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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: chaser on September 23, 2011, 10:49:20 AM
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It's on the home page!!!! :x
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We need a P40 experten to come in here and tell us how the F model differs from the others.
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Cant Wait to give her a shot, wonder how she performs at altitude.
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We need a P40 experten to come in here and tell us how the F model differs from the others.
no experten needed....its on the home page
"Introducing the Merlin powered P-40F. The Merlin engine provides better performance at altitude than the other Allison powered P-40s. "
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no experten needed....its on the home page
"Introducing the Merlin powered P-40F. The Merlin engine provides better performance at altitude than the other Allison powered P-40s. "
I was hoping for more details, like speeds and weights etc etc.
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I was hoping for more details, like speeds and weights etc etc.
I can't answer the question for you off the top of my head, but this looks like a good source that has all that info:
http://www.p40warhawk.com/Variants/Variants.htm
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From what I can tell, the average altitude of fights in AH seems to favor the Alison... But looking forward to the new ride. :airplane:
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Yyeehaaw! Just what the game needs. Again!
Allies High forever! :cheers:
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PS. :bhead
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there was an F model equiped group In Africa that tore stuff up. I can not wait to fly it. :devil
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Here's some information in comparison to the E Model -
P-40E P40F
Weight Empty 6350 6590
Weight loaded 8100 8500
Max Speed 354mph 364 mph
Range 700 700
Ceiling 29k 34.4k
Armament 6x50s 6x50s
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Quite purdy birdy HTC!!! :aok
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Oh Sweet! I will be giving this a bird a twist and turn (more likely just be bait like I usually am in the P40E).
:rock
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Awesome, we desperately needed one. 2 P-40's just isnt enough. But what we really need is another P-47.
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Awesome, we desperately needed one. 2 P-40's just isnt enough. But what we really need is another JAPANESE PLANE ::cough Ki43::.
Fixed that for ya! :aok
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Awesome, we desperately needed one. 2 P-40's just isnt enough. But what we really need is another P-47.
sarcasm runs strong in this one i can feel the hate coursing its way through his veins
just be happy there's another plane jeez others will come in time
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Maybe since we got a new allied bird they will unperk the Chog now. :neener: :bolt:
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Merlin P40s equipped all the USAAF MTO P40 Groups from the time they launched off the carriers into North Africa until they transitioned to Jugs in late 43-44. Tuskegee Airmen flew P40Fs. 33rd, 57th, 79th 325th FGs in the MTO all had Merlin P40s. There were some operated by the USAAF on in the PTO and there were some operated by RAF squadrons in the MTO.
A great addition to the line up and allows for a lot more variety in skins and in scenario/FSO/Snapshot etc use.
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Awesome, we desperately needed one. 2 P-40's just isnt enough. But what we really need is another P-47.
As opposed to the 6 109's we have? Or maybe the 5 190's?
:neener: :)
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As opposed to the 6 109's we have? Or maybe the 5 190's?
:neener: :)
as opposed to a non k series 109 that has high alt performance ala db605as engine, or a 190a8 that isn't 1000lbs over weight.
but i like the p-40s so :aok it will be fun to try the f model out.
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More allied Mk108 tater fodder. Excellent.
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Even though I'm a hardcore Luftwobble I do like the P40's..
:aok
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:rock
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As opposed to the 6 109's we have? Or maybe the 5 190's?
How could you forget the Spitfires?
- oldman
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More Russian and Italian birds!
And Swordfish!!! MUST HAVE SWORDFISH!
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Merlin P40s equipped all the USAAF MTO P40 Groups from the time they launched off the carriers into North Africa until they transitioned to Jugs in late 43-44. Tuskegee Airmen flew P40Fs. 33rd, 57th, 79th 325th FGs in the MTO all had Merlin P40s. There were some operated by the USAAF on in the PTO and there were some operated by RAF squadrons in the MTO.
A great addition to the line up and allows for a lot more variety in skins and in scenario/FSO/Snapshot etc use.
So there is a good chance that we will be having some 99th and 100th skins?
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So there is a good chance that we will be having some 99th and 100th skins?
99th would be the best bet. They were the ones into combat first.
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Nice, P-40F will help flesh out the P-40 line and it doesn't take HTC as much time to add a variant as it does to add an entirely new airframe.
P-47 whiners, cut it. You already have the densest representation of any fighter in the game timewise.
In the same time period covered by the P-47D-11, P-47D-25, P-47D-40, P-47M and P-47N, the Fw190s are represented by the Fw190A-8, Fw190F-8, Fw190D-9 and Ta152H-1, the Bf109s are represented by the Bf109G-6, Bf109G-14 and Bf109K-4 and the Spitfires are represented by the Spitfire Mk VIII, Spitfire Mk XIV and Spitfire Mk XVI. That is five P-47s compared to four Fw190s and three each for the Bf109 and Spitfire lines.
You cannot compare the P-47 with airframes that fought the entire war and then whine that they have more variants in the game, particularly coming from fans of an aircraft that is represented as well as the P-47 is.
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It don't matter how many toys you put in a sandbox. At the end of the day, it's still a sand box.
I say, concentrate on the environment, not planes or tanks for now.
Coogan
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It don't matter how many toys you put in a sandbox. At the end of the day, it's still a sand box.
I say, concentrate on the environment, not planes or tanks for now.
Coogan
what??
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what??
I'm talking about terrain, clouds and all that. Seems like there should be some kinda' change. I like the idea of having terrains with
snow or sand. Too much green.
Coogan
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Here's some information in comparison to the E Model -
P-40E P40F
Weight Empty 6350 6590
Weight loaded 8100 8500
Max Speed 354mph 364 mph
Range 700 700
Ceiling 29k 34.4k
Armament 6x50s 6x50s
So what your saying is ....we're getting a new paint job to choose from.............unless of course it gives you the brew guns, climb and turn performance.
