster than 475.
5. Use the rudder to throw your nose for further lead at last second if required
6. Don't go for nose up ropes unless you are a lot faster than the plane you are trying to rope. Prop planes will catch you in the rope faster than you realize going nose up and bleed E.
7. Use as much rudder as you can to slow down on landing, get full flaps out.
8. Minor neg G evasives make it very difficult for planes that have dove onto your six to catch you. Watch their nose and evade until they aren't pointed at you. Straighten out and repeat when they get realigned. Repeat until you outrun them.
That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
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Black
Red
Black
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etc.....
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Murphy's Law will conspire against you and you will lose your Duece to the most ridiculous circumstances :furious that never occur when you are in a non-perk ride on 7 out of 10 sorties in a 262...enjoy :headscratch: :bhead :cry
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It's alluded to above, but if you use auto takeoff you might be tempted to hit auto climb as soon as you clear the runway. So that you can check the map, adjust the seat, do your lipstick etc.
At which point you'll rapidly nose into the ground! To your horror. 'cause the auto climb speed is much higher than the takeoff speed, and the aircraft will try to match this speed by diving. Into the ground.
Other tips: once you're at speed, your closure rate ensures that everybody seems to be trying to h/o you. Lots of people will be trying to h/o you. When you're low, you'll get paranoid about the mythical P-47 doing a 10,000 feet dive at you. Don't get greedy, and remember that everybody in range is just waiting for you to crash, or rip off your wings, or continue to fight with a smoking engine, just so they can laugh at you. If you're in doubt, there's no doubt; turn around and run away, and frustrate the mockers. They want you to mess up, they're willing it.
If you score no kills at all during the first couple of sorties, but land successfully, consider that a success.
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It's alluded to above, but if you use auto takeoff you might be tempted to hit auto climb as soon as you clear the runway. So that you can check the map, adjust the seat, do your lipstick etc.
At which point you'll rapidly nose into the ground! To your horror. 'cause the auto climb speed is much higher than the takeoff speed, and the aircraft will try to match this speed by diving. Into the ground.
Other tips: once you're at speed, your closure rate ensures that everybody seems to be trying to h/o you. Lots of people will be trying to h/o you. When you're low, you'll get paranoid about the mythical P-47 doing a 10,000 feet dive at you. Don't get greedy, and remember that everybody in range is just waiting for you to crash, or rip off your wings, or continue to fight with a smoking engine, just so they can laugh at you. If you're in doubt, there's no doubt; turn around and run away, and frustrate the mockers. They want you to mess up, they're willing it.
If you score no kills at all during the first couple of sorties, but land successfully, consider that a success.
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1. Set guns at 500/275ish for shotgun effect, fire all guns at once
2. Gun solutions should be crossing shots <300yds, you must lead twice as far as you "think"
3. Never accept a HO.
4. Never dive steeper than 15 degrees or so if you are faster than 475.
5. Use the rudder to throw your nose for further lead at last second if required
6. Don't go for nose up ropes unless you are a lot faster than the plane you are trying to rope. Prop planes will catch you in the rope faster than you realize going nose up and bleed E.
7. Use as much rudder as you can to slow down on landing, get full flaps out.
8. Minor neg G evasives make it very difficult for planes that have dove onto your six to catch you. Watch their nose and evade until they aren't pointed at you. Straighten out and repeat when they get realigned. Repeat until you outrun them.
That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
you need two more commandments Grizz :D
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don't dive too fast or your wings will tear off.
I went 700+ in it the other day. :devil
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you need two more commandments Grizz :D
:D
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You forgot the most important...... Only TnB with other 262's. :D
1. Set guns at 500/275ish for shotgun effect, fire all guns at once
2. Gun solutions should be crossing shots <300yds, you must lead twice as far as you "think"
3. Never accept a HO.
4. Never dive steeper than 15 degrees or so if you are faster than 475.
5. Use the rudder to throw your nose for further lead at last second if required
6. Don't go for nose up ropes unless you are a lot faster than the plane you are trying to rope. Prop planes will catch you in the rope faster than you realize going nose up and bleed E.
