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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Widewing on August 26, 2011, 08:02:51 PM
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Seriously, the media are now experts at being the voice of Chicken Little. I don't think this hurricane will be much to talk about, especially in the northeast. The eye wall has collapsed, wind speeds have dropped 17 mph since this morning. Buoys just 50 miles from the storm center are showing winds of under 65 mph. By the time it gets to the New York area, we'll be looking at steady winds in the low 50 mph range with gusts to the mid 60s. In other words, no more intensity than a common winter nor'easter. However, if you watch the Weather Channel and national news channels, you would think it was the second coming of Katrina....
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Seriously, the media are now experts at being the voice of Chicken Little. I don't think this hurricane will be much to talk about, especially in the northeast. The eye wall has collapsed, wind speeds have dropped 17 mph since this morning. Buoys just 50 miles from the storm center are showing winds of under 65 mph. By the time it gets to the New York area, we'll be looking at steady winds in the low 50 mph range with gusts to the mid 60s. In other words, no more intensity than a common winter nor'easter. However, if you watch the Weather Channel and national news channels, you would think it was the second coming of Katrina....
I thought the same thing. I wasn't really following it but kept hearing about it through a couple people. From the way they were telling it, the hurricane was cat 4 or 5. I went and checked the news cat 1 or 2. Slow news week I guess.
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This is good news. But I'd rather be prepared for the worst, vs. thinking it will be nothing.
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Seriously, the media are now experts at being the voice of Chicken Little. I don't think this hurricane will be much to talk about, especially in the northeast. The eye wall has collapsed, wind speeds have dropped 17 mph since this morning. Buoys just 50 miles from the storm center are showing winds of under 65 mph. By the time it gets to the New York area, we'll be looking at steady winds in the low 50 mph range with gusts to the mid 60s. In other words, no more intensity than a common winter nor'easter. However, if you watch the Weather Channel and national news channels, you would think it was the second coming of Katrina....
You sir are exactly right IMHO!!!!
They're that way because of the former female blow hard called Katrina.....every hurricane for the next 20 years or so will be blown up because the people in L.A. sat around and got hammered.....now they go to the other extreme and a smaller hurricane is gonna be made out to be the next 100 year storm or the storm of the decade.
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Good business for Home Depot,Lowe's are selling lots of plywood/generators,.. but it's not over yet, this storm is huge ,can cause lots of damage even with less than 100mph winds and flood in highly populated areas.
from space station ;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvHFKmEe6k
NASA pics;
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hurricanes/archives/2011/h2011_Irene.html
NOAA just isued a tornado warning in NC;
http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full.php
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i think and hope you're right. a lot of what i'm doing, is based on what i'm hearing from higher ups in cap. they don't go by media, they go off of the weather reports from where the media gets their information.
either way.....it's better to be ready for the worst, and not need to have done it, rather than ignore it, and find out the hard way that we should've prepared better. :aok
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Couldn't agree more, When Isabelle hit it was much bigger and not much bad happened. With the best of luck we might get out of school on Monday for no reason at all. :joystick:
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oh no, not the big bad 90 mph category 2 hurricane :cry. would hate to see these people move to areas that get hurricanes all the time :D
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oh no, not the big bad 90 mph category 2 hurricane :cry. would hate to see these people move to areas that get hurricanes all the time :D
some of us would never consider such a thing. ever. :devil
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some of us would never consider such a thing. ever. :devil
:lol
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While the wind threat Isn't that bad with Irene the storm surge will likely be pretty large and cause much more damage than the winds. I still agree that the Media has way over-hyped this though.
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While the wind threat Isn't that bad with Irene the storm surge will likely be pretty large and cause much more damage than the winds. I still agree that the Media has way over-hyped this though.
depends on how fast it will dissipate. i think ike made it all the way to the Central US
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I may have been harsh...
No reason not to be prepared....and to even leave....but things are being blown up because of idiots from a few years ago...No harm in leaving like asked. But to over blow it is a bit much as well.
just sayin...
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Maybe the only hurricane of the season. Have to milk it for all it's worth.
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While the wind threat Isn't that bad with Irene the storm surge will likely be pretty large and cause much more damage than the winds. I still agree that the Media has way over-hyped this though.
i think 80mph+ winds are something to be worried about.
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I may have been harsh...
No reason not to be prepared....and to even leave....but things are being blown up because of idiots from a few years ago...No harm in leaving like asked. But to over blow it is a bit much as well.
just sayin...
within cap, we've prepared for the worst. we've got people standing by, we've got our aircraft moved out of the state.....inland......we've got our vehicles mission ready.
it's best to be prepared for the worst, and hope for the best. we carry ourselves professionally, and we get the job done. we had one squadron assisting with the evac. of a nursing home in atlantic city today.
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Atleast irene is helping put out the wildfires in eastern nc and virginia. I go to the outer banks every year, they'll handle this one(isabel 2004) but I'm wondering what the island will look like after irene
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i think 80mph+ winds are something to be worried about.
Not if you're 19 years old like "Killer". :rofl
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While the wind threat Isn't that bad with Irene the storm surge will likely be pretty large and cause much more damage than the winds. I still agree that the Media has way over-hyped this though.
The storm is moving too fast to cause much of a storm surge, they report an 11ft surge but that also includes a 4ft high tide. It is the slow and big storms that cause the huge surges just like in Ike and Katrina.
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If the report that this is the mother of all hurricanes, they got boosted viewing ratings guaranteed for the next couple of days. If on the other had they report that this is just another run of the mill hurric... <zap> channel switched.
The media take almost no hit for over reporting and even flat out wrong reports. It is good business to blow things out of proportion - worst case, they are wrong and it is immediately forgotten.
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Not if you're 19 years old like "Killer". :rofl
remember hurricane david? i was 17 and on the beach in san juan puerto rico. do you know that it hurts to be sand blasted like that? :confused:
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The storm is moving too fast to cause much of a storm surge, they report an 11ft surge but that also includes a 4ft high tide. It is the slow and big storms that cause the huge surges just like in Ike and Katrina.
i believe there's a new moon tonight? they're saying that this will help to raise the level of the storm surge.
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If the report that this is the mother of all hurricanes, they got boosted viewing ratings guaranteed for the next couple of days. If on the other had they report that this is just another run of the mill hurric... <zap> channel switched.
The media take almost no hit for over reporting and even flat out wrong reports. It is good business to blow things out of proportion - worst case, they are wrong and it is immediately forgotten.
but let me ask you this. presuming you live in the possible path.
would you rather ignore warnings, and get nailed? or would you rather prepare as if it were the end of the world as you know it, and then get missed....but with full knowledge that you'd have been ok?
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See Rule #14
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oh no, not the big bad 90 mph category 2 hurricane :cry. would hate to see these people move to areas that get hurricanes all the time :D
Guess everything really is bigger in Texas, including the mouths :P
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See Rule #14
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I do have a question though, Wonder how much of a surge up the Hudson would be required to innundate the Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant? don't even know if that is a concern or not, just a thought that popped into my head....
I am definitely pro-nuclear power.. but indian point is one of the oldest designs, and sits right on the hudson...
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i think 80mph+ winds are something to be worried about.
every state but Massachusetts is getting the West side of the storm.. what 80mph winds? ;) ohh wait we'll be getting that up here cuz the eye OF COURSE has to go over... wait for it... Springfield... like they havent had enough from the damn tornados. Springfield MA i've heard to still look like a war zone. still... be prepared guys, dont make it your worst fear but just make sure that that one lil tree wont topple on anything expensive or squishy <S>
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I dont know what your talking about it a nice 95 degrees and sunny in Florida AKA "hurricane country" :D :ahand
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The media over-hype something? NOOO!!! REALLY??? You think?!?! :rofl
This storm? Meh. This is nothing. It's hiarious to see people overreact and act like it's the end of times, though. :lol
I guess I've just been through enough hurricanes that were far far worse than this one, and being 20 miles from the coast near Myrtle Beach/Garden City/Murrells Inlet we've been hit by a few of them head-on. Hugo in 1989 was the worst I remember, and I slept through it. It was cat 5 if I remember correctly.
