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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dichotomy on September 23, 2011, 08:01:53 PM
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I want blood!! I want suffering!!! I want souls!!
Squid comes in and says there are two dogs running around the neighborhood so I go have a look. Spot dog a cheerfully sniffing the fluff ball that one of my neighbors walks every night. Along comes the neighborhood busybody 'there's two dogs running loose around here' 'are they friendly?' 'yes but they're getting up in peoples faces, trying to get in houses and scaring kids and they won't come when you call them'
So I head towards dog a, convince him to go into my back yard, and lock the gate. Squid gets water and a doggie treat and all is well.
'wont come huh?' Yaright.
'I've called animal control and they're on their way'
Oh great... pronounce a potential death sentence on a non aggressive dog. Put the Twinkies and the binoculars down lardo.
So I go looking for dog b. Find him. In the back of a patrol car with another one blocking the street. I tell the cop I have dog a. So they follow me to my house (cops at my house on a Friday night? Nobody is shocked I'm sure) and we coax him into the car (against everything in my soul).
Both of these dogs were friendly, clean, and not bad looking for mutts, but were devoid of tags.
So, who am I mad at?
THE !#$%TARDS THAT DUMPED THEIR DOGS!!!! DIE, PAINFULLY, SLOWLY, AND SCREAMING ON YOUR TRIP TO HELL.
The neighborhood busybody not so much but, if she'd given me a half hour, I'd have corralled them for at least a weekend and tried to find their owners or a good home.
I can't take both but I'm considering adopting one when they get to the kennel. Just don't know how Kojak is going to like that.
I still want blood.
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Yup. People need to take responsibility for their animals and keep them on their own property.
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i say people need to prove their responsibility to the pet stores before they let them take the pet home. that was definately enough proof for me to say that without hesitation.
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It's just a dog. Well, it could be dinner to some folks...
I also hate animal abuse and I think that there is a special place in hell for people who abandon pets (especially kittens), but get a grip man. Some people actually ACT on the feelings you're having, and when that happens you get the UK. The bloody UK where an American pilot got a $1000 fine and a criminal record because he drove over a nest that had fallen behind his car sometime during the night, and the animal cruelty cops saw the flat nest and charged him with torturing and killing nesting animals, which can apparently get you jail time in the UK. He was lucky to get a mere criminal record and a huge fine.
So take a chill pill before someone "does something" about it. Seriously. I've seen the alternative during 2 years I lived in the UK, and it isn't pretty.
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bro I've got a firm grip. There's a major difference between a wild animal and a domesticated one. Those dogs didn't know wtf was going on. They were scared because they were raised in a life of comfort and security. Wild animals aren't and toejam happens.
The issue I have is if you take the responsibility for taking care of another life and that being puts their trust in you it's not something you can just casually say '@#$$ it.... no can do anymore' and walk away without me thinking you're the scum of the earth.
Betraying the kind of trust that a pet, which these obviously were, will give you is the basest form of cowardice in my opinion.
Wild animals deal with the life of 'S$#% happens' and I'm okay with that. Domesticated animals. You asked for it then deal with it or be considered a POS in my book.
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How people get so upset over dogs or cats is beyond me. At the end of the day they are just animals.
I am sure some of the same people who get so upset also enjoy a fine steak or a nice pork chop.
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How people get so upset over dogs or cats is beyond me. At the end of the day they are just animals.
I am sure some of the same people who get so upset also enjoy a fine steak or a nice pork chop.
How can you compare a domesticated pet to livestock? You're a bit off base here.
EDIT: I agree Dicho. People that take a pet in and then abandon it are on par with the lowest forms of humanity. I hope that the dogs that you were dealing with were just escape artists that happened to get out and will return to their homes to find a worried and relieved owner.
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Well Kilo it's kind of like this.
We domesticated certain animals as pets and taught them to be dependent on us.
