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Title: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on August 26, 2011, 01:17:08 AM
**PLEASE READ MOTD WHEN YOU JOIN TO FIND AVAILABLE FIELDS**
Aircraft can be upped from available V bases


(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/poster-africa-smallrav.gif)
**THE ONLY ACTIVE /AVAILABLE FIELDS ARE**
Axis:V86,A11 A71  Allie: V83,A16,,A15,C57,C56 see below map

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/Afmap%20copy.jpg)
**PLEASE READ MOTD WHEN YOU JOIN TO FIND AVAILABLE FIELDS**
*There is very limited GV action at this stage of the set up*

The Fog of War Rolls In...
The War in North Africa, 1942-1943

**THE ONLY ACTIVE /AVAILABLE FIELDS ARE**

Axis:V86,A11 A71
Allies: V83,A16,,A15,C57,C56
Aircraft can be upped from available V bases
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ALLIES-ROOK orders:

Your  heading SE 100 degrees. Attack German  fields in grid
(V86) Grid 5,10,5 and (A11) Grid-5,9,5
Keep your head on a swivel for enemy patrols.
Patrols defend your bases at all cost!

Allies available Equipment:
V83=Spit V, P40b

A15=Boston III
A16= P38G(no 1000k bombs or rockets), P40, Shermin Fire fly
C57= SBD
C56= Seafire,F4F

Aircraft can be upped from available V bases
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AXIS-KNIGHT orders:

From base (V86)-Your heading W-NW270 degrees  
From base (A11)-Your heading is 300 degrees .
Attack Allied bases (V83) in grid 3,10,7 &
 (A16 ) grid 3,10,9
 Patrol for incoming cons.
Defend your bases at all cost.

 AXIS available Equipment:

V86=109F4, C.202, 109E,Panzer
A11=Available Equipment
FWA5, Bf110,109E
A71- Ju88 (no Torpedo's)

Aircraft can be upped from available V bases
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More state of the art equipment will resupply as we
approach February 1943...mid week
Allied resupply: P-39G, P40E, Spit IX,
Axis resupply:   Ju87D, 109G2,Tiger
 
Anglo-American invasion of North Africa. It took place on November 8, 1942
on the coasts of French Morocco and Algeria, during
World War II.
Although the British 8th Army, under the command of
Bernard Montgomery, had been fighting against the
German forces in North Africa, defeating Rommel’s
Afrika Korps at the Battle of El Alamein, on
November 5, 1942
 Wiston Churchill proposed an Allied invasion on French
 North Africa which would relieve the 8th Army’s efforts,
definitely clear the Axis Powers from
North Africa, improve naval control of the Mediterranean Sea and prepare for an invasion of
Southern Europe (Italy) in 1943.
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Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Shifty on August 26, 2011, 05:57:12 AM
Great idea for a setup. WTG Raven!  :aok
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: skorpion on August 26, 2011, 06:26:42 AM
:O looks great!!!!  :aok
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Puma44 on August 26, 2011, 10:12:49 AM
Nicely done, Raven!   :aok. Going to be fun.
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Nathan60 on August 26, 2011, 11:10:28 AM
What time are most folks in  AVA I've been  jumping in lately but  guess I'm missin you guys the maps  and  plane sets look awsome tho.
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on August 26, 2011, 12:46:41 PM
Generally between 8:00-12:30 EST. Hope to see you :aok
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: captain1ma on August 26, 2011, 01:09:23 PM
10pm-12am EST
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Krusty on August 26, 2011, 01:33:10 PM
Academically speaking, the SpitV flown in North Africa wasn't as capable as ours was, nor did it turn as well. It was weighed down and slowed down by giant sand filters on the nose in many cases. The performance was notiably worse off than its cleaner "European" brothers.

Also at that time it had the larger ammo loads.

I suggest one way around this is to substitute the Seafire. It has the higher ammo, and is heavier. It's just as fast, so you don't get the drag from the Vokes filter, but it's a step in the right direction I think.


Too bad we don't have the 109E-7, because this is where it really shone. Between the E-4 and F-4 I think the bases are covered, though.
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Nathan60 on August 26, 2011, 02:56:40 PM
Generally between 8:00-12:30 EST. Hope to see you :aok

Yeah I'm  twisting the Pig's tails trying to  get them on board
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Nathan60 on August 26, 2011, 03:49:56 PM
I think  alot of folks that havent tried the  AVA  would like the  N Africa  set up its a pretty cool map.  Cant wait  to  get  in  tonight.
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on August 26, 2011, 09:57:29 PM
Spit V advances to front line Allied Base's16

New flights of C202 arrived this evening to Axis base A11
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on August 27, 2011, 06:32:29 AM
Big crowed last night thanks for the fun fights and for the beatings  :O Hope to see more in there today and tonight  :aok
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: waystin2 on August 27, 2011, 08:13:52 AM
Thanks for the warm welcomes and good fights. :aok

Oh and Jaeger--------> :neener:
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Nathan60 on August 27, 2011, 11:57:51 AM
Was  a really fun time last night good  fights! <S> to you all the terrain is  pretty cool aswell.
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: captain1ma on August 27, 2011, 01:22:50 PM
Thanks for the warm welcomes and good fights. :aok

Oh and Jaeger--------> :neener:

Death to the infidelz!!  it was good to see you in there last night. turned out to be a fun night. i was surprised by the numbers, but happy to see them. i hope we can do it again tonight.......if i don't lose power, i'm about to get hit by Irene. JG54 got to fly together as a squad for the first time in a long time, in something other then the FSO.

