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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Tyrannis on July 12, 2011, 04:50:33 AM
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any chance of us getting these 2 skins added to the list? or anyone possibly working on them currently?
just seems sort-of wrong to leave these 2 historic skins off the list :(
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any chance of us getting these 2 skins added to the list? or anyone possibly working on them currently?
just seems sort-of wrong to leave these 2 historic skins off the list :(
Boxcar would be lame, or did you mean "Bockscar?"
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I dont believe the "Silverplate" 29s are modeled.
Poem about the 509th on Tinian:
Into the air the secret rose,
Where they're going, nobody knows.
Tomorrow they'll return again,
But we'll never know where they've been.
Don't ask us about results or such,
Unless you want to get in Dutch.
But take it from one who is sure of the score,
The 509th is winning the war. ----
From what ive read, it was writted by other B29'ers responding to the fact that they (509th) were never on many bombing missions over Japan.They would take off, and come back and not be able to talk about what they were doing.
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I agree they are not fitting skins for the bomber we have in-game. Silver plate were practically unarmed and had the turrets removed and metal plates faired over the holes.
Let's stick with skins that "fit" the role and mission of our in-game B-29, rather than a lighter, unarmed, rarey-saw-combat specialized markings of Enola Gay or BocksCar.
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I agree they are not fitting skins for the bomber we have in-game. Silver plate were practically unarmed and had the turrets removed and metal plates faired over the holes.
Let's stick with skins that "fit" the role and mission of our in-game B-29, rather than a lighter, unarmed, rarey-saw-combat specialized markings of Enola Gay or BocksCar.
i understand your point.
But cmon, as far as i know, AH has the ONLY flyable B29 in a game, and your going to say that the 2 most famous B29's in history should be excluded? surely exceptions could be made, atleast for just these 2 skins.
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I agree they are not fitting skins for the bomber we have in-game. Silver plate were practically unarmed and had the turrets removed and metal plates faired over the holes.
Let's stick with skins that "fit" the role and mission of our in-game B-29, rather than a lighter, unarmed, rarey-saw-combat specialized markings of Enola Gay or BocksCar.
The above is true but...
We have a Russian C47 skin that should have a 20mm cannon in a turret on top when it does not.
We have a BREWSTER B239 skin that is US when the real US version was the F2A and was very different.
We have a JAP C47 that should have JAP instruments in the cockpit.
etc.etc.etc
so as you can see we have skins in game that do not "fit" the role of themselfs
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you're picking minor points, which can easily be picked right back. All minor points. If you'd like I can go into those line by line.
The issue with the B-29 is a pretty fundamental one. BocksCar and EnolaGay didn't see regular combat. They only saw specialized training and A-bomb dropping.
Now, if you want to suggest other silverplate skins, that's another matter. There were quite a few that flew missions over Japan dropping bombs. But Enola Gay? Nope. For all intents and purposes it's what you could consider a non-combat skin :t
(I know I'm going to take flak for that comment, but so be it!)
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I'm with the it doesn't make sense to skin them as they didn't drop any regular bombs, and last I checked we're not getting Nukes, crowd.
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My thoughts on this matter.
Both are historical skins, and have a lot of history to them, therefore should be added on that basis.
However, they both have been glamorized and seen enough fame. We should really give those two slots
to a pair of B-29s who received far less glory for a relatively similar amount of history.
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i understand your point.
But cmon, as far as i know, AH has the ONLY flyable B29 in a game, and your going to say that the 2 most famous B29's in history should be excluded? surely exceptions could be made, atleast for just these 2 skins.
So what did the skins look like during the war? In the case of Bocks car I can assure you it looked nothing like what is at the Airforce museum today. Enola Gay was the same.
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So what did the skins look like during the war? In the case of Bocks car I can assure you it looked nothing like what is at the Airforce museum today. Enola Gay was the same.