When somebody takes the responsibility to take care of said animal be it a dog, cat, gerbil, or goldfish, they made a vow to that animal to protect them and care for them to the best of their abilities. We teach them to be dependent on us for food, shelter, and quality of life. Turning a domesticated animal out because you can't deal with or take care of them is pretty much a death sentence for most of them. Preceded by a period of confusion, angst, and wtf ever that animals feel. If you don't think animals have emotions you haven't been around a lot of animals. They do.
Animals and children dude. Abuse them and my blood boils.
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People who abandon and leave their pets for dead should really be slaughtered painfully, I have no respect for animal Abusers, and further question why they live to begin with to just do that
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you are a good man dicho, for adopting that dog. I have done it myself together with my girlriend, we adopted a dog that was ran over once as a puppy, he is happy as a clown here. :D
If you can start the day without caffeine, if you can get along without pep pills, if you can always be cheerful, ignoring aches and pains, if you can resist complaining and boring people with your troubles,
If you can eat the same food every day and be grateful for it, if you can understand when your loved ones are too busy to give you any time, if you can overlook it when those you love take it out on you when, though no fault of yours, something goes wrong,
If you can take criticism and blame without resentment, if you can ignore a friend's limited education and never correct him/her, if you can resist treating a rich friend better than a poor friend,
If you can face the world without lies and deceit, if you can conquer tension without medical help, if you can relax without liquor, if you can sleep without the aid of drugs,
If you can honestly say that deep in your heart you have no prejudice against creed, color, religion or politics,
Then, my friend, you are ALMOST as good as your dog.
http://franciskong.com/inspiration/almost-as-good-as-your-dog/
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How can you compare a domesticated pet to livestock? You're a bit off base here.
Easy. How can you separate the two? They both feel they both have some semblance of emotion. We just eat one and pet the other.
Not to sound hippie because I eat red meat and love it.
Well Kilo it's kind of like this.
We domesticated certain animals as pets and taught them to be dependent on us.
When somebody takes the responsibility to take care of said animal be it a dog, cat, gerbil, or goldfish, they made a vow to that animal to protect them and care for them to the best of their abilities. We teach them to be dependent on us for food, shelter, and quality of life. Turning a domesticated animal out because you can't deal with or take care of them is pretty much a death sentence for most of them. Preceded by a period of confusion, angst, and wtf ever that animals feel. If you don't think animals have emotions you haven't been around a lot of animals. They do.
Animals and children dude. Abuse them and my blood boils.
You could say that cattle are dependent on us to live and we kill them D-E-A-D and then eat them. Animals are animals. I don't think we should abuse them but when I see some dude getting 5 years in prison for abusing a animal I just shake my head.
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Just an aside.. Kojak was a rescue..
The day I picked him up
(http://axisvsallies.com/albums/userpics/10001/KojakNov2120103.jpg)
two weeks ago
(http://axisvsallies.com/albums/userpics/10001/DSC_0047~0.jpg)
He's dumb as a brick. Squirrels outsmart him all of the time. And I could care less. He's a good dog. And a good dog is a great thing.
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Just an aside.. Kojak was a rescue..
The day I picked him up
(http://axisvsallies.com/albums/userpics/10001/KojakNov2120103.jpg)
two weeks ago
(http://axisvsallies.com/albums/userpics/10001/DSC_0047~0.jpg)
He's dumb as a brick. Squirrels outsmart him all of the time. And I could care less. He's a good dog. And a good dog is a great thing.
Irish setter and Dalmatian I'm guessing. Pretty dog, and +1 a good dog is a great thing.
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I don't think we should abuse them but when I see some dude getting 5 years in prison for abusing a animal I just shake my head.
There's quite a bit of difference between a cow that has been turned out to graze and a cow that has been raised as an FAA project. Grazing cows depend on their ability to find forage. Cows that are raised as trophies and breeding stock are treated substantially differently.
Dogs, in my country, are not raised to be food.
But let's disconnect.
I HATE cats. I loathe them, despise them, and consider them to be one step above rats.
But if I saw somebody throw a domesticated cat out to fend for themselves after years of being cared for by humans I'd be equally livid. Let's take it to the next level. If I saw somebody throw and FFA cow out in my neighborhood that was just a 'dumb' animal that didn't know she was trashing my lawn I'd still want their blood.