This storm? pffft.
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Oh God in Heaven NOOOOOoooooooo!
(http://i.imgur.com/psdZX.jpg)
(lol, hats off to Rip)
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reports coming out of Frisco, NC that Hatteras Village has been cut off completely just like Isabel in 04.
This is from isabel in 04
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AQjTm3ru2Go/TGHg-vs8TkI/AAAAAAAABGk/Y77EKuapNAk/s1600/inletbig.jpg)
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http://weather.myfoxtampabay.com/maps/WTVT/custom/storms/storm2_track.html
I dont know much about Hurricanes, other then stay the heck away from them, but this one looks like its tracking over about 40 million people.
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The media needs to be held accountable for misinformation. It might not be a lie....but.....it's not accurate either. I say fine them for speculation. If it's not a fact and you report it and blow it out of proportion, then you get fined. If you are reporting about something that you can't nail down, don't make crap up to fill in the blanks. This is one of my biggest pet peeves.
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The media needs to be held accountable for misinformation. It might not be a lie....but.....it's not accurate either. I say fine them for speculation. If it's not a fact and you report it and blow it out of proportion, then you get fined. If you are reporting about something that you can't nail down, don't make crap up to fill in the blanks. This is one of my biggest pet peeves.
I really think the problem at this point is that we (the general public) take what the media presents as "factual information", when what we're really being sold is "entertaining information". They choose what to cover, and how to cover it, based on it's value as entertainment.
I look at news reports as "episodes", just like any other sit-com.
I wonder what will be on this evening's episode of the news?
Hopefully something cool, or entertaining... Maybe something that will stir other emotions? Get me fired up, or even a little depressed?
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Better safe than sorry.
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Better safe than sorry.
exactly.
prepare for the worst. hope for the best.
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Better safe than sorry.
Yeah, I should evacuate everytime we have a thunderstorm...
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During Ike and Katrina we were order to evacuate here in Houston... The evacuation turned out to be more dangerous than the actual storm.
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Yeah, I should evacuate everytime we have a thunderstorm...
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During Ike and Katrina we were order to evacuate here in Houston... The evacuation turned out to be more dangerous than the actual storm.
So what probability of disaster is required to issue an evacuation? Please provide a number.
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every state but Massachusetts is getting the West side of the storm.. what 80mph winds? ;) ohh wait we'll be getting that up here cuz the eye OF COURSE has to go over... wait for it... Springfield... like they havent had enough from the damn tornados. Springfield MA i've heard to still look like a war zone. still... be prepared guys, dont make it your worst fear but just make sure that that one lil tree wont topple on anything expensive or squishy <S>
So southern Mass is coastal now? Must have been a hell of a storm. :D
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So what probability of disaster is required to issue an evacuation? Please provide a number.
A weak category 2 hurricane does not reach that magical number, IMHO, unless I live on the direct oceanfront or there is a risk of flooding due to breached leavies and I'm at or below sea level, as in N.O. with Katrina. I'm 20 miles from the ocean on the SC coast.... and we did have 1 tree limb down on our property, but one of our dogs is chewing on it so I don't want to take it from her just yet.
If I took "prepare for the worst, pray for the best" to heart, I'd have my 2 acres surrounded by fencing and razor wire by now, and I'd be in the machine gun nest on the roof, with the wife and kids in the underground bunker in the back yard. There are far greater dangers in this day and age to overreact to than the nice tropical storm we're having right now.
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http://www.nytimes.com/projects/hurricanes/?ref=us#
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http://www.nytimes.com/projects/hurricanes/?ref=us#
So it's a Cat 1 now, eh? Run for the hills, fellas, it's the end of times! :lol
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So it's a Cat 1 now, eh? Run for the hills, fellas, it's the end of times! :lol
i ain't goin anywhere. i'm 60 miles inland. based on the fact that simple rainstorms last year killed my electricity for 3 days, i do have a full tank of fuel in my generator, and a 5 gallon jug of gas for it.
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So it's a Cat 1 now, eh? Run for the hills, fellas, it's the end of times! :lol
Hindsight 20/20 is a beautiful thing isn't it? It could have been much stronger.
Even a cat 1 storm with winds in the realm of 70-80 mph is still going to do a lot of damage.
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Hindsight 20/20 is a beautiful thing isn't it? It could have been much stronger.
Even a cat 1 storm with winds in the realm of 70-80 mph is still going to do a lot of damage.
Not as much as you think, lived in a trailer home during many strong tropical storms and weak cat 1s...nothing more than a few branches.
I am not surprised it weakened as much as it did...Once you get passed the Carolina's the water temperature is too cold to sustain any real storm.
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Big problem with this storm is the amount of rain, the NE (at least in SE PA and NJ) are already recovering from record August rains. The ground is saturated and cant hold any more at this point. (we got 8" around here in the last 2 weeks, and 20+ for the month) Another 5 to 8 inches of rain is going to result in massive flooding, couple that with some wind, and tree roots that will no longer support the tree, and its a recipie for disaster. I got claims last week (15+) resulting from trees on houses from just small thunderstorms that have come thru, minor winds caused many trees to fall on houses due to the saturated ground. One of which resulted in the death of a 15mo old child. I also have 40+ homes (claims) where some larger thunderstorms ripped roofs up, and have structures that are already damaged or unstable. (and im just one adjuster, for one company)
The company I work for already has our hurricane teams coming up from the gulf states, and trust me when i say they dont spend millions of dollars to open up Catastrophy offices for something that is going to be "minor"
All that said, I hope im absolutely wrong, and that this whole thing is going to be nothing.............ultimatel y i dont think it will though.
Personally i cant stand the media, but when it comes to the possibility of people being hurt, or worse killed, It would be irresponsible of them not to provide all the information they can. If just 1 life is saved due to the "hype" then in my eyes its worth it.
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WHAT? the media is OVER-HYPING something? That never happens! Ever!!!! :D
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Then again, I'd rather they over hype than under hype a natural disaster. Really, is too much warning worse than no warning at all?
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Hindsight 20/20 is a beautiful thing isn't it? It could have been much stronger.
Even a cat 1 storm with winds in the realm of 70-80 mph is still going to do a lot of damage.
LOL. Hindsight my arse. We were directly in its projected path on Wednesday and it was a cat 3 at that time with the possibility of getting even stronger. And we had no plans to evacuate. I've ridden out cat 4 and cat 5 hurricanes before. With it being a cat 1 or 2, LOL, if you're running inland.... go ahead and panic over nothing! :rofl
Like I said, unless I live directly on the beach (within 1 mile of water) or in the swamp (we have a tremendous amount of land around here that is only 8-10 feet above sea level, and the Waccamaw River runs right through the center of town, so flooding is a big deal, as with Hurricane Floyd), I'm not leaving. The mass of people leaving due to over-hyped hysteria is as much of a problem as the storm itself is.
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So it's a Cat 1 now, eh? Run for the hills, fellas, it's the end of times! :lol
also....i am in the civil air patrol. we are tasked with emergency services, just as police, fire fighters, etc. it is in our(and everyone involved) best interest to prepare for the worst. it's what we train for. we do what we do better than anyone else. we take pride in what we do. ask any other cap member here on the bbs.
