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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: cut67 on July 12, 2011, 04:20:33 AM
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I dont know if there was one during the war other than the HE111 but it would be nice to see some German/Russian Heavy bombers <S>
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Germany and Soviet Russia didn't need or depend on heavy bombers, nor could their battle tactics or their strategic plans benefit from them.
They just didn't work that way. That's why they don't have any.
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Germany and Soviet Russia didn't need or depend on heavy bombers, nor could their battle tactics or their strategic plans benefit from them.
They just didn't work that way. That's why they don't have any.
Yeah I read up on it and the Germans Halted their heavy bomber making due to the cost and how it wouldnt benefit to their style of fighting
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Don't misunderstand heavy effort vs heavy bombers. The Germans put a lot of effort into bombers and used them throughout the war. However, they were all medium or light bombers. Not what you would compare to a B-17 or Lancaster. Often twin-engined.
There was a heavy emphasis on bombers, but not "heavy" bombers, if you see the distinction?
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didnt the germans have a big 4 engine plane called the condor? or was it just a transport plane? :salute
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Essentially a long-range airliner converted to maritime patrol (light bomb load to drop on shipping) but it was not a heavy bomber. It was large and it was decidedly fragile, often breaking its own back when landing.
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Well, we should either the He111, Do217, or maybe even the Do17z.
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Well, we should either the He111, Do217, or maybe even the Do17z.
I would favor the Ju188A over the Do217E, but either would be very nice. The He111 is needed as a scenario bomber much as the G4M was. Do17z, well, maybe someday but it has to be far down the list.
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The Do17Z was barely adequate during the invasion of Poland and France. During Battle of Britain times it was obsolete and they knew it. It was just too slow, too weak, too lightly armed to do anything. After massive losses in the BOB it was fully removed from frontline service, but it was on its way out either way.
I seem to recall somebody made a breakdown of the plane types in BOB once, and the Do17Z was the smallest portion of the bomber fleet. It wasn't as numerous as the Ju88s or He111s, and frankly if we had either a Ju88A1 or a He111 we would never have a use for a Do17Z ever.
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Instead of putting 150 of the B17, B24, or Lancaster size bombers in the air, comparatively the Germans would put 200 of the medium He111's and "light" heavy Ju88's.
Remember, the Ju88 can carry more ordnance weight than the B17. It just doesnt have the defenses, range, or speed. The Ju88 didnt really need any of that considering where Germany was bombing.
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I dont know if there was one during the war other than the HE111 but it would be nice to see some German/Russian Heavy bombers <S>
HE177!!!=BEST PLANE EVAR!
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(http://www.truthorfiction.com/images/k72.jpg)
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HE177!!!=BEST PLANE EVAR!
No barely saw combat.
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I dont know if there was one during the war other than the HE111 but it would be nice to see some German/Russian/ITALIAN Heavy bombers <S>
Fixed. :aok Piaggio P108.
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No barely saw combat.
YES IT DID SEE COMBAT...
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Fixed. :aok Piaggio P108.
Fixed. :aok H8K2 'Emily'
:P
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Fixed. :aok H8K2 'Emily'
:P
+1, along with the ability to land on water
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No barely saw combat.
YES IT DID SEE COMBAT...
Yes, it saw combat, but it was undoubtedly one of the worst warplanes of the war. Absolutely dreadful piece of crap. Best service it did was to be a large, tempting target for strafing Allied aircraft that spared more useful aircraft such as, well, everything else.
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Fixed. :aok H8K2 'Emily'
:P
Germans at least flew my pick. :neener: Yes for the yacht. :aok
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(http://www.truthorfiction.com/images/k72.jpg)
:rofl That made my day right there, thank you. I was like
:O :banana: :noid :headscratch: :huh :lol
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YES IT DID SEE COMBAT...
Yes, it saw combat, but it was undoubtedly one of the worst warplanes of the war. Absolutely dreadful piece of crap. Best service it did was to be a large, tempting target for strafing Allied aircraft that spared more useful aircraft such as, well, everything else.
thanks for the troll... just becuase its something i like you use such harsh words on it... lets think of other dreadful pieces of crap in the game um this will be hard!
JU87!
JU88!
G4M1!
SBD!
TBM!
P40B!
P39s
B25C!
D3A1!