Enola Gay
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/6598576e-68a9-4d0d-97d6-cd5e17ae551cgrid-6x2.jpg)
l
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/tibbets2x.jpg)
l
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/rosafuta1-1.jpg)
Bockscar
Bockscar is the one that confuses me. because i found this card showing it with these markings.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/Bcw48hBmkKGrHqYH-CQEqun6mUlBK14dcV1g_3.jpg)
But a website stating all the b29s that were in the 509th states it had these symbols
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/roszak_bockscar.jpg)
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Maybe the painters realized they failed. :P
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Enola Gay
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/6598576e-68a9-4d0d-97d6-cd5e17ae551cgrid-6x2.jpg)
l
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/tibbets2x.jpg)
l
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/rosafuta1-1.jpg)
Bockscar
Bockscar is the one that confuses me. because i found this card showing it with these markings.
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/Bcw48hBmkKGrHqYH-CQEqun6mUlBK14dcV1g_3.jpg)
But a website stating all the b29s that were in the 509th states it had these symbols
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/roszak_bockscar.jpg)
As I said Enola Gay correct. :aok Bockscar is not. :aok
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Scroll through these 17 photos of Bockscar & you will see what I am talking about.
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=527
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For all intents and purposes it's what you could consider a non-combat skin :t
They are actually talking about something similar in the P40 thread.
We have the "STUD" skin in-game and it was a personal ride for an officer. It never saw combat. 325FG/319FS skin by Octavius.
Juuuuust sayin'. :)
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They are actually talking about something similar in the P40 thread.
We have the "STUD" skin in-game and it was a personal ride for an officer. It never saw combat. 325FG/319FS skin by Octavius.
Juuuuust sayin'. :)
Not a valid comparison, because that was skinned and submitted under the belief that it was a real fighter skin, from what I recall. I traded PMs with him once or twice and I get the impression he just wanted to make a cool looking skin (been there, done that, nothing wrong with it).
Plus, P-40s are being redone so those skins are all going bye-bye.
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It's still valid.
The skin is there is it not?
Non combat skin in game. My statement still stands. Just like in court, if it happened and there is proof, it doesn't matter if it was an "accident", it's still there. :aok
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It's still valid.
No, your comparison is NOT valid. Only recently was it found to be a squadron hack. HTC takes forever to remove skins from a game once accepted.
There is a big difference between making a mistake and having a skin accepted, versus submitting a skin in bad faith or through deception.
Further, that is only half the story when it comes to the B-29s in question. They do not represent our in-game B-29 in any way. They were specifically modified, practically unarmed, could not carry conventional ord, only carried A-bombs. They did not fly anywhere else, fly any other missions except practice runs.
Why are you so supportive of skins that have nothing to do with anything in our game?
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No, your comparison is NOT valid. Only recently was it found to be a squadron hack. HTC takes forever to remove skins from a game once accepted.
There is a big difference between making a mistake and having a skin accepted, versus submitting a skin in bad faith or through deception.
Further, that is only half the story when it comes to the B-29s in question. They do not represent our in-game B-29 in any way. They were specifically modified, practically unarmed, could not carry conventional ord, only carried A-bombs. They did not fly anywhere else, fly any other missions except practice runs.
Why are you so supportive of skins that have nothing to do with anything in our game?
Has nothing to do with the game? As far as I know the game has representations of WW2 aircraft including the B-29. The two made runs in combat situations. Why not? And who made you grand poobah of all that is skinning.
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Those shorts they are wearing definitely suits the aircraft name :bolt:
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #2
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Krusty and Wrongway are correct, there are plenty of B-29A aircraft that deserve to be represented by a skin. No need to do the A-Bombers.
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Why have a little fun with the skins? I mean this is not a game its serious business.
Why not pink Spitfires, I mean, F4U's?
:headscratch:
When I say markings based on squadron, I'm talking about actual WWII squadrons, not AH squadrons. This is not about having custom markings. Skins are not submitted for a person or squadron's private use. Forget the word "custom", that's not what this is. What it is is the ability of a player to add another skin option to a particular plane that EVERYBODY can use. The purpose of submitting a skin is for everybody to use it. If that is not why someone is submitting a skin, then they shouldn't submit one. Period.