Someone once said, "the only thing around here thats modeled correctly is the skins" (I have no clue if thats really true or not.)
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I'm talking about terrain, clouds and all that. Seems like there should be some kinda' change. I like the idea of having terrains with
snow or sand. Too much green.
Coogan
then you want to talk to mr.midi and the other terrain makers, or try something unusual...
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,299792.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,299792.0.html)
just sayin...
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id much rather have a StuG III Ausf G. or a P47D-22 than the P40-F...
but if im forced to live with the P40-F then i guess its ok...not a big fan of the P40 series...
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:bhead
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then you want to talk to mr.midi and the other terrain makers, or try something unusual...
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,299792.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,299792.0.html)
just sayin...
I'm not looking for anything unusual, just a little different.
USRanger has some excellent terrains btw, just waiting for them to get passed or whatever has to happen.
Coogan
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has ranger submitted a new main arena map? i was aware of some ava/special events maps but... :headscratch:
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Not a big user of the P40 that aside. :aok
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Awesome! Great job Waffle and Cactuskooler! :banana:
Looks to be the stretched fuselage version, which could lead down the road to the P-40N.
Can't wait to see her in game!
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So what your saying is ....we're getting a new paint job to choose from.............unless of course it gives you the brew guns, climb and turn performance.
Someone once said, "the only thing around here thats modeled correctly is the skins" (I have no clue if thats really true or not.)
faster at alt than e sir
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HITECH....IM JUST SPEACHLESS!
You know i have always loved HTC for the game, but these updates are just to much, i mean WHAT OTHER GAME UPDATES THIS MUCH!
This has to be one of the best games in the world....
HTC KEEP UP THE INSANLY GOOD WORK! :rock :rock
now all we needz iz teh he177!
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more g-6 food jummy
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:salute yes a merlin p40 woot, so hows about putting it into the b model? ummm
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I agree with Perdweeb. We need waayy more Allied fighters, and I hope to DMGOD we dont get a much needed me-410 or J5N2 to combat Allied alt monkey 330mph+ superbuffs, or a He111 for historical importance
:bhead :bhead
:bhead
:bhead
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I've always grumbled when a spitfire shoots my p40 down. "Why's my p40 been given no Merlin?" paraphrase Armstrong,Miller. :D
But seroiusly how about a new cartoon plane to wow are socks off?
Me 410
Ki 43
Yak 3
Migg 3
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I've always grumbled when a spitfire shoots my p40 down. "Why's my p40 been given no Merlin?" paraphrase Armstrong,Miller. :D
But seroiusly how about a new cartoon plane to wow are socks off?
Me 410
Ki 43
Yak 3
Migg 3
P47-D22
StuG III Ausf G.
HE-111
added a few planes you missed there... i'd much rather take any of those than the P40.
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More planes no tanks!
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Cool another hangar queen :aok
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More planes no tanks!
put down the crack pipe, and step away from the computer....as of now we only have about 20 tanks in game, 19 or so bombers and at least 80+ fighters.
tanks and bombers is what we need....
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I agree with Perdweeb. We need waayy more Allied fighters, and I hope to DMGOD we dont get a much needed me-410 or J5N2 to combat Allied alt monkey 330mph+ superbuffs, or a He111 for historical importance
This is dead on.
AH has more american rides than german, japanese, russian and italian together. One more american one, keep 'em comin.
Allies High :bhead
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This is dead on.
AH has more american rides than german, japanese, russian and italian together. One more american one, keep 'em comin.
Allies High :bhead
I agree that there are some significant holes in the planes sets of the other combatants, the top 3 on my personal wishlist is the Ki-43, beaufighter, and He-111.
The P-40's got a facelift and it's been customary to add another variant or two when that happens, the fact that it's coming in a separate update is a bit of a change but I see it as just an extension of what happened in the last release. The P-40 was a major contributor in all it's variants, the first P-40 kill was scored by the RAF on June 8th, 1940 and the type was still in service in 1945. It served in Africa, Italy, China, the southwest Pacific, and eastern front. A most welcome addition in my book. :)
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Hold your horses all.
Adding the P-40F is not at all the same as adding the Ki-43 or Me410. Adding a variant is much easier for HTC to do due to most of the graphics work already being in place.
So, when you whine about this stuff, at least try to compare apple to apples instead of apples to oranges.
Compared to adding an He111, for the same work, HTC could likely add the Bf109G-6/AS, Fw190A-2, Fw190A-9, LaGG-3, La-5, Mosquito F.Mk II, P-40F and P-40N. That might be a bit optimistic, but you get the idea.
Bombers take a lot more graphic work. Multi-crew aircraft like the Beaufighter, Ki-45 or Me410 take more work than single seat aircraft. Entirely new airframes like the G.55 or Ki-43 take more work than variants of existing AH2 standard models.
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This is dead on.
AH has more american rides than german, japanese, russian and italian together. One more american one, keep 'em comin.
Allies High :bhead
although i agree to some extent, i wouldn't go so far as to be so negative about it. there is undeniably more technical data on american and british aircraft than any other country, and the more data there is, the easier it is to program into a computer. if there was as much data for the aircraft some of us really want to see, the waiting time probably wouldn't be so bad.
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This is dead on.
AH has more american rides than german, japanese, russian and italian together. One more american one, keep 'em comin.
Allies High :bhead
Maybe in pure numbers alone, But all countries have more varients of specific aircraft than most of the American Lineup does.
Just look how many spits/109s there are compared to how many p51s/p38s/p40s/f6fs/etc's there are.
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I wantz the P51-A :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid :noid
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Another consideration to the folks here that only fly in the MA. Some of the planes that are being added help to fill out the planes needed for historical reasons in FSO.