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LOL. Hindsight my arse. We were directly in its projected path on Wednesday and it was a cat 3 at that time with the possibility of getting even stronger. And we had no plans to evacuate. I've ridden out cat 4 and cat 5 hurricanes before. With it being a cat 1 or 2, LOL, if you're running inland.... go ahead and panic over nothing! :rofl
Like I said, unless I live directly on the beach (within 1 mile of water) or in the swamp (we have a tremendous amount of land around here that is only 8-10 feet above sea level, and the Waccamaw River runs right through the center of town, so flooding is a big deal, as with Hurricane Floyd), I'm not leaving. The mass of people leaving due to over-hyped hysteria is as much of a problem as the storm itself is.
i didn't say i ran inland. i live there.
what would you think would happen, if they/we brushed this off, as a non-event, and by some freak of nature, it turned west, made landfall, and caused large numbers of deaths, and massive devastation? what do you think would happen? you know as well as any of us, that it's not impossible. improbable, yes....but not impossible. i wouldn't want to be the person that said don't worry, when it hit.........just sayin. :aok
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i didn't say i ran inland. i live there.
what would you think would happen, if they/we brushed this off, as a non-event, and by some freak of nature, it turned west, made landfall, and caused large numbers of deaths, and massive devastation? what do you think would happen? you know as well as any of us, that it's not impossible. improbable, yes....but not impossible. i wouldn't want to be the person that said don't worry, when it hit.........just sayin. :aok
The present weather currents make it impossible for this storm to turn west.
And Cap, I would like to thank you for your duty in CAP. I would like to extend a big salute to you sir!
Being prepared for the worse is always a good idea, but when do you draw the line for that? Are we going to mobilize and evacuate everytime we have a massive thunderstorm?
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LOL. Hindsight my arse. We were directly in its projected path on Wednesday and it was a cat 3 at that time with the possibility of getting even stronger. And we had no plans to evacuate.
At that time, there was still uncertainty of whether its path would deviate and there was still adequate time to "wait a little longer" to see if the path changed.
I'm just glad you guys aren't in charge of population safety, there'd be a lot of fatalities.
My heart also bleeds for the New Englanders that have to evacuate once every 20 years due to the threat of a potential monster storm. :cry
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At that time, there was still uncertainty of whether its path would deviate and there was still adequate time to "wait a little longer" to see if the path changed.
I'm just glad you guys aren't in charge of population safety, there'd be a lot of fatalities.
My heart also bleeds for the New Englanders that have to evacuate once every 20 years due to the threat of a potential monster storm. :cry
In a earlier post I said we had to evacuate due to Ike and Katrina, I meant Ike and Rita.
During Hurricane Rita we had to evacuate, only 7 people died DIRECTLY related to the Hurricane...90 people out of the 113 indirect deaths died due to the evacuation we had in Houston.
This is from National Geographic concerning why people didn't want to evacuate during Ike:
"Some probably refused to leave because they'd been caught in the chaotic evacuation for Hurricane Rita in 2005, he said.
During that event, roads out of Houston became gridlocked. Officials later estimated that about 90 people died during the 2005 evacuation because of heatstroke, dehydration, and other causes. "
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080926-hurricane-ike-evacuation.html
So as you can see, sometimes trying to be safe than sorry goes horribly wrong...who is to blame then? When you evacuate a large area you are going put everyone at a greater risk because they are now exposed. Not only to the weather, but also to eachother...when you have almost a million people trying to get away at once...bad things happen, especially when they panic.
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i didn't say i ran inland. i live there.
Wasn't commenting to you specifically, CAP.
what would you think would happen, if they/we brushed this off, as a non-event, and by some freak of nature, it turned west, made landfall, and caused large numbers of deaths, and massive devastation? what do you think would happen? you know as well as any of us, that it's not impossible. improbable, yes....but not impossible. i wouldn't want to be the person that said don't worry, when it hit.........just sayin. :aok
Even if it was to "turn west" magically, please explain how a Cat 1 hurricane could "cause large numbers of deaths, and massive devastation?"
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At that time, there was still uncertainty of whether its path would deviate and there was still adequate time to "wait a little longer" to see if the path changed.
I'm just glad you guys aren't in charge of population safety, there'd be a lot of fatalities.
FAIL. Using common sense in the face of a storm like this one is not going to put anyone's safety at risk.
Big storm does not always equal strong storm. A cat 2 is a cat 2, no matter how big it looks on a satellite photo. Mass hysteria not warranted. Try again, please.
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FAIL. Using common sense in the face of a storm like this one is not going to put anyone's safety at risk.
Big storm does not always equal strong storm. A cat 2 is a cat 2, no matter how big it looks on a satellite photo. Mass hysteria not warranted. Try again, please.
Reaper, a large storm can cause a massive storm surge...it is not the cat rating that decides that, it is the size and speed of it. If you live near the coast this would be your main concern. While this storm does not have a big surge, do not shrug off a large storm just because of its' category.
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This pic is just after hurricane fran went through raleigh so being inland can still be dangerous.
(http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1996/ofr96-499/graphics/boat.gif)
Hurricane wilma made landfall and traveled across florida before hitting us in West Palm Beach and I remember seeing roofs coming off of buildings and finding a no parking sign embedded into a tree in my front yard.
I remember riding out hurricane agnes which was supposed to be weak and it really messed up jersey.
Hurricane charley was a quick and nasty hurricane with very little rainfall but it broke a lot of trees and buildings in orlando where I lived.
I was in west palm for Jeanne and Frances and they were'nt nearly as strong but jeanne dropping 11 inches of rain and frances dropping 14 inches was far worse than the wind damage.
Wilma was much like charley except the eye was huge which allowed us to go outside and quickly reattach the electrical service to our house that had been ripped out by a falling tree before the storm kicked back up.
I also did a quick drive around locally during the eye and was amazed to see the huge amount of morons entering I95 because they thought the storm was over.
Those guys had to ride out the second half of the storm stuck in traffic.
Hurricanes are also unpredictable.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Ivan_2004_track.png/800px-Ivan_2004_track.png)
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The present weather currents make it impossible for this storm to turn west.
And Cap, I would like to thank you for your duty in CAP. I would like to extend a big salute to you sir!
Being prepared for the worse is always a good idea, but when do you draw the line for that? Are we going to mobilize and evacuate everytime we have a massive thunderstorm?
i understand it's impossible.....my point is/was "what if?" i wouldn't want to be the governer if i didn't do what's being done, and we got hammered.
i appreciate that....but i don't do anything special, in my opinion.....at least not compared to the men and women that wear the uniform, and serve.
i think that for whatever reason, they were pretty positive that cape may county was gonna take a direct hit. that was as of last wed. it looks now, like it's going to be about 20-30 miles off the coast. that's going to still hit the coastal regions with heavy winds, and driven rain. we've had record rain this month, meaning the ground is saturated, and soft......so any tree could potentially become a missile, or just fall over.
even if this totally missed us, there are many positives to the fact that we all did this. just within cap for example.......it tested our training, it tested our comms, our chain of command, and will have exposed our weak links. i personally dealt with 2 of those weak links, which will be brought to light in my AAR next week.
i'm pretty proud to be able to call my fellow cap members my friends too.
i think gov. christie may have been replaced by a pod person. he's on the radio right now, and not sounding his normal "gruff" self. :bolt:
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Wasn't commenting to you specifically, CAP.
Even if it was to "turn west" magically, please explain how a Cat 1 hurricane could "cause large numbers of deaths, and massive devastation?"
i may have mis-interpreted.........it's ok if ya were though. i can take it. :D
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FAIL. Using common sense in the face of a storm like this one is not going to put anyone's safety at risk.
Big storm does not always equal strong storm. A cat 2 is a cat 2, no matter how big it looks on a satellite photo. Mass hysteria not warranted. Try again, please.
