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Title: New air combat movie
Post by: jimson on July 14, 2011, 09:50:53 PM
George Lucas?

Gotta be better than the one with Lawrence Fishburn and the Huxtable Cosby kid.

http://collider.com/first-images-red-tails-george-lucas-produced-wwii-film/25315/
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: USRanger on July 14, 2011, 10:13:36 PM
Awesome! :aok
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: M0nkey_Man on July 14, 2011, 10:20:30 PM
Hmm, ive never seen a movie about the Tuskegee Airmen. (unless you count Hart's War which has a little). Hope its good :cheers:
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Guppy35 on July 14, 2011, 11:28:24 PM
I don't have high hopes.  It's been on again, off again for a while.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: jimson on July 14, 2011, 11:40:45 PM
I don't have high hopes.  It's been on again, off again for a while.

I know, started in 2009

Supposedly out Jan 2012
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Karnak on July 14, 2011, 11:44:53 PM
I don't have high hopes.  It's been on again, off again for a while.
Based on those shots it looks more "on" than "off".
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: oakranger on July 14, 2011, 11:48:45 PM
Hope it is good and see a lot of German AC too. 
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: jimson on July 15, 2011, 12:08:07 AM
Hmm, ive never seen a movie about the Tuskegee Airmen. (unless you count Hart's War which has a little). Hope its good :cheers:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tuskegee_Airmen

Didn't find it to be very impressive YMMV
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: SIK1 on July 15, 2011, 12:09:27 AM
Hmm, ive never seen a movie about the Tuskegee Airmen. (unless you count Hart's War which has a little). Hope its good :cheers:

Really? There's this one movie called, oddly enough, "The Tuskegee Airmen"
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff266/Radcam/tuskegee-airmen-DVDcover.jpg)
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: M0nkey_Man on July 15, 2011, 12:15:53 AM
i feel so left out lol. Im gonna have to find that and watch it
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: AAJagerX on July 15, 2011, 12:50:29 AM
i feel so left out lol. Im gonna have to find that and watch it

Awesome movie.  You won't be disappointed.   :aok
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Tyrannis on July 15, 2011, 01:50:22 AM
is it just me, or does that "p40" look like 2 diff airplanes? the front of a p40 with a p51B's tail stuck on it?  :headscratch:
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Rob52240 on July 15, 2011, 02:11:54 AM
Think it'll be as good as Iron Eagle?
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Scherf on July 15, 2011, 02:17:22 AM
I have on my hard drive somewhere  a link to (brief) info about the Tuskeegee Airmen providing escort to Mossies over Southern Germany in the latter part of the war. IIRC one of the units they likely covered was 60 Squadron of the South African Air Force, which in some ways may be the ultimate irony.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Reschke on July 15, 2011, 02:55:12 PM
I find it extremely funny that they couldn't or wouldn't use TUSKEGEE National Park to film any of the training portions of the movie; if they had any to film.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: AWwrgwy on July 15, 2011, 08:06:05 PM
is it just me, or does that "p40" look like 2 diff airplanes? the front of a p40 with a p51B's tail stuck on it?  :headscratch:

Uncross your eyes.

(http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/Red_Tails_movie_image-4.jpg)

P-51 and P-40.

Otherwise, it's just you.


wrongway
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: FiLtH on July 15, 2011, 11:26:35 PM
"All right Tuskeegee..lets get em!"

"Meesa come killem!"


(other cast members groan)
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Guppy35 on July 16, 2011, 12:31:25 AM
My 2 year old is African American.  Just put up a framed print of a Tuskegee P51C in his room this morning with him making the sign for flying while I was doing it. (He's deaf).  It goes well with the Red Tail Mustang hanging from the ceiling.  I would really like this film to be worthwhile, but with all the stops and starts, and that it's Hollywood, makes me pessimistic.

It makes me shake my head sometimes when I think that my two sons couldn't have flown together back then.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Slash27 on July 16, 2011, 12:42:45 AM
I hope it's good but Lucas makes me nervous. Hopefully his buddy Stephen gave him some good ideas.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: morfiend on July 16, 2011, 12:43:00 AM
I have on my hard drive somewhere  a link to (brief) info about the Tuskeegee Airmen providing escort to Mossies over Southern Germany in the latter part of the war. IIRC one of the units they likely covered was 60 Squadron of the South African Air Force, which in some ways may be the ultimate irony.


