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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: kamori on August 27, 2011, 07:56:11 PM
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I know of a AR manufacturer about to release one in a 30-06.......That will ROCK.
What do you think?
KAM
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I know of a AR manufacturer about to release one in a 30-06.......That will ROCK.
What do you think?
KAM
Which manufacturer is that??? With all the AR-10 platforms in 7.62 NATO (.308 Win), it'd be foolish to go so far to produce an entirely new frame.
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They're not the first.
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Which manufacturer is that??? With all the AR-10 platforms in 7.62 NATO (.308 Win), it'd be foolish to go so far to produce an entirely new frame.
Foolish? Really...I think Not, Theres a large untaped market for the larger cal. 30-06 is also .270 compatible. Thinking like the sheep keep you in the flock...
KAM
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I see no need for this. Get a solid bolt action or just keep shooting .308. Or get a .50BMG. Or get something else that has a useful application.
Mall Ninja will get you nowhere. This is somewhere in the category of a gold plated Desert Eagle .50AE...
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I see no need for this. Get a solid bolt action or just keep shooting .308. Or get a .50BMG. Or get something else that has a useful application.
Mall Ninja will get you nowhere. This is somewhere in the category of a gold plated Desert Eagle .50AE...
Ill never get one ill stay with my Model 721 Remington made in 1957. There are more and more using theses AR's for hunting....Not my desire but at a 30-06 its bound to be good. BTW I get to shoot one of the prototypes.... :)
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who is the manufacturer, Kam?
also, have any of you seen this guy on youtube, who calls himself a "Professional Russian"......... he actually says this in his youtube videos..cracks me up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8 <--- for giggles
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who is the manufacturer, Kam?
also, have any of you seen this guy on youtube, who calls himself a "Professional Russian"......... he actually says this in his youtube videos..cracks me up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8 <--- for giggles
I would really like his videos if it wasnt for the crappy (fake) Russian accent.
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who is the manufacturer, Kam?
also, have any of you seen this guy on youtube, who calls himself a "Professional Russian"......... he actually says this in his youtube videos..cracks me up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8 <--- for giggles
he is a professional russian. trust him, he drives tanks thru the mcdonalds drive thru. :rofl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyoAP10uKTk
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Off topic a bit but.......I really like the browning BLR-80 lightweight takedown in stainless steel.
It's also one of the few lever actions that can use pointed tip bullets.
(http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv314/1911canebrake/long%20gun/BLR-Lt-Wt-81-Stainless-Takedown-MID-034015-x1l-1.jpg)
(http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv314/1911canebrake/long%20gun/BLR-Lt-Wt-81-Stainless-Takedown-MID-034015-l-1.jpg)
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I see no need for this. Get a solid bolt action or just keep shooting .308. Or get a .50BMG. Or get something else that has a useful application.
Mall Ninja will get you nowhere. This is somewhere in the category of a gold plated Desert Eagle .50AE...
Totally Agree
And besides..the magwell on an AR can barely contain the 6.5, let alone the '06
Dumb dumber and dumbest
Out
Oneway
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Totally Agree
And besides..the magwell on an AR can barely contain the 6.5, let alone the '06
Dumb dumber and dumbest
Out
Oneway
Yeah, next thing you know someone will want a .338 Lapua on an AR platform. Like that will happen. :rolleyes:
I see no need for this. Get a solid bolt action or just keep shooting .308. Or get a .50BMG. Or get something else that has a useful application.
Mall Ninja will get you nowhere. This is somewhere in the category of a gold plated Desert Eagle .50AE...
You don't want one so there is no need ? Don't get a 30-06 get a 50 BMG, mall ninja. What an odd response.
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Yeah, next thing you know someone will want a .338 Lapua on an AR platform. Like that will happen. :rolleyes:
You don't want one so there is no need ? Don't get a 30-06 get a 50 BMG, mall ninja. What an odd response.
LIKE THAT WILL HAPPEN, HADURRHHDROOLDROOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ciFi-1YYdM
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:D
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Your kidding right?