7. Use as much rudder as you can to slow down on landing, get full flaps out.
8. Minor neg G evasives make it very difficult for planes that have dove onto your six to catch you. Watch their nose and evade until they aren't pointed at you. Straighten out and repeat when they get realigned. Repeat until you outrun them.
That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
Interesting stat.... Last tour, most 262's were downed by Lancaster's. :confused:
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Interesting stat.... Last tour, most 262's were downed by Lancaster's. :confused:
Probably from ramming them.
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Last tour, most 262's were downed by Lancaster's. :confused:
Oh really?
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5155/262deaths.jpg)
;)
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Excuse me oh slimey one......but that is NOT a pie chart. Make it so number one.
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But it is a table chart!
His title still stands, the crown remains in place!
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Strange, I ran that chart this morning... :headscratch:
EDIT: Must have been the LSD.
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1. Set guns at 500/275ish for shotgun effect, fire all guns at once
2. Gun solutions should be crossing shots <300yds, you must lead twice as far as you "think"
3. Never accept a HO.
4. Never dive steeper than 15 degrees or so if you are faster than 475.
5. Use the rudder to throw your nose for further lead at last second if required
6. Don't go for nose up ropes unless you are a lot faster than the plane you are trying to rope. Prop planes will catch you in the rope faster than you realize going nose up and bleed E.
7. Use as much rudder as you can to slow down on landing, get full flaps out.
8. Minor neg G evasives make it very difficult for planes that have dove onto your six to catch you. Watch their nose and evade until they aren't pointed at you. Straighten out and repeat when they get realigned. Repeat until you outrun them.
That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
That explains most of your "how the heck did he do that" or "how the heck did he miss that" shots. :D
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But it is a table chart!
His title still stands, the crown remains in place!
True, but HE didn't make it. It is a cut and paste from the scores page. I hereby strip slimey of his crown and order him to stand in the corner until I see an appropriate pie chart. :furious
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How can he make an appropriate pie chart if he's in the corner?
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So, finally had that run tonight as a knit. took to sorties. First was as a Knight, out over A21.
The other was in an attempt to intercept B17's over the Knit HQ.
my first combat impressions with the 262 is that-
Its fuel percentage can be tricky to judge. when i first upped, 100% said it only gave me 23 mins, which i felt was a bummer. then i checked it again after i had climbed, and it had raised itself from 23mins to 29 mins. then as i reached 10k, i was sitting at 35 mins of fuel. i jokingly asked of country chat if the 262 was capable of producing its own fuel. which i was reminded that bellybutton you gain altitude, your need for fuel percentage decreases. stupid me :rolleyes:
Every one really does drop what they are doing to pursue you. over 21, it seemed like the Entire bish horde attemped to go at me as soon as i got within icon range. luckily only a 109 got close pinging me, but it was nothing serious.
the 30mm taters are difficult to aim with, especially when going high speeds. im going to practice some more offline aiming with them, before i go back up. had very nice opportunities to down a nik,spit, and 190. but wasn't able to hit them.
seemed like those 30mm's dropped like a rock right out of the barrel.
i took the "hold your break till your rpm is at max, then take off" advice. it does work rather smoothly.
when trying to pull a soft turn, sometimes it would seem like the aircraft was actually flying completely sideways, it was a weird feeling, and when it started to do this i would put it in autopilot to balance itself, it might be a weird Mouse-using drawback.
When putting it in Autopilot, it likes to bob up&down a little. even at low speeds.
slowing down to land can be tricky, but once on the ground its pretty smooth to taxi.
just my first observations of it. one thing i dont get tho, when i intercepted the B17, i dove in, shot its tail off, watched it plummet from the sky, but did not get a kill for it.