 Wow never heard that before,great stuff Scherf,so right you are!


  Guppy...... :salute








      :salute
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Devil 505 on July 16, 2011, 06:38:03 PM
I think I will see it regardless if its good or not for two reasons.
1. If a financial sucess, avation films will be seen as good investment for film studios. More airplane movies = good.
2. Lucas has always had an eye for how a flying aircraft thould look in flight. I expect at the very least a rival of Top Gun for greatist flying sequences in a film.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Scherf on July 16, 2011, 07:34:01 PM

 Wow never heard that before,great stuff Scherf,so right you are!


The Tuskeegees seem to have escorted PR Mossies to Munich on a number of occasions, according to:

http://www.afhso.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-101222-041.pdf

The article I was thinking of seems to have been removed from the net, but I saved the relevant part, interview with Leon Spears::

Q: Please relate your first combat encounter with enemy aircraft.

Spears: I had an air combat encounter in Kitten when my flight of about five aircraft escorted a... I believe it was a British Mosquito reconnaissance plane over a target area. He led us while we kept him in sight. We escorted him to the Munich area to this German ball bearing factory. As soon as he started his photo run, we backed off a little so he could do his work. He had to fly straight and level. The Mosquito was a very fast plane. When we came back from the target area he just out ran us. We could not keep up with him because of his speed. We heard him say on the radio "Ta, ta, chaps!" and just keep on going past us. As we started after him we noticed a He-l 11 bomber turning our direction. Well, we turned into him. When he saw us turning, I could see little specks coming out the bottom of the bomber, which meant he was firing his hand-held machine guns. He did not hit us. I think he waited too long to fire because we were just right on top of him. By the time he made his turn we started to fire on him. We keep firing and I could see pieces coming off and then smoke and fire would come out and then the plane went in toward the ground sideways. Both me and James Mitchell destroyed this aircraft and shared the victory.



I can't find the reference to the He 111 in the other link.

Also some good work on Tuskeegee victory claims here, though again I can't tie up the He 111 encounter:

http://www.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-070207-059.pdf

He 111 or no, if the Tuskeegees were flying into southern Germany / Austria from Italy, there's only two Mossie PR units for them to have escorted, 60 SAAF and 680 Sqn. However, the latter tended to cover points further east over Greece, the Adriatic, Yugoslavia etc. Unfortunately, the last time I corresponded with a fellow who knew, the squadron records for 60 SAAF for the latter part of the war couldn't be found, so I can't directly tie up any dates. Seems a fair bet however that the Tuskeegees escorted aircraft of the South African Air Force.

 :salute also to Guppy.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: GFShill on July 17, 2011, 10:28:37 PM
is it just me, or does that "p40" look like 2 diff airplanes? the front of a p40 with a p51B's tail stuck on it?  :headscratch:

They both look ok to me.

The bigger question is, when are they going to do a WW2 air combat movie without Marines and/or Tuskeegee airmen?  Poor Dick Bong. Poor, poor Dick Bong.  Hollywood has forgotten ya.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: jimson on July 17, 2011, 10:52:03 PM
I really hope it's a big success.

So many stories waiting to be retold, a remake of The Flying Tigers, a feature film about The Blacksheep squadron.

It's actually kind of surprising how the WW2 airwar has been neglected by modern Hollywood.

Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Guppy35 on July 17, 2011, 11:33:44 PM
I really hope it's a big success.

So many stories waiting to be retold, a remake of The Flying Tigers, a feature film about The Blacksheep squadron.

It's actually kind of surprising how the WW2 airwar has been neglected by modern Hollywood.



Considering how butchered VMF-214 got by the TV show, I'd imagine no one would go near it.  You are also talking about making money, and how much of an audience there would be.

I to hope the film works as these guys deserve to have it told without any Hollywood melodrama or rewriting of the history.  I got this photo in the mail yesterday to go with the Red Tail Mustang print on my little guy's wall.  A classic fighter pilot.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/RedTail.jpg)
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: jimson on July 18, 2011, 09:06:24 AM
Considering how butchered VMF-214 got by the TV show, I'd imagine no one would go near it.  You are also talking about making money, and how much of an audience there would be.

