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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CAP1 on July 07, 2011, 12:26:42 AM
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so i get this phone call at the shop today. they say they're a relay center. i've dealt with this kind of call before....they relay calls for speech, or hearing impaired people. they let the people type, then read what was typed. so far, pretty normal.
they tell me the guys name(first only, and i can't remember it), and that he was recommended to me by a customer. he wants the brakes fixed on his escalade if i do brake work, and can i handle this. still cool so far. i say that i can do brakes on anything. here's where it goes to poop.
he says that he's just relocated to here, and is going in for surgery in 3 days. he wants to have the escalade towed to my shop from north carolina. suspicious. he now says that he'll give me a credit card number over the phone, and wants me to run it for $3k, $1k of which i will keep to pay for the tow(because the towing company doesn't take credit cards....bs), and deposit the balance in his account, so he has money for the surgery.
since he's popped about a dozen red flags now, i ask who recommended him to me. he says "dave". ok....got a couple customers named dave. so i ask, dave who? silence. then the operator tells me that he disconnected.
i told her, "you know that was a scam, right?" she goes "really?". i said yes, it was a modified version of one of those nigerian lottery scams, and that she may want to pass this on to the other operators in the company, and her supervisor.
it's getting pretty effed up, when i think i'm getting a good job in, and then find out it's a scam....and a poor one at that. wish i had a way to track his bellybutton down.....i'd turn him in..............
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so i get this phone call at the shop today. they say they're a relay center. i've dealt with this kind of call before....they relay calls for speech, or hearing impaired people. they let the people type, then read what was typed. so far, pretty normal.
they tell me the guys name(first only, and i can't remember it), and that he was recommended to me by a customer. he wants the brakes fixed on his escalade if i do brake work, and can i handle this. still cool so far. i say that i can do brakes on anything. here's where it goes to poop.
he says that he's just relocated to here, and is going in for surgery in 3 days. he wants to have the escalade towed to my shop from north carolina. suspicious. he now says that he'll give me a credit card number over the phone, and wants me to run it for $3k, $1k of which i will keep to pay for the tow(because the towing company doesn't take credit cards....bs), and deposit the balance in his account, so he has money for the surgery.
since he's popped about a dozen red flags now, i ask who recommended him to me. he says "dave". ok....got a couple customers named dave. so i ask, dave who? silence. then the operator tells me that he disconnected.
i told her, "you know that was a scam, right?" she goes "really?". i said yes, it was a modified version of one of those nigerian lottery scams, and that she may want to pass this on to the other operators in the company, and her supervisor.
it's getting pretty effed up, when i think i'm getting a good job in, and then find out it's a scam....and a poor one at that. wish i had a way to track his bellybutton down.....i'd turn him in..............
How dose this scam work?
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How dose this scam work?
i think that had i been dumb enough to swallow the bait, i'd have run the cc number, and then taken $2k out of my account, and put it in his.......and then in about a week or two, i'd have gotten a letter from my bank, saying that it was a bad cc number.....and i'd have been out the 2k.
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if you got his phone number you can possibly track him down.if the number was blocked however it might be a little harder.
the easyest way to try and track him down is use his number and go on yellow pages.you can find adresses by typing in a phone number.(doesnt work with cell phones)you can get the adress this way
if your phone is connected to a computer it might be easyer,and he'd be really screwed if his phone is to.if this is the case,try to find his IP adress.if you do find it,let me know.I can tell you the color of his grass and how many windows are in his house if you can get me that IP adress.
on the other hand,ive had the same type where some guy from india won a bunch of money and wants to use my bank account to deposit it,saying that i can keep 15k.yeah BS,he got a nice reply from me
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Happened to me when I got my first cell phone, it was an att call saying I owed them money and they needed a credit card number and names. I simply told them that I wasn't paying because I had Verizon and had nothing to do with att, there was that silence then they hung up. Scared the shiz out of me because it was almost 800 bucks, but I guessed it was a scam, and when I showed my mom the number she said it was defiantly a scam. It was a south Carolina number
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i think that had i been dumb enough to swallow the bait, i'd have run the cc number, and then taken $2k out of my account, and put it in his.......and then in about a week or two, i'd have gotten a letter from my bank, saying that it was a bad cc number.....and i'd have been out the 2k.
OK, i am a bit slow here so bare with me.....why would you put 2k of your own money into his account?
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I dont understand either, usually there is some kind of gain for the scammer, and it doesnt appear there is one here.
