Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Grundle1 on July 13, 2011, 09:29:05 PM
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IMHO, these are the only planes we need:
He-111: One of the most distinctive WWII aircraft. A Luftwaffe bomber used everywhere for many roles - 7700 built. Gotta have this one soon (hopes)
Ju-52 : We have to have this charismatic aircraft. The principal Luftwaffe transport - 4800 built (thought it would have been more)...
Pe-2 :More than 11,000 of this very significant aircraft were produced. It was Russia's equivalent of the Mosquito - almost as important as the IL2
Ki-43 :Principal Japanese army fighter in the early war years. According to the infamous Wiki, it shot down more allied aircraft than any other Japanese fighter: Almost 6,000 built
Wellington:11,461 built throughout the war - wiki
-Maybe D 520 for the 8 early war people.
This is my shortlist of planes I'd like to have added just because I'd like to fly them (in order):
SM79
Meteor
J2M Raiden
Me410
Hs129
FW200
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you won't get to many arguments here, the only sort of questionable one is the Condor due to the fact it doesn't really have a role in AH. I would like to add the Beaufighter the list.
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I know a lot of others would like to add the Beaufighter, too; it would be regularly flown in AH.
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I could add a good number of aircraft to the "need" category. The "want" category is subjective to each player.
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Well, I don't think there are more than those five or six super-significant historical aircraft that would see much play. There are plenty of aircraft that would be fun to fly but were used in very small numbers or flew at night - P61, Hs219, nightfighter Ju88, etc.
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I don't think they need to see significant MA use in order to be "needed". We have no Japanese strike aircraft for carriers that weren't introduced in the 1930s. Over 2,000 D4Ys were built as well as significant numbers of B6Ns, both of which are badly needed for Pacific CV scenarios. For more sandboxy AvA settings a decent, mid-war German bomber such as the Ju188 or Do217 is very much needed. The Ju52 you list is only needed for the AvA sandbox settings as it is grossly inferior to the C-47 for the MA and, to the best of my knowledge, no transport aircraft has been used in a structured event. A TB-2 or Il-4 is another needed aircraft to give the Russians an early war bomber. The Beaufighter was used in large numbers in all theaters and is needed for both the AvA sandbox and for structured events. I agree with you that the He111, Pe-2, Ki-43 and Wellington are needed.
The MA also has needs and one can easily include things such as the A-26, Tu-2, J2M, Ki-44 and others as needed for use in the MA without meeting a large historical role criteria.
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to the best of my knowledge, no transport aircraft has been used in a structured event.
They've been used in scenarios such as Niemen but I agree that Ju-52 is a very low priority considering the work horse combat aircraft still missing.
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They've been used in scenarios such as Niemen but I agree that Ju-52 is a very low priority considering the work horse combat aircraft still missing.
May be a low priority but also low development effort as the existing C-47 flight model could be used with the top speed altered.
Who cares how historically accurate a transport functions?
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Sir, your list looks OK to me, but you forgot the Red Airforce, basically the russkis won the war yet AH dont have many russki rides.
La-5 (not the La-5 FN), Lagg-3, Jak-3, Jak-1, Mig-3, and an attack plane like the Tu-2, or Pe-2 as you mentioned. Of course not all of them, but some...
Then should come the german medium bombers, as the ju-188, the late ju-88, maybe the he-111 too, but that would be a worse hanger-queen than the Betty.
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May be a low priority but also low development effort as the existing C-47 flight model could be used with the top speed altered.
Who cares how historically accurate a transport functions?
I'm pretty sure HTC cares.
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Maybe, but how much different would another transport be, or need to be as far as the flight model is concerned?
The only real reason to have it would be for looks and immersion purposes, unless you wanted the mg on it.
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As different as a stuka is to a IL2.
There is no one single thing at all that shares any common ground between a Ju-52 and a C-47, other than the role it might serve in AH gameplay.
HTC doesn't just paste graphics over other planes' flight models. Every FM is tied to the 3D model, all the airflow over different parts of the wing and fuselage are specific to each plane.
You have made a very nonsensical comment in that regard. For any new plane they have to put in the work. They even have a lot of work for remodeled planes (ones with existing FMs).
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Forgive me, I don't have any 3D modeling experience, and don't know how the flight model is determined.