Speaking of which, if you are interested in flying in the FSO events, and you have a squad or want to join a squad that already flies in FSO, look it up or hook up with one of the squads in the event. It's totaly seperate from the MA so you can join up with any squad who will have ya or bring in your squad which is even better! :x
Just doing my part in the advertising department! :banana: :banana:
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The crying in this thread is mind numbing. Some of you wanks need to grow up a bit and stop threaten to take your ball and go home.
With that being said- I say HURRAY for the P40F!!! :aok It will be nice to have another P40 variant, it was a major player in the PTO and MTO, so no need to be skimpy with the variant list, IMO. Anyone want to be the P40C is next? ;)
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The crying in this thread is mind numbing. Some of you wanks need to grow up a bit and stop threaten to take your ball and go home.
With that being said- I say HURRAY for the P40F!!! :aok It will be nice to have another P40 variant, it was a major player in the PTO and MTO, so no need to be skimpy with the variant list, IMO. Anyone want to be the P40C is next? ;)
Lots of people just get bent right out of shape when planes that aren't Late War Uber Toys are added.
I don't get it really.
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Lots of people just get bent right out of shape when planes that aren't Late War Uber Toys are added.
I don't get it really.
ya come to think of it, i don't remember a whole lot of :cry when the 2 late war monster jugs were added.
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Lots of people just get bent right out of shape when planes that aren't Late War Uber Toys are added.
I don't get it really.
+1
While not late war, I'm stoked we'll be getting a P-40 better suited to higher altitudes that are more common in the late war... or was I the only one that got that memo?...
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Maybe in pure numbers alone, But all countries have more varients of specific aircraft than most of the American Lineup does.
Just look how many spits/109s there are compared to how many p51s/p38s/p40s/f6fs/etc's there are.
Erm, those aircraft were in combat longer than the American ones too, hence the larger number of variants. As I noted earlier, the time period covered by our five P-47s is covered by four Fw190s (counting the Ta152), three Bf109s and three Spitfires. American aircraft are not terribly disadvantaged in the variants department.
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No not many posts but...
Cracks me up when I check out this board. Complaining..etc. Not that I have no complaints (for instance the bomb****s) but I work for a large hosting company as a system engineer and for what AH is charging and getting per month combined, my company could not host this app. I have no idea how many people are employed to keep things running, but by my calcs, they couldn't pay 2 of the engineers at my company to keep this thing going and add all the stuff that everyone wants. I've been playing for about 1.5 years and have a great time, bad time, depending on how much I drink.
Heck up until last month I didn't even know there was elevation keys for tanks. I was just guessing. Wow since I found that out I'm much improved in in tanks. That is when I really started hating on the bomb****s. But I also really started getting into the GV side in this game. Guess maybe I should read ALL the manual.
Bottom line I really like this game....keep it up AH. and oh, please get the game back up tonight, I need a fix.
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Now I can kill bombers in a P-40. :devil
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Great looking Bird HTC.
I'll fly it. Always liked the P-40's :cheers:
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Now I can kill bombers in a P-40. :devil
it was only a matter of time before they let your dweebism get the best of them snuggles! :lol :banana:
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has ranger submitted a new main arena map? i was aware of some ava/special events maps but... :headscratch:
Not that I know of. The ones that he's submitted are just fine. Don't have the time to go digging through posts tonight, but
maybe tomorrow I will.
Coogan
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Cant Wait to give her a shot, wonder how she performs at altitude.
Does she have a dual stage supercharger? :airplane: Yes it does. :salute
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Does she have a dual stage supercharger? :airplane:
Engine should be similar to the engine in the Spitfire Mk V.
It does not have a high blown Merlin like the Spitfire Mk IX, P-51B or Mosquito Mk XVI.
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Performance only improved in service ceiling & +10mph + or - for alt? Not a lot of hoopla right? How do you guys see it? :joystick:
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Performance only improved in service ceiling & +10mph + or - for alt? Not a lot of hoopla right? How do you guys see it? :joystick:
Its a P-40. Anybody expecting a P-40 to be competitive with Bf109K-4s, P-51Ds, Spitfire Mk XVIs, La-7s and Ki-84's is doomed to perpetual disappointment.
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Performance only improved in service ceiling & +10mph + or - for alt? Not a lot of hoopla right? How do you guys see it? :joystick:
I see it in the markings of all those USAAF Groups that took it into combat in North Africa, Sicily and up into Italy long before the Jugs and 51s got there.
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Is it 10 mph faster? Big deal... But also 400lbs heavyer, while the E model is quite a brick too.
It fills no gap at all. Really isnt better than the E. Anyway, im still happy with this (food).
Im with Crazy Ivan.
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I'd like to see the 190s and 109s get a exterior shape and interior update, especially the proper 3D canopys :old:
It makes sense if you have recently updated the p40 to follow through with another varient when you are at it.
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Its a P-40. Anybody expecting a P-40 to be competitive with Bf109K-4s, P-51Ds, Spitfire Mk XVIs, La-7s and Ki-84's is doomed to perpetual disappointment.
And if so, they should fly it in one of the many other arenas.
- oldman
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I'd like to see the 190s and 109s get a exterior shape and interior update, especially the proper 3D canopys :old:
It makes sense if you have recently updated the p40 to follow through with another varient when you are at it.
Bf109s and Fw190s are already at AH2 standard. The units that are not AH2 standard need to be updated before revisiting any AH2 models happens, and then the Ki-84 and B-24 should be at the top of the list.
And if so, they should fly it in one of the many other arenas.
- oldman
Nothing wrong with flying a non-competitive fighter in the LWA just so long as you accept that is what you are doing. The P-40F fleshes out the options for scenarios and such.
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I would of liked the K instead of the F and the N. :old:
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I think its funny that whenever we get a new variety of an existing model, the whiners come out in force. And EVERY time, just like in this thread, people inform the whiners that adding a variant of an existing model is about 1000 times easier than making a model from scratch. Even knowing that, people wonder why their wish wasn't granted. Adding an incremental update like this is not even in the same category as adding a plane from scratch, and i wish people wouldn't treat it as such. Yeah, I would love to see an HE-111, and a KI-43, but those would exist on an entirely different path of development. HTC does listen to us, and im sure those planes will come in time, just like the Betty did recently. In the meantime, enjoy the game we have.
