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Title: New LVTA4
Post by: Pigslilspaz on July 25, 2011, 04:37:12 PM
(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/228914_258201864206915_199438643416571_1045073_6160135_n.jpg)
Beat the homepage to it.

Looks great, did not expect this to get a reboot soon at all personally. I don't think much anyone did.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Tyrannis on July 25, 2011, 04:39:32 PM
(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/228914_258201864206915_199438643416571_1045073_6160135_n.jpg)
Beat the homepage to it.

Looks great, did not expect this to get a reboot soon at all personally. I don't think much anyone did.
Didnt beat facebook tho  :neener:
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: MK-84 on July 25, 2011, 04:39:51 PM
Wow tons of new stuff comming Yippee!!!! :x
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Rich52 on July 25, 2011, 04:40:15 PM
Thats a lovely skin. :aok
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Pigslilspaz on July 25, 2011, 04:41:40 PM
Didnt beat facebook tho  :neener:
Beat me by only 30 seconds, not bad in my book.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: BoilerDown on July 25, 2011, 04:41:43 PM
I would wish for a Yak remodel but I'm afraid they'd take away the lovely views. ;)
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: shermanjr on July 25, 2011, 05:09:26 PM
be nice to have a few ap round with that thing......
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: waystin2 on July 25, 2011, 05:10:28 PM
Very purty! :aok
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Karnak on July 25, 2011, 05:10:34 PM
be nice to have a few ap round with that thing......
Why?  Muzzle velocity wouldn't pierce anything.

More importantly, as a howitzer I doubt it even had AP rounds as an option.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: LThunderpocket on July 25, 2011, 05:19:12 PM
damn,another re model.I'd like to see the M-18 and a German heavy fighter or bomber be added
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Tank-Ace on July 25, 2011, 05:20:01 PM
AP rounds were available. As you said, they sucked, but they were available.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: shermanjr on July 25, 2011, 05:25:50 PM
im sure they r alot better the the he against tanks
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Tank-Ace on July 25, 2011, 05:29:21 PM
They'd probably be somewhere halfway between the M8's 37mm and the Hurricane IID.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Wildcat1 on July 25, 2011, 05:39:05 PM
im sure they r alot better the the he against tanks

since the gun on the lvt is a 75mm pack-howitzer, designed for close-in artillery support and not direct anti-tank use, so no AP available. great for taking out towns though.

damn,another re model.I'd like to see the M-18 and a German heavy fighter or bomber be added

in my professional opinion, HTC needs to remodel all the current planes/vehicles before adding more late war craft
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Bruv119 on July 25, 2011, 05:43:25 PM
I would wish for a Yak remodel but I'm afraid they'd take away the lovely views. ;)


you know what boilerdown,  I think I can just make out the Yak-3 profile behind those trees.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: StokesAk on July 25, 2011, 05:47:14 PM
huh, i though the A4 was already remodeled! WOOO!
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Karnak on July 25, 2011, 05:50:53 PM
Panzer IV needs a remodel as well, but we are now nearing the end of the vehicle remodels.  Just the Panzer IV H, M8, M16 and the other LVT.  The only one of those that does not share lots of artwork with GVs that have already been remodeled is the M8.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: AWwrgwy on July 25, 2011, 06:31:44 PM
I would wish for a Yak remodel but I'm afraid they'd take away the lovely views. ;)


My thoughts (fears) exactly.



wrongway
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: LLogann on July 25, 2011, 06:51:50 PM
I can find no data to support your claim.  Only things to shoot out of this 75mm M3 was the M89 Smoke & M48 H.E. rounds.   :uhoh

AP rounds were available. As you said, they sucked, but they were available.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: E25280 on July 25, 2011, 07:35:01 PM
I can find no data to support your claim.  Only things to shoot out of this 75mm M3 was the M89 Smoke & M48 H.E. rounds.   :uhoh

Towed and airborne versions of the 75mm howitzer in Europe had HEAT rounds for use against armor.

But since the LVTs were primarily used in the Pacific where enemy armor was not generally much of a threat, I don't know if issuing HEAT rounds to the LVTs would be appropriate.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Tank-Ace on July 25, 2011, 08:14:54 PM
oh, thats probably what I was thinking of
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Yeager on July 25, 2011, 08:32:22 PM
Beautiful and a big WTG on that LVT4!  There is no doubt about it: AH has some of the best looking "skins" for tanks and other vehicles going in any MMO right now.  Hopefully they can get rid of the modified flight model for GVs they have been using since day one and create something a bit more believable.