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OK, i am a bit slow here so bare with me.....why would you put 2k of your own money into his account?
you might wanna check your transactions,its possible you have fallen for it..i think :noid
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The scammer would get $2k for free by supplying a fake credit card that cap wouldn't find out about until it was too late.
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The scammer would get $2k for free by supplying a fake credit card that cap wouldn't find out about until it was too late.
That is where i am lost. If Cap ran the fake CC, how can the scammer get the 2k out of it?
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OK, i am a bit slow here so bare with me.....why would you put 2k of your own money into his account?
because i'm not supposed to realize what he's trying to do.
if it weren't a scam, i'd run his credit card, and within 48 hours, i'll have that amount in my checking account. so what they hope for, is that all i see is a good job coming, run the cc number(most likely bad), and then based on the fact that he's having his truck towed to me, i'm supposed to take a leap of faith, and deposit money into his account. then 2 days later, the truck still isn't here, and i'm supposed to be out 2k.
as soon as i started asking who recommended me, he realized that i knew the poop he was trying, and disconnected from the service.
these kind of scammers depend on stupid people.....or people that just don't have much common sense. even had he continued, i'd have made him come into the shop, so i had the card right here with me. i don't key numbers in. they charge me more, and you can refuse that charge, no matter what i say, if i keyed the numbers in.....so i never do that.
i'm not the sharpest pencil in the pack.....but i'm not stupid either.
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I dont understand either, usually there is some kind of gain for the scammer, and it doesnt appear there is one here.
the gain would have been had i been dumb enough to fall for it, i'd have very foolishly deposited $2k into his account.
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The scammer would get $2k for free by supplying a fake credit card that cap wouldn't find out about until it was too late.
we have a winnah! :aok
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So, he gives you this fake number to have his vehical tow up there but not right to your place. In return, you are stuck paying 2k for something that you fell for.
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So, he gives you this fake number to have his vehical tow up there but not right to your place. In return, you are stuck paying 2k for something that you fell for.
if i were that dumb, yes. that's why he hung up when i started questioning the name of the person recommending me.
i had forgotten......i also told him through this relay service, that the towing company would have to call me at the shop. he wanted an email addy for them...........
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if i were that dumb, yes. that's why he hung up when i started questioning the name of the person recommending me.
i had forgotten......i also told him through this relay service, that the towing company would have to call me at the shop. he wanted an email addy for them...........
Ok, i see now. Huh, i wonder how many ppl fall for that?
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Ok, i see now. Huh, i wonder how many ppl fall for that?
Must be quite a few if it's worth their time and effort to do it as often as they do.
I worked at a small sporting goods store once and had a rash of these calls. They would say that they wanted $5,000 in "sporting goods." When I asked what kind they would just reply "sporting goods." Told the boss it was too bad that it was a scam. We could have off-loaded some of that really old crap we had taking up space.
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It's been around for decades. The card numbers are stolen/swiped numbers and have to be used quickly before the owner reports the card stolen or the issuing bank notices the fraudulent pattern.
Pizza delivery and restaurants get these scams all the time. For example, they get a huge order and are told to charge thousands extra and keep half of it for their trouble in fulfilling the order, and deposit a portion of the overage to an account. Any retail business with a merchant account gets hit with these kinds of scams.
Ironically, many of the cc numbers and names come from restaurants. The servers get paid by a runner every night for every name with cc number they turn over from their customers that evening.
Does the scam work? Of course. Just like anything else, it's a numbers game. The callers keep going until they find someone who does it and they find people every single day. A hit rate of 3% from a boiler room can bring in $10,000 per caller per day.
In many cases, the card owner never knows that it happened because the banks shut down the transactions that they know are fraudulent. The banks/cc processors know that it will only be tried on fresh cc numbers for a day or two and they know the patterns. It's a secret within the industry. The banks and cc companies don't talk about it because the volume of fraudulent cc transactions is staggering in total, but the losses are spread out among all the users and merchants in the fees they charge. Naive/greedy merchants get stuck with most of the ones that go through and most eat most of the losses because they're too embarrassed to talk about it after they figure it out.
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I got a call from an Indian call centre a month or two ago. They said they were a company doing work for Microsoft ringing people who had a serious problem on their PC that they would fix for free. Realising this was a scam I called her a f***ing con artist and hung up. Reading up on this later, what they do is get the mark to download and install a software "fix" for the problem which is actually a trojan. I can imagine a lot of PC-phobic people falling for this.
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Many people out there fall for this type of stuff. We had an employee at work respond to an email asking for the password to the email account by giving them all the info they requested. Fortunately another employee along with our webmaster noticed it very quickly and changed all the passwords before any harm could be done.