An '06 Frankenstein AR is not an AR-15
In fact it is a perverted variant...and because it goes 'BANG' when you pull the trigger,
in no way makes it an AR...it has no meaning or place in defining what an AR is
Likewise....I can mod an 870 to shoot '06...at which point, it is no longer an 870
Get a grip
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Your kidding right?
An '06 Frankenstein AR is not an AR-15
Never said it was an AR-15.
Said it was an AR.
I think, sir, that you're the one who should be 'getting a grip'.
And yes, if your 870 shoots an '06, it's still an 870.
It just shoots an '06.
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The reason for an AR is to give you rifle ballistics in a small package, but once you get into the long action category you might as well go back to a Bolt gun for the simple fact that you no longer need that close quarters part of the ar because with ammo that size you should be sitting nice and safe at a respectable range. not blasting your way through a house like your carring an MP5 or something. Plus I just dont think the barrel on a AR frame will get you a whole lot from the '06 round.
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Pretty sure these guys building weapons on AR platforms may just have themselves a clue.
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The title made me laugh so hard! Thanks, needed that this morning.
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Pretty sure these guys building weapons on AR platforms may just have themselves a clue.
The engineering has been done from the ground up. I wont reveal the manufacturer yet but will once I know its in production I will. They would not go here unless there was a market. Theres already a large .308 market but little options out there, This is being targeted at the same time as the 30-06. Trust me people are wanting more use out of their AR Style rifles besides target practice or filling a tree full of lead or shooting beer bottles, so hunting is a great avenue to explore for a rifle like this.
Heres an elk taken with an AR-.308 I would not go after an elk with a .308 This one was taken at 80feet in thick timber a good shot but still a high chance of wounding a animal.
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj212/skerlock/elk_2010.jpg)
For those Nay sayers about wounding ELK. I have tracked 3 different animals over the years that some yahoo hit multiple times with a small caliber. One had 3 rounds through its hind quarters and one shoulder hit. 3 of us tracked and jumped that elk for a whole day in thick timber and finally were able to put it out of its misery. Pathetic Hunter who did that to that elk.
KAM
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The title made me laugh so hard! Thanks, needed that this morning.
More thoughts here? Looks like a Legitimate term.
http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/hunting/2009/05/fs-picks-25-best-ar-style-rifles
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How does shooting an elk with a .308 translate into "high chance of wounding the animal"?
The .308 Win will cleanly take any Elk on the planet and at a lot longer range then 80 yrds. I bet more Elk have been cripped by yahoos shooting .300 & .338 mags then by .308 Wins. Most of all the Weatherbys, the rifle of choice for boneheads who all of a sudden at middle age decide they are big game hunters. Or who show up with their laser range finders.
The engineering has been done from the ground up. I wont reveal the manufacturer yet but will once I know its in production I will. They would not go here unless there was a market. Theres already a large .308 market but little options out there, This is being targeted at the same time as the 30-06. Trust me people are wanting more use out of their AR Style rifles besides target practice or filling a tree full of lead or shooting beer bottles, so hunting is a great avenue to explore for a rifle like this.
Heres an elk taken with an AR-.308 I would not go after an elk with a .308 This one was taken at 80feet in thick timber a good shot but still a high chance of wounding a animal.
For those Nay sayers about wounding ELK. I have tracked 3 different animals over the years that some yahoo hit multiple times with a small caliber. One had 3 rounds through its hind quarters and one shoulder hit. 3 of us tracked and jumped that elk for a whole day in thick timber and finally were able to put it out of its misery. Pathetic Hunter who did that to that elk.
KAM
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Foolish? Really...I think Not, Theres a large untaped market for the larger cal. 30-06 is also .270 compatible. Thinking like the sheep keep you in the flock...
KAM
The 30-06 is the same caliber as the .308. And I agree, there is no reason to produce this version.
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How does shooting an elk with a .308 translate into "high chance of wounding the animal"?