A category 2 storm is 96-110 mph winds + ungodly amount of rain depending on the size of the hurricane. 96-110 mph winds will tear many roofs apart and cause plenty of structural damage in residential homes. If a storm like this hit a population center when life was going on "as usual", there would be lots of casualties.
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A category 2 storm is 96-110 mph winds + ungodly amount of rain depending on the size of the hurricane. 96-110 mph winds will tear many roofs apart and cause plenty of structural damage in residential homes. If a storm like this hit a population center when life was going on "as usual", there would be lots of casualties.
Really? Because where I live every winter we get 70mph sustained winds with gusts up in the 90s, for days on end.
My roof is still there after many years of this and I'd say the structure is pretty well off. Life goes on as usual here.
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Hurricanes spawn tornados.
Hurricane wilma spawned at least 11 tornados on florida.
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Hurricanes spawn tornados.
Hurricane wilma spawned at least 11 tornados on florida.
FUNNY you say that.....they're issuing tornado warnings in atlantic county, and i think cape may county too.
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I'm just glad you guys aren't in charge of population safety, there'd be a lot of fatalities.
Amen to that. Although some of them sound like they could have a future in FEMA.
Really? Because where I live every winter we get 70mph sustained winds with gusts up in the 90s, for days on end.
My roof is still there after many years of this and I'd say the structure is pretty well off. Life goes on as usual here.
You obviously fail to comprehend that Hurricanes DO spawn Tornadoes.
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Some also forget that they will get 80 mph winds for 5 to 6 hours in one direction then get 5 to 6 hours of 80mph winds from the opposite direction not to include 10 to 15 inches of rain. If you've been in a Hurricane, none of them are harmless. Along with possible tornados (with no warning btw) hey! Call the family have a party! (NOT)
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Hurricanes do indeed spawn tornadoes. And not the kind they see in the Mid West. The kind that go with hurricanes spawn but more or less hop. That would be the kind that ravaged my neighborhood when Katrina went through New Orleans. I lived 7 miles from the French Quarter. Tornado hopped through damaging this house or that house and destroying mine.
Officials are not being paranoid over this. Hurricanes also have a nasty habit of turning back to sea, gaining strength, and coming back again to do more damage.
Best of luck to all in Irenes path.
P.S. If they say leave....leave. :salute
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The current forecast for where we live, out on Long Island, is 60 to 65 knot winds and some heavy bands of rain. My daughter was house-sitting a home just 300 yards from the South Bay of Fire Island. She was told to evacuate, so she came here with two dogs (a 120 lb Rotsie named Fred and a Pitbull-lab mix). We're on the north shore of the island and in no danger from flooding or storm surge. Perhaps a power outage and some trees down... I don't have any large trees on my property (lost the last two in a nor'easter just after Christmas). So, we'll just sit tight and hope the lights stay on....
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Couldn't agree more, When Isabelle hit it was much bigger and not much bad happened. With the best of luck we might get out of school on Monday for no reason at all. :joystick:
Thats because you didn't have 3 ft of water in your house. I swear kids these days know all. I talked to Shawk, last nite who is from Ohio. He gave is massive experience dealing with hurricane's from where he lives. :rolleyes:
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Really? Because where I live every winter we get 70mph sustained winds with gusts up in the 90s, for days on end.
My roof is still there after many years of this and I'd say the structure is pretty well off. Life goes on as usual here.
What are the building codes for that area?
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A category 2 storm is 96-110 mph winds + ungodly amount of rain depending on the size of the hurricane. 96-110 mph winds will tear many roofs apart and cause plenty of structural damage in residential homes. If a storm like this hit a population center when life was going on "as usual", there would be lots of casualties.
ha another hurricane experten from nebreska who knew.
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its like these houses on the beach never prepared for this and never had this happen before..... :lol :lol
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So southern Mass is coastal now? Must have been a hell of a storm. :D
missing the point of what you said here...
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ha another hurricane experten from nebreska who knew.
:rofl
I know.
<--- been through half a dozen, including a cat 5..... and stayed at home.
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slow weather news week.
Stabs
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ha another hurricane experten from nebreska who knew.
Not that Grizz needs me to come in on his 'side' but he's pretty well versed in the capabilities of structures and the potential damage that high winds and various weather phenomenon can cause to structures.
He's kind of smart and stuff regardless of his geographical location.
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do any of you naysayers actually realize just how tiny we are in the grand scheme of things? just how easily buildings can topple?
i'm not a structural engineer, and i can realize what high winds can do to wooden buildings.
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Not that Grizz needs me to come in on his 'side' but he's pretty well versed in the capabilities of structures and the potential damage that high winds and various weather phenomenon can cause to structures.
He's kind of smart and stuff regardless of his geographical location.
Hurricanes aren't all about structural integrity of buildings in high winds and yes you're all up on his well you know.
Irene, is down to cat-1 I'm still expecting tidal flooding, and power outage but thank god it's not a cat-3. Few days ago I would've disagreed with the OP about the hype. But as of now NewYork is spared and the media is hamming it up a bit.
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I just read the news here in Norway, and its pretty hyped up over here too.. But another thing I read was that they are holding (or was holding before this weather) police and firedepartment world championships in New York these days.. As I understood there was 17000 policemen, and how many firemen I don't know but there was 200 firemen from Norway there also to participate. They are now sitting tight in their hotel waiting for Irene to pass. :P
But I was thinking, if things really gets chaotic after all, atleast there is good to know there are so many from the police and firedepartment there to help handle the situation.. :headscratch: :aok
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Tweet: 5 inches of rain so far wind gust 30-40 mph 12more hours to go.
Tweet: lights just flickered awww poop.
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i said it before...........
in this type of situation, it is best to prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.
we're ready. hopefully. even more hopefully, all of our precautions, and preparations will be shown to be unnecessary.
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Hurricanes aren't all about structural integrity of buildings in high winds and yes you're all up on his well you know.
Irene, is down to cat-1 I'm still expecting tidal flooding, and power outage but thank god it's not a cat-3. Few days ago I would've disagreed with the OP about the hype. But as of now NewYork is spared and the media is hamming it up a bit.
Look at the bright side. I haven't heard or seen jack about Kim Karwhatsherface in days :D
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from what I've been reading on other forums, its some of the worse flooding to hit the outer banks in 50 years.
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i said it before...........
in this type of situation, it is best to prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.
we're ready. hopefully. even more hopefully, all of our precautions, and preparations will be shown to be unnecessary.
I think you need to up a cessna and give me wind readings inside this thing. :devil
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Look at the bright side. I haven't heard or seen jack about Kim Karwhatsherface in days :D
You know if you mute the TV she's pretty talented.
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I really hope Irene calms before hitting land over there, my thoughts are with ya guys. We don't have this kind of weather over here in Norway, so I can only imagine how it would be like. But I sure hope the predictions about New York being flooded by Sunday is a false alarm from the news..
But better safe than sorry, so I would stack myself and my closest ones in a safe place with food and supplies for atleast a couple of days I think if something like this was to happen over here.. :noid
Best of luck to all of you guys who are right in the middle of it. :pray :salute
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Well, New York being flooded was a bit over the edge tho.. I meant Manhattan island.. :rolleyes:
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Really? Because where I live every winter we get 70mph sustained winds with gusts up in the 90s, for days on end.
My roof is still there after many years of this and I'd say the structure is pretty well off. Life goes on as usual here.
Same: http://www.myforecast.com/bin/climate.m?city=71492&metric=false
Outside my work is a notorious spot that highlights winds, it's not unusual to see pedestrians getting blow over. And that's kinda "lulz another one" to us. We can also spot out of towners, they're the ones with umbrella's.