will post a vid of my first 262 kill to be judged by the 262 pros :salute
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I hope your video lives up to this one Tyrannis :D
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?topic=287699.0 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?topic=287699.0)
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Its fuel percentage can be tricky to judge. when i first upped, 100% said it only gave me 23 mins, which i felt was a bummer. then i checked it again after i had climbed, and it had raised itself from 23mins to 29 mins. then as i reached 10k, i was sitting at 35 mins of fuel. i jokingly asked of country chat if the 262 was capable of producing its own fuel. which i was reminded that bellybutton you gain altitude, your need for fuel percentage decreases. stupid me :rolleyes:
I think what happens is that the fuel consumption decreases as you speed up, rather than purely by gaining altitude - I assume the engines have to do less work at high speed, because they're getting more air, but I'm not a jet engineer. The moment you take off it will appear that the fuel situation is bleak, but once you speed up it gets better.
e.g. at max RPM, 5K alt, 250 indicated, you're burning about 1,400 fuel units, at 400 indicated it drops to 1,170. At 5k it seems to level out at 1,105 at about 450 indicated. No doubt someone has a spreadsheet somewhere where you can enter speeds and altitudes and it will give you the fuel consumption, which would be handy for planning.
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In auto speed climb, the speed is constant yet the fuel GPH drops. Therefore it is not speed, but rather altitude (thinner air) which gives it better fuel efficiency.
Hitech confirmed once upon a time that the reason they have sugh a high climb speed is because the engines are more effecient at higher speeds, perhaps due to the point you mention (getting more air). I just don't think it's related to the fuel burn so much.
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ram effect :aok
(its why the acceleration is better at higher speeds)
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it is not speed, but rather altitude (thinner air) which gives it better fuel efficiency / Hitech confirmed [that] the engines are more effecient at higher speeds
So, do the Me-262's engines become more efficient at higher speeds, or not?
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So, do the Me-262's engines become more efficient at higher speeds, or not?
I was saying, they become more fuel efficient at higher alts, not higher speeds. They may make more power at higher speeds possibly (I don't know), but this isn't related to being more "efficient" (re: fuel burn)
EDIT: You can test this yourself. You can fly really slow on the deck then floor the throttle. You're at full throttle but at slower speed. Check the gas consumption. The consumption is pretty steady as you accelerate to top speed, but if you start climbing this drops rather rapidly. If you get above 15k it's amazingly long-legged. If you get up to 20k and throttle back to 7500 rpm or so, you get probably 2 hours of flight time.
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In auto speed climb, the speed is constant yet the fuel GPH drops. Therefore it is not speed, but rather altitude (thinner air) which gives it better fuel efficiency.
Hitech confirmed once upon a time that the reason they have sugh a high climb speed is because the engines are more effecient at higher speeds, perhaps due to the point you mention (getting more air). I just don't think it's related to the fuel burn so much.
Krusty keep in mind that in auto climb the IAS is constant but the TAS is increasing. This supports the idea that it's the speed increase rather than the altitude.
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Krusty keep in mind that in auto climb the IAS is constant but the TAS is increasing. This supports the idea that it's the speed increase rather than the altitude.
you don't understand my post above. I said, you can test this by flying near stall in auto level then jamming the throttle full. As soon as you hit full RPM (there is a lag/delay) you will see if the fuel consumption is steady. Altitude is steady, and (I'm pretty sure, going from memory) GPH consumption is steady as the speed increases. Thus it is not the speed that affects GPH, since you just move across a wide part of the speed envelope and it caused no effect.
I would like to test this out myself but my game control setup is hosed and requires me to go through it all again, which I've been putting off for over a week now.
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I'm pretty sure it's both speed and altitude.
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I agree with that notion. :aok She is fastest down in the mid alts, but fuel efficiency will continue to increase, even with the decrease in engine performance above 24k.
I'm pretty sure it's both speed and altitude.
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I'm pretty sure it's both speed and altitude.
Would you be willing to test that offline? Just do as I said and leave the E6B up as you do it. As soon as your throttle is maxed RPM on takeoff note the GPH. As soon as you get clear and gear up go level and build up to at least 350+mph or so. Is the GPH the same?
If the answer is: It's the same, then the conclusion is: Speed has nothing to do with it, alt only.