The .308 Win will cleanly take any Elk on the planet and at a lot longer range then 80 yrds. I bet more Elk have been cripped by yahoos shooting .300 & .338 mags then by .308 Wins. Most of all the Weatherbys, the rifle of choice for boneheads who all of a sudden at middle age decide they are big game hunters. Or who show up with their laser range finders.
First of all nobody said 80 yards.
Secondly, There is a big difference in .308 and 30-06. The cartridge is smaller than a 30-06. This translates in velocity and kinetic energy stored differences. This Idea that someone always gets a perfect kill shot is ridiculous. Ive been hunting Elk for 32 years. Ive seen all kinds of situations where a .308 or .270 will not have the stopping power. Its the Kinetic energy that will drop a 600 lb. animal if the shot isn't in a PERFECT spot. I wouldn't go after an elk with a .308 Its irresponsible in my experience. In my point of view the first concern should always be the animal and how quickly you can take its life.
Heres some great documentation on the .30 cal debate.
http://home.earthlink.net/~manzanovalph/Compared30Calibers.pdf
KAm
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been done already.
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First of all nobody said 80 yards.
Secondly, There is a big difference in .308 and 30-06. The cartridge is smaller than a 30-06. This translates in velocity and kinetic energy stored differences. This Idea that someone always gets a perfect kill shot is ridiculous. Ive been hunting Elk for 32 years. Ive seen all kinds of situations where a .308 or .270 will not have the stopping power. Its the Kinetic energy that will drop a 600 lb. animal if the shot isn't in a PERFECT spot. I wouldn't go after an elk with a .308 Its irresponsible in my experience. In my point of view the first concern should always be the animal and how quickly you can take its life.
Heres some great documentation on the .30 cal debate.
http://home.earthlink.net/~manzanovalph/Compared30Calibers.pdf
KAm
No, I think you have been hunting for one year, 32 times, or you would have known the 30-06 is the same caliber as the .308 win, and you would know a .308 would stop an elk.
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Yeah good luck with that.....I never said they were not same cal. Same cal doesn't mean same velocity, trajectory and kinetic energy. I never said a .308 would not Kill and elk.....heck a .22 will kill an elk if you have the perfect shot and time.
I believe its not the best all around Bullet for the diverse conditions while hunting I.E. The different shots that happen while in the field. My experience has taught me that no matter how good of a shot someone is there are conditions beyond our control.
Nice try though...
I think that theses AR guys will benefit from the larger Round since more and more of them are starting to Hunt with them.
Kam
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I dont need to read anything cause Ive been hunting all my life. Ive hunted elk quite a bit too as well as many other big game animals in USA, Canada, Africa. Shot placement is the only thing that means anything once a adequate round/rifle is chosen, .270 Win on up. You keep talking about these "situations" youv been in when the .308 isnt enough yet you dont describe them, "fancy that". An experienced rifleman with a .308 will cleanly take an elk while a bonehead with a .338 Weatherby can cleanly cripp one at 200 yrds.
My last Elk hunt I spent an entire day helping to track down a cripp that some goofball in my party shot in the rear end from 125 yrds with a .300 Weatherby. We never got the animal. When we were sighting our rifles the first day I saw how scared this guy was of that .300 mag I told the head guide to please put my spare 3006 in his hands. Or a .270, or a .308.
Go to Africa and they think Americans are nuts with all their talk about "kinetic energy". They know that all that matters is chooseing an adequate caliber/bullet and then placing it in the animals boiler room. Ive been reloading for over 40 years so theres nothing new you can really tell me about the differences between the .308 Win and 3006. You know in all those decades of hunting you are the first person Ive ever met who describes the .308 Win as "inadequate" for Elk hunting.
First of all nobody said 80 yards.
Secondly, There is a big difference in .308 and 30-06. The cartridge is smaller than a 30-06. This translates in velocity and kinetic energy stored differences. This Idea that someone always gets a perfect kill shot is ridiculous. Ive been hunting Elk for 32 years. Ive seen all kinds of situations where a .308 or .270 will not have the stopping power. Its the Kinetic energy that will drop a 600 lb. animal if the shot isn't in a PERFECT spot. I wouldn't go after an elk with a .308 Its irresponsible in my experience. In my point of view the first concern should always be the animal and how quickly you can take its life.
