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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: jarbo on July 16, 2011, 04:28:36 PM
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Nothing is more awesome than to climb to 26k to enage a set of B17s to have them just bail after the bomb run.
Make proxy range at least 6.0. To discourage the bomb and bauilers.
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Nothing is more awesome than to climb to 26k to enage a set of B17s to have them just bail after the bomb run.
Make proxy range at least 6.0. To discourage the bomb and bauilers.
How will that discourage the Bomb and Bailer, he dies either way? Or at least fails to "land" his bombing points
What you are really saying is to encourage bomber chasers increase the proxy range so you have better chance of a "kill" if he bails.
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How will that discourage the Bomb and Bailer, he dies either way? Or at least fails to "land" his bombing points
What you are really saying is to encourage bomber chasers increase the proxy range so you have better chance of a "kill" if he bails.
It blocks the bomber's ability to not award kills, which I think is a stronger motive than you give it credit.
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It blocks the bomber's ability to not award kills, which I think is a stronger motive than you give it credit.
I dare say you may be right. - Hopefully, it only applies to a minority. I see it myself now and then, but didn't think it warranted treating the majority for the sake of a few gamers. Personally I would not want to spend all the time climbing to 26K+, then to bail rather than try to shoot down a struggling fighter for an even better score and satisfaction. Most of the bombers I climb to give a good account of shooting back at me. If they bail it is frustrating, but you should not let it get to you.
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Despicable conduct.
Are their bombers that do this?
Disgusting to say the least.
Same guys I guess that also dive bomb with level bombers?
Firing squad...not tomorrow....today...
<--- Bomber pilot who rarely if ever drives a fighter...
These guys give real bomber pilots a bad image..
Oneway
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had it been a fighter who dives to the ground to get away. wouldn't be questioned. just think of it as the same thing as a fighter who runs away. you wouldnt expect a kill just because you climbed to 25k.
as for the proxies you do know they don't coutn towards rank right? so it doesn't matter. on their end if they bail or die it is the same thing for their score. so you are crying over nothing :rofl.
semp
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Nothing is more awesome than to climb to 26k to enage a set of B17s to have them just bail after the bomb run.
Make proxy range at least 6.0. To discourage the bomb and bauilers.
+1
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How will that discourage the Bomb and Bailer, he dies either way? Or at least fails to "land" his bombing points
What you are really saying is to encourage bomber chasers increase the proxy range so you have better chance of a "kill" if he bails.
All proxy kills on buffs should award legitimate kills IMO. You spend 15mins climbing to 30k, htc should say "hell, you did the work, you get the perks"
Had that same crap happen to me today, yesterday, or whatever, it was on Saturday. Flying high escort for a resup goon mission of OddCAF's and hes loitering, just kinda circling around. AS SOON as the icon diplays 2.5k, the tard bails.
EDIT: better idea, take 3x the perks you would have earned from killing those buffs, subtract that ammount from all 3 perk categorys of the bomber pilot, and give all of them to you as fighter perks.
The slogan could be: "you bomb and bail, you get yer worthless tarding carcass pwned"
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had it been a fighter who dives to the ground to get away. wouldn't be questioned. just think of it as the same thing as a fighter who runs away. you wouldnt expect a kill just because you climbed to 25k.
as for the proxies you do know they don't coutn towards rank right? so it doesn't matter. on their end if they bail or die it is the same thing for their score. so you are crying over nothing :rofl.
semp
Had it been a fighter who dove away, many would have followed it, with a bailing buff tard you don't have that chance. I think any tard that bails from a good plane that can fly and fight the whole sortie shouldn't count for anything but 3 deaths. No points awarded, no perks, nothing but 3 sorties and 3 deaths. Let them pay for the waste of time by wasting their time of the same flight.
Again, this falls back on that "honor" and "class" and "gamesmanship" some of us old timers talk about.
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It blocks the bomber's ability to not award kills, which I think is a stronger motive than you give it credit.
yup
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My experiences at every single other multiplayer air combat sim tell me that people will go to great lengths to deny a kill to the person who shot them down.
In other sims, you have guys who will fall 29k down in thier wingless buff to drop a bomb right before hitting the ground which denys the kill to the person who removed said wings with thier guns.
These same guys will also run to enemy ack after receiving damage from your guns to deny kill (which gets awarded to the ack).