Actually it would be much more fun to drop their owner in Afghanistan without a phrase book and see how well they fared.
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People who abandon and leave their pets for dead should really be slaughtered painfully, I have no respect for animal Abusers, and further question why they live to begin with to just do that
Really? You value the life of an animal, ANY animal, above that of a human (ANY human)?
That's sick. Really sick. You ought to examine what you really think about some things before you go spouting off stuff like this.
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Irish setter and Dalmatian I'm guessing. Pretty dog, and +1 a good dog is a great thing.
Llewellin Setter actually.. Subspecies of English setter
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This is Bob the dog. I'm flying him to Amarillo on Friday for a Paws N Pilots flight. I'm taking care of him for a few days because the shelter wanted him out, and the lady who adopted him (sight unseen) lives in Idaho. If she hadnt adopted him they would have killed him. He's a really sweet dog, and I dont see how anyone could have been mean to him, but it gets worse.
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/303175_2021517778073_1247804014_31772668_291287022_n.jpg)
Someone thought it would be fun to shoot him with a pellet gun - The vet counted 13 pellets and pulled them out and cleaned them. I'd LOVE to meet the dickhead who shot him about 100 yards downrange.
I'd shoot him 13 times, but not with a pellet gun.
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Really? You value the life of an animal, ANY animal, above that of a human (ANY human)?
That's sick. Really sick. You ought to examine what you really think about some things before you go spouting off stuff like this.
Tap the brakes Eagl..
Dude.. if it came down to Kojak or a human baby I know the human would win in that instance. I pray I'm never put in that position. We're talking about wanton abuse here of another sentient being.
Nice looking dog Tup <S>
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Someone thought it would be fun to shoot him with a pellet gun - The vet counted 13 pellets and pulled them out and cleaned them.
That's pretty sick. That sort of thing is exactly what "community service" penalties are for... Don't shoot the perps (my point about a human being worth more than any animal applies here), just make them do a few hundred hours of community service in the local animal shelter. Let them CARE for animals that are hurt or abandoned. Make them do it long enough to develop bonds with some of the animals and still have to watch those animals either die from their injuries, or get put down for lack of a home.
That's what those sick people need. Some well-chosen life experiences.
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I guess we can all agree animals should not endure abuse no matter their lot in life.
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How people get so upset over dogs or cats is beyond me. At the end of the day they are just animals.
At the end of the day you, also, are just an animal.
Is it not the same?
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At the end of the day you, also, are just an animal.
Is it not the same?
No it's not.
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No it's not.
Animal lovers drive me crazy. Its an animal. Nothing even close to a human nor are their lives even close to being as valuable to a human life. Shooting a dog with a pellet gun is stupid but the person ABSOLUTELY shouldn't be killed over it. Dumping animals off really isn't that big of deal. I can't even begin to understand why someone would want to kill A HUMAN BEING for dumping an animal out. After all they are animals, and natural instinct will kick in. Their chance of survival is very high. Even if they do die or get killed they just become part of the circle of life. Something will eat them and in turn something will probably eat what ever ate the dog or cat or whatever. I really don't see any reason to get all hyped up because someone dumped some animals out. Big woop, it happens almost daily here.
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dropping an animal that has become dependant on YOU to feed it and house it "no big deal"?? WOW that is sic.so it is ok to doom an animal to slow starvation and parasites? :headscratch:
I have two dogs and two kids if the house was on fire the dogs would be on their own until I got my kids out,I would go back for the dogs only if my family was safe first. I damn sure would do everything in my power to save my mutts even if they are not so called working dogs,they are valuable to me.
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The bloody UK where an American pilot got a $1000 fine and a criminal record because he drove over a nest that had fallen behind his car sometime during the night, and the animal cruelty cops saw the flat nest and charged him with torturing and killing nesting animals, which can apparently get you jail time in the UK. He was lucky to get a mere criminal record and a huge fine.
this sounds like an urban myth to me - afaik the police dont even have an animal protection unit, and http://www.google.com/search?q=us+citizen+fined+for+running+over+birds+nest+in+uk (http://www.google.com/search?q=us+citizen+fined+for+running+over+birds+nest+in+uk) yields nothing :headscratch:
did you by any chance hear this from that tv political pundit? you know, the guy that cries alot?