As I said, there is a criteria that must be met for us to admit a user submission. Basically, it must be something that we would add to the game ourselves. A skin may not be added for many reasons- quality, historical accuracy, redundancy, adherance to standards, usefulness, sensibility, and representation(i.e. a pink polka-dotted B-24 might be historically accurate as one did exist, but it is not representative of B-24s as it is a unique eccentric specimen nor is it useful and would not be a paint scheme that we would use). We'll talk about all of that when we get there.
The real feature here is that each plane can have a selection of skins that a player can use. The ability of a player to make and submit skins for online use is not the feature, it is the mechanism by which the real feature can be usefully implemented(I'm talking from our point of view, it is very much a feature to the skin making enthusiast, but realistically it's probably generous to say that 1 in 100 players fit that description). If we had unlimited art resources, the latter part would be unneccessary. But that is not the case and while we would like to have multiple skins for each plane, our resources are best spent in adding new models and improving existing ones rather than adding more skins. This is the means to facilitate a win-win situation between everyone who wants more skins and those who want to make them.
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Also, regarding the earlier P-40 line of discussion, HTC is more rigorous in applying their criteria to AH2 models than they were to AH1 models, just as they are more rigorous in the accuracy of the models themselves (goodbye Bf109K-4 labeled as a Bf109G-10 to get a 20mm option and Merlin 61 Spitfire F.Mk IX with .50 cals, rockets or up to 1000lbs of bombs).
Neither skin is really appropriate and, in addition, neither is particularly visually interesting.
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I get on Krusty more often then not :)
In this case he's right.
As for the P40 in Baseler's colors. We've come a long way since then with skinning and research here. And for a long time that bird was thought to have flown combat. In fact it became the CO's hack because it had been damaged in combat a couple of times. It's also a P40F with a Merlin. If you want to suggest it be removed from game, that would make perfect sense cause it isn't accurate for a P40E. We've had some others come out for the same reasons over time.
That is not an argument for doing Enola Gay or Bock's Car on the AH B29
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The ego comment is technically coming from another thread.
It's just the the issue that we have "zero" tolerance for non-realistic stuff.
As we can see though, that is not the case. (And not just because of the P40. It is just my favorite skin in the game.)
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Why not pink Spitfires, I mean, F4U's?
:headscratch:
That is not even in the same ball park as what I meant, or what this is about and you know it.
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The muppets are trolling in a civilized forum. They think it's the O'club or the general discussion forum. They'll learn eventually.
Really, where was this?
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Really, where was this?
I was wondering the same thing. Unless it was agent360s comment.
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Krusty...whats with you man?
Your usually pretty tolerable and a good source of information if needed.
But lately seeing you in this thread and some others, its like your Trying to become the dictator of all things skinning/information.
Everything alright with you man?..
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LOL, way to try to spin things Tyrannis... You really don't know what you're talking about.
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LOL, way to try to spin things Tyrannis... You really don't know what you're talking about.
and lately your Ego has really gotten out of hand.
I was asking that in a friendly way, my apologies for wondering if you were ok.
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Read page 2 of this thread. If you had, you wouldn't have felt the need to make me the most convenient target. Nothing ego related. Don't believe everything spammed in a certain Ki-84 thread.
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Read page 2 of this thread. If you had, you wouldn't have felt the need to make me the most convenient target. Nothing ego related. Don't believe everything spammed in a certain Ki-84 thread.
:headscratch:
Whatever you say....
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Krusty... Tyrannis was seeing your posts recently, and noticing that they weren't sounding quite like yourself. Whether they were or they weren't is out of the question. He was concerned, and wanted to see if anything was bugging you or something. He was being polite. Nothing to do with targets,
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Bockscar and Enola Gay were used for other missions... here we are with the rash statements again.
By regular bombs, I'm sure you will defualt to pointy things with a tail, you were meaning high explosive not atom..
"Bockscar was used in several training and practice missions from Tinian, and four combat missions in which it dropped pumpkin bombs on industrial targets in Japan. Bocks crew bombed Niihama and Musashino, and 1st Lt. Don Albury and crew C-15 bombed Toyama."