Also, some sort of new terrain that actually gives the sense of ground as you drive over it and through objects would definitely be a big plus for me.

Anyway, looks great!
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Ack-Ack on July 25, 2011, 08:44:24 PM
Why?  Muzzle velocity wouldn't pierce anything.

More importantly, as a howitzer I doubt it even had AP rounds as an option.

since the gun on the lvt is a 75mm pack-howitzer, designed for close-in artillery support and not direct anti-tank use, so no AP available. great for taking out towns though.

Towed and airborne versions of the 75mm howitzer in Europe had HEAT rounds for use against armor.

But since the LVTs were primarily used in the Pacific where enemy armor was not generally much of a threat, I don't know if issuing HEAT rounds to the LVTs would be appropriate.

LVT4s were supplied with AP rounds in the Pacific.  The problem is that some are equating using AP rounds against other armored vehicles but in the Pacific, the LVT4s were primarily used to support ground troops along with the Sherman tanks.  Like the Shermans, the LVT4s were used to take out reinforced enemy positions, like reinforced bunkers where the AP round was able to penetrate through the feet of concrete and steel.  However, there were some occasions where the LVT4s did fire on Japanese armored vehicles using AP rounds but the primary use was to take out hardened targets.

The mounting of the turret on the LVT4 also allowed it to be used in the direct fire role.

AP rounds were available. As you said, they sucked, but they were available.

Whoever said they sucked doesn't know what they were talking about.  LVT4s firing AP rounds were very effective in taking out Japanese strong points as exampled in battle such as Peleliu, Saipan, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa and a myriad of other island battles for the Pacific.

I can find no data to support your claim.  Only things to shoot out of this 75mm M3 was the M89 Smoke & M48 H.E. rounds.   :uhoh


One source would be "Brotherhood of Heroes" by Bill Sloan. 

ack-ack
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: MK-84 on July 25, 2011, 10:10:09 PM
Japanese tanks had very thin armor right?  if we had AP for the lvt would it even be effective vs our tank lineup?
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: SmokinLoon on July 26, 2011, 12:59:21 AM
Japanese tanks had very thin armor right?  if we had AP for the lvt would it even be effective vs our tank lineup?

No.  Remember the ammo the 75mm gun fired on the LVT-4 is the exact same ammo fired in the M4/75mm.  With an even shorter barrel (producing even less velocity), the AP ability of said round would be even less. 

Even vs "soft" armored targets such as the M3, M8, SdKfz 251, jeep, etc, the HE round performs even better.  With HE, a hit isnt needed to disable it. The splash damage is usually enough to blow tires, disable turrets, damage engines, or outright destroy it. 
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: RTHolmes on July 26, 2011, 05:59:09 AM
No.  Remember the ammo the 75mm gun fired on the LVT-4 is the exact same ammo fired in the M4/75mm.  With an even shorter barrel (producing even less velocity), the AP ability of said round would be even less.

muzzle velocity isnt such an issue for HEAT (shaped charge) rounds.


Quote from: wikipedia
HEAT M66 Shell penetrated about 91 mm of homogeneous armor at 0 degrees at any range.


if they were issued in small numbers in either theatre, then how about a few with the HEs as an option like the T34 HVAPs :aok


edit: some smoke rounds would be nice too :)
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Volron on July 26, 2011, 06:20:00 AM
Go, Baby, Go!

So place your bets...what will be next to be remodeled?

Panzer
C.202
M16
B-26
LVTA2
Yak 9T
M8
Yak 9U
B5N
Ju-88
Ju-87
Lancaster
Ki-67

And I KNOW I'm forgetting a plane or two... :rolleyes:  But I'm certain that someone will post what else is in dire need of remodel. :aok

With the M16, why did they not have the quad 50's as an option when the M3 came out?  Was it that much different vs the M3?  I'm curious if it had a different engine/armor/speed...  Though I'm thinking it's a coading thing, I may be wrong. :headscratch:  Help?
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Tilt on July 26, 2011, 06:52:21 AM
I would wish for a Yak remodel but I'm afraid they'd take away the lovely views. ;)


Yak3 should improve the forward views................
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: SmokinLoon on July 26, 2011, 08:01:35 AM
Go, Baby, Go!

So place your bets...what will be next to be remodeled?