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I like Steak... I like Lamb.... I like Pork... etc etc...
But any life form that is non harmful to humans and not a primary food stuff should not only be treated with utmost respect.. but should be befriended and treated with dignity and care. They have emotions... needs... wants... just like us. While we are sentient life forms.. animals live and breathe and feel pain as well as pleasure. Unless we eat them or they threaten our lives or the ecosystem... let them live and enjoy living.
Pacman
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Animal lovers drive me crazy. Its an animal. Nothing even close to a human nor are their lives even close to being as valuable to a human life. Shooting a dog with a pellet gun is stupid but the person ABSOLUTELY shouldn't be killed over it. Dumping animals off really isn't that big of deal. I can't even begin to understand why someone would want to kill A HUMAN BEING for dumping an animal out. After all they are animals, and natural instinct will kick in. Their chance of survival is very high. Even if they do die or get killed they just become part of the circle of life. Something will eat them and in turn something will probably eat what ever ate the dog or cat or whatever. I really don't see any reason to get all hyped up because someone dumped some animals out. Big woop, it happens almost daily here.
There's so much wrong in what you just said that I'm not even going to bother with detail. Get yourself fixed and don't infest the gene pool any worse than it is already... mmkay?
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But any life form that is non harmful to humans and not a primary food stuff should not only be treated with utmost respect.. but should be befriended and treated with dignity and care. They have emotions... needs... wants... just like us. While we are sentient life forms.. animals live and breathe and feel pain as well as pleasure. Unless we eat them or they threaten our lives or the ecosystem... let them live and enjoy living.
Tell that to the folks turning horses into Alpo, and Elmers
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Really? You value the life of an animal, ANY animal, above that of a human (ANY human)?
Oh heck yes. Being human doesn't give you a "get outa jail free" card.
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This is Bob the dog. I'm flying him to Amarillo on Friday for a Paws N Pilots flight. I'm taking care of him for a few days because the shelter wanted him out, and the lady who adopted him (sight unseen) lives in Idaho. If she hadnt adopted him they would have killed him. He's a really sweet dog, and I dont see how anyone could have been mean to him, but it gets worse.
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/303175_2021517778073_1247804014_31772668_291287022_n.jpg)
Someone thought it would be fun to shoot him with a pellet gun - The vet counted 13 pellets and pulled them out and cleaned them. I'd LOVE to meet the dickhead who shot him about 100 yards downrange.
I'd shoot him 13 times, but not with a pellet gun.
He was probably dragging their trash through their yard. A nuisance animal is a nuisanse animal. Be it a squirrel, cat, chipmunk or dog, if it is in my yard it will be dealt with. People need to learn to keep their animals in their yard.
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He was probably dragging their trash through their yard.
Really????
13 rounds. One well placed pellet would do the trick, if your a dee da dee and don't know how to make a dog leave your yard without a firearm.
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He was probably dragging their trash through their yard. A nuisance animal is a nuisanse animal. Be it a squirrel, cat, chipmunk or dog, if it is in my yard it will be dealt with. People need to learn to keep their animals in their yard.
Let me get this straight. You're telling me you can't run a dog out of your yard WITHOUT a firearm?
If the above statement is true you need to turn your man card in.
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I'm not going to take my chances with a possibly rabid dog. People need to learn how to keep their animals in their yard. My neighbors have two pit bulls that they can't seem to keep on a chain. The last time they were in my yard, they were warned, through animal control, that I have a shot gun and am not afraid to use it. I have young children and I will not be threatened by a stray animal and I'm tired of picking up trash.
The funny thing is.. They suddenly figured out how to work a dog chain.
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There is a major difference between potentially aggressive animals and the type I described in my initial post. Had either of the dogs I was referring to acted in an aggressive manner I could have corralled it with a blanket and a little help from Squid without hurting myself or anybody else. Well the dog might have hurt itself. It's not hard honestly but I don't expect everybody in the world to know how to do it or attempt to learn on the fly.