If the answer is: It is less GPH, then the conclusion is: Speed has something to do with it, separate from alt.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g58d0SKiTeo
Cmon Krusty. :aok
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Thanks Grizz, that confirms it.
My stick configs are totally wiped, like no axes mapped (no buttons too, I think). All my USB stuff got rewired to different ports and on top I installed CH manager so it was all unassociated things by doing that too. Otherwise I'd have jumped offline to test it myself.
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Thanks Grizz, that confirms it.
My stick configs are totally wiped, like no axes mapped (no buttons too, I think). All my USB stuff got rewired to different ports and on top I installed CH manager so it was all unassociated things by doing that too. Otherwise I'd have jumped offline to test it myself.
Yeah I was pretty much 100% positive since I fly the 262 so often but you also seemed pretty certain. I had to check to see if I was losing my mind. :airplane:
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Myth confirmed :aok
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Great news! after 3 Sorties in the MA in the 262. i finally have my first ever confirmed MA 262 kill. and to make it even sweeter, it was on another 262! :x
http://www.mediafire.com/?qyl7kaabuju3ow1
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/Untitled-147.png)
Happened to run into grizz, chased down a run-away nikki. he was nice enough to fly straight for us. :aok
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/Untitled-148.png)
Then my last kill of the Sortie. my own little nikki. Who flew perfectly straight for me as well :aok
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/Untitled-149.png)
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(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/Untitled-150.png)
All suggestions/critisizm on my flying is welcomed. I like the ride and do wish to improve on it. The bullet drop is deff a factor im going to need to work on. (All suggestions should be made with a mouse-user in mind)
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Great news! after 3 Sorties in the MA in the 262. i finally have my first ever confirmed MA 262 kill. and to make it even sweeter, it was on another 262! :x
http://www.mediafire.com/?qyl7kaabuju3ow1
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/Untitled-147.png)
Happened to run into grizz, chased down a run-away nikki. he was nice enough to fly straight for us. :aok
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/Untitled-148.png)
Then my last kill of the Sortie. my own little nikki. Who flew perfectly straight for me as well :aok
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/Untitled-149.png)
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(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/Untitled-150.png)
All suggestions/critisizm on my flying is welcomed. I like the ride and do wish to improve on it. The bullet drop is deff a factor im going to need to work on. (All suggestions should be made with a mouse-user in mind)
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If you had the E/speed/alt advantage on the other 262 you should of avoided that HO at all costs. Good way to loose a lot of perkies in a fight that's already yours. You got lucky to of survived it otherwise, but these things happen anyways given it can be hard at times to tell if your closing in on a target's 12 or 6 in a speedy 262 (A favorite trick of mine in defending myself against one trying to BnZ me).
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If you had the E/speed/alt advantage on the other 262 you should of avoided that HO at all costs. Good way to loose a lot of perkies in a fight that's already yours. You got lucky to of survived it otherwise, but these things happen anyways given it can be hard at times to tell if your closing in on a target's 12 or 6 in a speedy 262 (A favorite trick of mine in defending myself against one trying to BnZ me).
:headscratch: but, i didnt HO him, thats me 200 off his 6.
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:headscratch: but, i didnt HO him, thats me 200 off his 6.
haha, its hard to decide if its the 12 or 6 oclock, isnt it, Babalon?
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(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/Untitled-151.png)
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:headscratch: but, i didnt HO him, thats me 200 off his 6.
Ah, so you were, my mistake, hard to tell with him in flames :aok , and I could of sworn some of the tracers looked like they were comming at you.
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I can tell you what not to do. Don't blast off the last 10 rounds into the runway, while landing your first flight, with a couple kills to boot, & accidentally kill shoot yourself because, someone up's in front of you, just as your wheels touched down, costing you 135 points , and a lot more embarrassment..... :old: :furious
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My most boneheaded 262 loss (other than plummeting straight down compressed on flight 1), was while teaching a squaddie to land his 262. I was flying formation with him and talking him through what to do on final. He got slow, but I wasn't watching my speed. I saw him start to skid, then spin in. I was just thinking "poor sob" when I did the same thing. Doh!