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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: F22RaptorDude on September 14, 2011, 08:35:30 PM
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If the Titanic was and is so popular why not build a whole replica? Why wasn't it done before? I just finished A Night to Remember and it usually gets me thinking, were there any plans to build a 2nd Titanic?
Edit: I know very well of her sister ship is a replica in a way but why not build another "Titanic" almost exactly the same as it was 99 years ago
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superstition. people wouldnt want get on a boat that had hundreds of deaths. it's the same reason air routes numbers are not reused when an airplane crashes.
semp
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Modern ships are a lot bigger, faster, more maneuverable, and have better equipment. No need to build a 100 year old ship.
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Modern ships are a lot bigger, faster, more maneuverable, and have better equipment. No need to build a 100 year old ship.
People should know what it was really like back then in my opinion, would make them appreciate the bigger better ships of today, as well as offer great educational value, but thats all just my opinion.
superstition. people wouldnt want get on a boat that had hundreds of deaths. it's the same reason air routes numbers are not reused when an airplane crashes.
semp
Well possibly with better materials than what they had then?
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If you want to know what it was like back then become Amish.
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If you want to know what it was like back then become Amish.
??? The Titanic had electricity, and i'm sure the majority of people knew what electricity was
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??? The Titanic had electricity, and i'm sure the majority of people knew what electricity was
Then what do you mean "back then"
Put on your bowler had and overalls and walk into the shopping mall with electricity.
You're living the life.
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The Titanic actually had 2 sister ships, The Olympic and the Brittannic. The Brittannic has been used as research concerning the sinking of the Titanic, since it lies in much shallower water and can be studied more easily.
Here's a link that tells you a bit about the two sister ships.
http://www.starway.org/Titanic/Sister_Ships.html
I expect that it would be considered to be in very poor taste to build a replica of the ship. A great many people lost their lives on the original.
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Then what do you mean "back then"
Put on your bowler had and overalls and walk into the shopping mall with electricity.
You're living the life.
I completely lost my train of thought, what are we bickering about?
The Titanic actually had 2 sister ships, The Olympic and the Brittanic. The Olympic has been used as research concerning the sinking of the Titanic, since it lies in much shallower water and can be studied more easily.
Here's a link that tells you a bit about the two sister ships.
http://www.starway.org/Titanic/Sister_Ships.html
I expect that it would be considered to be in very poor taste to build a replica of the ship. A great many people lost their lives on the original.
I forgot how the Olympic sank, dismantled for scrap :cry, the story of the Britannic I've known for ever since I had an interest in Titanic at the age of 4
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If you want to know what it was like back then become Amish.
I live in Lancaster County... that made me lol. :rofl
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I live in Lancaster County... that made me lol. :rofl
:rofl
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People should know what it was really like back then in my opinion, would make them appreciate the bigger better ships of today, as well as offer great educational value, but thats all just my opinion.
Well possibly with better materials than what they had then?
It would be quite silly to spend millions of dollars for something for show to appreciate better things. That's what books and history lessons are for! :aok
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It would be quite silly to spend millions of dollars for something for show to appreciate better things. That's what books and history lessons are for! :aok
And CGI too!
Besides, if somebody was going to make a replica of a ship that was lost with many lives, I would rather see a living memorial of the Arizona. But it shouldn't happen, and won't.
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It would be quite silly to spend millions of dollars for something for show to appreciate better things. That's what books and history lessons are for! :aok
The books are cheap, and the lessons pointless and not deep enough, in US history we hardly go over any aspects of world war II
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See Rule #14
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And CGI too!
Besides, if somebody was going to make a replica of a ship that was lost with many lives, I would rather see a living memorial of the Arizona. But it shouldn't happen, and won't.
He got his money back at the box office!
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The books are cheap, and the lessons pointless and not deep enough, in US history we hardly go over any aspects of world war II
It depends on what you find pointless, and it depends on what grade you are in. Remember, whatever subject you are required to take, there are always parts that bore you and that goes for everybody. It doesn't mean they are less necessary. Besides,how would learning about the titanic in history class really matter in the curriculum sense?
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See Rule #14
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Most of the teachers are actually very good - but they dont control the content that is being taught.