Heres some great documentation on the .30 cal debate.
http://home.earthlink.net/~manzanovalph/Compared30Calibers.pdf
KAm
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I dont need to read anything cause Ive been hunting all my life. Ive hunted elk quite a bit too as well as many other big game animals in USA, Canada, Africa. Shot placement is the only thing that means anything once a adequate round/rifle is chosen, .270 Win on up. You keep talking about these "situations" youv been in when the .308 isnt enough yet you dont describe them, "fancy that". An experienced rifleman with a .308 will cleanly take an elk while a bonehead with a .338 Weatherby can cleanly cripp one at 200 yrds.
My last Elk hunt I spent an entire day helping to track down a cripp that some goofball in my party shot in the rear end from 125 yrds with a .300 Weatherby. We never got the animal. When we were sighting our rifles the first day I saw how scared this guy was of that .300 mag I told the head guide to please put my spare 3006 in his hands. Or a .270, or a .308.
Go to Africa and they think Americans are nuts with all their talk about "kinetic energy". They know that all that matters is chooseing an adequate caliber/bullet and then placing it in the animals boiler room. Ive been reloading for over 40 years so theres nothing new you can really tell me about the differences between the .308 Win and 3006. You know in all those decades of hunting you are the first person Ive ever met who describes the .308 Win as "inadequate" for Elk hunting.
Again I never said inadequate, and I love theses personal attacks..Hummm. I was clear that its my point of view. Its a debate thats as old as the calibers themselves. If you have been out that much then would you want to tell me how you don't have different shooting situations? I'm interested in that.
I hunt in a very diverse area. Heavily(dense trees), Open area(Long range possibilities), Elk at a dead run in the trees(snapshot), bedded down, hell I got one sleeping once. Some a .308 would have been fine. My last one I dont believe it would have been.
Example: 437 Yards(did the range find when we went back to drag it out) at the top of a clearing crossing left too right. He was on the trot crossing. I put my 400 yard marker(in my Burris FullfieldII) just inches under the top of his back. I panned my sight off the animal to the right( I shoot with both eyes open) and held steady(I was laying down with my pack as a rest)I waited until he came into the edge of my scope and pulled the trigger. The round hit him at the base of the neck and hit his uphill shoulder blade(furtherest from me). The round stopped at the shoulder blade where the leg joint socket is(Thats about 2" above and infront of the Heart BTW.). Its a 30-06 Nosler Accubond 180grn loaded at 2700ft per/sec. The bullets impact shattered its spine due to the KENETIC ENERGY stored. It dropped immediately. No suffering a clean kill. The Energy stored at that range is apx 500ft/lbs less from a 180 grn .308. Would a .308 have done the job, possible but I know that the 06 Does and will. I don't like to see animals suffer at all. Ive been taught that and have taught it to my kids.
That is the most time ive ever had for a shot in my years hunting up there.
What I am saying AGAIN is, I prefer the stopping power of the 30-06 round over the .308, .270. 7mm, etc. Ballistics don't lie. I like the added insurance. I have a good friend in Alaska that grew up hunting here in Montana and hes told me many times the shooting is easier than we have it here where we grew up hunting. I think he means is that Mostly theres more time for the shot due to the larger animal population and LESS Hunting pressure. Again thats HIS point of view, yours may be different.
I thought this was a great tool that Burris put out... http://www.burrisoptics.com/pdf/BALLPLEX.pdf
Please HUNTING in AFRICA, Thats a totally different debate.
Tootles :)
KAM
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Again I never said inadequate, and I love theses personal attacks..Hummm. I was clear that its my point of view. Its a debate thats as old as the calibers themselves. If you have been out that much then would you want to tell me how you don't have different shooting situations? I'm interested in that.
I hunt in a very diverse area. Heavily(dense trees), Open area(Long range possibilities), Elk at a dead run in the trees(snapshot), bedded down, hell I got one sleeping once. Some a .308 would have been fine. My last one I dont believe it would have been.