It's been a long enough time since the TV show that few remember it.

With the technology available today, they could likely make pretty convincing flying scenes (we are 20 years past Memphis Belle!)

Add a few teenage heart throbs, maybe some actors from the insipid Twilight series to bring in the younger crowd.

I think the genre could be revisited quite successfully.





Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Guppy35 on July 18, 2011, 05:59:40 PM
It's been a long enough time since the TV show that few remember it.

With the technology available today, they could likely make pretty convincing flying scenes (we are 20 years past Memphis Belle!)

Add a few teenage heart throbs, maybe some actors from the insipid Twilight series to bring in the younger crowd.

I think the genre could be revisited quite successfully.

And the history destroyed with all the stuff you mentioned.  You ever talk to any 8th AF bomber crew about "Memphis Belle"?  I remember talking to some 91st BG vets.  That's the bomb group the real Belle flew with.  That movie made them cringe. Not in a good way.  Without looking, what do you know about the real Belle and her last mission? :)

How bout Pearl Harbor or U-571 speaking of destroyed history.








Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: bozon on July 19, 2011, 02:18:14 AM
...
The Mosquito was a very fast plane. When we came back from the target area he just out ran us. We could not keep up with him because of his speed. We heard him say on the radio "Ta, ta, chaps!" and just keep on going past us.
...
lol, thanks for the links too.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: jimson on July 19, 2011, 02:59:31 AM
Of course I would prefer a movie to be one that the veterans could get behind and be proud of.

"You ever talk to any 8th AF bomber crew about "Memphis Belle"?  I remember talking to some 91st BG vets."

I did more than that, I spoke to one of the actual crew members of the Memphis Belle who was at the premier promoting the film.

However, this was 21 years ago and I don't remember his name or exactly what he said.

As far as the last mission of the Memphis Belle, without looking, I seem to remember reading that it was actually fairly uneventful, unlike the movie.

To an extent, creative liberties will always be taken, as a feature film has to be different than a documentary.

As long as it isn't too outlandish and captures the general spirit, it still exposes non purists to the heroism of the men involved.

If it is more palatable to you, I wouldn't mind a fictional story line about a fictional unit that is big budget with awesome special effects just so that we can get more people interested in a unique time in American history where the greatest generation gave their greatest effort.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Shifty on July 19, 2011, 05:49:13 AM
With the technology available today, they could likely make pretty convincing flying scenes (we are 20 years past Memphis Belle!)
Add a few teenage heart throbs, maybe some actors from the insipid Twilight series to bring in the younger crowd.

No teenage heart throbs no fediddlein teenage type drama. If you do that we''ll end up with another version of this.

(http://fxpaper.fatalsystem.com/images/wallpapers/movie/pearl-harbor/pearl_harbor_5.jpg)

Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: EskimoJoe on July 19, 2011, 05:56:39 AM
No teenage heart throbs no fediddlein teenage type drama. If you do that we''ll end up with another version of this.

(http://fxpaper.fatalsystem.com/images/wallpapers/movie/pearl-harbor/pearl_harbor_5.jpg)



I find myself in agreement here. Bring in a fresh group of actors, no hollywood bigshots.

Get some young guys together, guys that have a passion for aviation and history, and would
like to act and recreate and honor these men. No bigshots, just some guys who want to do this.

Think of the cast of Flight 91 (IIRC, it's been awhile...) - their weren't any bigshots there from
what I remember, and it was a truly inspiring, touching, even heartbreaking movie.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: F22RaptorDude on July 19, 2011, 06:23:47 AM
No teenage heart throbs no fediddlein teenage type drama. If you do that we''ll end up with another version of this.

(http://fxpaper.fatalsystem.com/images/wallpapers/movie/pearl-harbor/pearl_harbor_5.jpg)


I actually liked that movie, the action and the romance parts, write me off as a noob but I have a wide taste in movies, I also enjoyed Titanic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxqU_WH8Cd0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxqU_WH8Cd0)Best scene in pearl harbor
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: oboe on July 19, 2011, 06:54:28 AM
I'll put up with a lot to see WWII fighters on the big screen.  And Kate Beckinsale is pretty easy on the eyes.
   