Aces High has done away with this exploit but it is a double edged sword such as when puffy ack blows off a wing on your fighter at 37k feet and the kill gets awarded to a guy rolling takeoff from the deck of the cv below.
Both methods are frustrating but Aces High's method is far less exploitable by the griefers.
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All proxy kills on buffs should award legitimate kills IMO. You spend 15mins climbing to 30k, htc should say "hell, you did the work, you get the perks"
You might not get perks, but the kills are scored as any other when it comes to K/D ratio etc. for the ranking system. So in that respect, they are already as legitimate as any other kills.
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2 things:
1) I think the bailer should be awarded a death
- i think most bailer's do it for score, once they hit friendly territory
2) I think the closest NME pilot should get kills.
They still would have the option of running; just would be harder
The perk pts or not to awd perk pts, i dont care so much
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had it been a fighter who dives to the ground to get away. wouldn't be questioned. just think of it as the same thing as a fighter who runs away. you wouldnt expect a kill just because you climbed to 25k.
as for the proxies you do know they don't coutn towards rank right? so it doesn't matter. on their end if they bail or die it is the same thing for their score. so you are crying over nothing :rofl.
semp
I have never seen a fighter do that. In addition, should a fighter do it, the player in position to get a kill didn't spend 10 minutes climbing to altitude to engage.
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2 things:
1) I think the bailer should be awarded a death
- i think most bailer's do it for score, once they hit friendly territory
Bailing is being counted as "death" for score purposes. If score is a concern, you try to stay alive at all costs. It's two reasons why some players bomb'n'bail on a regular base: One is to deny the other player a kill, but most of the time it's simply to reduce turnaround time and to fly more sorties in a given time - drop bombs on town or hangars and get another set of Lancs back in the air before the defenders can say "cucumber"...
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Bailing is being counted as "death" for score purposes. If score is a concern, you try to stay alive at all costs. It's two reasons why some players bomb'n'bail on a regular base: One is to deny the other player a kill, but most of the time it's simply to reduce turnaround time and to fly more sorties in a given time - drop bombs on town or hangars and get another set of Lancs back in the air before the defenders can say "cucumber"...
I have had bombers bail on me after I climbed to intercept on several occasions, both before and after they dropped their bombs. In the cases where it was after they dropped their bombs it was always well after the bombs had hit, so I can only assume they had intended to land the bombers until they decided I had gotten too close.
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The only issue here is that the bailer is denying you the chance to shoot him down, nothing more or less. So for the few that do so, and lets face it, it just a gamer that takes that attitude. Is it really necessary to change the way the game is set up? Personally I don't think so, but it did make me think about it.
The alternative is that you will encourage others to fly out of range of a bomber in the hope that the poor sucker who attacks it on it's own will do some critical damage and get shot down, only for the hang about fighter to "steal" the kills. We used to get kill stealling before the way kills got awarded was changed and yet I still see this often, a "dead" fighter floating down minus its tail and everyone below trying to "kill" it.
There are plenty of people who will exploit the weakness's in the game to spoil the game play, so all that can be done is to get the right balance.
Solving one problem and creating a another perhaps bigger one is not the way to do it.
A penalty to the bailer with nothing to attackers is the only way I can think of that does not seem to create another problem. So getting absolutely no points for bailing from undamaged aircraft may help, but it won't stop the spoilers.
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The only issue here is that the bailer is denying you the chance to shoot him down, nothing more or less. So for the few that do so, and lets face it, it just a gamer that takes that attitude. Is it really necessary to change the way the game is set up? Personally I don't think so, but it did make me think about it.
The alternative is that you will encourage others to fly out of range of a bomber in the hope that the poor sucker who attacks it on it's own will do some critical damage and get shot down, only for the hang about fighter to "steal" the kills. We used to get kill stealling before the way kills got awarded was changed and yet I still see this often, a "dead" fighter floating down minus its tail and everyone below trying to "kill" it.
There are plenty of people who will exploit the weakness's in the game to spoil the game play, so all that can be done is to get the right balance.
Solving one problem and creating a another perhaps bigger one is not the way to do it.