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Teachers complain about the books alot, and i'm in 10th grade, last year I did World history which was unfortunate because by the end of the last semester we had hardly gotten into the civil war, this year we will hardly go over WWII Which is my favorite history subject to study on.
Fortunately, there is an huge amount of good material out there about WW2. My advice would be to ask here on the BBS for book suggestions, then craft your Christmas wishlist accordingly.
For me, I was very interested in the Napoleonic wars, especially the naval engagements. Of course, in the US, such a topic seems to only be granted about a paragraph or two in any High School History class text. I have a good friend who has an enormous collection of lead napoleaonic miniatures. I've spent many many hours playing Empire, re-fighting battle after battle.
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within the last two years they have built a complete replica of the nose section of the Titanic. It was made near the same slip Titanic was and was made using the same techniques and technologies.
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Fortunately, there is an huge amount of good material out there about WW2. My advice would be to ask here on the BBS for book suggestions, then craft your Christmas wishlist accordingly.
For me, I was very interested in the Napoleonic wars, especially the naval engagements. Of course, in the US, such a topic seems to only be granted about a paragraph or two in any High School History class text. I have a good friend who has an enormous collection of lead napoleaonic miniatures. I've spent many many hours playing Empire, re-fighting battle after battle.
Christmas budget is super tight this year, so i'll most likely ask for books and dvds on it, I'm particularly interested in the battle of the Bulge.
Most of the teachers are actually very good - but they dont control the content that is being taught.
My Math Teacher despises me, I had him last year, for math I, now I have Math I Support with him, he was less than thrilled to see me again during open house :lol Other than that all my teachers are awesome
within the last two years they have built a complete replica of the nose section of the Titanic. It was made near the same slip Titanic was and was made using the same techniques and technologies.
Could you explain further? I'm confused?
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Could you explain further? I'm confused?
Well... they got men together... got some 1910 steel... the got some rivets and hammers... they made a skeleton... they riveted steel plates onto said skeleton... and WALLAH they had a complete nose section replica of Titanics nose...
[/sarcastic off]
i dont know what else to say... they made a replica of the titanic's nose... i just saw the show this summer, but cant remember if it was done last year or the year before.
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"Fortunately, there is an huge amount of good material out there about WW2. My advice would be to ask here on the BBS for book suggestions, then craft your Christmas wishlist accordingly."
Dave
It's because we have a goodly number of young men that join this game and this site that have to deal with older guys with a case of keyboard courage and and a crap attitude because one of them occasionally steps on their johnson and gets stomped on for it.
Personally I'd prefer to cultivate these guys and help them into the community as opposed to beating them down in the forums, on text, etc.. These young men, for the most part, share our interests in history, aviation, etc.., and yet I often see somebody being an arse to them for no other reason than they can be.
Teaching them and sharing knowledge in subject they show interest in (well most of the other guys I can teach them neat bar tricks when they are of age) not only helps them but helps the community as a whole. Additionally it helps them become more rounded adults and really isn't that what a 'community' is for?
Not picking on you bro because I like and respect you but that was an opening I had to take.
:salute
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talking about the old boats, i stayed at the queen mary in longbeach a couple of months ago. it was pretty cool staying in the cabin. they cabins are still the same as they were back in the day except they have a plasma tv and unlimited supply of hot/cold water.
semp
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The Titanic wasn't "rebuilt" because it wasn't respectful to the folks that died that night. It wouldn't be the same, would you prefer to fly a replica WW2 plane made with today's metal, gears and engines? Or a true WW2 plane flown by a real pilot? (assuming both are in good conditions). The Titanic was a symbol during it's time, and because it sunk on the maiden voyage, many people thought it would be bad luck to reuse the "symbol".
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talking about the old boats, i stayed at the queen mary in longbeach a couple of months ago. it was pretty cool staying in the cabin. they cabins are still the same as they were back in the day except they have a plasma tv and unlimited supply of hot/cold water.
semp
and Ghosts... lots and lots of ghosts ... ask Art Bell :O
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"Fortunately, there is an huge amount of good material out there about WW2. My advice would be to ask here on the BBS for book suggestions, then craft your Christmas wishlist accordingly."
Dave
It's because we have a goodly number of young men that join this game and this site that have to deal with older guys with a case of keyboard courage and and a crap attitude because one of them occasionally steps on their johnson and gets stomped on for it.