We hear about this stuff all the time in our area, sadly it's usually the very desperate or the elderly that fall for these tricks.
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It's been around for decades. The card numbers are stolen/swiped numbers and have to be used quickly before the owner reports the card stolen or the issuing bank notices the fraudulent pattern.
Pizza delivery and restaurants get these scams all the time. For example, they get a huge order and are told to charge thousands extra and keep half of it for their trouble in fulfilling the order, and deposit a portion of the overage to an account. Any retail business with a merchant account gets hit with these kinds of scams.
Ironically, many of the cc numbers and names come from restaurants. The servers get paid by a runner every night for every name with cc number they turn over from their customers that evening.
Does the scam work? Of course. Just like anything else, it's a numbers game. The callers keep going until they find someone who does it and they find people every single day. A hit rate of 3% from a boiler room can bring in $10,000 per caller per day.
In many cases, the card owner never knows that it happened because the banks shut down the transactions that they know are fraudulent. The banks/cc processors know that it will only be tried on fresh cc numbers for a day or two and they know the patterns. It's a secret within the industry. The banks and cc companies don't talk about it because the volume of fraudulent cc transactions is staggering in total, but the losses are spread out among all the users and merchants in the fees they charge. Naive/greedy merchants get stuck with most of the ones that go through and most eat most of the losses because they're too embarrassed to talk about it after they figure it out.
ya know? that makes sense. perhaps the guy called my shop by mistake, seeing as i'm a repair shop, and not a retailer.......either that, or he was simply trying to see what would happen.
i did have a guy call from texas a few years ago, saying his card was showing a transaction at this address, but that he'd never been to nj. i went through my records, and had no record of him, by name, or amount, or cc number. went out front, and had the gas guys do the same thing.........someone effed that guy big time.
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OK, i am a bit slow here so bare with me.....why would you put 2k of your own money into his account?
You need to do some reading.
:)
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So, he gives you this fake number to have his vehical tow up there but not right to your place. In return, you are stuck paying 2k for something that you fell for.
There is no vehicle, and no surgery. It's a scam.
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so i get this phone call at the shop today. they say they're a relay center. i've dealt with this kind of call before....they relay calls for speech, or hearing impaired people. they let the people type, then read what was typed. so far, pretty normal.
they tell me the guys name(first only, and i can't remember it), and that he was recommended to me by a customer. he wants the brakes fixed on his escalade if i do brake work, and can i handle this. still cool so far. i say that i can do brakes on anything. here's where it goes to poop.
he says that he's just relocated to here, and is going in for surgery in 3 days. he wants to have the escalade towed to my shop from north carolina. suspicious. he now says that he'll give me a credit card number over the phone, and wants me to run it for $3k, $1k of which i will keep to pay for the tow(because the towing company doesn't take credit cards....bs), and deposit the balance in his account, so he has money for the surgery.
since he's popped about a dozen red flags now, i ask who recommended him to me. he says "dave". ok....got a couple customers named dave. so i ask, dave who? silence. then the operator tells me that he disconnected.
i told her, "you know that was a scam, right?" she goes "really?". i said yes, it was a modified version of one of those nigerian lottery scams, and that she may want to pass this on to the other operators in the company, and her supervisor.
it's getting pretty effed up, when i think i'm getting a good job in, and then find out it's a scam....and a poor one at that. wish i had a way to track his bellybutton down.....i'd turn him in..............
Definitely not a scam. $2,000 is more than enough for a surgery. Ask Penguin :rofl
Thats 3 for 3 CAP. One of us has to take a break or the BBS will shut down :old:
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You need to do some reading.
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There is no vehicle, and no surgery. It's a scam.
Thanks, i got it. :salute
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There is no vehicle, and no surgery. It's a scam.
i still find it difficult to comprehend that there are people old enough to be in a position to run a company, that may be dumb enough to fall for somethign like this.....
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i still find it difficult to comprehend that there are people old enough to be in a position to run a company, that may be dumb enough to fall for somethign like this.....
What I am wondering is, what would happen if you charged the 3K and instead of depositing 2K in his account, draw everything from it. Would anyone complain? :rofl :rofl :rofl
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i still find it difficult to comprehend that there are people old enough to be in a position to run a company, that may be dumb enough to fall for somethign like this.....
There is that very small % of population that will fall for it.