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Power is out and two very large trees went through the neighbors house. Power
has been out since 6pm EST. Gloucester Virginia here. Cat 1 or 5 this isn't fun either way hahaha.
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7 dead and 2 million people without power so far. Yeah I think the fun part is just about done.
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:rofl
I know.
<--- been through half a dozen, including a cat 5..... and stayed at home.
Yaaayy you :aok
Just promise to never call for help.
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7 dead and 2 million people without power so far. Yeah I think the fun part is just about done.
If 2 million people are without power, it is because stupid knee jerk wingnuts cut the power out of paranoia to avoid grid surges
This whole thing was so over blown by the fear mongers and the govern - MINT...
Just like that earthquake you East coasties got a week or so a go...
Its the END OF THE WORLD...over and over and over again...
FEAR...SELL IT...then provide the SOLUTION or ANSWER
Total joke...the only thing more pathetic are the suckers who bite; hook, line and sinker
Shutting the subway systems down in New York and Boston?...what a bunch of BS
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After seeing how it hit the outer banks(hatteras, cape lookout, etc). This storm was no joke and defiantly not hyped up.
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/316130_148240315262430_112988558787606_278583_7921591_n.jpg)
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I have a multi satellite dish setup so I can watch the live newsfeeds that arent normally broadcast on tv. Usually they just sit the camera and leave the uplink active so you get a firsthand look on whats going on.
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If 2 million people are without power, it is because stupid knee jerk wingnuts cut the power out of paranoia to avoid grid surges
This whole thing was so over blown by the fear mongers and the govern - MINT...
Just like that earthquake you East coasties got a week or so a go...
Its the END OF THE WORLD...over and over and over again...
FEAR...SELL IT...then provide the SOLUTION or ANSWER
Total joke...the only thing more pathetic are the suckers who bite; hook, line and sinker
Shutting the subway systems down in New York and Boston?...what a bunch of BS
go tell that to my Sister and her husband who just lost their home down in Brunswick county due to flood waters and wind or my Long Time friend who lives down at Emerald Isle and whose home has suffered catastrophic water damage/wind damage....
10 People dead so far and over 300,000 ( in NC alone ) without power due to trees blown across power lines, power line poles snapped into , also without water and some are closed off because of flood waters & debris etc......
......must be nice to be a naive know it all........ as if you have 1st hand knowledge of what is going on over here....... and think people are blowing this crap out of proportion
sometimes the posts one reads on certian subjects in this O'club will almost make ya want to puke from disgust of the arrogant stunninghunks typing the trash talk...... lot of damn egotistical t e s t i c l e faces on these forums
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Go pull my car out of the water oneway. Then I'll proclaim you as overseer.
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go tell that to my Sister and her husband who just lost their home down in Brunswick county due to flood waters and wind or my Long Time friend who lives down at Emerald Isle and whose home has suffered catastrophic water damage/wind damage....
10 People dead so far and over 300,000 ( in NC alone ) without power due to trees blown across power lines, power line poles snapped into , also without water and some are closed off because of flood waters & debris etc......
......must be nice to be a naive know it all........ as if you have 1st hand knowledge of what is going on over here....... and think people are blowing this crap out of proportion
sometimes the posts one reads on certian subjects in this O'club will almost make ya want to puke from disgust of the arrogant overthunks typing the trash talk...... lot of damn egotistical t e s t i c l e faces on these forums
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I couldn't agree more with you Tequila.
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I think you need to up a cessna and give me wind readings inside this thing. :devil
i got no electricity since 930 last night. running on generator right now
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Pardon me for being foolish, but here in Houston, we have a reason to be kinda pis@ed off at the Government.
As I stated earlier about Hurricane Rita:
Rita Landed as a strong Cat 3 Hurricane and we were told to evacuate here in Houston.
Now from the entire storm ONLY 7 People died directly related to the storm. 113 Died indirectly...90 of those died ON HOUSTON EVACUATION ROUTES!!!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/RitaHoustonEvacuation.jpg)
I would of had a better chance staying at home with the Cat 3 hurricane! And that is exactly what we did during Hurricane Ike...no problems except being without power for two weeks, which was actually quite nice :)
Now here is my opinion, in the Gulf we are way more prepared for a hurricane than anywhere else in the United States. Everything on the coast down here is rated to hold during a Cat 3 storm, at least anything new. Is this the same for the East Coast? If not, then it is the fault of the citizens that live there for not voting to improve infrastructure to withstand Cat 3 hurricanes, including flood gates, walls, ect.
You can tell me all day that these storms rarely happen and it's not worth the investment, but the fact is they do happen, and they will happen. Better be safe then sorry, right?
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A new inlet was cut at the northern edge of Rodanthe on the outer banks(same place as nights of rodanthe movie, S curves for anyone ever been down there)
(http://forum.reddrumtackle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4753&d=1314551120)
(http://forum.reddrumtackle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4754&d=1314551121)
(http://forum.reddrumtackle.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4752&d=1314551117)
link to article
http://hamptonroads.com/2011/08/nc-12-washes-out-rodanthe-stranding-hundreds (http://hamptonroads.com/2011/08/nc-12-washes-out-rodanthe-stranding-hundreds)
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Now here is my opinion, in the Gulf we are way more prepared for a hurricane than anywhere else in the United States. Everything on the coast down here is rated to hold during a Cat 3 storm, at least anything new. Is this the same for the East Coast? If not, then it is the fault of the citizens that live there for not voting to improve infrastructure to withstand Cat 3 hurricanes, including flood gates, walls, ect.
You can tell me all day that these storms rarely happen and it's not worth the investment, but the fact is they do happen, and they will happen. Better be safe then sorry, right?
Based on that logic, why is your infrastructure not built to withstand Cat 5 hurricanes? They rarely happen but the fact is they do happen, and they will happen.
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Pardon me for being foolish, but here in Houston, we have a reason to be kinda pis@ed off at the Government.
As I stated earlier about Hurricane Rita:
Rita Landed as a strong Cat 3 Hurricane and we were told to evacuate here in Houston.
Now from the entire storm ONLY 7 People died directly related to the storm. 113 Died indirectly...90 of those died ON HOUSTON EVACUATION ROUTES!!!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/RitaHoustonEvacuation.jpg)
I would of had a better chance staying at home with the Cat 3 hurricane! And that is exactly what we did during Hurricane Ike...no problems except being without power for two weeks, which was actually quite nice :)
Now here is my opinion, in the Gulf we are way more prepared for a hurricane than anywhere else in the United States. Everything on the coast down here is rated to hold during a Cat 3 storm, at least anything new. Is this the same for the East Coast? If not, then it is the fault of the citizens that live there for not voting to improve infrastructure to withstand Cat 3 hurricanes, including flood gates, walls, ect.
You can tell me all day that these storms rarely happen and it's not worth the investment, but the fact is they do happen, and they will happen. Better be safe then sorry, right?
not to be mean.....but there is more reason to be pissed at the ignorant/impatient/careless/reckless people that were causing the collisions that caused the deaths.
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FlipperK,
I was angry more along the lines of the previous comments from various posters about
pansies, East coasties, suckers, hook biters etc.........
on that logic..... I could easily post " We all know everything is bigger in Texas, even Rush Evacuation Panic Hysteria" or "Texas does things bigger, like mass F up on evacuating, with no adherence to orderly fashion"
if I was to post such a smart remark regarding the picture of the traffic jam you posted........ ( these were just examples, and I do not think like this when it comes to disasters )
besides, Building Structures built to hold up to/withstand any Hurricane Category / Wind Category are just that... they are built to withstand "WIND" ... they are not built to withstand a 2 ton tree falling on them or water that is 8 foot deep and rushing like a river.....
it is very easy for others to sit back and flame names at those who are in the danger zone and act as if it happened to them , they would shrug it off their big broad shoulders like flicking a fly off their arm..... with their chest puffed out and gut sucked in......
done with this thread....