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More planes no tanks!
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Plus 2billion763million194thousand 261
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I know that some people will be very excited about a P-40F, and I am genuinely happy for you that it has been added. Anything that can add to a scenario is great in my opinion - but I personally just cannot get excited by it.
Beautiful looking bird though. Great work HTC.
Now how about another Ju-88 to shoot it with? :)
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Is it 10 mph faster? Big deal... But also 400lbs heavyer, while the E model is quite a brick too.
It fills no gap at all. Really isnt better than the E. Anyway, im still happy with this (food).
Im with Crazy Ivan.
It fills a rather large gap in the scenario/FSO/Snapshot line up.
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I would of liked the K instead of the F and the N. :old:
Curious as to why?
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Curious as to why?
cuz k is higher in the alphabet and they think its better :noid
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I know some people who will be very happy about this, I will give it a spin in AvA or in some scenario, but in MA I need something that has more speed to fight 190D/51s that can reset a fight as they please.
I think we should all be happy that there is progress.
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I know some people who will be very happy about this, I will give it a spin in AvA or in some scenario, but in MA I need something that has more speed to fight 190D/51s that can reset a fight as they please.
I think we should all be happy that there is progress.
What bird that we don't have do you think would fit that profile?
Seems to me if that's the worry, grab a Tempest or 262 and have at it :)
That or take the challenge of beating those latewar birds in an early or midwar bird. Good fun too. :aok
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I get it. It's historically important to have in the game. I personally didn't enjoy flying the E, but I will fly the F a couple times at least. I should probably fly earlier planes more and work on my technique & aim instead of depending on a low ENY fighter that chucks taters so I can spray them and get lucky.
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Not whinning, just stating a new fighter hasn't been added in atleast a year. Also with the Pyro, what plane would you like added thread tease. I think we're overdue just saying.
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Not whinning, just stating a new fighter hasn't been added in atleast a year. Also with the Pyro, what plane would you like added thread tease. I think we're overdue just saying.
B29/A6m3 say hi.
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B29/A6m3 say hi.
B29 is a bomber a6m3 a variant . :aok
Edit: before I'm corrected it's still a zero to me. :D
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B29/A6m3 say hi.
And the betty says "hi" too
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And the betty says "hi" too
yes that plane is a great fighter. 1 and done. ;)
Edit: Mosquito something, another bomber just getting it out of the way.
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At least they got the wheels right this time... :noid
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At least they got the wheels right this time... :noid
:rofl
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Not whinning, just stating a new fighter hasn't been added in atleast a year.
Has it been that long since we got the P-39?
- oldman
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I get it. It's historically important to have in the game. I personally didn't enjoy flying the E, but I will fly the F a couple times at least. I should probably fly earlier planes more and work on my technique & aim instead of depending on a low ENY fighter that chucks taters so I can spray them and get lucky.
Unless HTC is going to start adding what if's, Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe stuff, there really aren't going to be any latewar 'monsters' to add. Piston engine birds could only go so fast, and we've got the fastest, latest war birds already that saw combat in any sort of numbers. HTC could add the Meteor but it's not going to be a better fighter then a 262.
So filling out the plane set with the birds that really did most of the fighting makes the most sense.
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Dan,
The two possibly top tier LWA competitive piston fighters that I can think of that are left would be the Yak-3 and maybe the G.55.
There are also a bevy of tier two fighters, still usable with a bit of panache in the LWA, that could be added such as the Ki-44, J2M3 and Me410.
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Dan,
The two possibly top tier LWA competitive piston fighters that I can think of that are left would be the Yak-3 and maybe the G.55.
There are also a bevy of tier two fighters, still usable with a bit of panache in the LWA, that could be added such as the Ki-44, J2M3 and Me410.
I don't disagree. But what i see folks expecting is something that will clearly beat anything else, and it's just not out there.
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I don't disagree. But what i see folks expecting is something that will clearly beat anything else, and it's just not out there.
That is true.
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I don't disagree. But what i see folks expecting is something that will clearly beat anything else, and it's just not out there.
Well not "clearly" but I think that He162 and Meteor would have properties that would put them out there. Mainly thrust to weight ratio for the 162 and guns/speed combo for the Meteor. Also Spit 21 would be close aswell. And, if introduced, MA would see extremely heavy use of clipped/cropped LF.Mk.V. The usage of that thing would be much much higher than the use of YAK-3 for example.
...not that I'm saying that any of these things should be added any time soon tough...
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Yes we would love new stuff to play with...
But aren't we just plainly expecting too much too fast?
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Unless HTC is going to start adding what if's, Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe stuff, there really aren't going to be any latewar 'monsters' to add. Piston engine birds could only go so fast, and we've got the fastest, latest war birds already that saw combat in any sort of numbers. HTC could add the Meteor but it's not going to be a better fighter then a 262.
So filling out the plane set with the birds that really did most of the fighting makes the most sense.
^ Hits the nail on the head.
There's not a lot of world beaters left to be added to the game. I want to see new aircraft as well but I'm more interested in the stuff missing from the EW and MW lineups especially in the Japanese Italian and Russian ranks. I love to see things like the P-40F coming along as well. Here's hoping for a Hurr IIB with a Soviet armament option. :D
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Curious as to why?
10th AF
Kittyhawk Mk III
RAAF, RNZAF
V-1710-73 3000rpm wep has 250 more hp than the Merlin.
F mostly flown in the Med. Some in NA. The Free French got a few I believe, so did the Soviets, those turned down by the RAF.
K was flown by more countries. The later batches /10 /15 had the same short front end of the E and long rear end like the F.