"The B-29 was delivered to the 393rd Bomb Squadron at Wendover Field, Utah, where aircrews of were engaged in intensive training under a cloak of secrecy. In June, aircraft and crew flew to Tinian Island in the Marianas. From there, "Bockscar," named for its pilot (Bock), flew five bombing missions. On four of these, a 10,000 pound bomb loaded with high explosives was dropped. Nicknamed "pumpkin" bombs because of their shape and orange color, these were the same size and shape as the actual atomic bomb dropped at Nagasaki"
"The Enola Gay arrived on Tinian on 6 July 1945. Prior to flying the first atomic combat mission the Enola Gay flew eight practice missions from Tinian, then two conventional bombing missions over Japan using the 6300 pound "pumpkin" high explosive bomb, designed to simulate the characteristics of the Fat Man bomb. The Enola Gay bombed Kobe on 24 July and Koriyama on 26 July."
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Call it what you want, those were practice missions for the A-bomb drop. Hence the highly specialized stand-in bomb that no other bomber could carry.
These are not conventional bombs and they were not standard loadouts. In fact I don't think these planes could physically CARRY normal bombs anymore. Their bomb bay layout was changed to allow them to carry the atomics.
No way to spin it, these were NOT typical airframes, nor were they regularly used in combat.
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Did HTC say they cannot be used?
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The facts are the 509th flew 64 combat sorties, 12 missions, all at squadron strength, 51 sorties with pumpkin bombs. There were 15 planes not 2 and 7 strikes made on the 14th, 5 days after Nagasaki with more planed .....but the next day...well u know.
Pumpkin Bomb is the same with the Plutonium Atomic Bomb in size and weight. This bomb is filled with large a quantity of high explosive Torpex, 60% RDX, 40% TNT.
(http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hayashi/love/pumpkin.jpg)
So maybe we need "Some Punkins"
(http://www.mphpa.org/classic/COLLECTIONS/CG-HGAL/Images-Opt/CGP-HGAL-010.jpg)
This was the standard loadout for 509th and they were HE bombs just very large.
:cheers:
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The facts are the 509th flew 64 combat sorties, 12 missions, all at squadron strength, 51 sorties with pumpkin bombs. There were 15 planes not 2 and 7 strikes made on the 14th, 5 days after Nagasaki with more planed .....but the next day...well u know.
Pumpkin Bomb is the same with the Plutonium Atomic Bomb in size and weight. This bomb is filled with large a quantity of high explosive Torpex, 60% RDX, 40% TNT.
(http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hayashi/love/pumpkin.jpg)
So maybe we need "Some Punkins"
(http://www.mphpa.org/classic/COLLECTIONS/CG-HGAL/Images-Opt/CGP-HGAL-010.jpg)
This was the standard loadout for 509th and they were HE bombs just very large.
:cheers:
But can you imagine all the code for for dem dar punkin"s? And no Im not making fun, But I can do that cause I live in the south. :neener: :salute
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The facts are the 509th flew 64 combat sorties, 12 missions, all at squadron strength, 51 sorties with pumpkin bombs. There were 15 planes not 2 and 7 strikes made on the 14th, 5 days after Nagasaki with more planed .....but the next day...well u know.
Pumpkin Bomb is the same with the Plutonium Atomic Bomb in size and weight. This bomb is filled with large a quantity of high explosive Torpex, 60% RDX, 40% TNT.
(http://www.ne.jp/asahi/hayashi/love/pumpkin.jpg)
So maybe we need "Some Punkins"
(http://www.mphpa.org/classic/COLLECTIONS/CG-HGAL/Images-Opt/CGP-HGAL-010.jpg)
This was the standard loadout for 509th and they were HE bombs just very large.