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What I am wondering is, what would happen if you charged the 3K and instead of depositing 2K in his account, draw everything from it. Would anyone complain? :rofl :rofl :rofl
nah.......with merchant accounts like this, what happens, is i run the numbers, key in the amount, and then the money's supposed to be in my account within 48 hours. if i were to draw money out of my account, and the cc number happened to be stolen.....the person it was stolen from notices a $3k charge, calls the company, and questions it......then they kill that transaction. they will then(if it was deposited into my account) draw it out, with no warning. i would then be bouncing checks all over the place.
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There is that very small % of population that will fall for it.
but as someone up the page mentioned.....if those making the calls only manage a 3% success rate, that will still net them massive amounts of money.
me personally.....i don't do anything with credit cards anymore. i don't have any. if i can't hand you cash, or a check, then i can't afford to buy whatever it is.
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so i get this phone call at the shop today. they say they're a relay center. i've dealt with this kind of call before....they relay calls for speech, or hearing impaired people. they let the people type, then read what was typed. so far, pretty normal.
they tell me the guys name(first only, and i can't remember it), and that he was recommended to me by a customer. he wants the brakes fixed on his escalade if i do brake work, and can i handle this. still cool so far. i say that i can do brakes on anything. here's where it goes to poop.
he says that he's just relocated to here, and is going in for surgery in 3 days. he wants to have the escalade towed to my shop from north carolina. suspicious. he now says that he'll give me a credit card number over the phone, and wants me to run it for $3k, $1k of which i will keep to pay for the tow(because the towing company doesn't take credit cards....bs), and deposit the balance in his account, so he has money for the surgery.
since he's popped about a dozen red flags now, i ask who recommended him to me. he says "dave". ok....got a couple customers named dave. so i ask, dave who? silence. then the operator tells me that he disconnected.
i told her, "you know that was a scam, right?" she goes "really?". i said yes, it was a modified version of one of those nigerian lottery scams, and that she may want to pass this on to the other operators in the company, and her supervisor.
it's getting pretty effed up, when i think i'm getting a good job in, and then find out it's a scam....and a poor one at that. wish i had a way to track his bellybutton down.....i'd turn him in..............
The relay system uses very specialized equipment that must be registred with a central database. Its like a modem for all purposes except its very easy to trace.
You couldve asked to speak to the relay person's supervisor and reported it as a scam. That will make them disable that device from their system and investigate/report to authorities.
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The relay system uses very specialized equipment that must be registred with a central database. Its like a modem for all purposes except its very easy to trace.
You couldve asked to speak to the relay person's supervisor and reported it as a scam. That will make them disable that device from their system and investigate/report to authorities.
i hadn't realized that. i'll call the company back today, and give them the info with an approximate time, to see if they can still do something......
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but as someone up the page mentioned.....if those making the calls only manage a 3% success rate, that will still net them massive amounts of money.
me personally.....i don't do anything with credit cards anymore. i don't have any. if i can't hand you cash, or a check, then i can't afford to buy whatever it is.
Wait, so what if you want to buy something online, like a book?
-Penguin
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Insert P. T. Barnum quote here.....
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I buy everything with credit cards. any problems I don't have to pay. cash is gone, same for checks. in places where I don't trust to use my debit like gas /restaurants then it's cc only.
what you guys don't understand is that for any fraud/w wrong charges on cc all it takes is one call and they get reversed. cash our check good luck getting your money back.
semp
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I buy everything with credit cards. any problems I don't have to pay. cash is gone, same for checks. in places where I don't trust to use my debit like gas /restaurants then it's cc only.
what you guys don't understand is that for any fraud/w wrong charges on cc all it takes is one call and they get reversed. cash our check good luck getting your money back.
semp
i do understand that. i've never had a problem with paying by cash or check. in stores, i see lines held up though, due to people having to punch in pin numbers, or having a card declined.......in the time it takes them to handle one of those, 3 or 4 cash customers can go through.
they also charge the merchant a percentage, and a service fee for being allowed to accept your card, along with the interest you pay for carrying the balance.
for some people, cards are ok.........but all in all, i think they suck.
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i hadn't realized that. i'll call the company back today, and give them the info with an approximate time, to see if they can still do something......
Psssst! It was not a real relay system foo :neener:
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Psssst! It was not a real relay system foo :neener:
it was.....i called them back and they explained to me what they do......or possibly that was part of the scam.......hhmm.........
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i hadn't realized that. i'll call the company back today, and give them the info with an approximate time, to see if they can still do something......
it's not quite that easy and it depends on what nbr showed to you, the relay nbr or the actual ph nbr being used - it's very possible the person was only pretending to be a relay service and actually using their own phone.
also, an actual relay operator only relays what's being said, without judgement or prejudice, so calling the "relay company" won't do much good.