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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Raphael on August 07, 2011, 02:10:53 AM
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People just don't read the text, they call you stupid, make you mad and wont read the text so my wish is that we could map more comands then just check six calls:
Yes sir
No sir
Target down
Target sighted
aaand etc...
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I don't get what I'm looking at here. I assume that there was some voice communication that would have added context?
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my wish is that we could map comands and responses like we do on the check six, we could have more ideas here in this thread... my ideas for now are basically YES, NO, ENEMY DOWN, ENEMY SPOTTED. and not only check six, got it? i got mad at this situation and it actually gave me this random idea
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Ok, Im gonna let this one slide because you are obviously new to AH. Only people that up from the SAME field can read the purple RANGE TEXT. Sooooo, unless you took off from the vehicle base that I spawned from, which you didnt, I cannot see your text. Most people say hmmmmm, maybe I should type it on country (green aka country channel) because we obviously did not up from the same base and therefore he cannot see what I am typing. And I find it funny that you squelched me cuz I told you to buy a mic. Most people hardly pay much attention to the text buffer buddy so buying a mic is probably a good idea. Thank and have a nice day
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hahah as for the last guy who posted there... i was on an airplane... but on a gv base... it is possible, i upped in an airfield and went to the v base
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oh then there is another wish rigth there! :D make it so range channel goes to range people, but together with the voice command wishes. i have a mic, but i know im not the only one who can't use it all the time
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I don't get what I'm looking at here. I assume that there was some voice communication that would have added context?
Yes, I have a mic and asked repeatedly where the damn tank was...as I posted, apparently he doesnt get the whole same field range text. I am offended he tried to squelch me though. Well, not really, I could care less : )
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ok the pic was just to show up one case... and not to be the base of the discussion so ill take it off so we could get to the wish.
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Scotty - I don't think you get what he is trying to say.
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I do...was tired, frustrated with normal crap. Why I deleted m original post that flamed him for bein new lol. I do agree that the system needs to be updated/tweaked whathaveyou lol.
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oh then there is another wish rigth there! :D make it so range channel goes to range people, but together with the voice command wishes. i have a mic, but i know im not the only one who can't use it all the time
And there are many who can't use speakers all the time. If your trying to type out info and people don't see it or don't pay attention to it, then they most likely don't care to. Leave it at that. Much the same as those that yell about needing help at such and such a base and tell people to "stop furballing" and help. They don't care and don't play the game the same way.
Use the communication that is available. If they get it, great, if they don't, thats ok too.
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but the check six comes with a lil text aswell! its a quick emergency command, why not have 4 more basic comunication commands?
you could even edit that as we have with the check six
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raphael think about your wish, when you say target down, think about it which target is down. in a furball, saying things like spit down are meaningless unless you are looking at the same spitfire. I have seen people turn around and get killed by the airplane they were flying because somebody said the same type of airplane is down and they thought it was the one in front of them.
also do you think we will have enough time to take hands away from stick to select a "no sir" message using a mouse? I set up my stick so I dont have to remove my hands from my throttle/stick except to type. and only because moving my hands away from stick/throttle in middle of combat would get me killed if I was to set for example flaps using keyboard. I have no more buttons to push on my stick to arrange some more commands such as open doors, but that's cool for me since i dont really need those mapped. I have some 30 commands mapped to stick, i dont think i am smart enough remember more than that.
anyway if you think about it, the mike was meant to replace the keyboard and to facilitate comms for those nearby. so use it. there's lots of us that have a really bad accent when playing the game and somehow people understand what we say most of the time. shoot there's some people that get so drunk playing that we cant undertand either.
semp
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hahah! well thats alrigthy then, yeah i shouldn't trust random ideas like that. i just tought at the time it was brilliant to click and say "yes" or "no" instead of taking the hands off and typing but well nvm, during the day i still use the mic.
Btw accents are cool.
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but the check six comes with a lil text aswell! its a quick emergency command, why not have 4 more basic comunication commands?
you could even edit that as we have with the check six
I don't think most of these guys are following you Raph.
What you are suggesting is more audio commands like check 6 right?