Personally I'd prefer to cultivate these guys and help them into the community as opposed to beating them down in the forums, on text, etc.. These young men, for the most part, share our interests in history, aviation, etc.., and yet I often see somebody being an arse to them for no other reason than they can be.
Teaching them and sharing knowledge in subject they show interest in (well most of the other guys I can teach them neat bar tricks when they are of age) not only helps them but helps the community as a whole. Additionally it helps them become more rounded adults and really isn't that what a 'community' is for?
Not picking on you bro because I like and respect you but that was an opening I had to take.
:salute
Wow... I really wasn't trying to be snarky or anything. I honestly wasn't trying to brush him off or diminish him in any way. I was offering honest advice. Most of what I know about WW2 and the military in general was gained by saving my pennies to buy whatever books I could afford. Plus a ton of time in the library. And my Christmas wishlist always has (and still does at age 41) included a few titles that I would like to read.
I was just trying to tell him that where the public school system fails, there is an avenue for someone with the desire to learn to actually learn. I hope he does seek out the material he is interested in, instead of simply blaming his ignorance on the crappy school system.
All that said, any questions I can answer, I will. Although, there are many folks far more qualified to comment then I am.
EDIT: I'm glad to read that you like and respect me. I hope that that is true. My ego likes a stroke now and then just like everyone elses. :D
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Well... they got men together... got some 1910 steel... the got some rivets and hammers... they made a skeleton... they riveted steel plates onto said skeleton... and WALLAH they had a complete nose section replica of Titanics nose...
[/sarcastic off]
i dont know what else to say... they made a replica of the titanic's nose... i just saw the show this summer, but cant remember if it was done last year or the year before.
Does it have an interior? I went to the Dollywood Titanic Exhibit a week before school started, never been so emotional in a museum before :lol They gave us cards about people who were on the ship, I got a first class male, who survived with his kids and wife, my grandmother was a third class woman who died (Before the tour started the guy dressed as Captain smith picked on her for being 3rd, it was hilarious) and my grandfather was a crew member working around the mail rooms and he didn't make it either. Back to my point its the front of the ship on one side and behind that is all the rooms and such poking out but from the left side it looked magnificent.
"Fortunately, there is an huge amount of good material out there about WW2. My advice would be to ask here on the BBS for book suggestions, then craft your Christmas wishlist accordingly."
Dave
It's because we have a goodly number of young men that join this game and this site that have to deal with older guys with a case of keyboard courage and and a crap attitude because one of them occasionally steps on their johnson and gets stomped on for it.
Personally I'd prefer to cultivate these guys and help them into the community as opposed to beating them down in the forums, on text, etc.. These young men, for the most part, share our interests in history, aviation, etc.., and yet I often see somebody being an arse to them for no other reason than they can be.
Teaching them and sharing knowledge in subject they show interest in (well most of the other guys I can teach them neat bar tricks when they are of age) not only helps them but helps the community as a whole. Additionally it helps them become more rounded adults and really isn't that what a 'community' is for?
Not picking on you bro because I like and respect you but that was an opening I had to take.
:salute
When I first came to ahs I was 12, a big time squeaker I still got on the mic every now and then, I don't blame anyone for being harsh on us, most kids these days are seriously out of line in my opinion, I encourage being hard on us, so that we don't get out of line as well.
The Titanic wasn't "rebuilt" because it wasn't respectful to the folks that died that night. It wouldn't be the same, would you prefer to fly a replica WW2 plane made with today's metal, gears and engines? Or a true WW2 plane flown by a real pilot? (assuming both are in good conditions). The Titanic was a symbol during it's time, and because it sunk on the maiden voyage, many people thought it would be bad luck to reuse the "symbol".
You have a point, :lol Looking back in 2nd grade me and a few other kids made plans for when we were "grown ups" to rebuild the Titanic :rolleyes: Being 16 today and in high school, it seems almost childish, but I would still do it if I had the resources and time.
talking about the old boats, i stayed at the queen mary in longbeach a couple of months ago. it was pretty cool staying in the cabin. they cabins are still the same as they were back in the day except they have a plasma tv and unlimited supply of hot/cold water.
semp
I've been looking into a cruise on a ship like that, Almost kinda sad that I still can't do much by myself yet.