:cheers:
Do you have more info on the pumpkin nose art that would make a cool skin. :aok
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Colors
(http://www.mphpa.org/classic/CG/509th-Yearbook/Images-800-1/YB-001_TN.jpg)
It was involved in an accident and the other planes prop got her good
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqJ,!ioE1NQySrR8BNcn90UgHQ~~_3.JPG)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqUOKikE0slSLVEQBNcn+,I4!g~~_3.JPG)
(http://www.mphpa.org/classic/CG/509th-Yearbook/Images-800-2/YB-122.jpg)
All of the 509th had cool art :)
http://www.mphpa.org/classic/CG/509th-Yearbook/Pages-1/509YB_Gallery_01.htm (http://www.mphpa.org/classic/CG/509th-Yearbook/Pages-1/509YB_Gallery_01.htm)
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Colors
(http://www.mphpa.org/classic/CG/509th-Yearbook/Images-800-1/YB-001_TN.jpg)
It was involved in an accident and the other planes prop got her good
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqJ,!ioE1NQySrR8BNcn90UgHQ~~_3.JPG)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqUOKikE0slSLVEQBNcn+,I4!g~~_3.JPG)
(http://www.mphpa.org/classic/CG/509th-Yearbook/Images-800-2/YB-122.jpg)
All of the 509th had cool art :)
http://www.mphpa.org/classic/CG/509th-Yearbook/Pages-1/509YB_Gallery_01.htm (http://www.mphpa.org/classic/CG/509th-Yearbook/Pages-1/509YB_Gallery_01.htm)
Nice find. :aok
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Colors
(http://www.mphpa.org/classic/CG/509th-Yearbook/Images-800-1/YB-001_TN.jpg)
It was involved in an accident and the other planes prop got her good
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqJ,!ioE1NQySrR8BNcn90UgHQ~~_3.JPG)
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqUOKikE0slSLVEQBNcn+,I4!g~~_3.JPG)
(http://www.mphpa.org/classic/CG/509th-Yearbook/Images-800-2/YB-122.jpg)
All of the 509th had cool art :)
http://www.mphpa.org/classic/CG/509th-Yearbook/Pages-1/509YB_Gallery_01.htm (http://www.mphpa.org/classic/CG/509th-Yearbook/Pages-1/509YB_Gallery_01.htm)
Howdy Megalodon, off the top of your head, do you know if that pic listed on Ebay is still for sale? I looked and couldnt find it.
<apologise for the hijack>
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Howdy Megalodon, off the top of your head, do you know if that pic listed on Ebay is still for sale? I looked and couldnt find it.
<apologise for the hijack>
Yes the set of four pictures sold May17, 2011 for $15.00
"Some Punkins" B29 Silverplate, suffered major damage in an mis-hap, and was later transferred to the 428th Air Base Unit at Kirtland AFB in early 1946. Declared surplus, she was burnt in a fire-fighting demonstration.
The 2 remaining pics "SomePunkins"
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/firepunkin.jpg?t=1311442113)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/firepunkin2.jpg?t=1311442166)
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Do you have more info on the pumpkin nose art that would make a cool skin. :aok
Well... I think it would be great skin to have if we get the new pumpkin ordinance, which I doubt highly, along with it otherwise I think the best of the Silverplate skins for the game would be a "Necessary Evil". Besides the name :devil I definitely think the Silverplate B29's deserve to be remembered just as much as any other B29's and it more than passes the criteria. 1 skin wont hurt.
She flew 4 combat missions and 1 of the weather/photo observers on the 6th at Hiroshima.
Silverplate Superfortress B-29-45-MO 44-86291, Victor 91, "Necessary Evil", Assigned to Crew C-14, 393rd Bombardment Squadron (VH), 509th Composite Group
(http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2010/08/456748.jpg)
(http://www.mphpa.org/classic/CG/509th-Yearbook/Images-800-2/YB-135.jpg)
(http://www.mphpa.org/classic/CG/509th-Yearbook/Images-800-1/YB-013_TN.jpg)
"This B-29, Necessary Evil, had been manufactured at the Glenn L. Martin Aircraft Plant at Omaha, Nebraska. It had entered into service with the US Army Air Forces on May 18, 1945, and flown to Wendover Army Air Field, Utah, by its originally assigned crew C-14, with Captain Norman W. Ray, as the aircraft commander, in June 1945. From Wendover, the plane took off for Tinian on June 27. Necessary Evil was originally assigned the victor number 11 but on August 1 had its victor changed to 91 and a Circle-R marking of the 6th bomb group was painted on its tail. Three days before the Hiroshima mission, the bomber was assigned to the 393rd Bomb Squadron, 509th Composite Group, as the original crew C-14 was replaced by the crew B-10, whose commander was Captain George Marquardt.