There are so many WWII air combat stories to be told though-- I wish they would branch out and cover some new territory rather than doing remakes.

I'd like to see Pvt Ryan quality film of the 8th Air Force Schweinfurt raid, or the Cactus Air Force struggles on Guadalcanal,  or the ace race in the Pacific between Bong, McGuire, and Kearby.   

I'll definitely go support this film if it gets released though.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Tyrannis on July 19, 2011, 07:21:22 AM
I always wished that maybe starz or HBO would to a series on the airmen of ww2 (similier to band of brothers)

Could maybe follow 2 brothers? one that becomes a bomber pilot in the 8th. (possibly 91st?) And the other becomes a fighter pilot.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: jimson on July 19, 2011, 08:26:37 AM
No teenage heart throbs no fediddlein teenage type drama.

LOL, well your'e gonna need actors from that age group, so at least get some popular ones, but yeah make it an action/drama film and not a romance.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Reaper90 on July 19, 2011, 09:03:41 AM
I'll put up with a lot to see WWII fighters on the big screen.  And Kate Beckinsale is pretty easy on the eyes.

WINNAR WINNAR CHICKEN DINNAR!!!!

As much as Pearl Harbor made me want to punch babies and stomp kittens, you're right..... I'd even tolerate Rosie O'Donnell co-starring if Kate has a leading role.

Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: SmokinLoon on July 19, 2011, 09:12:15 AM
WINNAR WINNAR CHICKEN DINNAR!!!!

As much as Pearl Harbor made me want to punch babies and stomp kittens, you're right..... I'd even tolerate Rosie O'Donnell co-starring if Kate has a leading role.



That would be the equivalent of puking rotten Mexican 1 minute then have an O the next.  Not a good tradeoff.  Just keep Rosie O'Donnell out of the picture period.     
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: F22RaptorDude on July 19, 2011, 09:19:52 AM
 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Reaper90 on July 19, 2011, 09:51:16 AM
Best WWII air combat movie made yet, Fo Sho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS1ozeyaFN4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS1ozeyaFN4)

 :D
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Tyrannis on July 19, 2011, 09:57:34 AM
Best WWII air combat movie made yet, Fo Sho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS1ozeyaFN4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS1ozeyaFN4)

 :D
Boondocks!  :rofl
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Bruv119 on July 19, 2011, 12:51:52 PM
Best WWII air combat movie made yet, Fo Sho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS1ozeyaFN4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS1ozeyaFN4)

 :D

 :rofl  :rofl  

I think this video sums up Aces High very nicely.   Is that AH 0.5 graphics model?  

"you couldn't hit the ground with a turd"    this also reflects the average AHers hit %   :D
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: bozon on July 19, 2011, 01:25:33 PM
Best WWII aviation movie is actually a mini-series called "piece of cake":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R7pDoBSrKg&feature=related

This is a forgotten gem.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Guppy35 on July 19, 2011, 01:54:33 PM
Of course I would prefer a movie to be one that the veterans could get behind and be proud of.

"You ever talk to any 8th AF bomber crew about "Memphis Belle"?  I remember talking to some 91st BG vets."

I did more than that, I spoke to one of the actual crew members of the Memphis Belle who was at the premier promoting the film.

However, this was 21 years ago and I don't remember his name or exactly what he said.

As far as the last mission of the Memphis Belle, without looking, I seem to remember reading that it was actually fairly uneventful, unlike the movie.

To an extent, creative liberties will always be taken, as a feature film has to be different than a documentary.

As long as it isn't too outlandish and captures the general spirit, it still exposes non purists to the heroism of the men involved.

If it is more palatable to you, I wouldn't mind a fictional story line about a fictional unit that is big budget with awesome special effects just so that we can get more people interested in a unique time in American history where the greatest generation gave their greatest effort.