Yes, to protect your children or yourself, fire away. It sucks but you have to do what you have to do. Frankly I think the neighbor deserves the buckshot more than the dog but the dog is probably beyond redemption at this point.
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So you know whos dog it is, and you'd shoot it anyway?
I hope you're trolling.
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So you know whos dog it is, and you'd shoot it anyway?
I hope you're trolling.
You're damned right I would. And they know it too. Funny how since this little revelation has been brought to their attention that they can suddenly keep their dog in their yard.
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-1 for people who let their dogs run lose
-1 for people who keep their dogs confined to 10 feet of chain at all times.
people who let their dogs run wild is pretty lame, but also some owners keep animals prisoner more than anything else. I cannot help but feel that the owners who make animals live in relatively small spaces forever are worse than those who abandon animals IMO.
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Sorry but anyone who drops animals off in remote places NEEDS to have the same thing done to them. Let's see them survive fending for themself.
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this sounds like an urban myth to me - afaik the police dont even have an animal protection unit, and http://www.google.com/search?q=us+citizen+fined+for+running+over+birds+nest+in+uk (http://www.google.com/search?q=us+citizen+fined+for+running+over+birds+nest+in+uk) yields nothing :headscratch:
did you by any chance hear this from that tv political pundit? you know, the guy that cries alot?
We got it during the in-processing briefing from an ex-cop who was tasked with briefing Americans on weird UK laws that could bite us in the butt. The Brits have some very very strong animal and wildlife protection laws, and messing with a bird nest is a big deal, violating multiple rules. Their version of our SPCA actually has legal authority to levy fines and take people to court.
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So you know whos dog it is, and you'd shoot it anyway?
I hope you're trolling.
I have small kids, and here in TX there have been a number of cases of loose dogs mauling or killing kids, plus I'm in an area with lots of wildlife so rabies and other diseases are a big possibility. So if a dog that could hurt or kill my kids gets into my yard, yea I might shoot the thing especially if it was a repeat occurrence or the neighbor was a jerk about it.
I do have neighbors with dogs that are ok with kids and they are nice neighbors, so I wouldn't shoot their dogs. But if any sort of pit or pit crossbreed shows up, I may snipe it from the other side of the fence or from the second floor. I refuse to risk ANY harm to myself or my family from any animal that isn't my voluntary responsibility.
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I have small kids, and here in TX there have been a number of cases of loose dogs mauling or killing kids, plus I'm in an area with lots of wildlife so rabies and other diseases are a big possibility. So if a dog that could hurt or kill my kids gets into my yard, yea I might shoot the thing especially if it was a repeat occurrence or the neighbor was a jerk about it.
I do have neighbors with dogs that are ok with kids and they are nice neighbors, so I wouldn't shoot their dogs. But if any sort of pit or pit crossbreed shows up, I may snipe it from the other side of the fence or from the second floor. I refuse to risk ANY harm to myself or my family from any animal that isn't my voluntary responsibility.
Amen and pass the ammo.
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This is Bob the dog. I'm flying him to Amarillo on Friday for a Paws N Pilots flight. I'm taking care of him for a few days because the shelter wanted him out, and the lady who adopted him (sight unseen) lives in Idaho. If she hadnt adopted him they would have killed him. He's a really sweet dog, and I dont see how anyone could have been mean to him, but it gets worse.
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/303175_2021517778073_1247804014_31772668_291287022_n.jpg)
Someone thought it would be fun to shoot him with a pellet gun - The vet counted 13 pellets and pulled them out and cleaned them. I'd LOVE to meet the dickhead who shot him about 100 yards downrange.
I'd shoot him 13 times, but not with a pellet gun.
sad what happened to the dog, has no excuse. but all that money spent flying him around would have taken care of a lot more dogs.
semp
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sad what happened to the dog, has no excuse. but all that money spent flying him around would have taken care of a lot more dogs.
semp
It's a volunteer thing, the pilots volunteer their services and plane. No money is being spent (besides the pilots buying gas)
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So... Do you think all of the added stress of flying the dog around helped in his healing?