So there would be a response to the check 6 like "copy" that is a keyboard command that players who dont use a mic can use to respond to others.
Is this what you are trying to suggest?
If so, +1 a few more basic commands would be helpful.
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well actually yes THAT is my wish, but im out of ideas for more basic commands, IF you like you could post yours. what i can think of that would not be SO confuse is "yes" and "no".
i dont know maybe: "bombers" and then "high"
"fighters"
etc
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Why don't we have a Range Text? We have Range VOX.
Coogan
*Edit* +1 for your idea Raphael. :aok
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lol and thats what i thout the "local" was for and thats what made the entire confusion and well gave the idea so its pretty much 2 wishes in one, +1 for the range text
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Sounds like you are asking for pregenerated vox commands? like our "check 6"
Why not just use vox, isnt that kinda the same concept :headscratch:
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Sounds like you are asking for pregenerated vox commands? like our "check 6"
Why not just use vox, isnt that kinda the same concept :headscratch:
Because as he stated earlier, not everyone can use vox. sometimes the wife and kids are sleeping and if you open your mouth the wife will be telling you to get your bellybutton back to bed. Even punching the keyboard as you are typing is enough to get you caught sometimes.
im out of ideas for more basic commands, IF you like you could post yours. what i can think of that would not be SO confuse is "yes" and "no".
i dont know maybe: "bombers" and then "high"
"fighters"
etc
Well you are right, it would have to stay pretty simple unless they want to write a bunch of code that would likely see little use. But I don't believe any of it would be difficult.
I think they could program it so that you could padlock an enemy vehicle or aircraft and then hit the command for "mark" (as in mark this target) The computer would generate a generic location like "enemy armor at my 9 0clock" or "off my left wing"
Now that call would be in relation the pilot who called it, and it would be up to those in the area to pay attention to where his left wing is.
So some basics would be something like these
- "copy that check 6"
- "thanks for the check 6"
- "bandits 9 oclock high"
- "armor at this location"
- "I'm returning to base"
- "Tally Ho"
- "bandit on my six"
- "you are clear"
It's a good idea Raph. I guarantee anyone with a Saitek x52 has plenty of available spots to put all of these commands and then some. And if I am not mistaken, the AH control mapping allows you to program 4 modes to any stick. Not sure about that, I never tried it.
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ah cool, thats what i was talking about! situations like those :D
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which brings back to the reason he posted the wish to begin with. he's talking about people not reading the text buffer. so then why bother with the extra messages?
semp
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the check 6 is a directed communication keyboard command that triggers an audio file only the person it's meant for can hear. the audible version of ".p joepilot check six". since a person needs to be in icon range and within your field of view to receive a check 6 call, how would you propose a response would work? how would you suggest a reply be sent to the person who gave you the check 6 call, automatic when you hit the key or like the check 6 call have to locate them in your fov then hit the key?
how would this stuff work, everyone within icon range get the message at the same time? directed to an individual like the check 6 call? both?
- "copy that check 6"
- "thanks for the check 6"
- "bandits 9 oclock high"
- "armor at this location"
- "I'm returning to base"
- "Tally Ho"
- "bandit on my six"
- "you are clear"
imagine the lametards hitting keys just to spam that stuff for no better reason than they think it's something fun to do at the time...no thanks.
if your living situation has your computer in a place where the person(s) you live with will be disturbed by the sound of your voice or the keyboard while they are trying to sleep or watch tv, then you should seriously consider moving the computer to another room or go to bed yourself.
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within the icon range it would work the same way, and to responses why not code it so it would be ".r copy that" what i had in mind is exactly like the check six, and i don't see people abusing the check six, i dont think they would abuse the other commands.
also, semp, what calls the attention of the check six is the sound, and since some people can't use the vox all the time, why not have more of these sounds for comunication purposes? like you see in many FPS games and other quick action games when you need fast comunication.