Panzer
C.202
M16
B-26
LVTA2
Yak 9T
M8
Yak 9U
B5N
Ju-88
Ju-87
Lancaster
Ki-67

And I KNOW I'm forgetting a plane or two... :rolleyes:  But I'm certain that someone will post what else is in dire need of remodel. :aok

With the M16, why did they not have the quad 50's as an option when the M3 came out?  Was it that much different vs the M3?  I'm curious if it had a different engine/armor/speed...  Though I'm thinking it's a coading thing, I may be wrong. :headscratch:  Help?

Logic would lean towards the Panzer IV H due to the volume in which it is used.  I hope it gets a remodel and that the update gives it the due it has coming.  For some reason, I feel as if it takes a back seat to the M4A3/76mm, and it shouldn't in any way shape or form, aside from some small armor differences. 
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: ImADot on July 26, 2011, 08:50:43 AM
damn,another re model.I'd like to see the M-18 and a German heavy fighter or bomber be added

I'd rather see current models updated to current standards before new stuff is added.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: SmokinLoon on July 26, 2011, 08:56:53 AM
I'd rather see current models updated to current standards before new stuff is added.

It is 6 one way and a half dozen the other, really.  I just hope HTC is able to capitalize on having "less" modeling to do on gv's (no interior on tanks) and crank out more updated and additions.  So far, it appears as if that is the case.  HTC has done some very good things the past few weeks and months in "updating and adding" category of AH.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Tyrannis on July 26, 2011, 11:07:48 AM
New lvt2 aswell.


(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/223965_258543304172771_199438643416571_1046714_1974288_n.jpg)
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: MK-84 on July 26, 2011, 11:09:39 AM
New lvt2 aswell.


(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/223965_258543304172771_199438643416571_1046714_1974288_n.jpg)

that seems to have an additional gun... :noid
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Yeager on July 26, 2011, 12:01:21 PM
that seems to have an additional gun... :noid
I think the driver would be very nervous with that layout.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Pigslilspaz on July 26, 2011, 12:01:34 PM
I'm putting my bet that the next is going to be the P-40B and maybe another P-40 variant, making the home page. Makes sense since we had the King/Tiger and LVTA4/2

Or a Short Stirling  :noid
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Pigslilspaz on July 26, 2011, 12:02:21 PM
I think the driver would be very nervous with that layout.

I can see it now. "Drive faster or else!"  :D
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Westy on July 26, 2011, 12:27:33 PM
Looks great!

But I want new rules too. If I spawn in an LVT then only LVT's
or jeeps should be able to kill me.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Volron on July 26, 2011, 12:55:30 PM
I'm putting my bet that the next is going to be the P-40B and maybe another P-40 variant, making the home page. Makes sense since we had the King/Tiger and LVTA4/2

Or a Short Stirling  :noid

 :bhead :bhead :bhead

Of ALL planes I forget to put in the list... P-40B

 :rofl :rofl :rofl :bhead
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: SmokinLoon on July 26, 2011, 02:27:35 PM
Where are these photos coming from? I have AH and HTC on FB, but nothing is showing there for me.   
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Tyrannis on July 26, 2011, 02:45:55 PM
Where are these photos coming from? I have AH and HTC on FB, but nothing is showing there for me.   
we're spies, obviously.
 :noid
-Que bond theme-
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: 10thmd on July 26, 2011, 02:50:24 PM
you know what boilerdown,  I think I can just make out the Yak-3 profile behind those trees.

Nope there's a Pnzr4 hiding behind that tin can.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Tank-Ace on July 26, 2011, 03:44:00 PM
Doesn't the 190A5 need remodeling? I have a crappy screen and I sometimes have a hard time telling the new graphics model from the old.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: crazyivan on July 26, 2011, 04:59:22 PM
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f385/xxREXxx_01/223965_258543304172771_199438643416571_1046714_1974288_n.jpg)


Ahhhh. there's the LVT2 another .30 ? pew pew
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Tank-Ace on July 26, 2011, 05:00:16 PM
Ivan, thats "tickle, tickle, tickle".
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: 10thmd on July 26, 2011, 06:09:27 PM
that seems to have an additional gun... :noid


The LVTa2 always had 2 30cals.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: RTHolmes on July 26, 2011, 06:17:09 PM
nope, it had/has 1x .50 over the cabin, 1x .30 on the LHS. its a PITA to defend against strafers - turning in circles :bhead
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: SmokinLoon on July 26, 2011, 06:39:59 PM
One thing for sure is that adding the .30 cal to the starboard side on the updated LVT-2 model should not constitute a purse fight "just because".