Edit: Glares at TB :mad: :lol :cheers:
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Id like to see the Pacific sets filled out, early and late. IJN/AF USN, and Aussies/NZ too.
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10th AF
Kittyhawk Mk III
RAAF, RNZAF
V-1710-73 3000rpm wep has 250 more hp than the Merlin.
F mostly flown in the Med. Some in NA. The Free French got a few I believe, so did the Soviets, those turned down by the RAF.
K was flown by more countries. The later batches /10 /15 had the same short front end of the E and long rear end like the F.
Edit: Glares at TB :mad: :lol :cheers:
If we get the N, it covers more turf then the K though. And the RAF did have Merlin birds. SAAF squadrons had them and they were also flown in the PTO by the USAAF.
I have not problem with the K but it seems like the best compromise is the Merlin bird and hopefully an N model to cover all the turf.
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If we get the N, it covers more turf then the K though. And the RAF did have Merlin birds. SAAF squadrons had them and they were also flown in the PTO by the USAAF.
I have not problem with the K but it seems like the best compromise is the Merlin bird and hopefully an N model to cover all the turf.
More turf but not the important turf. There were 5k plus N's that's a little unfair as it would cover all the variants.
Well if the Merlin bird what this is about then it would be the L, as a stripped down model < armor, guns ..ahlaa ... "Gyspy Rose Lee" > and produced that way. Since were going for speed I'll be 4 miles ahead of you in an hour. :lol
If I had my way we would be going down the series instead of up, H75 or a CU
The K has what you want as an artist! Be straight up, not RAF loyal!
Allison American Made,
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Who knows, Maybe one of those yaks or Ki's might just show up on the front page as well. :old:
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More turf but not the important turf. There were 5k plus N's that's a little unfair as it would cover all the variants.
Well if the Merlin bird what this is about then it would be the L, as a stripped down model < armor, guns ..ahlaa ... "Gyspy Rose Lee" > and produced that way. Since were going for speed I'll be 4 miles ahead of you in an hour. :lol
If I had my way we would be going down the series instead of up, H75 or a CU
The K has what you want as an artist! Be straight up, not RAF loyal!
Allison American Made,
I'd love a Hawk 75, Mohawk P-36 or whatever version of the radial bird. I'm really pleased with the 40F though as that's the one that went off the carriers into North Africa. Those 4 Groups flying Merlin birds seem really important to me. If HTC adds the N and a Hawk 75 I think we'd have it made :)
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My understanding is the Allison powered E model didn't have WEP but the F with the Merlin engine did. Is this correct? If so, then shouldn't the E we have now (with WEP) be changed to reflect this?
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cuz k is higher in the alphabet and they think its better :noid
Darn, you beat me to it.
Even though it's true. :aok
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Question- will this be available for CVs?
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Question- will this be available for CVs?
No.
How is that even a question?
Nevermind.
What the "Flown off of CVs" means is delivered to the combat zone by carrier. Spitfire Vs were also delivered to the Med. Theater by being flown of carriers at times.
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No.
How is that even a question?
Nevermind.
Sorry, I don't sit in my underwear behind a computer screen all day reading books. A simple explanation was all I needed.
Thanks.
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What the "Flown off of CVs" means is delivered to the combat zone by carrier. Spitfire Vs were also delivered to the Med. Theater by being flown of carriers at times.
well, if it was flown off the carrier, its obviously a carrier bird, and therefore deserves to be a carrier bird in AH.
Duh :rolleyes:
Now brb, i have to go launch a surprise attack on a rook base by upping b25s from a cv.
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No.
How is that even a question?
its a question because theres a ? at the end of the sentence.
wasnt the P39 able to take off from CV's before?
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well, if it was flown off the carrier, its obviously a carrier bird, and therefore deserves to be a carrier bird in AH.
Duh :rolleyes:
Taking off from a carrier and landing on it are two different things. There may be examples of P-40s landing on carriers, but I doubt it. Would have required a very strong headwind or a big rock on a rope for the pilot to toss out of the plane when he hit the deck.
- oldman
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Sorry, I don't sit in my underwear behind a computer screen all day reading books. A simple explanation was all I needed.
Thanks.
Yeah, I remember Guppy's post until after I had posted that. I then went back and edited it to answer the question. Initially I thought you were just asking if it would be CV enabled out of the blue.
Sorry.
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Taking off from a carrier and landing on it are two different things. There may be examples of P-40s landing on carriers, but I doubt it. Would have required a very strong headwind or a big rock on a rope for the pilot to toss out of the plane when he hit the deck.
- oldman
I know, that was just my attempt at humor.
But now the p51 DID have carrier landing trials... :old:
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its a question because theres a ? at the end of the sentence.
wasnt the P39 able to take off from CV's before?
Happens a lot when new planes are added, and on some maps HTC doesn't disable them from CV use. You can actually up a tank on the CV deck if it's enabled.
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Happens a lot when new planes are added, and on some maps HTC doesn't disable them from CV use. You can actually up a tank on the CV deck if it's enabled.
i remember being able to take a panther on a CV deck the first day it came out because of that. but skuzzy was in the arena and ruined the fun after 4 minutes of it being enabled. :mad:
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Has it been that long since we got the P-39?
- oldman
AH has had the P-39 for a while. It was added while I was still playing, and I think the last time I played was last March.
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AH has had the P-39 for a while. It was added while I was still playing, and I think the last time I played was last March.
Didnt it get added in 07-08?
Thought it was on the same voting poll as the b25. came down to ether the b25 or the p39, with the b25 winning.
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AH has had the P-39 for a while. It was added while I was still playing, and I think the last time I played was last March.
I see a Banshee online quite a bit - but I think its Banshee5 or something like that
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My understanding is the Allison powered E model didn't have WEP but the F with the Merlin engine did. Is this correct? If so, then shouldn't the E we have now (with WEP) be changed to reflect this?