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which brings back to the reason he posted the wish to begin with. he's talking about people not reading the text buffer. so then why bother with the extra messages?
semp
I dont think the ONLY reason he posted this is because people dont read text. It is also becuse its a pain in the bellybutton to try and type a response to a check six in the middle of combat. Or any thing else for that matter. And these are not text responses he is talking about, they verbal responses just like the check 6.
the check 6 is a directed communication keyboard command that triggers an audio file only the person it's meant for can hear. the audible version of ".p joepilot check six". since a person needs to be in icon range and within your field of view to receive a check 6 call, how would you propose a response would work? how would you suggest a reply be sent to the person who gave you the check 6 call, automatic when you hit the key or like the check 6 call have to locate them in your fov then hit the key?
The check 6 response doesnt need to be nor should it be directed at only one person. How many times has more than one person checked you at the same time. We use vox to respond on open channel, why would we want or need to reply to each and every person. It should be responded to on range so that everyone who checked can hear it whether it's one or more.
imagine the lametards hitting keys just to spam that stuff for no better reason than they think it's something fun to do at the time...no thanks.
Right, because they cant do that with the check 6 now.
if your living situation has your computer in a place where the person(s) you live with will be disturbed by the sound of your voice or the keyboard while they are trying to sleep or watch tv, then you should seriously consider moving the computer to another room or go to bed yourself.
If your living situation is so pathetic that you have nothing better to do than to bash ideas you dont have the intellect to understand, then troll the forums bashing ideas you dont have the intellect to understand.
Oh wait... :bolt:
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Muzik, he is not trolling, that was an honest question on how it would work.
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Muzik, he is not trolling, that was an honest question on how it would work.
No, what he posted up to the last paragraph were honest questions. His last paragraph was an inconsiderate dung wad falling out of his mouth.
And since he so graciously pointed out that HTC doesnt have to pander to peoples living situations, I vote that HTC upgrade the graphics because we shouldnt have to wait for gyqene to afford something more than the walmart PC.
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No, what he posted up to the last paragraph were honest questions. His last paragraph was an inconsiderate dung wad falling out of his mouth.
And since he so graciously pointed out that HTC doesnt have to pander to peoples living situations, I vote that HTC upgrade the graphics because we shouldnt have to wait for gyqene to afford something more than the walmart PC.
actually my last paragraph was neither a troll nor a dung wad falling from anywhere, it was a direct "move your computer to another room, moron" statement for those who may not have thought of the obvious. if your significant other is disturbed by your use of the built in voice communications system while trying to sleep, then one of you is in the wrong room.
now address the question if you're genetically capable of forming an intelligent reply. check 6 reply, as raphael pointed out could work the same as a .r command would, directed at the last person who private messaged you. would take a bit more programming to address multiple people, assuming it didn't muck something else up.
as for a range message that verbalizes something like "<name a plane> down", with the large number of aircraft in the lineup how would something like that work? some fancy programming that determines what type of plane you're shooting at and automatically fills in the blank just in case you might want to make the announcement? or maybe a dropdown list for a person to choose from? kind of a waste of time considering voice comms is already built in and can be mapped to any button on your joystick.
considering the juvenile mentality that is heavily prevalent from people of all ages, what does anyone seriously think would happen if there was a programmable keyboard command to announce "tally ho" or "you are clear", especially if custom sounds can be used? i've seen it happen in other games, there is always someone who has nothing better to do than annoy other people and if you give them a way to do it they will.
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From my experiences in the arena, we need a "check 12" call.
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actually my last paragraph was neither a troll nor a dung wad falling from anywhere, it was a direct "move your computer to another room, moron" statement for those who may not have thought of the obvious. if your significant other is disturbed by your use of the built in voice communications system while trying to sleep, then one of you is in the wrong room.
I understood your meaning behind the statement completely, it was Raph that misjudged your lack of respect. Thank you for proving my point. And the irony of you of all people calling someone else a moron is STAGGERING! So let me answer your questions once again so that you wont hurt yourself trying to figure it out.
check 6 reply, as raphael pointed out could work the same as a .r command would, directed at the last person who private messaged you. would take a bit more programming to address multiple people, assuming it didn't muck something else up.