B5N!
the list goes on...
we do not have one german bomber in the game that is not perked,and dose not make the list above
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...That's because those are the only German bombers we even have...
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thanks for the troll... just becuase its something i like you use such harsh words on it... lets think of other dreadful pieces of crap in the game um this will be hard!
JU87!
JU88!
G4M1!
SBD!
TBM!
P40B!
P39s
B25C!
D3A1!
B5N!
the list goes on...
we do not have one german bomber in the game that is not perked,and dose not make the list above
DONT DISS MY 39 YOU NOOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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thanks for the troll... just becuase its something i like you use such harsh words on it... lets think of other dreadful pieces of crap in the game um this will be hard!
JU87!
JU88!
G4M1!
SBD!
TBM!
P40B!
P39s
B25C!
D3A1!
B5N!
the list goes on...
we do not have one german bomber in the game that is not perked,and dose not make the list above
All of those were vastly superior to the He177. Do you know why? Because they WORKED!
Get your head out of your rectum. The He177 was an utter failure of a weapon system. Every aircraft you listed was very effective in its day.
I agree that a better German bomber would be a good addition, but that bomber will be called Ju188A or Do217E, not He177.
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thanks for the troll... just becuase its something i like you use such harsh words on it... lets think of other dreadful pieces of crap in the game um this will be hard!
JU87!
JU88!
G4M1!
SBD!
TBM!
P40B!
P39s
B25C!
D3A1!
B5N!
Why, because they arent all late war monsters? If anything, that is a list of some of the best planes in the game imho. :rolleyes:
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thanks for the troll... just becuase its something i like you use such harsh words on it... lets think of other dreadful pieces of crap in the game um this will be hard!
JU87!
JU88!
G4M1!
SBD!
TBM!
P40B!
P39s
B25C!
D3A1!
B5N!
the list goes on...
we do not have one german bomber in the game that is not perked,and dose not make the list above
Bwahahahaha run into Stang in the P-39 and see how fast the "dreadful pieces of crap" shoots you your silly arse down.
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thanks for the troll... just becuase its something i like you use such harsh words on it... lets think of other dreadful pieces of crap in the game um this will be hard!
JU87!
JU88!
G4M1!
SBD!
TBM!
P40B!
P39s
B25C!
D3A1!
B5N!
the list goes on...
we do not have one german bomber in the game that is not perked,and dose not make the list above
So at least they didn't spend the whole war on tarmac unlike the He177. The He177 is know as the "Flaming Coffin." At least they never got engine problems regularly.
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Karnak: I believe in a semi-recent He-177 thread somebody brought a lot of info out about later versions of the He-177 and how it was used in larger numbers for level bombing on the Eastern Front for a while. This would be after much of the engine problems were solved (but, if I recall the discussion correctly, not all of them solved).
I wouldn't say sat as a target was the only thing it did because the later "fixed" (or "reworked" or whatever you want to call it) variants were much more reliable.
In general I don't want to see it in AH any time soon, but I wouldn't rule it out completely.
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I've seen footage of russian paratroopers jumping off bombers after riding on the wings since there wasn't enough room inside. This might make an interesting addition to field captures.
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So at least they didn't spend the whole war on tarmac unlike the He177. The He177 is know as the "Flaming Coffin." At least they never got engine problems regularly.
aka b29
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Essentially a long-range airliner converted to maritime patrol (light bomb load to drop on shipping) but it was not a heavy bomber. It was large and it was decidedly fragile, often breaking its own back when landing.
:salute thanks krusty
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aka b29
Once they worked the problems out of the 3350, the engine was a reliable, powerful, and effective one. Like almost every other engine you ever come across in ANY aviation, the engines go through trial and error, and therefore, improvement.
And you're really talking about apples to oranges. The B-29 became a workhorse alongside the B-17 and B-24. Eventually dropping Fat man and Little Boy, they dropped incendiaries on major Japanese cities before then. The B-29 was a vastly more effective and widely used aircraft than the 177.
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Once they worked the problems out of the 3350, the engine was a reliable, powerful, and effective one. Like almost every other engine you ever come across in ANY aviation, the engines go through trial and error, and therefore, improvement.
sans the Lycoming O-320
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hmmm sirs, someone really dont wanna see the 177...
me neither, i would vote to the 188, but some of you act like an inverse WMaker:
it was a crapppp
:devil