Aside from the nuclear bombing mission, "Necessary Evil" participated in three conventional combat missions in which it dropped pumpkin bombs on industrial targets in Kobe, Kashiwazaki, and Koriyama, all flown by Capt. Ray and crew C-14. In December 1945 it returned to the United States with the 509th CG to Roswell Army Airfield, New Mexico. It was part of the Operation Crossroads task force from August 1946 until June 1949, when it was transferred to the 97th Bomb Wing at Biggs Air Force Base, Texas.
Necessary Evil was dropped from the Air Force inventory in November 1956. It was transferred to the U.S. Navy and used as a target at the Naval Ordnance Test Station at China Lake, California."
:salute
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Yes the set of four pictures sold May17, 2011 for $15.00
"Some Punkins" B29 Silverplate, suffered major damage in an mis-hap, and was later transferred to the 428th Air Base Unit at Kirtland AFB in early 1946. Declared surplus, she was burnt in a fire-fighting demonstration.
The 2 remaining pics "SomePunkins"
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/firepunkin.jpg?t=1311442113)
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/firepunkin2.jpg?t=1311442166)
ow....
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Bockscar and Enola Gay were used for other missions... here we are with the rash statements again.
By regular bombs, I'm sure you will defualt to pointy things with a tail, you were meaning high explosive not atom..
"Bockscar was used in several training and practice missions from Tinian, and four combat missions in which it dropped pumpkin bombs on industrial targets in Japan. Bocks crew bombed Niihama and Musashino, and 1st Lt. Don Albury and crew C-15 bombed Toyama."
"The B-29 was delivered to the 393rd Bomb Squadron at Wendover Field, Utah, where aircrews of were engaged in intensive training under a cloak of secrecy. In June, aircraft and crew flew to Tinian Island in the Marianas. From there, "Bockscar," named for its pilot (Bock), flew five bombing missions. On four of these, a 10,000 pound bomb loaded with high explosives was dropped. Nicknamed "pumpkin" bombs because of their shape and orange color, these were the same size and shape as the actual atomic bomb dropped at Nagasaki"
"The Enola Gay arrived on Tinian on 6 July 1945. Prior to flying the first atomic combat mission the Enola Gay flew eight practice missions from Tinian, then two conventional bombing missions over Japan using the 6300 pound "pumpkin" high explosive bomb, designed to simulate the characteristics of the Fat Man bomb. The Enola Gay bombed Kobe on 24 July and Koriyama on 26 July."
I'm not too worried about those two bird getting remembered. Fact remains it's not the B29 we have. I don't think HTC has allowed Memphis Belle on a B17G. Do we have a Dam Buster modified Lancaster skinned in game? That would be a similar comparison I suppose since we don't have a modified Lanc to knock down dams.
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I'm not too worried about those two bird getting remembered. Fact remains it's not the B29 we have. I don't think HTC has allowed Memphis Belle on a B17G. Do we have a Dam Buster modified Lancaster skinned in game? That would be a similar comparison I suppose since we don't have a modified Lanc to knock down dams.
I'm not worried about those two either.
Do we have a glass nose B17?
The mods to these 1st 15 B29s were... single-point bomb releases in the front bay and some extra gas tanks in the rear bay and some different instruments. Nothing to the outside and no guns removed.
Do we have dam's in the game?
How many of those were there... 3 dams hit 2 knocked holes in? Bad idea lots of time spent making the bomb spin backwards 500rpm before drop.
The Germans had the dams back up and producing power again in less than a year?
They were the same B29A's were they not? There was only 1 Pullman bomber B-29-5-BW 42-6259 , to acomadate "Thin Man", and even it was changed back to its original configuration.
What model P-51D do we have?
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I'm not worried about those two either.
Do we have a glass nose B17?