Yes it COULD, but #1 you still cant seem to grasp the concept of the reply being routed to the range channel. There is NO "programming to address multiple people" and NO "mucking" anything up. IT PLAYS ON RANGE CHANNEL. PERIOD #2 It would not be any easier to route it to a single person than it would to route it to the range channel. We are talking about maybe 1 line of code. #3 What difference does it make if everyone on range channel hears a reply that is not specifically directed at them? They hear the same stuff all the time. #4 As I said before it is more beneficial to put it on range than try to address a single person because if more than one person gives a check 6, a reply of "thanks for the check" or "copy check" does not have to be issued several different times.
as for a range message that verbalizes something like "<name a plane> down", with the large number of aircraft in the lineup how would something like that work? some fancy programming that determines what type of plane you're shooting at and automatically fills in the blank just in case you might want to make the announcement? or maybe a dropdown list for a person to choose from? kind of a waste of time considering voice comms is already built in and can be mapped to any button on your joystick.
Because you dont seem to pay attention to who said what, I said NOTHING about a command that said "<name a plane> down." But for your information, it would not be exceedingly difficult for them to program it so that when you padlock an object of any kind it is automatically identified in a text or voice message. The only problem with that is they would have to have a recording for each and every aircraft or object. I NEVER advocated this and I think Raph only used it as an example off the top of his head. He never suggested he had all the answers or THAT particular command was a MUST HAVE. It was just an example. So pay attention to what people are saying, ask if you dont understand, or stay out of it.
considering the juvenile mentality that is heavily prevalent from people of all ages, what does anyone seriously think would happen if there was a programmable keyboard command to announce "tally ho" or "you are clear", especially if custom sounds can be used? i've seen it happen in other games, there is always someone who has nothing better to do than annoy other people and if you give them a way to do it they will.
Do you REALLY have that little lack of understanding of how this game works? Custom sounds are ONLY heard on your own computer. NO ONE else hears them but you, so how do you figure this even matters? The only sounds we are talking about here are EXACTLY like a check 6 except with a different message. If someone wants to use obnoxious custom sounds, he wont be bothering anyone but himself.
And for the last frkn time, if someone wants to annoy anyone in the game by hitting a command he can check 6 you until his heart is content or a mod gives him the boot, so what is the difference?
If HTC wants to stop that kind of thing they can program it so that excessive, repeated commands would get the user muted or booted.
Now is there anything else you dont understand?
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Gyrene, thats why Im saying that it would be simple and not to point out a specific plane or anything that could make the code a head ache for the programers. for those who like to abuse from the voice commands you could just map a button "squelch last comunicator" or something like that wich would cause to squelch the last person that sent you that message wich is pretty much a pm or a .r with audio in it, the custom sounds would work for yout sound just like when you download a custom check six call only you hear that kind of customization! :D
now as for the moving the PC, i dont have a big ethernet wire so the pc stays in the office wich is on the side of my sister's room and she came here for the vacation and is leaving tomorrow. So there are cases and cases as for the "WHY" people would like such setting and well, i came up with the idea because of a need. and because i made a noob mistake at the same time :D
I don't know about complicated responses such as certain airplane just went down, what i had in mind were a few simple commands for basic comunication. maybe only difference of "figther" and "bomber"...
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muzik, if i were you i wouldn't point a stinky finger at anyone but myself...you must be tired of smelling it yourself and want to try spreading it around. the things you consider "good ideas" and easily accomplished are far from the reality. the existing check 6 call works well only because of the way it's designed to work, between 2 people with a corresponding text message. thinking it's a good idea to incorporate a function that works like the check 6 call to the range vox system, especially something like a "tally ho" or "armor at this location" that everyone within icon range will be subjected to is ridiculously stupid. range gets mucky enough in a crowd and it's there to avoid the need for more system message commands. nice try but you fail, again.