Consider the idea cheerfully withdrawn.
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http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/flight-test-data/149205d1287497420-f6f-5-vs-j2m3-f6f-5-vs-j2m3-b_opt.pdf
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Sir, your list looks OK to me, but you forgot the Red Airforce, basically the russkis won the war yet AH dont have many russki rides.
La-5 (not the La-5 FN), Lagg-3, Jak-3, Jak-1, Mig-3, and an attack plane like the Tu-2, or Pe-2 as you mentioned. Of course not all of them, but some...
Then should come the german medium bombers, as the ju-188, the late ju-88, maybe the he-111 too, but that would be a worse hanger-queen than the Betty.
Red Air Force won the war, wow. Learn something new every day.
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Ignore debrody, I think hes probably drunk as hell to come out with utter BS of that magnitude. IMHO, ruskies woulda been screwed without allied supplys, and aircraft, not to mention the diminishment of German production capacity due to allied bombing raids, and the men and supplys that the Afrikan, Italian, and Western fronts drew from the total german resource pool.
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The Russians paid the lion's share of the price of victory and faced the majority of the German forces. Without the US and UK they likely would have lost, but I certainly have to say that the Russians were the most important of the big three allied nations in the west. The USA was obviously the most important in the Pacific.
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*sigh*
sorry im not drunk.
20 million soviet soldiers died during the war... how many american or british? I never said the Red Air Force won the war, i said, basically the russkies did.
you think the 8th airforce tracked Germany, with its 2000 or so bombers, destroying Dresden? i "think" the soviets did it with 10 000s of Jaks, Ils, Las, t-34s, millions of soldiers. On the front.
nope, im not russian. Not American either.
but im the nationalist, right?
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Arguing who did what could last a long time as it has in the past. But I think the main point Debrody was trying to make was that Aces High already has comprehensive planesets for western ETO. Same cannot be said about the Eastern front planeset from the Soviet side. And that's not up for an argument, that's a fact.
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See Rule #4
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*sigh*
sorry im not drunk.
20 million soviet soldiers died during the war... how many american or british? I never said the Red Air Force won the war, i said, basically the russkies did.
you think the 8th airforce tracked Germany, with its 2000 or so bombers, destroying Dresden? i "think" the soviets did it with 10 000s of Jaks, Ils, Las, t-34s, millions of soldiers. On the front.
nope, im not russian. Not American either.
but im the nationalist, right?
millions of soviet soldiers died because of their leaders stupidity. they would be sent to attack to the last man just to keep pressure on the germans those who would come back alive would be shot. the soviets shot almost every single russian pow that they liberated from the germans, logic being they should have died fighting and to surrender was showing cowardice. see the begining of "enemy at the gates" that's how it was for the russian soldier. they had two choices to die by german bullets or by soviet bullets. many civilians also died because of their leader's refusal to allow civilians to leave cities under siege.
semp
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millions of soviet soldiers died because of their leaders stupidity. they would be sent to attack to the last man just to keep pressure on the germans those who would come back alive would be shot. the soviets shot almost every single russian pow that they liberated from the germans, logic being they should have died fighting and to surrender was showing cowardice. see the begining of "enemy at the gates" that's how it was for the russian soldier. they had two choices to die by german bullets or by soviet bullets. many civilians also died because of their leader's refusal to allow civilians to leave cities under siege.
its sad but true.
Just checked: 300 000 american, 250 000 british and 200 000 french soldiers died. Its also very sad, but nothing compared to the russians losses even tho we know how stupid and pointless the soviet leadership was.
Btw Maker got it on the head.
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millions of soviet soldiers died because of their leaders stupidity. they would be sent to attack to the last man just to keep pressure on the germans those who would come back alive would be shot. the soviets shot almost every single russian pow that they liberated from the germans, logic being they should have died fighting and to surrender was showing cowardice. see the begining of "enemy at the gates" that's how it was for the russian soldier. they had two choices to die by german bullets or by soviet bullets. many civilians also died because of their leader's refusal to allow civilians to leave cities under siege.
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Soviet losses were not only due to their leaders stupidity though. You cannot hand wave away the Soviet efforts like that.
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What percentage of German forces were tasked with keeping Russian forces at bay compared to western forces after D-Day?
It's not an accurate measure, but it gives a general level of what they thought their priorities should be at the time.