Example: 437 Yards(did the range find when we went back to drag it out) at the top of a clearing crossing left too right. He was on the trot crossing. I put my 400 yard marker(in my Burris FullfieldII) just inches under the top of his back. I panned my sight off the animal to the right( I shoot with both eyes open) and held steady(I was laying down with my pack as a rest)I waited until he came into the edge of my scope and pulled the trigger. The round hit him at the base of the neck and hit his uphill shoulder blade(furtherest from me). The round stopped at the shoulder blade where the leg joint socket is(Thats about 2" above and infront of the Heart BTW.). Its a 30-06 Nosler Accubond 180grn loaded at 2700ft per/sec. The bullets impact shattered its spine due to the KENETIC ENERGY stored. It dropped immediately. No suffering a clean kill. The Energy stored at that range is apx 500ft/lbs less from a 180 grn .308. Would a .308 have done the job, possible but I know that the 06 Does and will. I don't like to see animals suffer at all. Ive been taught that and have taught it to my kids.
That is the most time ive ever had for a shot in my years hunting up there.
What I am saying AGAIN is, I prefer the stopping power of the 30-06 round over the .308, .270. 7mm, etc. Ballistics don't lie. I like the added insurance. I have a good friend in Alaska that grew up hunting here in Montana and hes told me many times the shooting is easier than we have it here where we grew up hunting. I think he means is that Mostly theres more time for the shot due to the larger animal population and LESS Hunting pressure. Again thats HIS point of view, yours may be different.
I thought this was a great tool that Burris put out... http://www.burrisoptics.com/pdf/BALLPLEX.pdf
Please HUNTING in AFRICA, Thats a totally different debate.
Tootles :)
KAM
My mistake, I though you said it was a larger caliber than the .308, you were comparing to the .270. Regardless, I think .308 win is still plenty to take an elk. (assuming of course you can place a shot in the critical areas, as you should be able to do before you hunt an animal in my opinion)
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The engineering has been done from the ground up. I wont reveal the manufacturer yet but will once I know its in production I will. They would not go here unless there was a market. Theres already a large .308 market but little options out there, This is being targeted at the same time as the 30-06. Trust me people are wanting more use out of their AR Style rifles besides target practice or filling a tree full of lead or shooting beer bottles, so hunting is a great avenue to explore for a rifle like this.
You don't have to sell me on it. I can't wait to see it :aok
Does that make me a "mall ninja"?? :D
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Thats what you said. A 100 fps difference with a 180 grain .30 bullet is a difference thats almost nonexistant. Federal premium loads can deliver a 180 grain bullet that still retains almost 2,000 lbs of energy at 300 yards. Its hunters taking 437 yrd shots that causes Elk cripples, not .308 vs 3006 shooters. Once people start bragging about their long shots I quit a conversation, this one is getting silly anyway. Besides your feelings are getting hurt cause somone is disagreeing with you.
I shoot a .338 win mag and I dont take 427 yrd shots.
First of all nobody said 80 yards.
Secondly, There is a big difference in .308 and 30-06. The cartridge is smaller than a 30-06. This translates in velocity and kinetic energy stored differences. This Idea that someone always gets a perfect kill shot is ridiculous. Ive been hunting Elk for 32 years. Ive seen all kinds of situations where a .308 or .270 will not have the stopping power. Its the Kinetic energy that will drop a 600 lb. animal if the shot isn't in a PERFECT spot. I wouldn't go after an elk with a .308 Its irresponsible in my experience. In my point of view the first concern should always be the animal and how quickly you can take its life.
Heres some great documentation on the .30 cal debate.
http://home.earthlink.net/~manzanovalph/Compared30Calibers.pdf
KAm
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My mistake, I though you said it was a larger caliber than the .308, you were comparing to the .270. Regardless, I think .308 win is still plenty to take an elk. (assuming of course you can place a shot in the critical areas, as you should be able to do before you hunt an animal in my opinion)
The ideal is placement and having the amount of time to do so. Reality is that it is not always the case. I practice difficult shots throughout the year, 1 - 2 second shots at 75 and 100 yards snap shots freehand are my most practiced. I will also run 50 yards then shot as to simulate a situation where an animal might disappear over a ridge in the trees, all kinds of situations where you have to create the shot or you'll never never get one.