Gyrene, thats why Im saying that it would be simple and not to point out a specific plane or anything that could make the code a head ache for the programers. for those who like to abuse from the voice commands you could just map a button "squelch last comunicator" or something like that wich would cause to squelch the last person that sent you that message wich is pretty much a pm or a .r with audio in it, the custom sounds would work for yout sound just like when you download a custom check six call only you hear that kind of customization! :D
now as for the moving the PC, i dont have a big ethernet wire so the pc stays in the office wich is on the side of my sister's room and she came here for the vacation and is leaving tomorrow. So there are cases and cases as for the "WHY" people would like such setting and well, i came up with the idea because of a need. and because i made a noob mistake at the same time :D
i can see where you would have a bit of a problem trying to use vox. is the "office" in the same room as where you're sister was trying to sleep?
some messages are useful, others aren't. something like "you are clear" or "roger the check 6" could be useful especially if it worked as a .r command and like the check 6 call, between 2 people.
your op was obviously due to your frustration from a text miscommunication between yourself and another player, caused by a nuance of the text communication system that you didn't realize. considering the amount of information that could or should be communicated, think about what you were trying to tell the other player and how complex it could get. just an example, you're flying over a base, you spot an enemy tank a thousand yards away from the base hiding in the trees, you hit a button or key that sends a message announcing "enemy armor" to everyone within icon range. someone who uses vox says, "where, is it a tank or something else?". what do you do next? the simplicity of the system you are now talking about would not allow for any further elaboration without using vox or having the same situation occur when you try to type the response out in the text buffer. to be truly useful, the system has to either be purposely simplistic like the check 6 command or very complex in order to actually communicate with others without using vox.
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the office is next to her bedroom, and tehre is a window between both.
well but you gotta remember my wish is for simple comunication, if i could (just like the check six click until you find the person you want the .p to go to) send a message that said "yes sir" as soon as he asked me to strafe the enemy this would be all ok or even better if (with the same system) i could say "enemy down" man! that would just be perfect. I'm asking for other comunication ideas to be posted but i ask to keep it simple and generic. most would be more response.
The ones i have (using the very same system we currently have):
Yes sir Bombs away
No sir My mark
Enemy down RTB
Low bombers Requesting supplies
High bombers
Low figthers
High figthers
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Just making it clear here, it is for simple quick comunication. just like the check six.
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i wouldn't point a stinky finger at anyone but myself
I think that says it all right there. Did you ever drop a grenade in your foxhole?
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Just making it clear here, it is for simple quick comunication. just like the check six.
i understand raph. just playing devil's advocate here for a minute to show you how this could go...
high/low bombers/fighters - let's separate the singular from the plural for those times when there is only 1, which is quite often - high/low bomber/fighter as well. you now have 8 separate functions instead of just 4. someone asks where in relation to your position? now you have to reply with a clock position. what started out as 4 simple functions is now 16 minimum. the numeric keypad has numbers 0 thru 9, where would 11 and 12 come from? what about those who use laptops without a separate numeric keypad?
requesting supplies - what is your location? you're going to have to type or say something on vox to elaborate and have your request fulfilled.
my mark - could be useful for missions or something like that but what mark? are you marking something or asking someone to do something on your command? are you going to type something, say it on vox or hit another key to convey what you want done on your mark? there is a good list of commands that could be given, dive, drop, fire, turn (left/right), climb, take off, compass heading, etc...
have you looked in the game at what keys perform what functions? if it was optional (which it should be) to allow someone to change a key function for your message system, just your short list is giving up 11 keyboard functions to send messages. what keyboard functions would you be willing to give up in order to have just what you listed?
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darn it looks like ill have to buy 2 new keyboards!
ok then ill bring my wish to the very basic since your point is really serious and i really got no response for these problems.
Yes sir
No sir
RTB
enemy down (no need to specify, imagine a tanker asking you "is that panzer still there?")
Bombs away
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which brings back to the reason he posted the wish to begin with. he's talking about people not reading the text buffer. so then why bother with the extra messages?
semp
He brought it up because he thought I wasnt reading the buffer, when in fact I was reading country and he had typed it on range. I was in a GV from a V base and he upped from an Airfield. Thus, I never saw his text cuz I wasnt from same field. I get what he means. Maybe say when within 6k all "range" chatter should be in purple instead of just from base you left. U may have 3 different GV spawns into an NME Base as well as guys from 6 different AF's.
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the office is next to her bedroom, and tehre is a window between both.
well but you gotta remember my wish is for simple comunication, if i could (just like the check six click until you find the person you want the .p to go to) send a message that said "yes sir" as soon as he asked me to strafe the enemy this would be all ok or even better if (with the same system) i could say "enemy down" man! that would just be perfect. I'm asking for other comunication ideas to be posted but i ask to keep it simple and generic. most would be more response.