Best bet would probably be a remake of "Twelve O'Clock High".  Maybe tell it a bit closer to the actual book.  "Serenade to the Big Bird" would be a good book to base a movie off of too.  Much more of a story that while based in WW2 would tie into the present day world wonderfully. 
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: jimson on July 19, 2011, 02:07:48 PM
Best bet would probably be a remake of "Twelve O'Clock High".  Maybe tell it a bit closer to the actual book.  "Serenade to the Big Bird" would be a good book to base a movie off of too.  Much more of a story that while based in WW2 would tie into the present day world wonderfully. 

Excellent choice.

I recently saw that classic.

Would love to see it remade with todays special effects technology.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Grayeagle on July 20, 2011, 12:35:32 PM
'Black Thursday' ..ohh yaa .. would be an excellent movie (Schweinfurt Raid in October of '43)

Any story of a fighter pilot .. Preddy, Hartmann, ..heck even a movie of Rudel and his Stuka would rock.

-GE aka Frank
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Pigslilspaz on July 21, 2011, 05:17:20 AM
A movie version of the book "Aces"
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: jimson on July 22, 2011, 02:27:33 PM
The worst thing about the old classic air combat movies, (besides the overacting and corny dialog) is the lack of credibility.

Clips of Spitfires in a move about a P-40 squadron, the Hollywood Zero (T6 Texan with meatballs)

With Digital technology, they can basically put the real aircraft in nowadays and have it look very convincing.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Grayeagle on July 22, 2011, 03:22:21 PM
Aye jimson .. they can do camera angles and effects that you would not be able to do with 'real' planes ..put you right into the action.

With Avatar tech, they can *have* Erich Hartmann in his 109G doin what he did.. or Marseille, or Johnson .. etc.

So many great stories to tell.

-Frank aka GE
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: cpxxx on July 22, 2011, 04:41:34 PM
Quote
Clips of Spitfires in a move about a P-40 squadron, the Hollywood Zero (T6 Texan with meatballs)
Possibly the worst I've ever seen in a movie was of RAF pilots dashing to board 109s(actually Spanish Buchons painted as British). Bad enough but once airborne when inevitably they had turned into unrealistic models. The unrealistic Luftwaffe models appeared and they were Spitfires :O painted in German markings. It was utterly hilarious. Can't think of the name of the film but it was British (who really should have known better!)and black and white.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Guppy35 on July 23, 2011, 02:03:29 AM
Possibly the worst I've ever seen in a movie was of RAF pilots dashing to board 109s(actually Spanish Buchons painted as British). Bad enough but once airborne when inevitably they had turned into unrealistic models. The unrealistic Luftwaffe models appeared and they were Spitfires :O painted in German markings. It was utterly hilarious. Can't think of the name of the film but it was British (who really should have known better!)and black and white.

Try Fighter Squadron, about a Jug Squadron.  It was made using wartime combat film from the MTO, but was supposed to be an ETO story.  They had Air National Guard Jugs so that was cool, but the '109s' were Air National Guard P51Ds painted in German markings.

That was tough to buy :)
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Brooke on July 25, 2011, 08:41:11 PM
Considering how butchered VMF-214 got by the TV show,

Say what you will, but I *loved* that series when I was a kid. :)  I still have very fond memories of it.  :aok
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Brooke on July 25, 2011, 08:44:07 PM
I always wished that maybe starz or HBO would to a series on the airmen of ww2 (similier to band of brothers)

Could maybe follow 2 brothers? one that becomes a bomber pilot in the 8th. (possibly 91st?) And the other becomes a fighter pilot.


Not sure if it was mentioned already in this topic, but there is the miniseries Piece of Cake, about pilots in Battle of Britain.  I like it a lot.

Edit:  I see it was mentioned already.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Brooke on July 25, 2011, 09:06:57 PM
OK, guys.  Favorite WWII-aviation-related movies or series?