TC
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not to be mean.....but there is more reason to be pissed at the ignorant/impatient/careless/reckless people that were causing the collisions that caused the deaths.
It wasn't wrecks, that picture is from the actual evacuation. We were moving at literally 5MPH until we hit the edge of Houston.
"Some probably refused to leave because they'd been caught in the chaotic evacuation for Hurricane Rita in 2005, he said.
During that event, roads out of Houston became gridlocked. Officials later estimated that about 90 people died during the 2005 evacuation because of heatstroke, dehydration, and other causes. "
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080926-hurricane-ike-evacuation.html
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watching some news, and things could be a lot worse....but they're still pretty badtoo. manyunk has flooded sections. philly has damage. problems here in nj. as i said, i've no electricity right now. i'm running on a generator, which i bought last year. it barley powers this computer.....i won't plug my gaming rig into it.
i've not yet seen any reports of death or injury related to moving people out of the danger zones....and there were over a million evacuated in nj alone.
in my neighborhood, we've already all been outside helping each other do what needs to be done as best as we can.
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It wasn't wrecks, that picture is from the actual evacuation. We were moving at literally 5MPH until we hit the edge of Houston.
"Some probably refused to leave because they'd been caught in the chaotic evacuation for Hurricane Rita in 2005, he said.
During that event, roads out of Houston became gridlocked. Officials later estimated that about 90 people died during the 2005 evacuation because of heatstroke, dehydration, and other causes. "
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/09/080926-hurricane-ike-evacuation.html
ok....now i'm gonna sound REALLY bad.......heatstroke, and dehydration probably went hand in hand. did those people never hear of water? did they not listen to warnings, and prepare....as we all did here? c\define "other" causes.
as much as i hate govt. interference, i cannot find good reason to blame those deaths on the govt. here in nj, there were over a million evacuated from the danger zones, without incident. they heeded warnings, prepared, and evac'd in an orderly fashion.
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ok....now i'm gonna sound REALLY bad.......heatstroke, and dehydration probably went hand in hand. did those people never hear of water? did they not listen to warnings, and prepare....as we all did here? c\define "other" causes.
as much as i hate govt. interference, i cannot find good reason to blame those deaths on the govt. here in nj, there were over a million evacuated from the danger zones, without incident. they heeded warnings, prepared, and evac'd in an orderly fashion.
Houston is much bigger than NJ CAP...WAY BIGGER. Nearly all gas stations ran out of gas two DAYS before the storm hit. With a the roads in gridlock there was no way to get gas once you ran out. It was a scorching hot day, no winds, and on the road for hours and hours on end.
From Wiki:
Average travel times to Dallas were 24–36 hours, travel times to Austin were 12–18 hours and travel times to San Antonio were 10–16 hours. Many motorists ran out of gas or experienced breakdowns in temperatures that neared 100 °F (38 °C). Traffic volumes did not ease for nearly 48 hours as more than three million residents evacuated the area in advance of the storm.This was the largest evacuation in U.S. history.
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Houston is much bigger than NJ CAP...WAY BIGGER. Nearly all gas stations ran out of gas two DAYS before the storm hit. With a the roads in gridlock there was no way to get gas once you ran out. It was a scorching hot day, no winds, and on the road for hours and hours on end.
From Wiki:
Average travel times to Dallas were 24–36 hours, travel times to Austin were 12–18 hours and travel times to San Antonio were 10–16 hours. Many motorists ran out of gas or experienced breakdowns in temperatures that neared 100 °F (38 °C). Traffic volumes did not ease for nearly 48 hours as more than three million residents evacuated the area in advance of the storm.This was the largest evacuation in U.S. history.
i understand that. it does not create valid reasons for the problems.
shore gas stations on thursday night, looked like the fuel rationing days of 1979 all over again. i would imagine they ran out of gas that night. traffic was only leaving on that night by the rt49/rt55 route. for whatever reason, no one thought of using the garden state parkway, which would've been a quick way out.
even so, there were traffic jams on the way out,which i avoided by using the gsp. there were no collisions that i observed on my way into cape may county that night.
on friday morning. the evac became mandatory, tolls were suspended on the gsp, and the atlantic city expressway. all inboud traffic was halted, and the evac proceeded calmly, and orderly, from what i can tell. a friend of mine is a truck driver, and was doing his route down that way friday around 5am....and ran into traffic. it pissed him off, but it was orderly.
anyway, i feel it's either time to get back on topic of the hurricane, or back out, before we get the thread locked, as will happen........
also, put on some news from over this way. you'll see it was worse than you think.......
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another cut has been shown in the island, looks worse than the other one.
http://ow.ly/i/gqd3/original (http://ow.ly/i/gqd3/original)
Air Pictures
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/311173_10150278972342036_46472432035_7950249_4279438_n.jpg)
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/304163_10150278973182036_46472432035_7950252_2453266_n.jpg)
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After seeing how it hit the outer banks(hatteras, cape lookout, etc). This storm was no joke and defiantly not hyped up.
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/316130_148240315262430_112988558787606_278583_7921591_n.jpg)
That's pretty damn scary.
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It's Sunday evening here on Long Island, and the wind is dying down.
As I thought, the hype was way over-played relative to where we live. Wind speeds peaked in the mid 60 mph range (in gusts). We didn't lose power. One cedar shake came adrift, but I found it and nailed it back on. Two fence slats were knocked off, but that was a simple repair. I washed the cars, washed the Jeep, hosed off the driveway and picked up a pizza for dinner.
My neighbor lost a maple, that had its root system damaged when the town put in a storm drain a few years ago. There's another tree down a few streets over, but by and large, the damage was minor.
The single biggest issue here is the loss of power. This is because there are many very large, very old trees. Damage to property not related to trees is really inconsequential.
The real damage is largely south and west of here, where the storm surge and heavy rain have caused flooding and erosion. Nonetheless, this was a minor hurricane that the press and governments hyped as the pending apocalypse.
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It's Sunday evening here on Long Island, and the wind is dying down.
As I thought, the hype was way over-played relative to where we live. Wind speeds peaked in the mid 60 mph range (in gusts). We didn't lose power. One cedar shake came adrift, but I found it and nailed it back on. Two fence slats were knocked off, but that was a simple repair. I washed the cars, washed the Jeep, hosed off the driveway and picked up a pizza for dinner.
My neighbor lost a maple, that had its root system damaged when the town put in a storm drain a few years ago. There's another tree down a few streets over, but by and large, the damage was minor.
The single biggest issue here is the loss of power. This is because there are many very large, very old trees. Damage to property not related to trees is really inconsequential.
The real damage is largely south and west of here, where the storm surge and heavy rain have caused flooding and erosion. Nonetheless, this was a minor hurricane that the press and governments hyped as the pending apocalypse.
wat to go snappy.......now we;'re gonna start hearing "told ya so" from the naysayers.
that being said.....i truly am glad it missed you sir.
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It's Sunday evening here on Long Island, and the wind is dying down.
As I thought, the hype was way over-played relative to where we live. Wind speeds peaked in the mid 60 mph range (in gusts). We didn't lose power. One cedar shake came adrift, but I found it and nailed it back on. Two fence slats were knocked off, but that was a simple repair. I washed the cars, washed the Jeep, hosed off the driveway and picked up a pizza for dinner.
My neighbor lost a maple, that had its root system damaged when the town put in a storm drain a few years ago. There's another tree down a few streets over, but by and large, the damage was minor.
The single biggest issue here is the loss of power. This is because there are many very large, very old trees. Damage to property not related to trees is really inconsequential.