KAM
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Thats what you said. A 100 fps difference with a 180 grain .30 bullet is a difference thats almost nonexistant. Federal premium loads can deliver a 180 grain bullet that still retains almost 2,000 lbs of energy at 300 yards. Its hunters taking 437 yrd shots that causes Elk cripples, not .308 vs 3006 shooters. Once people start bragging about their long shots I quit a conversation, this one is getting silly anyway. Besides your feelings are getting hurt cause someone is disagreeing with you.
I shoot a .338 win mag and I dont take 427 yrd shots.
Well there are the insults again, No hurt feelings just shows you cant debate without attacking the person not the argument.
A 400 yard shot is well within any of the 3 guns we've talked about. I'm glad you don't take those shots, doesn't sound like you practice enough otherwise you would realize and be confident that its a very do-able shot, if you know your ballistics and weapon....
NOW, since you went there with the insults than think about this. You said you have hunted in Canada, Alaska and Africa. I don't think you have property in any of those or know the land owners personally in those territories. Therefor that tells me your a shooter NOT a HUNTER a HUNTER doesn't pay others to take them to a place to shoot at an animal. A HUNTER figures out where that place is on his own.... Your a Checkbook shooter ..... Hunter want 2 be is all you do....
KAM
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For everyone else staying on topic....The owner told me this afternoon that there is a very large market forming from theses AR style rifles. Its called Sport Rifles = the use of an AR platform for game hunting. So, in my opinion its a great thing to see an industry adapt to what is being formed by the consumers.... :rock
KAM
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AR's offer gucci accesories. Thats ok in my book. What I don't get is why every other manufacturer can have an "every caliber" option and the AR purist can't phathom the concept. Why is it ok for Winchester and bad for AR style rifle enthusiast? Does it down play your wanna be, bad azz, back woods home grown military mentality? What difference does it make really. You buy AR's because they look cool, if you have one at the range then people think your cool or and let me be loud on this one YOU WERE TRAINED TO TRUST THIS GUN AND YOU HAVE EMOTIONAL TIES TO IT. Other then that there are plenty of semi auto rifles out there that can fire a .223 or a .308 round. As far as the 30-06 round vs the .308 isn't this for the ford and chevy forums? I did alot of research and what I found is the 06 has the best all around kiss.
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AR's offer gucci accesories. Thats ok in my book. What I don't get is why every other manufacturer can have an "every caliber" option and the AR purist can't phathom the concept. Why is it ok for Winchester and bad for AR style rifle enthusiast? Does it down play your wanna be, bad azz, back woods home grown military mentality? What difference does it make really. You buy AR's because they look cool, if you have one at the range then people think your cool or and let me be loud on this one YOU WERE TRAINED TO TRUST THIS GUN AND YOU HAVE EMOTIONAL TIES TO IT. Other then that there are plenty of semi auto rifles out there that can fire a .223 or a .308 round. As far as the 30-06 round vs the .308 isn't this for the ford and chevy forums? I did alot of research and what I found is the 06 has the best all around kiss.
Very True all around... I shoot my Grandfathers Model 721 Remington 30 -06. I put a Timmney Trigger 3 1/2 lbs. pull, Burris Full FieldII scope and shoot a 180 grn Nossler Partition or AccuBond. at 2700 FpS. I know and Love this weapon. Put a different rifle in my hands and there are many shots I would not take until i knew the weapon as well as I know my Remington.... BTW my daughter shoots its twin a .270 and both were made in 1957. There is a lot of history where we hunt we are on the 4th generation now...
Kam
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Lots of guys like the Ar platform because that is what they are used to. If you have been training most of your life with Ar then it makes sense to keep the same platform so that operation is the same just different round. Most guys aren't planing to hunt animals with the AR, most see it as a self defense weapon. I have handled a .308 vs of the AR and like it better than a Fal. Anyway not a big 30 ought guy myself but know there are lots of guys out there that would purchase and Ar platform in that cal.