I think that despite the hugely wasteful losses incurred by the Soviets, they still undertook the majority of the fighting in the ETO. For them manpower was a relatively cheap resource.
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Your opinion, may not be humble, but it certainly is Noted Sir!
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What percentage of German forces were tasked with keeping Russian forces at bay compared to western forces after D-Day?
It's not an accurate measure, but it gives a general level of what they thought their priorities should be at the time.
I think that despite the hugely wasteful losses incurred by the Soviets, they still undertook the majority of the fighting in the ETO. For them manpower was a relatively cheap resource.
While the Eastern Front still had the majority of troops, and equipment, theres no denying that the resource drain from fighting the western allies was still sizable.
And sorry Eskimo, I just fly (flew?) with debrody, and I'm just giving him crap.
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You're new here. I suggest shutting up, keeping to yourself, and learning from others.
Especially from Tyrannis, olds442, and Penguin. Strive to never be like any one of them, and you will be fine.
Pay special attention to Widewing, Lusche, Stoney, and the trainers.
Things to be aware of : Sarcasm, Krusty's BS, crabs, and silat.
Yes tank, listen to him, and never become like us.
Otherwise you get little narcissistic ankle-humpers like eskimo here that love to criticize everything you say while sitting cozy behind a keyboard.
;)
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Alright, I'm confused as hell. Is Eskimo one of those ankle humpers that frequent channel 200? or is he a lesser version of MINNoWAR, constantly telling you how you need to do better?
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Alright, I'm confused as hell. Is Eskimo one of those ankle humpers that frequent channel 200? or is he a lesser version of MINNoWAR, constantly telling you how you need to do better?
Never seen him on 200, but if you say/do something in a way HE feels it shouldn't be said/done, he'll criticize you right off the bat for it. He acts like he is the supreme judge of what should/shouldn't be said. Reason why i call him a narcissist. Just go read any of Penguins Topics he's been in. Or the p51 collides with Skyraider topic, that he derailed then attempted to blame it on me. :rolleyes:
and yea, in a way, he will tell you how you "need to be better" he pretty much already has.
Chances are he'l derail this thread even more once he reads this, then attempt to blame it on me too.
Just dont let the intardnet Ego's get to you tank, and you'l do fine :aok everyone pretends to be tough while sitting behind the safety of a screen.
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lol, alright. Thanks tyrannis :lol.
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zomg a perfect example how to turn a wish thread to a flame fest in one page...
plz never try it again, Jager. Thanks.
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wow, from where I'm sitting, I had nothing to do with it past my initial comment, which you already talked to me about.
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Alright, I'm confused as hell. Is Eskimo one of those ankle humpers that frequent channel 200? or is he a lesser version of MINNoWAR, constantly telling you how you need to do better?
I have never tuned 200 and I am not one who humps ankles.
If you wish to believe Tyrannis, the 11 year old laughing stock of these boards, that is your
decision and opinion and I respect that.
But do try to take my advice before you make a fool out of yourself here. I have the slightest
amount of hope for you here, unlike Tyrannis, who blew his chance within his first three posts.
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I have never tuned 200 and I am not one who humps ankles.
If you wish to believe Tyrannis, the 11 year old laughing stock of these boards, that is your
decision and opinion and I respect that.
But do try to take my advice before you make a fool out of yourself here. I have the slightest
amount of hope for you here, unlike Tyrannis, who blew his chance within his first three posts.
Did i not say he'd prob respond and derail this thread a little more?
Funny thing is, in another thread he said he had "hooked" me for responding to his blind-shots.
so i guess because he's responded to me that means ive hooked him and now he's the complete idiot of the entire board like he said applies to me, right? :headscratch:
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At this point I'm neutral. While I do see your point, he helped me with something I thought was a bug.
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Thanks for hijacking my thread! It's ok, actually it got more interesting. I'd say that most of the critical defeats suffered by Germany were inflicted by the Russians over a period of years starting with Stalingrad, the battle befor Moscow, Kursk, etc. The Russians were engaged in ground fighting with the Germans for three years prior to D-Day. Of course they were largely responsible for the defeat of Germany. No question in my mind. That's not to diminish the other allies. Just look at where the Germans' best divisions and squadrons were located for most of the war. Not Alabama, that's for sure...