The real damage is largely south and west of here, where the storm surge and heavy rain have caused flooding and erosion. Nonetheless, this was a minor hurricane that the press and governments hyped as the pending apocalypse.
I guess the national hurricane center hyped it up also. :rolleyes:
Instead of being grateful it turned out to be less severe than what it very well could have been, you are whining about the inconvenience it caused. The sad thing is, next time a hurricane comes barreling towards the New York area and things don't turn out as fortunately as they did this time around, New Yorker's will use this hurricane as an excuse to stick around and get killed.
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Well, I for one am glad it lost strength as it did. We didn't get the rain like others did - but it's still windy enough to make you wonder how the boats are doing in the mooring field. I went out for a look and in certain sections of the harbor, (Edgartown, MA), it was pretty rough. This harbor gets pretty nasty in southerly winds. Both my son's boats are still where they were left, but we are still getting pretty strong southerly winds - going to ssw as time goes on and conditions will improve.
Anyway, I hope everyone who was in the path of this storm is safe and dry.. maybe even celebrating a little. Now, where's that Christmas vodka ?
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I guess the national hurricane center hyped it up also. :rolleyes:
Instead of being grateful it turned out to be less severe than what it very well could have been, you are whining about the inconvenience it caused. The sad thing is, next time a hurricane comes barreling towards the New York area and things don't turn out as fortunately as they did this time around, New Yorker's will use this hurricane as an excuse to stick around and get killed.
Yep. Complacency will no doubt end being a factor for future hurricanes in the New England region.
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I guess the national hurricane center hyped it up also. :rolleyes:
Instead of being grateful it turned out to be less severe than what it very well could have been, you are whining about the inconvenience it caused. The sad thing is, next time a hurricane comes barreling towards the New York area and things don't turn out as fortunately as they did this time around, New Yorker's will use this hurricane as an excuse to stick around and get killed.
what will happen now, is that when this happens again....and it will........people will act just like the naysayers here. they'll say they don't need to leave, and won't.
then they'll wake up half buried under water, and debris, and call for help..... but help won't be able to get to them, due to the conditions. then when it's all over, they'll come down on whomever they see first that may have been a figure of authority, claiming that they didn't do enough for them. even though they had been warned for days to get out. :rolleyes:
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Not able to search at the moment but can someone post some links/pictures of what happened in vermont?
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And the media hype is no different than the HTC BBS hype...............J/K! :bolt:
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Not able to search at the moment but can someone post some links/pictures of what happened in vermont?
http://www.weather.com/weather/hurricanecentral/article/raging-waters-in-vermont-hurricane-irene_2011-08-28
Holy hell Vermont got it bad.
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I guess the national hurricane center hyped it up also. :rolleyes:
Instead of being grateful it turned out to be less severe than what it very well could have been, you are whining about the inconvenience it caused. The sad thing is, next time a hurricane comes barreling towards the New York area and things don't turn out as fortunately as they did this time around, New Yorker's will use this hurricane as an excuse to stick around and get killed.
First and foremost, I have not whined at all. Moreover, the National Hurricane Center was the only source for fact, rather than hype. Several meteorologists predicted than the storm would stay west and fizzle before it hit NYC and Long Island. However, they were a distant voice to the major news outlets overstating the danger to our area.
I spent two days preparing our house for this storm... Detailed outside inspection found that my big awning needed to be reinforced. I sister'd the columns with 4X4s, and lashed the whole thing to eye bolts in the concrete with no-stretch, 1/2" Dacron line. I ran in three more lag bolts to reinforce the channel mounting on the house. It didn't even flutter. Everything not nailed down was stored in the garage or our hurricane- resistant shed. I assisted two neighbors in getting their stuff put away as it was a threat to my property. One neighbor was unconcerned that he had three fence sections just leaning against his garage (he's been installing a new fence on his weekends). It took just a minute to convince him that if my property were damaged by it, our next meeting wouldn't involve much talking. I helped him carry the sections into his garage (some people are simply too stupid or ignorant to understand that leaving hazardous items loose in a hurricane is borderline criminal). My rear slider doors have pre-cut plywood covers, that bolt into the frame. There is a small emergency door (secured with two simple dead bolts) in the one section to allow escape should it be necessary. I bolted them in place. I went up on the roof and inspected both skylights. I troweled some fresh sealant onto flashing.
When everything was done outside, we gassed up all of the vehicles. I filled two 5 gallon Jerry cans with gasoline for the generator. We had 15 gallons of drinking water on hand and another 15 for washing and flushing. I already had almost two full propane bottles for the grill, which we use all summer anyway. We were as ready as anyone can be... Yet, you can never truly be ready for a genuine major hurricane. A cat 1 wasn't going to be a big problem. A cat 2 might do some damage to the house. A cat 3 will do some damage to the house. Above that, unless you've built the house to withstand a cat 4 or 5, you are pretty much depending upon fate and the good will of God. You can't prep for a cat 4 or 5... You really need to evacuate to a secure shelter.
I planned for the worst, but fully expected the hurricane run out of gas, based upon its track and the fact that no hurricane tracking on the coast can maintain its power. The eyewall collapsed well before it made landfall. Its expanding wind field was reliable evidence of weakening, as opposed to a small, tight, powerful storm.
Irene was a major headache, especially in NC. The greatest issue wasn't the wind, it was the rain and coastal flooding. Even so, up here on the Northeast coastline, the storm surge wouldn't be nearly as bad as advertised because much of the storm was tracking over land. However, where I live, neither was a factor. Most of the rain fell to the west side of the storm and we're 80 feet above sea level.
Were we lucky? No. This was not a dangerous storm for us. For other areas? You bet.. Having lived through 5 hurricanes, all stronger than Irene, and having ridden one out at sea, Irene wasn't a major hurricane for the northeast in terms of wind and storm surge. It was only marginally stronger than the Nor'easter we had last December (26" of snow driven by 50 mph winds, that knocked down two of my trees). It was, however, a huge rainmaker, and that will be its legacy.
Now, what happens when the next cat 3 or 4 makes landfall in the USA? Will the media hype of Irene backfire? That's the problem with the many 24 hour news channels... They over-hype everything in competition for audience share, which eventually desensitizes people to real danger.
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Cleaning up now. WW was correct when he said it was a major rain producer. We got almost 10" up here in NW NJ. Our basement flooded when sump pump seized up and Lost power for 10hrs around 4am and that killed any idea of stemming the tide with 2 wet dry vacs. Got 4" of water in furnished basement. Most of good stuff was higher then that so we lost a bunch of garbage IMO. Gaming computer safe and I moved my rudder pedals to high ground :)
Wish list includes spare sump pump and Generator.
Cheers,
gus
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Cleaning up now. WW was correct when he said it was a major rain producer. We got almost 10" up here in NW NJ. Our basement flooded when sump pump seized up and Lost power for 10hrs around 4am and that killed any idea of stemming the tide with 2 wet dry vacs. Got 4" of water in furnished basement. Most of good stuff was higher then that so we lost a bunch of garbage IMO. Gaming computer safe and I moved my rudder pedals to high ground :)
Wish list includes spare sump pump and Generator.
Cheers,
gus
down here near cherry hill area, we got lots o rain, and wind. just now, i was told by the mechanic across the street from my shop, that although we have power here, just up kresson road, there is none. they expect a couple days till they get it back there.
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well this is the town I live in...well part of it anyway :O
a few covered bridges went down and I guess a damn broke in a town north of us.
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/287630_2274383146648_1460765832_2529342_2180478_o.jpg)
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that can't be possible. some on here predicted this would be a mere drizzle by the time it got up to you.
you and yours safe, right?