For me:

Midway (one of my favorite movies of all time, despite inaccuracies folks can cite)
30 Seconds Over Tokyo
Piece of Cake
Twelve O'Clock High
Battle of Britain
The Blue Max (not WWII, but I just have to put it in here)
Grave of the Fireflies (not a perfect fit for the category, but sort of, and awesome -- and very, very sad)

I hear that the following are good, but haven't seen them yet:

Dark Blue World
The Dam Busters (yes, I know I should have seen this by now)
633 Squadron
Task Force
Dive Bomber
I Wanted Wings
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Guppy35 on July 25, 2011, 09:47:38 PM
The only air combat movie I can watch multiple times is a wartime pic called "Air Force".  It's so over the top it's enjoyable.  The B17D Mary Ann flies into Hawaii just as Pearl Harbor is attacked.  Then she's off to the Philippines with a quick stop at Wake Island on the way.  On her first mission in the Philippines she's shot up so bad that the crew bails except for the wounded pilot, and the bitter pilot wash out, gunner who somehow bellies the 17 in.  The wreck is moved off to the side but the crew won't let her die and repair her while the bullets are flying.  They then get up just as the Japanese are overrunning the field and head for Australia.  They managed to find a Japanese task force on the way, call in the cavalry and bomb it to oblivion.

Great early B17 film, all shot with B17Bs at a training field in Florida, with a fair amount of P39s showing up too.

An old 50s film called "Angels One Five" is pretty good too, made with borrowed Portuguese Hurricanes.  Good old P/O Septic fighting the Battle of Britain til his demise.

Other then that I think most of the good aviation war films are the 50s carrier based films with the F9Fs "Bridges at Toko Ri" comes to mind, and some of the Air Force based F86 movies like "The Hunters".  "Battle Hymm" about Dean Hess and the RoK F51Ds and the Korean orphans is a good one too. 
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Brooke on July 26, 2011, 11:58:19 AM
The only air combat movie I can watch multiple times is a wartime pic called "Air Force".  It's so over the top it's enjoyable.  The B17D Mary Ann flies into Hawaii just as Pearl Harbor is attacked.  Then she's off to the Philippines with a quick stop at Wake Island on the way.  On her first mission in the Philippines she's shot up so bad that the crew bails except for the wounded pilot, and the bitter pilot wash out, gunner who somehow bellies the 17 in.  The wreck is moved off to the side but the crew won't let her die and repair her while the bullets are flying.  They then get up just as the Japanese are overrunning the field and head for Australia.  They managed to find a Japanese task force on the way, call in the cavalry and bomb it to oblivion.Other then that I think most of the good aviation war films are the 50s carrier based films with the F9Fs "Bridges at Toko Ri" comes to mind, and some of the Air Force based F86 movies like "The Hunters".  "Battle Hymm" about Dean Hess and the RoK F51Ds and the Korean orphans is a good one too. 

That sounds awesome!  I will definitely put that and the others you mention on my list of movies to watch.  :aok
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: cactuskooler on July 26, 2011, 12:45:52 PM
Try Fighter Squadron, about a Jug Squadron.  It was made using wartime combat film from the MTO, but was supposed to be an ETO story.  They had Air National Guard Jugs so that was cool, but the '109s' were Air National Guard P51Ds painted in German markings.

That was tough to buy :)

Saw that for the first time about a month ago. I was too mesmerized by all those beautiful P-47s to notice anything else - like their aversion to drop their belly tanks.

Liked the scene in the beginning where our ex-Flying Tiger hero is hiding his wounded Jug under the wing of the B-17 to avoid the Bf 51s. Then he barely makes back to base, belly lands her in, jumps out as if he crashes a plane every day of the week, and asks the tax payers for another one! :rofl Reminds me of somebody. ;)
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Guppy35 on July 26, 2011, 08:52:26 PM
Saw that for the first time about a month ago. I was too mesmerized by all those beautiful P-47s to notice anything else - like their aversion to drop their belly tanks.

Liked the scene in the beginning where our ex-Flying Tiger hero is hiding his wounded Jug under the wing of the B-17 to avoid the Bf 51s. Then he barely makes back to base, belly lands her in, jumps out as if he crashes a plane every day of the week, and asks the tax payers for another one! :rofl Reminds me of somebody. ;)

Noted in the 405th FG history I've been reading, was one pilot who used up seven P47s during the course of his tour due to damage in combat :)

Remember I own stock in Cyber Lockheed.  I have to keep production up to improve profits!
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: jimson on July 27, 2011, 07:07:48 AM
As far as Pearl Harbor is concerned, ya gotta admit that the first few minutes of this clip is about as good a air combat scene you will see on film.