The ones i have (using the very same system we currently have):
Yes sir Bombs away
No sir My mark
Enemy down RTB
Low bombers Requesting supplies
High bombers
Low figthers
High figthers
Raphael i totally understand why you are asking even if you are not really telling us the real reason. but some of those messages are unnecessary and will further spam the chat line. low bombers typed on range without further info is mostly useless information to many people around you. because they dont know where you are. if you say it on vox, they will see your location highlighted on the map.
perhaps you dont understand that when you type something on range it travels a long way. people from more than 6k will see that info and get confused. typing on range "fighter diving on base" can be seen as far away as another base sometimes. and people will look around for that plane that is not there. that's why it's more important to type "fighter diving on 203" because you never know how far that info travel. vox is limited to 6k I believe, typing on range is not.
smep
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thats why my wish is to work just like the check six! muzik is talking about getting with everyone in range, im talking about pm and i see that there is a pretty big fail with my first set of commands, wich is why i sent the last, a simple one.
I don't have the problem anymore but i don't see the complication or a reason not to get yes, no, rtb and enemy down working like the check six. Some people could use it and since it is just like the check six wont need much work on it.
Again to be clear: the sound/text warning is not range, works as .p and .r; the Range channel would be a channel that works like the range vox, since it is a text channel you would have to type anyway like you do on other channels But could allow more free team comunication without spamming the country channel. those are my wishes "updated" with the trouble critics pointed out. with this last update, is there any other problem?
I like how this is working, thank you for pointing out the failures and such, is really helpfull.
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but some of those messages are unnecessary and will further spam the chat line.
I have to agree with smep <--- :D on this one Raph.
A few of the basics you suggest are just over communicating. HTC could create enough commands to have a conversation with, but that is just not gonna happen. "enemy down" is not critical information. It may be important on some occasions, but we dont need to hear everyone bragging about shooting down a bad guy.
High/low bombers/fighters is too much. As I said if HTC wants to use the padlock system to give a general location then that would solve the need for those but otherwise a simple "bandits" will suffice because if you are winging with someone, they can do a quick scan of the sky to find your bandits.
Yes and No, might be too much conversation, but I can see it being useful. It might be programmed to auto reply to only the person you are responding too. eg the last communicator. But otherwise too much conversation I think.
Anyone requesting supplies is generally in a situation that there are plenty of opportunities to type that request.
low bombers typed on range without further info is mostly useless information to many people around you. because they dont know where you are. if you say it on vox, they will see your location highlighted on the map.
smep
I dont agree with smep on this one. Tough titties, they didnt have lighted icons in ww2. I think we can agree the radar system is way too gamey as it is, but it is necesarry so that we can have lots of action and prevent wasting countless hours looking for fights. But you couldnt watch an icon light up on a map in ww2 and I have no problem with the gamers not being able to game the game any more than they do now. It's easy enough to track people as it is, we dont need to know exact locations, make them work for a kill.
perhaps you dont understand that when you type something on range it travels a long way. people from more than 6k will see that info and get confused. typing on range "fighter diving on base" can be seen as far away as another base sometimes. and people will look around for that plane that is not there.
smep
And this doesnt happen when people use vox? This is just not a valid argument. So what someone gets confused sometimes. It happens anyway. Should we moderate people who use vox and confuse everyone on range when they are talking to just one person? VOX users are real people so it's ok to confuse everyone? :huh
I dont recall anyone suggesting the "diving on base" but that might be excessive communication. It's a nice gesture to give others a heads up, but perhaps we should let others be responsible for paying attention to avoid crowding the vox system.
And if the best argument anyone can come up with is "it crowds the vox system," all you have to do is look at how many people complain about not getting check 6s to see this system will not get so popular that it will be a problem.
Raph, the .p and .r commands are not the best way to go for most scenarios. The range communication is. Dont let the "people will get confused" argument scare you. they are already confused :D
Just messing with you smep :devil :salute