A penalty to the bailer with nothing to attackers is the only way I can think of that does not seem to create another problem. So getting absolutely no points for bailing from undamaged aircraft may help, but it won't stop the spoilers.
in that case the fighter that takes his time to get alt and set up his merges on buffs is denying the buff a kill. so if a fighter takes longer than let's say 1 min to attack it automatically counts as a kill for the buff. same for the fighter that dives kills just one buff and runs away. it denies the buff driver a kill. so to make it fair if a buff driver bails out he gets no point. if a fighter doesnt kill all 3 buffs in 2 min or he dicides to not engage then he gets no points either.
semp
semp
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in that case the fighter that takes his time to get alt and set up his merges on buffs is denying the buff a kill. so if a fighter takes longer than let's say 1 min to attack it automatically counts as a kill for the buff. same for the fighter that dives kills just one buff and runs away. it denies the buff driver a kill. so to make it fair if a buff driver bails out he gets no point. if a fighter doesnt kill all 3 buffs in 2 min or he dicides to not engage then he gets no points either.
semp
semp
Sounds a load of nonsense to me :rofl
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Sorry guys, but that is stupid. If the bomber stays in his planes he might win, he might lose, the fighter and the bomber get to, you know, do the PvP thing and fight. If the bomber bails from planes with no damage it is a clear bid to avoid any combat and any chance of winning.
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If we are talking about score..... The fighter score.... The fighter pilot spends 23 minutes climbing, pursuing, getting to a strike vector. ( Kills per hour of flight/per sortie ) If we were talking about score that is.
Bailing is being counted as "death" for score purposes. If score is a concern, you try to stay alive at all costs. It's two reasons why some players bomb'n'bail on a regular base: One is to deny the other player a kill, but most of the time it's simply to reduce turnaround time and to fly more sorties in a given time - drop bombs on town or hangars and get another set of Lancs back in the air before the defenders can say "cucumber"...
I'm personally more a fan of the perks.... I crash 262's enough to need those darn fighter perks and I get very frustrated with this game when I spent 20-25 minutes going after Lancs just to have them bail.
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YEAH!!! What he says!!! :aok
Sorry guys, but that is stupid. If the bomber stays in his planes he might win, he might lose, the fighter and the bomber get to, you know, do the PvP thing and fight. If the bomber bails from planes with no damage it is a clear bid to avoid any combat and any chance of winning.
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I've had at least 14 me163s up after the con over thier HQ, find a fighter instead of a bomber, make a couple of passes, and then run away across the strats or HQ (or both) and bail or ditch once they are out of icon range.
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Appreciate the dailogue, thus far. I am not seeing any strong objections to increasing the air proxy kill range from 3.0 to 6.0 in the context that it "ruins the game" in some unexpected fashion. What I don't know if its a config thing or a hard coded thing.
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you guys do know that proxies don't count towards score. on the buffs side it counts as a death.
semp
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you guys do know that proxies don't count towards score. on the buffs side it counts as a death.
semp
You might not get perks, but the kills are scored as any other when it comes to K/D ratio etc. for the ranking system. So in that respect, they are already as legitimate as any other kills.
It's an effort issue. You took the effort, and TIME, to pursue and just as you get in icon range, the buffs you've been chasing for 15 minutes bail out.
Your reward for the time you've spent? NADA.
I don't climb after buffs any more. That's a + for the buffs. No opposition.
wrongway
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You guys also realize that the game is not presently constructed to stratify Proxy range based on ride type?
If you up it for bombers you up it for the whole pie
Chance that HiTech will add proxy range stratification by ride type = 0%
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By the way...
Manuever Kill Range is 6000 and NOT 3000 in the LWMA as suggested in the OP, which happens to be coincidental with Enemy Icon Range. If the plane is in icon range and he bails you get the kill (providing you have the preponderance of damage if any is shared with other pilots within the same sphere range)
HiTech himself posted this:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,291383.msg3708929.html#msg3708929
Oneway
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By the way...
Manuever Kill Range is 6000 and NOT 3000 in the LWMA as suggested in the OP, which happens to be coincidental with Enemy Icon Range.
Oneway
No, it is not coincidental with Enemy Icon Range:
ManuverKillRange=6000.000000
EnemyIconRange=18000
FriendlyIconRange=18000
And those distances are given in feet.
So your enemy can be well withing icon range yet do not give you a proxy when he bails.
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It's 2k actually. :salute
By the way...
Manuever Kill Range is 6000 and NOT 3000 in the LWMA as suggested in the OP, which happens to be coincidental with Enemy Icon Range. If the plane is in icon range and he bails you get the kill (providing you have the preponderance of damage if any is shared with other pilots within the same sphere range)
HiTech himself posted this:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,291383.msg3708929.html#msg3708929
Oneway