Wow... I really wasn't trying to be snarky or anything. I honestly wasn't trying to brush him off or diminish him in any way. I was offering honest advice. Most of what I know about WW2 and the military in general was gained by saving my pennies to buy whatever books I could afford. Plus a ton of time in the library. And my Christmas wishlist always has (and still does at age 41) included a few titles that I would like to read.
I was just trying to tell him that where the public school system fails, there is an avenue for someone with the desire to learn to actually learn. I hope he does seek out the material he is interested in, instead of simply blaming his ignorance on the crappy school system.
All that said, any questions I can answer, I will. Although, there are many folks far more qualified to comment then I am.
For Christmas last year my grandfather gave me his dads book on World war 2, I read through it sometimes, my great grandfather was a tank commander, I don't know much but I know he was involved in the Normandy invasion and almost reached Berlin, he passed before I could record his stories, but he has some great tales to tell, on note of him being a tank commander I don't know who he went in with, or the tank he commanded, he told me but I forgot the name of it, although i'm 100% sure it wasn't a Sherman it was another tank.
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For Christmas last year my grandfather gave me his dads book on World war 2
When I was in High School, my dad got a book in the mail. It was written by a guy who was in my dad's Army basic training class, during the Vietnam war. It was all about his entrance to the Army and what he was going through as he prepared to go off to war. Even though it wasn't written from my dad's point of view, it was very enlightening for me. It really gave me a window into the world my dad lived through when he was 18 or 19 years old. ( I was 16 or 17 when I read the book )
I wish every generation was lucky enough to have such a specific understanding of the generation before.
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"The books are cheap, and the lessons pointless and not deep enough, in US history we hardly go over any aspects of world war II"
Im taking a senior level college class this semester titled "WW2 Military History" 3 weeks into the semester and we are just now getting into Barbarossa. Excellent in depth readings as well. We went in depth into topics never even mentioned in high school or even freshman and sophomore history classes such as Dunkirk, Greece, Crete, Norway, Italian involvement in N. Africa, just to name a few. We even started the semester discussing Japanese movements into Manchuria and china in the early 30s. Its a very interesting class so far.
The Second World War by John Keegan
Major Problems in the History of World War II documents and essays by Mark A. Stoler and Melanie S Gustafson
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"The books are cheap, and the lessons pointless and not deep enough, in US history we hardly go over any aspects of world war II"
Im taking a senior level college class this semester titled "WW2 Military History" 3 weeks into the semester and we are just now getting into Barbarossa. Excellent in depth readings as well. We went in depth into topics never even mentioned in high school or even freshman and sophomore history classes such as Dunkirk, Greece, Crete, Norway, Italian involvement in N. Africa, just to name a few. We even started the semester discussing Japanese movements into Manchuria and china in the early 30s. Its a very interesting class so far.
The Second World War by John Keegan
Major Problems in the History of World War II documents and essays by Mark A. Stoler and Melanie S Gustafson
Lucky :furious
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I remember how cold the water was when we fell in..... never been so scared in that life.
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OK THIS IS CREPY AS HECK but its true...
click this link >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futility,_or_the_Wreck_of_the_Titan
or read this
On April 14, 1912, the huge "unsinkable" ship the Titanic was steaming across the Atlantic towards New York. This was the Titanic's maiden voyage, and her captain was encouraged to break the record for speed while making the voyage. As most people know, after striking an iceberg, the unsinkable ship went down in only a matter of hours. Out of the 2,201 passengers, only 711 were saved. Since then, there have been many books and movies about the Titanic.
There was one fictional story written by a merchant seaman by the name of Morgan Robertson. Robertson's book was about an unsinkable passenger liner that sank while carrying the elite people of the time. The ship in Robertson's story was called the Titan and the book was titled The Wreck of the Titan. Even though the book is fictitious, the events in the story parallel the events of the Titanic. Both ships were built to be unsinkable. Both ships sank after striking an iceberg. Both ships were on their maiden voyage. The most well to do famous people were on the Titan and Titanic. Only one third of the passengers on each ship survived. Both ships had an inadequate number of lifeboats. Both ships were encouraged to break speed records during their voyage.
Robertson's book The Wreck of the Titan was never published. Each time it was rejected by editor's, they told him the same thing. The story was unbelievable. Surely the events he wrote of could not possibly happen to an unsinkable ship.