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So... Do you think all of the added stress of flying the dog around helped in his healing?
No.
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I never did say the flying was going to speed up his healing, so I dont see your point.
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But you're all about healing the animal... And catching the horrible person that hurt him.. And you yourself have caused the dog further stress by flying him around...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN77b9DqEbc
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Or, perhaps, he was trying to do something humanitarian while others sit on the sidelines and do nothing.
Slug I'm with you on the protecting your kids front but attacking somebody for trying to do something positive in this world especially a young man is reprehensible at best. Chill dude.
Tup.. <S>
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Something positive would have been to pay the vet bill and adopt.
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*shakes head*
When you're perfect go ahead and throw stones. If you ARE perfect.... fix the economy. Then, perhaps, teenagers will be able to find jobs easily like I could when I was one.
Let us all know when you reach perfection and will be working on that economy thing. Now shoo along and get to work..
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sluggish why don't you make an account http://pilotsnpaws.org/forum/ there and go tell everyone (and the people they have helped) how they are doing a bad thing.
You won't.
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But you're all about healing the animal... And catching the horrible person that hurt him.. And you yourself have caused the dog further stress by flying him around...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN77b9DqEbc
Where did I say I was going to do 0 G? The pilot that did that to that dog was moronic. This dog is going to be in a crate in the backseat of my plane. It's alot less stressful than getting thrown in the cargo hold of a jet (the alternative)
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The question of animal abuse is a charged one, and can lead to some very strong comments. For instance, one user wanted to shoot the perpetrator of the pellet gun crime thirteen times with what can be assumed to be a real firearm. The idea of killing a human for abusing a human or an animal is absurd- do we see wife-beaters getting the firing squad? No.
However, the paralell between pets and livestock does ring true. Dogs are a common foodstuff in certain parts of Asia (and possibly other places as well); there is no sense in denying it. However, even livestock raised for meat should be killed quickly and as painlessly as possible. Leaving a dog that has lived its entire life in safety is anything but a quick or painless death. In addition, the death of the dog will provide no meat, nor any other useful product, perhaps besides pleasure for the former owner if they were sadists.
In conclusion, killing or torturing people for abusing pets is an unethical means to an otherwise noble end. If anything, they should (depending on their mental state) perform community service in the form of working at an animal shelter. This could allow them to realize that animals do in fact suffer if abused. For animals that grow only for their meat or hide, death should be quick, as opposed to the slow and agonizing death of life on the street without preparation. Animal cruelty can elicit powerful feelings, but reason and logic should be our guiding light, not the violent fury of rage.
-Penguin
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It's a volunteer thing, the pilots volunteer their services and plane. No money is being spent (besides the pilots buying gas)
it's a lot of money to buy that gas. 1/2 of the money donated would have saved a lot more dogs. just my opinion.
semp
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it's a lot of money to buy that gas. 1/2 of the money donated would have saved a lot more dogs. just my opinion.
semp
How do you know that the money donated wouldn't go towards
the methods used to put those pups down?
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So... Do you think all of the added stress of flying the dog around helped in his healing?
Why do you think the dog was stressed by flying? Mine used to sit by the all plexiglass door and watch the scenery go by -- far from stressed.
Just cuz you're afraid of flying doesn't mean the dog is. :D
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Yup. People need to take responsibility for their animals and keep them on their own property.
I have a couple dogs. My female used to occasionally get out and run around.
Thing is. If I forget to lock my sliding glass door, she knows how to open the door and would jump the fence that was put up specifically to keep the dogs in the yard.
We didnt know this was going on at first. We would come home and yell at each other for forgetting to close the back door. Not because the dogs could get because hey. We had a the yard fenced in and the dogs were always home when we got there. Then one day someone was doing something in the yard next door that got her all excited. We watched in disbelief as she grabbed at the door and pulled it open and ran outside.
Ok. so now we know who was leaving the door open.
Couple days later. My wife is talking with one of the neighbors who then told us what we didnt know.