Call me too lazy to look it up and quote it directly today - but I think the original news release mentioned/hinted to an overall adjustment to the entire lineup to more accuratley represent all the P-40s, including this newest addition.
Wouldn't be the worst thing if your predicition comes true, I think that means the E's overall max power rating without wep will go up a bit now, kind of a buff to it if you forget the plane ever had WEP in the first place or often ran out of it by running the engine too hot.
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I see a Banshee online quite a bit - but I think its Banshee5 or something like that
yes hes a raw pawn
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Didnt it get added in 07-08?
Thought it was on the same voting poll as the b25. came down to ether the b25 or the p39, with the b25 winning.
I was thinking 09.
I see a Banshee online quite a bit - but I think its Banshee5 or something like that
Yeah, there's a Banshee5. Not me. I'm having withdrawals!
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Best I could find is this;
http://warbirdsofww2.tripod.com/p-40.htm
P-40F is near the middle/bottom
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Not a bad looking bird. The recently restored and flown Merlin P40 at Duxford.
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6132/6005580739_5172eb122d_b.jpg)
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Not a bad looking bird.
P-40s may not be ugly, but they are certainly down there around the bottom of the beauty list. Practically all american rides that followed the "put in the biggest engine we have, strap on lots of guns and now lets see how badass this looks" philosophy are nicer to look at than the P-40. Perhaps BECAUSE someone tried to make it look good that it isn't - they should have gone the steampunk way like with the radials.
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Easy way and quicker way to get the new Plane-X new Vehicle-Y or revamp of X or Y you want is contact HiTech find out the cost of what you want. Get with other players that want the same thing and CUT THEM A CHECK! The ststement of I pay my 15 dollars just dosent cut it anymore, if you cant or wont do that stop crying. New stuff will come after all bills are payed first. Just my 15 dollar rant.
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French Merlin-Hawks in Color P-40F
http://vintageaeroplanewriter.blogspot.com/2011/02/french-merlin-hawks-in-colour.html
Of interest: Lt J.J. Ketcher gets his plane blessed buy the priest. He is a full blooded Cherokee.
(http://asisbiz.com/il2/P-40-RAF-SAAF/FAF-GCII.5-W1-Rozanoff/images/0-P-40F-FAF-GCII.5-Lafayette-W1-Rozanoff-Tunisia-1943-0A.jpg)
"One hundred and fifty P-40Fs were supplied to the RAF under Lend-Lease. The RAF assigned them the name Kittyhawk II. The Kittyhawk IIs were offset from USAAF allocations 41-13697/14599. RAF serials were FL219/448. Unfortunately, P-40Ls were also mixed in with this lot with no mark distinctions, so it is impossible to tell which planes were Fs and which were Ls by merely looking at the RAF serial number. In the event, very few of these aircraft actually served with the RAF. FL273 and FL369-448 were returned to the USAAF for use in North Africa in 1942/43. FL230/232, 235, 236, 239/240 were lost at sea before reaching the RAF. FL263, 270, 276, 280, 383, 305, and 307 were handed over to the Free French, who operated them in North Africa. 100 were transferred to the USSR."
A number of P-40Fs were selected at random, withdrawn from operational service, and fitted with Allison V-1610-81 in place of their original Merlins. These planes were intended for training duties. These were re designated P-40R-1. Similar conversions from the P-40L were designated P-40R-2. Army records report that over 600 such conversions were made.
That takes care of about 750 of 1100. The Merlins didn't do as well as was thought and were replaced and gone by the time the K shows up.
I am happy we got a plane for the P-40French ...Finally! But we still need the H75, K and N to fill out the set.
No Doubt,
Edit: this should keep the kids guessing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nQrSJA7RVA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nQrSJA7RVA)
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Are the 40F and 40L basically the same plane? So skins for both allowed on 40F?
Agree for sure about P-40N, and would love to see P-40K as it is a favorite of mine because it looks like such a clunky mashup. Absolutlely none of the graceful lines of the P-39, for example. But you gotta love it, and the brave guys who flew it into battle.
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Are the 40F and 40L basically the same plane? So skins for both allowed on 40F?
Agree for sure about P-40N, and would love to see P-40K as it is a favorite of mine because it looks like such a clunky mashup. Absolutlely none of the graceful lines of the P-39, for example. But you gotta love it, and the brave guys who flew it into battle.
Absolutely the K and the brave men, Yes buy having the F you get the L by proxy and I would hope the skins for both.
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I'm looking forward to seeing how she flys :aok
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P-40s may not be ugly, but they are certainly down there around the bottom of the beauty list. Practically all american rides that followed the "put in the biggest engine we have, strap on lots of guns and now lets see how badass this looks" philosophy are nicer to look at than the P-40. Perhaps BECAUSE someone tried to make it look good that it isn't - they should have gone the steampunk way like with the radials.
I find the P40 E to be the baddest looking bird of all
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P-40s may not be ugly, but they are certainly down there around the bottom of the beauty list. Practically all american rides that followed the "put in the biggest engine we have, strap on lots of guns and now lets see how badass this looks" philosophy are nicer to look at than the P-40. Perhaps BECAUSE someone tried to make it look good that it isn't - they should have gone the steampunk way like with the radials.
Its one of the toughest looking birds of WW2. slap a shark mouth on there and you got an intimidating looking bird.
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French Merlin-Hawks in Color P-40F
http://vintageaeroplanewriter.blogspot.com/2011/02/french-merlin-hawks-in-colour.html
Of interest: Lt J.J. Ketcher gets his plane blessed buy the priest. He is a full blooded Cherokee.