I don't know how much is computer generated, but it beats the heck out of ridiculous substitute planes standing in for the enemy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6mPEuBverI
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: des506 on July 27, 2011, 07:23:21 AM
i tot you'd never ask

pathfinders
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onvv41zEpHc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onvv41zEpHc)

The red baron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er--DLaG7SM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er--DLaG7SM)

Tuskegee airmen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er--DLaG7SM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er--DLaG7SM)

Memphis belle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14raZmLIyaM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14raZmLIyaM)

Black sheep squadron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14raZmLIyaM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14raZmLIyaM)

For those we love ( this move is real close to my heart)
http://youtu.be/UVlZizY_ubw (http://youtu.be/UVlZizY_ubw)
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: F22RaptorDude on July 27, 2011, 07:41:49 AM
As far as Pearl Harbor is concerned, ya gotta admit that the first few minutes of this clip is about as good a air combat scene you will see on film.

I don't know how much is computer generated, but it beats the heck out of ridiculous substitute planes standing in for the enemy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6mPEuBverI
Its weird how he can shoot down a 109 easy breaking of wings and such and all a 109 can do to him is explode his fuel tank and send him crashing very slowly.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: des506 on July 27, 2011, 07:45:17 AM
Its weird how he can shoot down a 109 easy breaking of wings and such and all a 109 can do to him is explode his fuel tank and send him crashing very slowly.

hey man...COS its ben affleck here aight!!

 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

 no matter how many times i watch that film... the only thing i remember is how slutty that girl was.... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

they really need to remake another pearl harbour...

seriously... the pearl harbour senario in AH is way more exiciting than watching this.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: ozrocker on July 27, 2011, 08:34:10 AM
One not televised to often "Mosquito Squadron" starred David MacCallum about a Canadian Squadron
in WW2 on a somewhat suicidal Mission.



                                                                                                             :cheers: Oz
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Tyrannis on July 27, 2011, 08:39:51 AM
Its weird how he can shoot down a 109 easy breaking of wings and such and all a 109 can do to him is explode his fuel tank and send him crashing very slowly.
Happens in AH all the time....

For all we know that 109 could of been out of 20mm ammo, and simply shooting with the bb's, 2 7.9mms shooting from the nose of a 109 straight to the body of a spit are too weak to rip any major pieces off without extended firing time, but strong enough to ignite the fuel tank if they hit in the right spot. So that scene isent as unbelievable as you think it is..
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: F22RaptorDude on July 27, 2011, 09:17:37 AM
hey man...COS its ben affleck here aight!!

 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

 no matter how many times i watch that film... the only thing i remember is how slutty that girl was.... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

they really need to remake another pearl harbour...

seriously... the pearl harbour senario in AH is way more exiciting than watching this.
I know right, I mean who goes and does his best friends girl?!  :rofl :rofl :rofl Then thinks when he finds out he's alive that he will take it lightly.

Happens in AH all the time....

For all we know that 109 could of been out of 20mm ammo, and simply shooting with the bb's, 2 7.9mms shooting from the nose of a 109 straight to the body of a spit are too weak to rip any major pieces off without extended firing time, but strong enough to ignite the fuel tank if they hit in the right spot. So that scene isent as unbelievable as you think it is..
Well of course it had to be more dramatic cause a movie star was in the seat. :lol
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: des506 on July 27, 2011, 10:32:46 AM
I know right, I mean who goes and does his best friends girl?!  :rofl :rofl :rofl Then thinks when he finds out he's alive that he will take it lightly.
Well of course it had to be more dramatic cause a movie star was in the seat. :lol

 seriously its almost as painful to watch as titantic( i slept through the whole movie, Gf had to constantly wake me up).... :rofl :rofl

Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: des506 on July 27, 2011, 10:38:14 AM
One not televised to often "Mosquito Squadron" starred David MacCallum about a Canadian Squadron
in WW2 on a somewhat suicidal Mission.



                                                                                                             :cheers: Oz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb9k9CNCHo8&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb9k9CNCHo8&feature=related) here's the link, its almost like watching 633 squadron but in colour... :rofl
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Tyrannis on October 28, 2011, 01:36:07 PM
A bit worried right now.