The mods to these 1st 15 B29s were... single-point bomb releases in the front bay and some extra gas tanks in the rear bay and some different instruments. Nothing to the outside and no guns removed.
Do we have dam's in the game?
How many of those were there... 3 dams hit 2 knocked holes in? Bad idea lots of time spent making the bomb spin backwards 500rpm before drop.
The Germans had the dams back up and producing power again in less than a year?
They were the same B29A's were they not? There was only 1 Pullman bomber B-29-5-BW 42-6259 , to acomadate "Thin Man", and even it was changed back to its original configuration.
What model P-51D do we have?
Your post included the following "definitely think the Silverplate B29's deserve to be remembered". Hence my remark that I wasn't worried about that.
Not trying to argue. Asking in reference to the 617 Squadron Lanc. I don't know if we have a dam buster skin in game. Haven't had time to check. That would be a decent comparison. My opinion is that there are enough B29 skins out there for the model we have in AH. And for me the Enola Gay and Bock's Car represent atomic bomb drops, and I don't believe we're ever going to get that in AH. In the end the decision isn't up to me.
As for the P51D or the Mustang in general. I suppose if the decision was mine, I'd not have Lou IV skinned on the model we have as it doesn't look right with the fin fillet. I wouldn't have some of the skins of B/C Mustangs on a Malcom hood model as it doesn't look right either. I'd rather have a D-5 and a 'coffin hood' 51B/C for those. The PTO and MTO B/C skins being the best example, or Gentile's "Shangri La". Again the decision isn't mine.
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Your post included the following "definitely think the Silverplate B29's deserve to be remembered". Hence my remark that I wasn't worried about that.
Not trying to argue. Asking in reference to the 617 Squadron Lanc. I don't know if we have a dam buster skin in game. Haven't had time to check. That would be a decent comparison. My opinion is that there are enough B29 skins out there for the model we have in AH. And for me the Enola Gay and Bock's Car represent atomic bomb drops, and I don't believe we're ever going to get that in AH. In the end the decision isn't up to me.
As for the P51D or the Mustang in general. I suppose if the decision was mine, I'd not have Lou IV skinned on the model we have as it doesn't look right with the fin fillet. I wouldn't have some of the skins of B/C Mustangs on a Malcom hood model as it doesn't look right either. I'd rather have a D-5 and a 'coffin hood' 51B/C for those. The PTO and MTO B/C skins being the best example, or Gentile's "Shangri La". Again the decision isn't mine.
Yes but not the post you quoted and as you can see "now" I'm not asking for either of those nor am I asking for a "Nuke" bomb and for buffs that ended the war and flew in squadron strength and dropped many, more than I have reported previously, conventional HE ordinance, should have just as much representation as any other B29.
So..... I guess we should be talking about a new ordinance? possible? When was the last time we got a new ord?
Oh and the 51d .. yes I would have the /5 and the /25or30
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617 did quite a bit more than just the 'Dambusters' mission.
I doubt we have one of their Lanc's as a skin as we have very few options for the Lanc right now due to heavy mirroring and such as it is an AH1 model.
When it gets updated I would say that Lancaster 'special' skins would not be appropriate.
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So..... I guess we should be talking about a new ordinance? possible? When was the last time we got a new ord?
2 things:
What do you mean by "new ords"?
And,
Didn't we just get new ords? The 2000 lb loadouts for the B-17 and 24, and the American 4000 lber? Don't those count?
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2 things:
What do you mean by "new ords"?
And,
Didn't we just get new ords? The 2000 lb loadouts for the B-17 and 24, and the American 4000 lber? Don't those count?
I was refering to the Pumpkin Bomb
Yes .. I guess we did and yes they count.
My Mistake,
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B-24J had the four 2000lber loadout when it was added in AH v2.00.
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My mistake, then. Sorry about that. So it was jsut the new 4000 lber, and the 2000 lb loadout for the 17.
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They redid the artwork for the US 2,000lb bomb as well and when they did that they showed through the bomb bay doors of the B-24 due to size issues. There was a bug fix for that later, so that may be how you got the B-24 in your mind in relation to the 2,000lbers.