I've seen photos of the LVT-2 and the 30 cal MG mounting three ways (0, 1, or 2 .30 cals), but the thing that remains constant is the the .50 cal over the cabin.   
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: RTHolmes on July 26, 2011, 06:58:58 PM
since the 10 troops aboard are under some bizarre ROE where they arent allowed to return small arms fire on aircraft strafing them, the RHS .30 makes sense :aok
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: des506 on July 26, 2011, 07:52:45 PM
did they amend the speed so that its faster then my grandma with a walking stick? :old:
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: SmokinLoon on July 26, 2011, 07:57:44 PM
did they amend the speed so that its faster then my grandma with a walking stick? :old:


I'm not sure the speeds on the current model are wrong.  Actually, grandma and her walker might be faster.   :D
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: des506 on July 26, 2011, 08:07:07 PM
I'm not sure the speeds on the current model are wrong.  Actually, grandma and her walker might be faster.   :D

 :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

a 5 km/h increase in an LVT is immediately felt...
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Pigslilspaz on July 26, 2011, 08:33:30 PM
Doesn't the 190A5 need remodeling? I have a crappy screen and I sometimes have a hard time telling the new graphics model from the old.

Simple check. Does it have moving throttle and rudder pedals in the cockpit? If so, it's up to date.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: SmokinLoon on July 26, 2011, 08:44:59 PM
Simple check. Does it have moving throttle and rudder pedals in the cockpit? If so, it's up to date.

On that note, who knows if there are 2 or 3 levels of updating?  Surely, the graphics on the F6F and Typhoon (and a whole host of others) are better than the aircraft HTC put out in 2007, and the aircraft that came out in 2007 is far better than the 1st generation (P40B) game start up.  Perhaps a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation of graphics quality?  Just curious.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Karnak on July 26, 2011, 09:11:09 PM
On that note, who knows if there are 2 or 3 levels of updating?  Surely, the graphics on the F6F and Typhoon (and a whole host of others) are better than the aircraft HTC put out in 2007, and the aircraft that came out in 2007 is far better than the 1st generation (P40B) game start up.  Perhaps a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation of graphics quality?  Just curious.

Technically, there are two levels.  That said, there is a large difference between the Ki-84/B-24 and the Mosquito/A6M5.

Spitfires were redone once in AH1, so technically we're on our third Spitfire 3D model.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Tank-Ace on July 26, 2011, 10:48:45 PM
IDK, it might be my graphics settings, but the 190 just doesn't seem as...... there, physicly, as newest additions like the new A6M's.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Karnak on July 26, 2011, 11:23:24 PM
IDK, it might be my graphics settings, but the 190 just doesn't seem as...... there, physicly, as newest additions like the new A6M's.
That is because they aren't.  They, like the Bf109s, Spitfires, P-51s, P-47s, P-38s, B-24 and Ki-84 are AH2 standard models.  That are, in general, markedly better than AH1 models, but the newest models are noticeably superior.
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Mitsu. on July 27, 2011, 03:19:38 AM
Please please remodel Ki-61 and add Ki-61-I early version! :)
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Tilt on July 27, 2011, 11:44:11 AM
Yak is still level 1 from 2000/2001? over 10 years old?
Title: Re: New LVTA4
Post by: Krusty on July 27, 2011, 11:57:27 AM
There were 3 real generations of graphics updates. AH1 level (P-40Bs etc), the second level (call it AH2 but it precedes this) where we had previous 109Gs, P-51s, etc. (These were updated to a higher standard but still not what we have now), then the 3rd new generation with updated cockpits, improved 3D shapes, etc. This is what we see now.

The Fw190s are part of this third generation. They look much better than their previous incarnation, by FAR!

I have some issues with the shape given to them (it isn't correct in the fuselage cross section) but the quality of the shape isn't bad.

The one thing to note, however, is that with graphical improvements introduced around the time the B-25 came out, we are also seeing newer looking "damage" (shredded flaps, ailerons, elevators, rudders, instead of "missing" them entirely) and higher level of detail in what can be damaged (shooting gear doors off a B-25, but not the gear itself).

The 3rd generation graphics are evolving with every new plane, getting a little better each time, but make no mistake, everything after the Ki-84/B-24/T-34 is what I consider "3rd Gen" graphics.