(http://asisbiz.com/il2/P-40-RAF-SAAF/FAF-GCII.5-W1-Rozanoff/images/0-P-40F-FAF-GCII.5-Lafayette-W1-Rozanoff-Tunisia-1943-0A.jpg)
"One hundred and fifty P-40Fs were supplied to the RAF under Lend-Lease. The RAF assigned them the name Kittyhawk II. The Kittyhawk IIs were offset from USAAF allocations 41-13697/14599. RAF serials were FL219/448. Unfortunately, P-40Ls were also mixed in with this lot with no mark distinctions, so it is impossible to tell which planes were Fs and which were Ls by merely looking at the RAF serial number. In the event, very few of these aircraft actually served with the RAF. FL273 and FL369-448 were returned to the USAAF for use in North Africa in 1942/43. FL230/232, 235, 236, 239/240 were lost at sea before reaching the RAF. FL263, 270, 276, 280, 383, 305, and 307 were handed over to the Free French, who operated them in North Africa. 100 were transferred to the USSR."
A number of P-40Fs were selected at random, withdrawn from operational service, and fitted with Allison V-1610-81 in place of their original Merlins. These planes were intended for training duties. These were re designated P-40R-1. Similar conversions from the P-40L were designated P-40R-2. Army records report that over 600 such conversions were made.
That takes care of about 750 of 1100. The Merlins didn't do as well as was thought and were replaced and gone by the time the K shows up.
I am happy we got a plane for the P-40French ...Finally! But we still need the H75, K and N to fill out the set.
No Doubt,
Edit: this should keep the kids guessing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nQrSJA7RVA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nQrSJA7RVA)
awesome :O
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Now I want a 410 to make this new allied target look alittle bit better. :devil
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Now I want a 410 to make this new allied target look alittle bit better. :devil
I think the 410 will make the P40F look a little too much better. :D
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I find the P40 E to be the baddest looking bird of all
Its one of the toughest looking birds of WW2. slap a shark mouth on there and you got an intimidating looking bird.
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/great_P40.jpg)
Good Wallpaper,
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(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/great_P40.jpg)
Good Wallpaper,
:aok
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(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/great_P40.jpg)
Good Wallpaper,
A lot more intimidating from that angle.
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I like this angle :D
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/latest.jpg)
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Is there any printed data on climb rates, etc? The speeds are supposedly higher for the F over the E, but I'm curious if the extra power of the Merlin can over come the extra weight for an improved climb and sustained turn.
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See Rule #6
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See Rule #6
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See Rule #6
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Now I want a 410 to make this new allied target look alittle bit better. :devil
[size=9]Agreed.[/size] :aok
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And, if introduced, MA would see extremely heavy use of clipped/cropped LF.Mk.V. The usage of that thing would be much much higher than the use of YAK-3 for example.
Speculation on the Yak 3's usage should be characterized as just that and not fact. Coming from a game that had both the clipped wing Spit 5 AND the Yak 3, my personal experience is that the Yak 3 was far and away the more popular aircraft in the main arena. There are a few other variables to be thrown into the comparison, such as the fact that Fighter Ace had country specific planesets for US, JP, SU, GB, and GE and the maps were divvied up accordingly, but even in FA's "Free For All" room (comparable to AH's DA and a room where u flew what u wanted) the Yak 3 was probably the best all around dogfighter and thusly VERY popular. Unlimited ammo in FA's FFA room is another variable that would have played into it's popularity.
I'm still in disbelief that AH doesn't have the Yak 3 given it's capability, usage in ww2, and popularity in a game from which more than a few migrated to AH when it closed it's doors.
:salute Nish
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Speculation on the Yak 3's usage should be characterized as just that and not fact. Coming from a game that had both the clipped wing Spit 5 AND the Yak 3, my personal experience is that the Yak 3 was far and away the more popular aircraft in the main arena.
Well my opinion is formed based on 11 year experince in AH which, unlike Fighter Ace, actually has fairly accurate flight models and actually looking at the real performance data of the Spit in question. LF.Mk.V with cropped impeller was far more than "just a Spit V with clipped wings".
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It sure would be nice to get the P-40L as a option on the P-40F in the hanger.
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Well my opinion is formed based on 11 year experince in AH which, unlike Fighter Ace, actually has fairly accurate flight models and actually looking at the real performance data of the Spit in question. LF.Mk.V with cropped impeller was far more than "just a Spit V with clipped wings".
Well I suppose it's very easy to kick a dead horse, but my opinion is based on a 13+ year experience with that game, which in spite of what you have been led to believe... DID, like this game..... attempt to "get it right" with regards to flight models and was subjected to much scrutiny and debate in our forums just as I have witnessed on these forums. To the victor goes the spoils and I suppose I should expect a certain amount of chest thumping and disdain for, and disrespect towards our dearly departed game, but I submit FA's failure had nothing to do subpar flight modelling and had everything to do with a failure to realize the value of advertising.
I suppose we could debate FA's flight modelling and research till the cows come home, but it still won't change the fact that you presented your opinion as fact when I have seen evidence to the contrary... albeit in a game that the illustrious WMaker deemed unworthy of any valued input.
I only endeavoured to offer up anecdotal evidence from another game which had both planes available (yes the Spit LF.Mk.V) to it's clientele and my observations regarding usage of both of those planes. A head to head match-up between the two planes specs was NOT the intent.
I will say that I am unaware of the Luftwaffe issuing the same "do not engage" orders for any plane other than the feared Yak 3.
:salute Nish
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Beautiful aircraft & historically a very well known profile from war movies & photo's...too bad it's a pig. :rolleyes:
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As opposed to the 6 109's we have? Or maybe the 5 190's?
:neener: :)
We have plenty of both. We need planes that will help events. Not sure what a P-40F does for them.
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We have plenty of both. We need planes that will help events. Not sure what a P-40F does for them.
It saw a bulk of its use in North Africa. Not exactly filling a gap in the plane set, but worthy of inclusion as Afrika Corp fodder. :devil
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We have plenty of both. We need planes that will help events. Not sure what a P-40F does for them.
It was the primary USAAF P40 variant in North Africa, Sicily and up into Italy being replaced by P47s in early 44. That's a lot of event time. Considering North Africa, Operation Husky in Sicily and up the boot of Italy through the Anzio time frame.