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that can't be possible. some on here predicted this would be a mere drizzle by the time it got up to you.
you and yours safe, right?
oh ya, we lost power for all of 5 minutes :rofl
others around here were not so lucky, they still don't have power, and many lost everything they had.
still better then being dead.
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well this is the town I live in...well part of it anyway :O
a few covered bridges went down and I guess a damn broke in a town north of us.
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/287630_2274383146648_1460765832_2529342_2180478_o.jpg)
There is a lot of that going on around here, also.
As of right now, neither the Schuylkill, nor the Delaware rivers have reached full crest, yet.
It is expected that they will crest anywhere from 3 - 11 feet above their flood stage (no, not 3-11 ft. total, but 3-11 ft. ABOVE what is considered flood level for the naysayers) There are a lot of towns along the rivers that are very nervous right now.
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There is a lot of that going on around here, also.
As of right now, neither the Schuylkill, nor the Delaware rivers have reached full crest, yet.
It is expected that they will crest anywhere from 3 - 11 feet above their flood stage (no, not 3-11 ft. total, but 3-11 ft. ABOVE what is considered flood level for the naysayers) There are a lot of towns along the rivers that are very nervous right now.
i thought i hear em talking about the schukill going down some, as it had been the cause of flooding in manyunk?
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i thought i hear em talking about the schukill going down some, as it had been the cause of flooding in manyunk?
As of 0630 this morning, KYW 1060 was reporting that water level was still on the rise.
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As of 0630 this morning, KYW 1060 was reporting that water level was still on the rise.
woohoo!! my friend lives about 7 miles north....she's gonna have fun gettin to work.
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woohoo!! my friend lives about 7 miles north....she's gonna have fun gettin to work.
The Perkiomen creek did it's usual flooding this time, but made it up past 1st Ave. in Collegeville. :O
Since the Delaware is usually last to crest around here: New Hope, Lambertville, Washington's Crossing, etc all have their eyes on the water level. :noid
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This was not over hyped. I hope all affected are in safe hands.
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Debris line on Delaware is starting to recede.
Still warnings for South Jersey.
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Debris line on Delaware is starting to recede.
Good to hear. A couple of years ago (prior to being a property adjuster) I rebuilt a restaurant right on the Delaware in Yardley PA (2004 flood, courtesy of Hurricane Ivan, 10ft deep in the place). Finished it on a Friday, handed the insured the keys and got a call 2 days later.....8ft of water t/o the place, rebuilt it again, this time lifting the place up to avoid the issue :aok. Funny thing was we asked the guy that owned the place the first time that we could redo the place and have the foundation raised, his response "this is a 100yr flood, I wont be around to see this happen again". He was wrong, It was exactly 4months to the second flood, and has flooded 2 times since.
After the 2nd time
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The Delaware can be a vicious little *!^@h.
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My Guard unit was on standby for like 40 hours because of this storm, ready for a 3-5 week deployment. Never happened :( Would've liked to have had an opportunity to help Americans for a change. :angel:
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I live in South Jersey, we just got power back a little before 9PM tonight.
Other than that nothing major, just trees and stuff around town getting cleaned up.
:cheers: Oz
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I live in South Jersey, we just got power back a little before 9PM tonight.
Other than that nothing major, just trees and stuff around town getting cleaned up.
:cheers: Oz
South Brunswick here. Lost power sat night and still waiting. The "canned"answer is this weekend. In the meantime. I'm running off a small generator. a freezer,fridge, tv. plugging in cells and laptops to charge. No internet but, managed to rig up a rudimentary over the air antenna for the tv. Lemme tell ya. if your Japanese. over the air is the way to go. I never knew there were so many Japanese stations LOL.. Can get in CBS,NBC, and sometimes FOX. with damn good clarity. Anyway. Better then staring at the walls like most are stuck doing in this area. BTW. if your stuck for lighting and don't want to burn candles in rooms that are often unattended. those cheap little solar landscape lights are a dandy option for rooms like bathrooms where you only need to see well enough to find the can. Anyway. improving living conditions more every day and getting plenty of sleep for a change. Feel almost like a suburban survival man. And by the time services are restored. I may not even care. LOL
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My Guard unit was on standby for like 40 hours because of this storm, ready for a 3-5 week deployment. Never happened :( Would've liked to have had an opportunity to help Americans for a change. :angel:
Gnucks,
Pass this on to your unit from those of us who have had the benefit of the Guard pitching in to bring in water, security and normalcy to our splintered lives, be it ever so slightly mangled.
"Just hearing that you guys are on watch, was a big vote in confidence that my community would be in safe hands." :salute I pray that all of your families made it through with little if any inconvenience.
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Power is out and two very large trees went through the neighbors house. Power
has been out since 6pm EST. Gloucester Virginia here. Cat 1 or 5 this isn't fun either way hahaha.
James,
I live accross the Rappahanock River and 12 miles inland from the Bay in Heathsville, Virginia. We are just getting our internet towers back a few minutes ago.
I was able to save the siding and roofing on my home by some preventive limb cutting and short encounter face to face with Irene to recover the panels of siding in my front yard. The majority of the community got their power back on yesterday. We were more fortunate due to the huge efforts by the tree cutters both prior to and immediately after the storm.
What annoyed me the most about the media, was the constant talk of NYC, even while the storm was stuck over NC, the media seemed to spend 80% of the face time talking about the danger to NYC.
I am hoping to hear from you and CrazyIvn (lives across the Bay in Maryland Eastern Shore). Widewing, I am also happy to hear you and yours are okay. So sorry to hear of the losses from others. My brother in Somerset, NJ lost power and unable to sustain his generator power for his sub pump, had 5 ft. of water in his basement. In typical family fashion, he paddled around in his basement on a cooler, entertaining my neice. :lol
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you wanna talk annoying? the media talks about every state she hit......except nj. :bolt:
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Probably a size does matter thing. :P
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you wanna talk annoying? the media talks about every state she hit......except nj. :bolt:
CNN spent quite a while discussing and showing Paterson CAP. Of course the Passaic river floods all the time
and that usually makes good tv. CNET mentioned em too..just not south Jersey.
http://cnettv.cnet.com/record-flood-drowns-paterson-n-j/9742-1_53-50110669.html (http://cnettv.cnet.com/record-flood-drowns-paterson-n-j/9742-1_53-50110669.html)
Just my own opinion, but Paterson flooding probably did millions of dollars worth of improvements :D
<Just joking, so please no one get all sensitive and stuff>
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New Joisey didn't make the news? Not even with this? http://www.videofantastica.com/view_video/105424/ :rofl
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CNN spent quite a while discussing and showing Paterson CAP. Of course the Passaic river floods all the time
and that usually makes good tv. CNET mentioned em too..just not south Jersey.
http://cnettv.cnet.com/record-flood-drowns-paterson-n-j/9742-1_53-50110669.html (http://cnettv.cnet.com/record-flood-drowns-paterson-n-j/9742-1_53-50110669.html)
Just my own opinion, but Paterson flooding probably did millions of dollars worth of improvements :D
<Just joking, so please no one get all sensitive and stuff>
everything i had read online, kept saying "virginia, north carolina, new york, and then went north. even the courier post, a new jersey papar seemed to talk more about everywhere 'cept here.
i heard on 101.5 about paterson flooding yesterday. it sounds nasty, and i hope everyone up that way's ok.
oh....that would be princeton, or newark....if they flooded, there'd be tons of improvement. or camden, down here in south jersey..........
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Im not sure they could deliniate between flood damages and normal homes in Camden
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Im not sure they could deliniate between flood damages and normal homes in Camden
the flood damaged homes are the ones without graffiti, and without scorch marks. they'll also be a bit cleaner, as the used needles, and crack pipes will have washed away. :noid