The book, The Wreck of the Titan was written in 1898, fourteen years before the Titanic hit an iceberg and settled on the bottom of the northern Atlantic.
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I remember how cold the water was when we fell in..... never been so scared in that life.
I've felt 28 degree water at the exhibit, I can't imagine having my whole body plunged into that
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OK THIS IS CREPY AS HECK but its true...
click this link >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futility,_or_the_Wreck_of_the_Titan
or read this
On April 14, 1912, the huge "unsinkable" ship the Titanic was steaming across the Atlantic towards New York. This was the Titanic's maiden voyage, and her captain was encouraged to break the record for speed while making the voyage. As most people know, after striking an iceberg, the unsinkable ship went down in only a matter of hours. Out of the 2,201 passengers, only 711 were saved. Since then, there have been many books and movies about the Titanic.
There was one fictional story written by a merchant seaman by the name of Morgan Robertson. Robertson's book was about an unsinkable passenger liner that sank while carrying the elite people of the time. The ship in Robertson's story was called the Titan and the book was titled The Wreck of the Titan. Even though the book is fictitious, the events in the story parallel the events of the Titanic. Both ships were built to be unsinkable. Both ships sank after striking an iceberg. Both ships were on their maiden voyage. The most well to do famous people were on the Titan and Titanic. Only one third of the passengers on each ship survived. Both ships had an inadequate number of lifeboats. Both ships were encouraged to break speed records during their voyage.
Robertson's book The Wreck of the Titan was never published. Each time it was rejected by editor's, they told him the same thing. The story was unbelievable. Surely the events he wrote of could not possibly happen to an unsinkable ship.
The book, The Wreck of the Titan was written in 1898, fourteen years before the Titanic hit an iceberg and settled on the bottom of the northern Atlantic.
He came from space maaaannn.....
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OK THIS IS CREPY AS HECK but its true...
click this link >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futility,_or_the_Wreck_of_the_Titan
or read this
On April 14, 1912, the huge "unsinkable" ship the Titanic was steaming across the Atlantic towards New York. This was the Titanic's maiden voyage, and her captain was encouraged to break the record for speed while making the voyage. As most people know, after striking an iceberg, the unsinkable ship went down in only a matter of hours. Out of the 2,201 passengers, only 711 were saved. Since then, there have been many books and movies about the Titanic.
There was one fictional story written by a merchant seaman by the name of Morgan Robertson. Robertson's book was about an unsinkable passenger liner that sank while carrying the elite people of the time. The ship in Robertson's story was called the Titan and the book was titled The Wreck of the Titan. Even though the book is fictitious, the events in the story parallel the events of the Titanic. Both ships were built to be unsinkable. Both ships sank after striking an iceberg. Both ships were on their maiden voyage. The most well to do famous people were on the Titan and Titanic. Only one third of the passengers on each ship survived. Both ships had an inadequate number of lifeboats. Both ships were encouraged to break speed records during their voyage.
Robertson's book The Wreck of the Titan was never published. Each time it was rejected by editor's, they told him the same thing. The story was unbelievable. Surely the events he wrote of could not possibly happen to an unsinkable ship.
The book, The Wreck of the Titan was written in 1898, fourteen years before the Titanic hit an iceberg and settled on the bottom of the northern Atlantic.
A fluke? This happened before with all the attacks that came to the US, it was discovered that it was forseen on many years ago
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Then what do you mean "back then"
Put on your bowler had and overalls and walk into the shopping mall with electricity.
You're living the life.
"Bowler hat"?! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl OOOGIE BOOOGIE......!!!! :devil
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Those ships were built in a time when Shipbuilding was a (very expensive) work of art. When society still had class And the world still had a bit of mystery left in it.
:salute To the lives lost. On both the Titanic and her sisters. A sad ending to such beautiful ships. Its truly a sad thought that one day in the future, these beacons of a lost generation will have rusted away into nothing but imagination.
One thing that interests me is that its stated someone was interested in raising the Britanic. If it was possable to raise the BRitanic, would it also be possible to raise the Titanic?
I cant even imagination the sensation it would cause to see the Titanic pulling into New York harbor 100+ yrs after her main voyage.
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The term "unsinkable" was not attached to the Titanic until after the accident.