Now those scenarios can be done more accurately with the correct 40s for both the RAF and the USAAF
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Well I suppose it's very easy to kick a dead horse, but my opinion is based on a 13+ year experience with that game, which in spite of what you have been led to believe... DID, like this game..... attempt to "get it right" with regards to flight models and was subjected to much scrutiny and debate in our forums just as I have witnessed on these forums. To the victor goes the spoils and I suppose I should expect a certain amount of chest thumping and disdain for, and disrespect towards our dearly departed game, but I submit FA's failure had nothing to do subpar flight modelling and had everything to do with a failure to realize the value of advertising.
I suppose we could debate FA's flight modelling and research till the cows come home, but it still won't change the fact that you presented your opinion as fact when I have seen evidence to the contrary... albeit in a game that the illustrious WMaker deemed unworthy of any valued input.
I only endeavoured to offer up anecdotal evidence from another game which had both planes available (yes the Spit LF.Mk.V) to it's clientele and my observations regarding usage of both of those planes. A head to head match-up between the two planes specs was NOT the intent.
I will say that I am unaware of the Luftwaffe issuing the same "do not engage" orders for any plane other than the feared Yak 3.
AFAIK, normal LF.V didn't have a cropped impeller and had MAP of +16lbs (AH Spit V used to have +16lbs boost) on the deck while the one with the cropped impeller had +18lbs. It actually makes quite a difference. Spit F.Mk.9 in AH does roughly 330mph at 2000ft while the LF.V with +18lbs boost did 334mph and this is for the non clipped version. With clipped wingtips it would be even faster (http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spitfire-V.html (http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spitfire-V.html), the last dataset). It's weight is almost the same as the weight of Spit V in AH. It would also out climb Spit 9 in AH by roughly 1000ft/min (!!) at 3800ft's altitude. Currently, the usage of the Spit9 is more than twice the usage of Yak-9U. Yak-3's power loading, wingloading are very close to the Yak-9U and it is also a bit slower than the Yak-9U. In other words it doesn't offer any significant improvement over the Yak-9U while the Spit LF.V with cropped impeller would be a monster down low where it matters in AH.
The fact that the LF.V with cropped impeller would see more use in AH than YAk-3 is a no brainer. Would it be good for AH to add such a spit is another matter entirely.
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Just a tad bit of performance difference between the FVb of 41 and the LFVb that was about in 43
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Vb.jpg)
Identical look and close on the production line serial numbers but engined for different work
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/LFVb.jpg)
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It was the primary USAAF P40 variant in North Africa, Sicily and up into Italy being replaced by P47s in early 44. That's a lot of event time. Considering North Africa, Operation Husky in Sicily and up the boot of Italy through the Anzio time frame.
Now those scenarios can be done more accurately with the correct 40s for both the RAF and the USAAF
Still doesnt do much. Nothing a P40E cant do.
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Still doesnt do much. Nothing a P40E cant do.
That's yet to be seen. I think you'll be pleasantly surprized. Watch out Spitfires, there's a new kid on the block :t
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That's yet to be seen. I think you'll be pleasantly surprized. Watch out Spitfires, there's a new kid on the block :t
I know it's not in my sig anymore, but I feel the need to post it here...
"Now, if I had to make the choice of one fighter aircraft above all the others...it would be, without any doubt, the world's greatest propeller driven flying machine - the magnificent and immortal Spitfire."
Lt. Col. William R. Dunn
flew Spitfires, Hurricanes, P-51s, P-47s, and F-4s
:devil
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Still doesnt do much. Nothing a P40E cant do.
You wouldn't fly either one anyway right? At least this way you can shoot down the correct model :aok
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I know it's not in my sig anymore, but I feel the need to post it here...
"Now, if I had to make the choice of one fighter aircraft above all the others...it would be, without any doubt, the world's greatest propeller driven flying machine - the magnificent and immortal Spitfire."
Lt. Col. William R. Dunn
flew Spitfires, Hurricanes, P-51s, P-47s, and F-4s
:devil
:lol you're good
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You wouldn't fly either one anyway right? At least this way you can shoot down the correct model :aok
You win. Sorry I spoke :bolt:
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You win. Sorry I spoke :bolt:
:lol
classic
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You wouldn't fly anything above 7k anyway right? At least this way you can shoot down the correct model :aok
Fixed. :D
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It was the primary USAAF P40 variant in North Africa, Sicily and up into Italy being replaced by P47s in early 44. That's a lot of event time. Considering North Africa, Operation Husky in Sicily and up the boot of Italy through the Anzio time frame.
Now those scenarios can be done more accurately with the correct 40s for both the RAF and the USAAF
I just don't know how they came up with the F <and not the L if they wanted a Merlin and a mid varient> over the K. Maybe we will still get the K. :rock
The 1st 699 ..96 P40-F/CU & 603 P40F/1 ,more than half of the P-40F's made , were P40E's w/a Merlina and they called it an F.
At least all the L's had the extended fuselage :headscratch:
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I just don't know how they came up with the F <and not the L if they wanted a Merlin and a mid varient> over the K. Maybe we will still get the K. :rock
The 1st 699 ..96 P40-F/CU & 603 P40F/1 ,more than half of the P-40F's made , were P40E's w/a Merlina and they called it an F.
At least all the L's had the extended fuselage :headscratch:
Not being in on the decision making process of HTC I have no idea, but I would guess you answered your own question as it would be easier to model it off the existing P40E they had instead of having to redo the tail
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They did remodel the tail - it looks like we're getting the stretched fuselage "F", so dunno why they didn't choose to model it as the "L" instead. Not sure what the difference is either.
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The 2 major difference between the F and the L are;
1. removing two of the machine guns
2. removing 250 ponds of armor, mostly from around the engine
This resulted in only a minimal top speed increase (about 4mph) but it did make a noticeable improvement to maneuverability.