On their FB page they released a pic of a Nazi pilot. In the background is a crashed 109 on the runway, with crews trying to put out the fire.

Sadly tho, in the far right, in Nazi colors and markings, is what looks like a TBM Devastator.
 :uhoh
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Dichotomy on October 28, 2011, 01:49:14 PM
I know right, I mean who goes and does his best friends girl?! 

hmmm Kate Beckinsale and I think he's dead? And it's several months later? I'm in

:rofl :rofl :rofl Then thinks when he finds out he's alive that he will take it lightly.

Tough cookies dude  :devil

I'm not always as nice as I seem.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: xbrit on October 28, 2011, 06:12:36 PM
My all time favorite,
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x132/xbrit58/pic.jpg)

The Douglas Bader story.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Guppy35 on October 28, 2011, 11:28:27 PM
My all time favorite,
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x132/xbrit58/pic.jpg)

The Douglas Bader story.

Not as good as:

(http://www.spitcrazy.com/43vid306.jpg)

Good old Septic.  So sad to hear him on the radio towards the end.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Karnak on October 28, 2011, 11:50:07 PM
'Black Thursday' ..ohh yaa .. would be an excellent movie (Schweinfurt Raid in October of '43)

Any story of a fighter pilot .. Preddy, Hartmann, ..heck even a movie of Rudel and his Stuka would rock.

-GE aka Frank
Sorry, but as much as I like WWII aviation, I would boycott a movie about Rudel.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: wil3ur on October 29, 2011, 10:13:41 AM
Think it'll be as good as Iron Eagle?

You stole my post!  :furious

 :x
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: lunatic1 on October 29, 2011, 02:50:31 PM
I have on my hard drive somewhere  a link to (brief) info about the Tuskeegee Airmen providing escort to Mossies over Southern Germany in the latter part of the war. IIRC one of the units they likely covered was 60 Squadron of the South African Air Force, which in some ways may be the ultimate irony.
they escorted b-17's mainly
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: lunatic1 on October 29, 2011, 03:02:46 PM
a perfect example of never tryin to give a ene pilot a brake or letting your guard down.he or she will shoot u in the prettythang every time.
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: pervert on October 29, 2011, 03:04:58 PM
See theres a trailer out for this now,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yCEMkJ0YF8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yCEMkJ0YF8)

How many people sign up for Aces High after watching this hoping to do the fantasy move in a p51 at 1:16 and then realise its best to just run away from 109s  :rofl
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Dichotomy on October 29, 2011, 03:53:05 PM
Ya know perv.. Pearl Harbor, as bad as it was, woke up a long suppressed interest in WWII aviation in me and I stumbled into AH soon after that.  So, regardless of if Red Tails turns out to be good or bad, if it brings people to the game and some of them stick and start learning not only how to play but the real history that's not a bad thing is it?

Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Ack-Ack on October 30, 2011, 04:21:39 PM
Poor Dick Bong. Poor, poor Dick Bong.  Hollywood has forgotten ya.

If Bong and McGuire were in the ETO, Hollywood would have built statues on Hollywood Blvd for them.

ack-ack
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Ack-Ack on October 30, 2011, 04:25:12 PM
Best WWII aviation movie is actually a mini-series called "piece of cake":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R7pDoBSrKg&feature=related

This is a forgotten gem.

I didn't really enjoy the mini-series, maybe it was because I had read the book prior and the mini-series took too many liberties, like chucking the Hurricanes in favor of the Spitfire.

ack-ack
Title: Re: New air combat movie
Post by: Guppy35 on October 30, 2011, 05:31:46 PM
I didn't really enjoy the mini-series, maybe it was because I had read the book prior and the mini-series took too many liberties, like chucking the Hurricanes in favor of the Spitfire.

ack-ack

Agreed.  Didn't do much for me.  Seems like they ought to take another crack at it now that there are more flyable Hurri's.  There was a lot of debate about whether or not Derek Robinson essentially just novelized Paul Richey's WW2 book "Fighter Pilot" that covered 1 Squadron and their Hurricanes in France.  Having read both, I can see where folks might think that.  Either way it would be a good one for a remake.