Hey Kam what is the price range going to be?
I wouldn't mind a .338 lapua myself to shoot water jugs with.
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Lots of guys like the Ar platform because that is what they are used to. If you have been training most of your life with Ar then it makes sense to keep the same platform so that operation is the same just different round. Most guys aren't planing to hunt animals with the AR, most see it as a self defense weapon. I have handled a .308 vs of the AR and like it better than a Fal. Anyway not a big 30 ought guy myself but know there are lots of guys out there that would purchase and Ar platform in that cal.
Hey Kam what is the price range going to be?
I wouldn't mind a .338 lapua myself to shoot water jugs with.
That I'm not privy to at this point but as soon as its goes into production ill post it. The company is already selling .308 AR parts on Midway. along with their other calibers.
Boy, a 338 Lapua talk about Reach out and touch someone.... :)
KAM
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You don't have to sell me on it. I can't wait to see it :aok
Does that make me a "mall ninja"?? :D
Do you frequent AR15.com??? :headscratch: ;)
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It is nothing new this is just a redo of the AR-10 produced in the 60s check it out.
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NOW, since you went there with the insults than think about this. You said you have hunted in Canada, Alaska and Africa. I don't think you have property in any of those or know the land owners personally in those territories. Therefor that tells me your a shooter NOT a HUNTER a HUNTER doesn't pay others to take them to a place to shoot at an animal. A HUNTER figures out where that place is on his own.... Your a Checkbook shooter ..... Hunter want 2 be is all you do....
I had to qoute that. If just to preserve for history that somebody actually said it. :headscratch:
All hunters here who own hunting property in Canada, Alaska, and Africa raise their hands. :lol
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I hunt in a very diverse area. Heavily(dense trees), Open area(Long range possibilities), Elk at a dead run in the trees(snapshot), bedded down, hell I got one sleeping once. Some a .308 would have been fine. My last one I dont believe it would have been.
KAM
That sir isn't hunting and never should be mentioned. If someone publicly mentions that in my area then they are ridiculed and made fun of all the time. When a game animal is sleeping you aren't hunting it you are killing it for the heck of it; irregardless of whatever you are doing with the meat from the kill.
As for the .30-06; it is my favorite bolt action rifle of all time but I do hunt with a .280, a .308, a .30-30 and various others depending on what I am hunting. I have owned and still do now a couple of Remington Model 700's that have been produced at different times throughout their history and am comfortable taking them just about anywhere and making shots out to 450-500 meters with them; more than that and I can't guarantee a kill shot consistently. Kinetic energy doesn't mean a cotton picking thing when you can place your shots anywhere you wish on running game animals of various sizes.
For instance go rabbit hunting with an GAMO air rifle or .22 rifle...then come back and talk about how good a snap shooter you are when you kill 6 rabbits with 6 shots and all were in less than 25 yards and with shot times of sub 2 seconds for sight acquisition and trigger pull. I have never shot Elk before but I have made plenty of large white tail kills in thick hard woods, open fields, scrub brush, pine thickets, swamps, etc... and at ranges from 10 feet to 350+meters with the animals doing anything from standing dead still to running full speed. The only thing that mattered was placement.
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Anyone else think that this thread deteriorated into an episode of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1GaiBp818U
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Yep stomping feet screaming my guns bigger than yours. LOL
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I don't recall ever quoting myself but I'm going to take us back to the third post in the thread.
They're not the first.
Cobb Manufacturing made one that used modified BAR magazines not unlike how the AR-10 used modified M14 magazines during the ban days. Cobb was bought by Bushmaster some years ago so Bushy has quite a bit of technical know-how when it comes to making a 30-06 AR platform if they choose.