Every day after I left for work. She would see our female jump the fence and run around the neighborhood. She also wouldnt come when called either. but about 20 min before my wife would get home. she would jump back over the fence and into our yard again.
Why she didnt tell us sooner I dont know. But about a month later I get a phone call from one of our township police officers letting me know he had caught the dog and put her back in the yard.. I thank him ans ask him if he happend to attach her to the leash we decided to leave tied to the fence by the gate. Jusst in case we forgot to lock the dooor and the neighbor caught her. He said no. So I tell him she's probably going get out again.
About an hour after that I get another call from my vet. someone else has called saying they now spotted the dog running around, had her. but in writing the ID number down from the Vet tag we had on her she got away and he could catch her. Fortunately at this point I was on my way home.
I get home and there she is. Laying on the couch as if nothing happend and she was there all day.
Point is. The owner may not even know they were out or getting out.
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I'm not going to take my chances with a possibly rabid dog. People need to learn how to keep their animals in their yard. My neighbors have two pit bulls that they can't seem to keep on a chain. The last time they were in my yard, they were warned, through animal control, that I have a shot gun and am not afraid to use it. I have young children and I will not be threatened by a stray animal and I'm tired of picking up trash.
The funny thing is.. They suddenly figured out how to work a dog chain.
Rabies worry for dogs is a completely BS argument born largely of ignorance rather then fact.
There are more than 72 million pet dogs in the U.S. and nearly 82 million pet cats.
http://www.avma.org/reference/marketstats/sourcebook.asp
Of those numbers in the US in 2009 there have only been 81 confirmed cases of rabies among dogs
In comparison to 300 cases in cats in the same year.
Thats according to the CDC
http://www.cdc.gov/features/dsrabies/
(http://www.cdc.gov/features/dsrabies/dsRabies_270px.jpg)
The chances of a dog on your property having rabies is minute at best.
With your kind of paranoia. Your better off shooting every other animal you see on your property then you are dogs. Because literally you stand a greater chance of encountering a rabid animal from just about any other kind of animal then you are from a dog.
Your logic other then in the case of the rare occasional aggressive dog, is complete BS. especially so if in the case you know the dog is owned and know who the owner is.
If your that paranoid then put up a damn fence. Course it wont save you from the animals that actually do produce a threat but what the hey.
Statistically speaking. Your kids are more likely to be hit by a car then to encounter a rabid dog. You shoot at cars too?
Or just send them out covered in bubble wrap and a helmet?
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Rabies worry for dogs is a completely BS argument born largely of ignorance rather then fact.
There are more than 72 million pet dogs in the U.S. and nearly 82 million pet cats.
http://www.avma.org/reference/marketstats/sourcebook.asp
Of those numbers in the US in 2009 there have only been 81 confirmed cases of rabies among dogs
In comparison to 300 cases in cats in the same year.
Thats according to the CDC
http://www.cdc.gov/features/dsrabies/
(http://www.cdc.gov/features/dsrabies/dsRabies_270px.jpg)
The chances of a dog on your property having rabies is minute at best.
With your kind of paranoia. Your better off shooting every other animal you see on your property then you are dogs. Because literally you stand a greater chance of encountering a rabid animal from just about any other kind of animal then you are from a dog.
Your logic other then in the case of the rare occasional aggressive dog, is complete BS. especially so if in the case you know the dog is owned and know who the owner is.
If your that paranoid then put up a damn fence. Course it wont save you from the animals that actually do produce a threat but what the hey.
You need to do a better job keeping your animals on your property. If you aren't up to the challenge then you should consider getting rid of them. You never know when someone like me might move into the neighborhood..
I live in a very rural area. My neighbor has 10 acres... I have 5 acres... My yard (the part that I mow and maintain) is quite small. Why his dog felt it necessary to defecate in my little patch of grass is an unknown. I convinced him to fix the problem by convincing him that I would fix the problem.
No problem
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Really? You value the life of an animal, ANY animal, above that of a human (ANY human)?
That's sick. Really sick. You ought to examine what you really think about some things before you go spouting off stuff like this.