<S> to everyone else that was in there last night. it was impressive to see 21 people in there.
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Nr_RaVeN on August 27, 2011, 06:03:08 PM
Death in the Sand

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/tank%20set%20up%20copy.jpg)

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JUST IN! Both Axis and Allied armor forces are massing in the desert. The battel rages,air land and sea
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Axis-Knight.. Deutsche Afrika Korps, led by the Desert Fox , General Erwin Rommel.

AxisBases V101 and V102   now have:

Panzer, Sdkfz,Ostwind


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Allies-Rook.. British 8th Army led by General Montgomery

Allied bases V100 and V102 now have
Sherman, M4A3,M3,M8,M16

There were continuous battles between the British 8th Army,under General Montgomery,  and the Deutsche Afrika Korps, led by the Desert Fox , General Erwin Rommel.
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-8/809754/tank-set.gif)
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Shane on August 27, 2011, 07:41:12 PM
Academically speaking, the SpitV flown in North Africa wasn't as capable as ours was, nor did it turn as well. It was weighed down and slowed down by giant sand filters on the nose in many cases. The performance was notiably worse off than its cleaner "European" brothers.


didn't the 109's also have filter mods?
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Shifty on August 27, 2011, 08:24:33 PM
didn't the 109's also have filter mods?

It was more of a scoop on the Spit Vs. I can see how it would have a big effect on the aerodynamics and performance.

Regular Spit V
(http://www.chapshq.com/images/spitfire_image002.gif)

SpitV with sand filter scoop

(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcThyUqhBCuuuuouL4F0PXnC1UDouud0mSOP-KOwgKskwN8HAraw)

BF-109F withot filter

(https://www.aviationillustration.com/shop/images/Bf.109.F.48a.jpg)

Bf-109F with filter

(https://www.aviationillustration.com/shop/images/Bf.109.F.08.jpg)
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: skorpion on August 27, 2011, 08:28:17 PM
hmm...id say that the 109 would give the spit some trouble with the filter on it. if the spit had a smaller one then id say it would easily out-do the 109
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Krusty on August 29, 2011, 09:30:54 AM
Loss of speed on 109s was marginal because the "cap" on the sand screen opened up once you were off the ground and no longer creating huge dust clouds. The resulting drag would then only be from a slight "bump" as compared to the normal airflow. The spit (as seen) was majorly impacted.

Similar filter, but of smaller size, could also be found on hurricanes, further reducing their performance as well.

The Luftwaffe definitely held the performance advantages in the desert. It was logistics and ground warfare that made them lose the fight, not air power.
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: captain1ma on August 29, 2011, 09:41:21 AM
how about the 190 smart guy!   :D
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Krusty on August 29, 2011, 09:48:33 AM
As far as sand filters? No loss of speed as far as I know. 1-2 mph or so I think. the 190 air intake is behind the engine cylinders. The bulge left and right over the cowling is a housing to accomodate the air intake pipe snaking around the cylinder heads to get the feed to the supercharger behind them. On the sand filters that I've seen, they are placed where this bulge is on the cowling and take in air externally, filter the sand there, then duct it inside.

Similar to the diagram here, on the upper middle right side:

(http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/uploads/monthly_09_2008/post-948-1221958039.jpg)

On the similarly-shaped high-alt ram-air compression supercharger intake used on later models this only slowed the plane down a barely noticable amount.


In short: Fw190s were impacted less than Bf109s were, which weren't impacted all that much to begin with.


[edit: grammar fix]
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: captain1ma on August 29, 2011, 10:02:35 AM
thank you, i guess thats why i've been so lucky during this setup.
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Krusty on August 29, 2011, 10:13:27 AM
Well none of this is modeled in AH really. I'm talking real-world specs. In the real war, the LW had a distinct advantage. In AH terms the allies have more than the real war and are performing nearly par with the LW.
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Nathan60 on August 29, 2011, 10:52:40 AM
Looks  like the  tank battles should be fun. I'll  get in on them tonigt for  sure.  See ya'll in the desert
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: captain1ma on August 29, 2011, 01:15:10 PM
get in a tank, and ill be happy to meet you! me likey tank battles!
Title: Re: Aug 26th-The Fog of War Rolls In... The War in North Africa, 1942-1943
Post by: Nathan60 on August 31, 2011, 04:44:32 PM
Looks  like the  tank battles should be fun. I'll  get in on them tonigt for  sure.  See ya'll in the desert

Im such a liar lol,  sorry I lied  grab your pink dress and  heels :devil, I'll try to make it up to ya toinght  lol