(http://members.cox.net/yoteaddict/images/0626081926small.jpg)
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Bushmaster Acquires Cobb Manufacturing
August 20, 2007 - Windham, Maine: Bushmaster Firearms International, LLC announced today that it has completed a transaction to acquire the assets of Cobb Manufacturing, Inc., a Georgia-based developer and producer of Tactical Rifles currently available in .308, 30-06, .338 Lapua Magnum and .50 BMG calibers. In addition, Cobb’s founder and President, Skip Patel, has been named Executive Vice President of Research & Development for BFI.
Cobb, a Dallas, Georgia-based company, has been recognized for it’s innovative, out of the box approach to tactical platforms. Cobb’s innovations include its acclaimed patent pending Multi-Caliber Rifle semi-auto system (MCR) and expertise in large bore bolt action rifles. Cobb’s products are currently fielded with a number of Law enforcement agencies and militaries worldwide.
According to Chad Brooks, CEO of Bushmaster, "Adding .308, .338 Lapua Magnum, 30-06 and .50 BMG rifles to Bushmaster’s product offerings further establishes our foothold in the tactical rifle market, and provides platforms for future growth both in the U.S. and Global Law Enforcement and Military markets." Added Brooks, "Additionally, the opportunity to add Skip Patel to our management team and lead us in our R&D efforts, was critical as we begin to aggressively expand our products to further meet the demands of today’s various global customers ."
The current Cobb rifle lineup will be refined and re-branded with the Bushmaster snake, and will be produced out of Bushmaster’s Windham, Maine Facility. As part of the transaction, Bushmaster has also established a rapid prototype and R&D manufacturing facility in Georgia, where next generation products will be developed. The facility will maintain emphasis on Bushmasters new product pipeline for Commercial, Law Enforcement and Military tailored products.
Added Skip Patel, "The chance to join the Bushmaster family and see the Cobb products gain access to Bushmaster’s renowned attention to quality and volume production, gives me great confidence in our future. My new position will allow me to focus on outside of the box ideas and address the needs of today’s shooters across all market segments. Our rapid prototype facility in conjunction with the Bushmaster Custom Shop is a very exciting proposition".
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Check out the .338 AR. that FPSRussia has.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ciFi-1YYdM&feature=feedu
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That sir isn't hunting and never should be mentioned. If someone publicly mentions that in my area then they are ridiculed and made fun of all the time. When a game animal is sleeping you aren't hunting it you are killing it for the heck of it; irregardless of whatever you are doing with the meat from the kill.
Shooting for the fun of it? Really....if you can get close enough to see them in the trees while bedded down and they dont know they are there then .... YOU JUST HUNTED, Stalked and succeeded in your goal of getting a shot. Plus a little luck never hurt. Next time ill throw a rock and make it run first OK. That will appease you im sure.
KAM
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Armalite owns the "AR 10" copyright so no one can market an AR-10. No kidding its not a first. I think its a good Idea ... If engineered correctly...
Kam
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Armalite owns the "AR 10" copyright so no one can market an AR-10. No kidding its not a first. I think its a good Idea ... If engineered correctly...
Kam
I believe Armalite also owns the designation "AR", it stands for Armalite Rifle as I understand it.
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I know of a AR manufacturer about to release one in a 30-06.......That will ROCK.
What do you think?
KAM
To get back to the original question... I think that's a lot of round for that receiver. I suppose it is similar to the AR-10.
As for me, if I had the disposable income, I'd go with the LWRCI M6A2 rifle in 6.8mm SPC....
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Shooting for the fun of it? Really....if you can get close enough to see them in the trees while bedded down and they dont know they are there then .... YOU JUST HUNTED, Stalked and succeeded in your goal of getting a shot. Plus a little luck never hurt. Next time ill throw a rock and make it run first OK. That will appease you im sure.
KAM
Don't appease me just because of what I wrote; I stand by my statement and have worked my way in on more whitetail deer that are bedded down than I care to count. Could have killed them as well but left the area just as I found it simply because it isn't the right thing to do BECAUSE you don't have to kill it to survive. That brings up another point for another discussion.
As for the OP...I am sure they did their due diligence getting this done from the ground up and the receiver and chamber they are going to use for this .30-06 version is similar to some that have already been done and they will be able to hold the pressure of the rounds firing.