Besides animal game, sure i'm an animal lover, mainly dogs and cats
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And we have another reason not to just dump dogs. Some bonehead with a deep rooted desire to kill anything with his most manly of guns might decided to use them for target practice.
The best do I ever owned was a stray, my current dog is a rescue dog, good thing they weren't wandering around some peoples property. *eyeroll*
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Yup... My dog is a saint Bernard that we got from a rescue. My five acres is plenty of room for her. Whenever we take her off our property she's on a leash. I've never had any problem keeping her off other people's property...
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You need to do a better job keeping your animals on your property. If you aren't up to the challenge then you should consider getting rid of them. You never know when someone like me might move into the neighborhood..
I live in a very rural area. My neighbor has 10 acres... I have 5 acres... My yard (the part that I mow and maintain) is quite small. Why his dog felt it necessary to defecate in my little patch of grass is an unknown. I convinced him to fix the problem by convincing him that I would fix the problem.
No problem
I did. I put up a bigger fence. In spite of the fact that I now have a fence that goes against the local code.
But fact of the matter is. I dont know of anyone whos' dog hasnt gotten out occasionally. Dogs do occasionally get out despite the owners best efforts such as in the case last week someone that was visiting us neglected to close the fence gate after he picked up what he needed and left. We let the dogs out the next morning not knowing the gate was open and my female wandered around. Fortunately everyone knows her to be the sweetheart she is. More likely to go belly up on the ground, or run away if you approach her then anything else.
And thats a thing too. If you know where the dog belongs. Im not buying into the rabies paranoia. And in most cases people know where stray dogs belong in their area. I know where just about every dog in a 2 mile radius of my house belongs. Or the general area it belongs.
I can buy your logic if its an aggressive dog. Some admittedly are. But most dogs. Even pit/ pit mixes arent unless you pose a threat to them first.
I could even buy it but to a lessor extent if its a completely strange dog. Particularly if it looked as if it hadnt been cared for.
But even those are more then likely just lost and want nothing more then the same thing you do. To be off your property and to be home.
So in the end it should be the very unusual and rare case where you should feel the need to shoot a dog. Any dog. just for being on your property. Dogs like other animals dont recognize property lines. Nor do they know not to poop on your lawn. Far as most dogs know. The lawn is where they are supposed to be going instead of the carpet. Often they choose a specific place to defecate because either to mark territory. Or because other dogs go there.
Racoons and Skunks are the greatest threat of carrying rabies. How often do you shoot either?
Probably not nearly the amount that you actually see or are in your area.
So to shoot a dog just cause it went poopy on your grass is asinine and downright unneighborly.
You or someone like you wouldnt want to move near me.. I dont respond well to threats or intimidation. They tend to only tick me off rather then get the results they intend.
I can be the most agreeable person in the world if approached in a civil and reasonable manner.
You come to me and let me know that my dog has been wandering over to your property and and I'll apologize, let you know that she does occasionally get out. And if or when she does just give me a call and i'll come get her. I'll even pick up that poopy on your lawn.
But
Threaten me or threaten to shoot something of mine and there is a better then average chance our encounter will not end peacefully.
Actually shooting something of mine would get you even far far far worse results.
But around here threatening someone with the use of a fire arm is the same as actually pointing one at him.
So that really shouldnt be an issue.
In fairness. Dogs used to be a major concern for rabies. and its on that bases that there is still alot of ignorance going on. Fact of the matter is It is no longer the large threat it used to be. In fact its extremely rare anymore that a dog actually has rabies.
Cats are a far greater threat because people are less likely to bring them to the vet regularly. But Ferrels even moreso
. Thing is. cats in general are often so clean that you cant tell one form the other most of the time.
Course there are also those folks who just have to be that root'n toot'n redneck that just have to be like that because they can. They just use rabies as an excuse to justify their attitude.
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Yup... My dog is a saint Bernard that we got from a rescue. My five acres is plenty of room for her. Whenever we take her off our property she's on a leash. I've never had any problem keeping her off other people's property...
And this might explain why that dog/s are choosing your lawn specifically to leave their calling cards. LOL